The only time I had to bug out was to escape a flood caused by hurricane Ian. My 9 year old son and I started out on foot, but soon met a man with a canoe that let us borrow it. I got my son to safety (my wife was waiting on high ground with a vehicle) and returned to get my mother. We evac'd her and then some neighbors and I used that canoe to get other people in the neighborhood out. As the light was failing I made it back to our house and used the canoe to get clothes and some basic supplies out. My take away from the experience is that the most important thing to have is people skills (all of the people in the neighborhood working together to evac others) and an open mind. I was constantly looking for ways to improve my situation and it helped immensely. One thing that did not work was my communications plan. Cell phones were intermittent due to the storm, I was lucky to be able to contact my wife, who was working at an emergency shelter to arrange a pick up for us. I had a number of FRS radios in my disaster preps and I handed them out to various people with boats to try and get some coordination of our efforts. Unfortunately no one knew how to use the radios and they became more of a liability then a help. I also needed to plan better to take care of myself while helping others. I ended the day hypothermic, dehydrated, and hungry. I was also exhausted and had major muscle soreness from wading through the flood waters (high winds meant we could not paddle the canoe, the men had to walk and pull it along so kids, women and the elderly could ride) the made it almost impossible to walk. Definitely opened my eyes and helped me change a lot of plans and existing preps.
Laminate some simple instructions and communication protocols, tape them to the radios 👍 Do the same for any machines that have a startup sequence like generators, when people are tired they lose most of their ability to think logically
I prefer a simpler bike like a KLR650 or a KLX250. They are not the dirt bike the KTM690 is but they are easier to fix. Parts are readily available and they get great MPG.
@@connorrichardson1470 I love my drz400s but it doesn't get good enough mpg. Klr650 with fuel injection is gonna be great. I imagine a klx300 or crf300l would be good also. However, carbs are easy to fix so there is a tradeoff there.
@@connorrichardson1470 that's my rig! I put hard mounts on it for my waterproof saddle bags. Also added heavier springs, front and rear for the added weight.
It is very interesting about the locations mentioned here. I live/ work in the Bay Area / Peninsula and 5 months ago I bought a KLR 650, not thinking too much about bugging out, only now realizing it wasn't too bad of a purchase, dual purpose. In an emergency I can leave to my ranch in the Sierra Foothills about 3 hours away. Also, I can load it in my truck if needed for extended range if necessary. Thanks so much for this video!!!
Kawasaki KLR 650, my new fuel injected gen 3 is doing a little over 200 miles on a tank. Great bike with a good track record. Brand spanking new for under 10k!
Another thing to consider about a bike is a scouting vehicle for the main rig or rigs. I can/plan to use my bike as a way to check out conditions of the route we will be taking to our bug out location. I can get through broken freeways/highways/cities/towns easier on my bike then with a large rig if I’m bugging in or out.
motorcycles are loud Road Warriors can locate you pretty easy based on the sound. Horses would be the better bet ( I know I know many many people are not set up to take care of horses)
i will say as a note on the backpack, when it comes to longer trips, the more weight you can put on the bike itself, instead of sitting on your back, the better off you'll be. cant tell you how many times i loaded up for a range day, and didnt have saddlebags, got there, had to rest to get the weight off my back, did my range day, had to pack up and go back home, and be utterly exhausted. if people wind up going that route, invest in saddlebags, dont just throw everything in a giant rucksack and call it good, your back will thank you later.
Not going to pretend to be an expert but I wanted to add some food for thought on the cache concept. If you live in a larger city people may want to consider a bike to get outside the city and then swap vehicles to go from there. I imagine just have a rifle, handgun, food, and other basic necessities that can fit into a backpack would be enough. Trying to navigate a larger vehicle during a bug out or SHTF scenario just doesn't seem logical, in my opinion. I understand that everyone's needs and philosophies are different though.
for the bay area i think a boat would be best, although getting to the boat might be a challenge, living on boat is very doable. a water Filtration system, solar panels and it would be like a vacation. a small bike can be loaded into a boat for movement on land and you can fish for food. although it's an expensive option I'd like to see boats featured as a possible bug out option.
For a years I was a truck driver for pro motocross. I was allowed to keep a motorcycle on the rig to get around once I got to the race. The secondary purpose was to get home should there be a SHTF episode. Although they have limitations, they certainly get through grid lock traffic better than a Semi.
MY dr650 has been so good for gridlock, i had a commute and on the way home there was one section of the freeway that went to a standstill at least a couple times a week. It was so nice to just push through and get out of there.
Of the 7 motorcycles I currently own, I would use my Royal Enfield Himalayan if I needed to evacuate from my neighbourhood to a more remote location. Economic and will go cross country with luggage attached.
Saw he’s rig in the parking lot at bob wards then went in with a buddy getting the rest of whatever we needed for an elk hunt. Saw him in there shook his hand told him I liked his stuff. Super nice and no different then any other Montanan in the store. Good dude.
I have a Ford Ranger with a shell on 31" tires with a hitch carrier for my WR250R on the back, the WR has 3K mile oil change and 26K valve check intervals.
This channel does provide ideas and options for those who wish to be prepared. "Failure to plan is planning to fail" Everyone and every situation is different. Trying to leave LA. On the 15 on a Friday afternoon is bad enough, let there be a major problem and your not getting out by car or truck. A bike makes some sense in that situation. Head for the fire roads? Do you know them? Or head to the coast for a water extraction? You had better have a good plan with fallbacks and get out quick or your not getting out.
I learned how to bug out long time ago at a place good at it. The 121st EVAC at Yong San 8th army base in Seoul, Korea. As for 2 wheels my choice is a 1974 Yamaha XT500 enduro.
I decided to go with a royal enfield himalayan. not the fastest thing on the road but gets well over 200 miles on a tank and can handle most off road trails and still do 70+ on the highway. It's also super simple so not much to break and easy to work on if it breaks down. Even stock, it's pretty quiet as well. Plus it's hella cheap compared to other dual sports out there that can do all that
I'm getting ready to do a overland truck build around motorcycle capabilities. So the core of the bugout aspect is going to be bringing the bike with me in the truck. 2 perso system so the idea is to get to safety and utilize the motorcycle for scouting/ be able to split up and cover more ground at one time for rescue response or if bad enough drive the truck till fuel is out and can't be found then right off everything that won't fit on the bike and continue on the motorcycle for another 200+ miles.
Last I heard Marine Recon was using 250cc dirt bikes. I prefer a smaller frame / lighter weight bike like a 125 or 150. Try slogging a 250 over a massive log or rock after laying it down sometime and you'll want a LIGHT bike.
I have backpacked around Tahoe and have ridden my Triumph Tiger 800 XC from the Bay Area to San Diego along Highway 1 & 101 two up. I have taken my bike off road in Death Valley. I have also ridden two up from the Bay Area to Crater Lake in Oregon during fire season and back to the Bay Area. Things to consider: are you moving just yourself or your family? Do you have a pre-planned destination or supply points? What time of year do you want the capability to bug out? Where are you bugging out from and too? Under what conditions? All of these questions will dictate which vehicle is best and what gear you may need to carry with you. Having ridden two up in 100 degree CA summer heat, I quickly recognized that a motorcycle is not ideal! My bike generated a great deal of heat from the motor which cooked my leg and my body. We had to stop every hour to hydrate, cool off, purchase an ice cold water bottle and pour it onto our cooling vests which dried up in an hour. The heat was intense! My phone overheated in the direct sunlight so I had to cool it down and stow it in my tank bag and rely on audible cues for navigation. The basic rule of thumb for a motorcycle bug out is make it as light and efficient as possible. Ideally a dirt bike that sips fuel but still has the capacity to carry gear. A modified KLR or Suzuki DRZ 400 or 650 is a good budget option for this. If it’s two of you, take two bikes over one large one if you can help it. For gear, look for backpacking gear which is significantly lighter. You need a bike specific tool kit and make sure you have a destination in mind. Bugging out just to bug out is foolish., bugging in is far safer even if you have to fight off looters. A motorbike has numerous advantages over a four wheeled vehicle but it also comes with significant draw backs. During a major fire such as the one that occurred at night in Napa, CA, a bike is not likely to work for a family (people had to drive through flames). IMO, the best use of motorbikes is to use them as patrol or recon vehicles. If you are by yourself, yes a dirt bike or lighter dual sport with extra fuel can definitely help you get out of a place like San Francisco, but you still need a destination. Without a destination you will be a sitting duck and easy pickings for others.
I live in Europe, so I got a Tiger 1050 Sport (one of the most underated sport touring bikes ever made). Full OEM luggage system that can carry 30 Kg and has been test up to max speed (140 Mph). Got a lot of extras, lie 5.11 tactical pouches mounted tot he engine guards, Garmin GPS, heated grips, extended windscreen and more...
To end up on motorbikes you have to start your journey on motorbikes which may be a choice for some people. If you start out on a well packed 4x4 and have to abandon it, the next best option is by bicycle. It's not as macho as a motorbike but about 3x better than walking. Most bicycle tourists can maintain 50 miles per day carrying a heavy camping load. Why not try using bicycles as the "lifeboat" on your 4x4 " yatcht". It beats swimming!
As an r1200gs owner, I do agree that it is pretty heavy and tougher to do a lot of off road stuff on it compared to smaller bikes. It does all depend on skill level though. with enough practice on a big bike you can go almost everywhere a smaller one can. maybe a little slower but its possible. you can also carry much more fuel and water. rotopax mounted to the cases, etc. oh lets not forget that being on a bike at all lets you lane split to get out of an urban area.
I rode BMW R1200 and 1100 GS Adv bikes for 15 years. I’m 70 years old now, so I bought a lighter (100 + lbs) Husqvarna Norden 901 Norden. I like it much better (for me).
@Sneww As an example what can be done on an R1200 look up Jocelyn Snow and watch her in the GS Trophy competition. She’s a little over 5’1”, but does amazing things on the GS.
Great subject, I love my dualsport, I have it all set and utilize it for multiday travel. I will say it is more nimble, however it cannot go places my Four runner can on the extreme stuff. Carrying anything other than my edc handgun, can be a real issue on the bike, especially fully load for travel. I believe a bike is a great addition to my bugout plan, but I am not convinced it would be my go to for long term. Many third world countries seem to utilize them, they probably know something I don't.
The range on some of the adventure bikes isn't that great. I researched this topic a lot (as someone who isn't a moto master by any means). I like the idea of modifying a road bike to handle fields and dirt decently enough to be able to traverse them. My personal reality being in the Southeast, I'm not tackling steep terrain, so I feel confident in a road bike with knobby tires and upgraded suspension. In a bad situation I don't want to look for gas, 3 gallon tank isn't enough in my humble opinion. Feedback on this perspective welcome.
That’s an excellent observation. I have been a dual sport and street bike rider for years. I found that adding knobby tires to my light weight cruiser with saddlebags covers a lot of the bases here. Kawasaki Versys is a great bike for the “in between”. 👍🏻🤠
It’s for a specific purpose, you wouldn’t take a bolt action into a cqb situation. While I’m not educated enough on this topic to explain what that purpose is I would assume things like splitting lanes on backed up highways and small trail travel are some of them.
Most adv bike have more range then road bikes! Ive researched most to all of them in search of my adv bike, im on the Tenere 700 which has less then most but its one of the most reliable. No matter what you ride, you will need feul at some point. Im looking to get the Norden 901 this summer 🤙
I have a BMW310GS. IF i am keeping below about 55 mph, Im good for 65-70 mpg. Above that it drops off quickly. 3 1/2 gallons or so would get me a good distance on that if im not balls out. Suspension sucks though for serious offroad. Im not a small man at 236 and 6'. I can haul a passenger on the road very comfortably or a boat load of gear and as long as im below 75mph or so im good.
I can't get my wife to even sit on a bike much less ride one. I've spent the last year building a 1999 Suzuki DR 350 into a very capable dual sport/ultralight ADV bike, for me a great platform and very reliable with minimal maintenance and long service intervals. Having owned and ridden both 2 and 4 stroke bikes, for a bug out bike I'll stick to a 4 stroke. Don't have to worry about premix oil and honestly 2 strokes for a long stretch of road isn't the most comfortable ride. Back in late September I actually rode from my house down in SL valley up over guardsman's and down to fieldcraft survival in the Heber valley. I was hoping to run into you and check out your bike but missed you. It was still a great ride and a good visit to your store. Thanks for your content. Looking forward to future installments.
I will share this with you. In certain professions one should know how to drive a car, ride a motorcycle, operate a small boat, operate a small aircraft like a Cessna and even know how to ride a horse. You must know how to extract yourself from behind enemy lines.......
I suppose you are hinting that you are a soldier of some kind but how does that information relate to the topic at hand? Are you saying we should buy a bug-out Cessna?
Great video, I have a 2021 KLX 300 I modded out and it gives me peace of mind if there were ever some sort of civil unrest. Although, I do keep a few old school dirt bikes around in case we ever had an EMP. Those would start right up, whereas the newer bikes likely wouldn't.
@@meekdook4236 it’s speculative that “all electronics will fry” there’s no way to tell unless it happened and susceptibility is dependent on location of the blast. Old carbureted bikes may have a chance and can be bump started. Newer electronics would be highly susceptible to an EMP.
My preferred choice would be a 450 Honda Crf l dual sport. With 70/30 off-road and on road. Upgraded tank to hold 5 gallons with two roto packs on the back. 1 for gas 1 for water. Bags for the minimal other things. So cal you’ll want to be off road as most people will be on road
A bike would be a way to get out of the city, but unless you're on a goldwing, not a good way to bring things with. It's more like traveling on foot. Fuel range isn't great either. Would be good to have a place to go to, or at least supply caches. You'll just youself get shot going around trying to steal shit.
Diesel always beats out gas as you can run that type of engine on kerosene, motor oil, transmission fluid or even straight vegetable oil if you do not shut the engine down and keep the fuel nice and hot. And they do make small trailers for motorcycles and that would be a huge game changer. My 1972 F100 4X4 had three 18 gallon tanks for a minimum range of about 540 miles!
Nobody is just picking up a motorcycle and bugging out anywhere unless they have experience. Sure you can ride down a paved road (maybe), but if you attempt off-roading without experience you won’t make it very far. Not trying to discourage anyone and I’m sure there will be plenty of so called macho men that think they can handle it no problem. As an experienced rider, on and off-road I can offer a few suggestions. Excellent choices: - KTM 390, 690, 790 and 890 - BMW 310, 650, 750 and 800 - Kawasaki 650 KLR - Yamaha Tenere 700 - Husqvarna 901 Any of these bikes are capable of carrying quite a bit of luggage as well as a passenger. The 310 and 390 dont have a lot of power but are still very capable. These bikes are also very nimble around town. Inexperienced riders will not have any luck off-road, as with anything you will need to practice.
Yamaha XT 250 is the most reliable pack mule you can get in a bike ( do not waste a bunch of money modifying it up they are perfect from the factory) Myself I have a XT 350 I carry 4 gallons of fuel have a range of 200+ miles. I have luggage racks front and back and I wear a back pack. Biggest survival tool I have is no wife and kids slowing me down.
Don't forget your wet wipes. I've got a BMW F800GSA outfitted, great bike good split between the two for me as a 6ft4 dude. Just make sure you remove the kickstand switch on the BMW,s as they will leave you stranded if you break it while out in the bush.
They are more expensive but even just a single Side-by-Side would be a fantastic addition to a crew that is utilizing bikes. Have one SxS with the tool/gear space in the back as well as room for 1 or more passengers. Would not be as nimble or good for scouting as bikes but definitely nimble enough to be a fantastic logistics tool. Haul extra gear and provide a work horse around your encampment. Haul extra fuel, parts, medical gear, food, and even transport non-ambulatory individuals in the event you rescue someone as well as transport and recover bikes that are broke down. You can find nice used ones for pretty good prices, especially the Kawasaki Mules. Probably would only want one or two SxS's in a crew because they would be a little more difficult to get into some areas but if the driver/owner is use to trail cutting then it will go anywhere a bike will. I use to cut my own trails on private property and a SxS with a decent brush guard in 4LO will bulldoze anything short of a literal tree.
I have myself a busted up early 2000s DR200 and that’s what I’m learning to ride on! Would love a 1998 DR350se but finances don’t allow that at the moment!
For those of us who cannot afford expensive vehicles, trailers, etc. I agree that motorcycles could be a viable means of transportation. I don't own a motorcycle, but am a bikepacker (bicycle) and regularly go camping with it. And for winter or longer trips, I have a trailer to hold my extra gear. No, a bicycle doesn't have the speed of a motorized vehicle, but it is quiet. My plan is to leave in my Ram 2500 power wagon WITH my bike as a second means of transportation.
service intervals are something to take into account. dirt bike leaning duel sports are gonna need maintenance often. been tinkering with the idea of puting a suron ebike with a solar set up on the overlander. great scouting vehicle with no maintenance.
People need to remember that the whole idea of "bugging out" is just for going from point A to point B. With that point B having supplies for lasting much longer. People are under the idea they can take a bike of even a truck and live off of it for an extremely long time when that's just not realistic.
My KTM 640 I think is a great BOV. After modifying it out for power I think I need to modify it for fuel savings. It has the thumper power while being agile like a dirt bike. Anything bigger is a street bike with knobby tires and heavy AF.
well, reading the comments, it really matters where you are when shtf. i live in Florida. don't like sea going vessels. so to bug out on my 500cc bike, i can carry all of my moto camping gear, housing(tent, bag, cook set, edc, back pack for emergency food, extra ammo,) the national forest would probably be the best place to huddle down, but with the amount of people, it might get crowded, dangerous, bugging out will be more than just getting out of a city. AND, if you don't get away in the first couple of days, your escape will be even more difficult. a lot to consider, and PLAN for.
Ever since B. Scouts tent camping was/is nothing new to me. What I find so funny, that suddenly this is some sort of new discovery. I've used mbikes for means of trans for fun, school and work, when I couldn't afford a car/truck. I guess now the lingo or proper wording is adventure riding... I just call it camping on my dual sport, something I did back in my party days pretty much every drunkn weekend. Wakin up wrecked getting a fire ready pulling out my tin to make a coffee seemed to be the life of the reason for going in the first place with out a tent or tarp to sleep under...just a poncho in case it did get rainy.. Now, I do pac light weight stuff on the bike and head up trail-less destinations away from anyone that I would hope to be surprised to see me there, much more over, with an Mbike too....rock on
Great discussion. my BMW310GS would get me most places and is thrifty on fuel, my plated GasGas 2T 200 would get me anywhere, not necessarily in comfort though, but its two different rides....Dont want to have to mix fuel on the run though..... and then there is always the option of throwing either or both of them on the back of the jeep and use them as needed or drop and run if it gets really bad....
I would get out now if I was worried about getting out we left California 30 years ago very good decision. A bicycle to the boat makes sense to me and up the delta lot’s of places to hide unless Shasta springs a leek
Nice hypothetical for sure 👌 most have dedicated their efforts and resources to become proficient at making other people money instead of developing the skills and knowledge and experience to truly be self sufficient (including the ability to repair/rebuild catastrophic failures/major damage onsite) which limits your ability to stay out and away.
A vehicle that has no chips, and a carburetor is ideal. EMP is more devastating than any weapon. Fuel injected vehicle has the capacity to be compromised. Needing fuel tanks and ready to purchase gasoline on the fly, or have a rotation of tanks with your everyday vehicle with fuel stabilizer is a juggling task to truly be prepared at the drop of a hat.
I've done thousands of kilometers adventure biking and overlanding in Africa. I am also ex military and would like to think that I'm reasonably sensible and forward thinking about SHTF situations. In my humble opinion motorcycles are not good mobility choices for bugging out. Why? 1. You need to have above average skill and/or experience, or you're going to get yourself killed or seriously injured off-road. Even on a graded gravel road. Ask me, I've seen it happen numerous times. 2 . Vulnerability to the elements. 3. Lack of fuel range. 4. Lack of packing space. 5. Mechanical maintenance. Can you fix a puncture on your bike? Because it's not a question of if, but when. And don't forget the chain lube. 6. It's only for Lone Wolves. But to survive you need a pack. My truck permanently has recovery gear, med kit, extra diesel, basic tools, emergency food, water, and a few other goodies in it. It can carry people, fuel, extra food, camping gear and some pew-pew stuff if the situation calls for it. My gear is also all stored in-board, in the truck bed under a lockable cover, away from prying eyes. Africa teaches you about the risk of your stuff getting stolen. So no Rotopax prancing outside begging to be liberated in a societal breakdown. For fun, you can do the Tunduma border crossing between Tanzania and Zambia and count the seconds before your Rotopax are gone. That's why canopies like that of Alucab, or tops as they call them here in the US, are so valuable; they provide security against unsavory opportunists. This is not a bitching session though. I love Fieldcraft survival's work, have done training with Matt V and Kevin O, and visited the HQ at Heber City in December. Pity you only had orange tourniquets when I was there! PS: I was part of Team South Africa as their media member during the 2010 International BMW GS Trophy adventure bike competion.
When I was a teenager 15-20 years ago I lived in the outskirts of the Seattle Olympia megalopolis I worked framing and we used to always talk about that when we where stuck in gridlock that a dual sport bike (that’s what we rode on the weekends) would be the best option to have transportation in an emergency kinda a get home rig if we had volcano flood panic etc we of course couldn’t do it cause we had tool and dump etc trailers we where always towing so we always said that guys that work in an office it would be perfect but now I live in idaho and to get anywhere it’s 50 miles just to the next town and my bike I can go further than 250 miles but not much further so if I need to leave an area along with everyone else it may not be enough and yes bikes don’t use much fuel but they are really hard to Cary more fuel. I can build a Honda Accord to go 1000 miles or a jeep type rig etc so I think the bike really shines as a daily get home rig but if you need to evacuate a region it may not have enough fuel transport.
For carrying firearms on a bike, I'd have to go on body all the time. My area is probably more permissive that a San Fran man, so with civil unrest if I'm heading away from a city with an AR on my back and a glock on my side I don't think anyone is going to have any problems except to stay out of my way those first couple days of getting away from the troubled areas. Later on if the crisis persists just carrying a big stick around probably won't deter needy folks, but I think for initial bugout on any kind of bike it's got to be on body open carry if permissible, but even in impermissible areas in a crisis I don't think LEOs would be that much of a problem with them being overwhelmed
Open carry just leaves you at a tactical disadvantage and makes you a target for others in a small group with weapons. You can always pull a weapon if you need to show force if you have to but it's better to not let them know your capabilities until you're forced. Best plan is to be as gray as possible until you have no other choice, if your situation allows you to do that
I currently have a 22 crf 450rl. I didn’t get it for overlanding, enduro, bug out or anything like that, but now I’m building it for that. But it’s got no kickstart and too many things to break, I really want to get an early 90s dr350.
If I'm not taking my jeep, I'm on my BMW f800gs with its camel tank. About a 300+ miles range with that one. But... Good luck convincing my wife that we're going anywhere other than a hotel or air-b&b. 🙄
Luckily… I’m a prep-per and have money. We built our home in a remote area with a fallout shelter under our home. However we do have motorcycles and trucks that we can use if we have to bug out. Even my kids know how to ride.
NO KTM I think the best all round bike would be dual sport 4 cycle thumper. KTM 650 is 100 lbs heavier than my DR650, plus the DR has a tad more HP. Must important part is less electronics to break. Easy enough to carry spares for the DR, except for the battery. No farkels, it is just something else to break. I have a DR, though sorta hard about picking between a TW200 and DR650. Maybe get another TW200 and really compare them in some way.
never tell people in a city to bug out to the "hills". I live in them ther hills. there is no place for any bug-outers to go up here. privet land = getting shot. public land = dieing. want to live in my back yard. you better have lots of what I want. go above 3K feet and you will die after the first frost. if you can even live that long. food and water are hard to find. add in a bunch of city folk and all the game just moves away fast. there are no sources of food, shelter, etc. city folk just die, cause they do not know how to live off the land. and if they try to take anything they will get shot. and all of the roads will be blocked. very easy to fell a mile worth of trees onto the roads.
Love this. ive built a cj7 for my bugout rig. 1 ton chevy basically. h1s. ect. ive been thinking a bike to use as a rig to get supplys ect. in a shft environment.
when you bugout, you want a gas sipping bike that can carry a load. It does not have to climb widow maker hills or cross raging rivers. When the explorers crossed America, they did not look for the hardest terrain to travel. They crossed the easiest spot they could find.
I travel by bike exclusively, been doing ADV for decades. Getting into ADV can be quite expensive and takes a lot of time and experience to become proficient and efficient. My current bike is KTM 690 Enduro R. Highly capable and highly modified. Stock range is 150-175 miles. With my mods, 5 gal of fuel, it's up to 275-300. But that comes at a fairly high cost. Base cost $12.5k, fuel mods $600, bags, $1k ++, camping gear $1k, coms $500, riding gear $2k ++, sat nav $500. That's just a start and to be honest the 690 is far from a beginner bike. Going big CC is probably the biggest mistake new riders make. For bug out smaller is way better. Great beginner and capable bikes: Yamaha XT 250, Kawasaki Kx 250, 300. Honda CRF 250-300 is ok but suspension sucks!
I question as to what effect an EMP will have on the newer bikes? EMP may be a thing, may not, but if the bike won’t run after one, it’s not much good to me.
A mc can go around almost any traffic jam. If solo it can’t be beat to speed and getting over obstacles. Pistol in hill people gear chest pouch. 500-700 cc ideal imo
The KTM 690 Enduro is a fine bike for that. But due to my size, I’ve got a Husqvarna Norden 901. It’s basically the same platform as the KTM Adventure.
A bike is an auxiliary vehicle for a truck or suv. It’s a scout vehicle, or use it as a mule for a fob. The limited range, lack of cargo/passenger carrying ability, security, not to mention if you’re injured or even just sick it makes for a worse time than driving. A truck can bring the materials and manpower to build a fob, can act as a mobile command center with coms/power, can move debris from disaster, haul materials to build or rebuild. Bugging out on a bike, leaving my family, friends, and dog? I’ll pass. If I’m forced to leave it’ll be in my truck with the tools to rebuild a life worth living with the people worth living it with. Situational dependent, with a Honda trail on the hitch
About as stupid as hoarding food in a bunker instead of raising your own sustainable source of food, packanimals and animal drawn wagons are the only real longterm bugout vehicles.
I would think that a dual sport set up for dual fueling (gasoline/liquid petroleum - liquified natural gas) would be a good thing. I know that many ICE vehicles have been converted to dual fuel options. Also, I have seen canisters of LP gas for sale in grocery stores, hardware stores, even 7/11 convenience stores. Not sure if the prices have risen commensurate with gas and diesel... Bye the way, the CB 500X has a one tank range of about 300 miles.
I think what you meant was compressed natural gas as liquified natural gas has to be cooled. Propane is an easier option because because of how common propane is. You can also fill 1 pound propane bottle from larger propane tanks.
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The only time I had to bug out was to escape a flood caused by hurricane Ian. My 9 year old son and I started out on foot, but soon met a man with a canoe that let us borrow it. I got my son to safety (my wife was waiting on high ground with a vehicle) and returned to get my mother. We evac'd her and then some neighbors and I used that canoe to get other people in the neighborhood out. As the light was failing I made it back to our house and used the canoe to get clothes and some basic supplies out.
My take away from the experience is that the most important thing to have is people skills (all of the people in the neighborhood working together to evac others) and an open mind. I was constantly looking for ways to improve my situation and it helped immensely.
One thing that did not work was my communications plan. Cell phones were intermittent due to the storm, I was lucky to be able to contact my wife, who was working at an emergency shelter to arrange a pick up for us. I had a number of FRS radios in my disaster preps and I handed them out to various people with boats to try and get some coordination of our efforts. Unfortunately no one knew how to use the radios and they became more of a liability then a help. I also needed to plan better to take care of myself while helping others. I ended the day hypothermic, dehydrated, and hungry. I was also exhausted and had major muscle soreness from wading through the flood waters (high winds meant we could not paddle the canoe, the men had to walk and pull it along so kids, women and the elderly could ride) the made it almost impossible to walk.
Definitely opened my eyes and helped me change a lot of plans and existing preps.
Laminate some simple instructions and communication protocols, tape them to the radios 👍 Do the same for any machines that have a startup sequence like generators, when people are tired they lose most of their ability to think logically
I was down there back in December, the damage that was still present was pretty bad. The terrain left zero options for safety. Well done Sir.
I prefer a simpler bike like a KLR650 or a KLX250. They are not the dirt bike the KTM690 is but they are easier to fix. Parts are readily available and they get great MPG.
KLR650 is a bad ass survival bike.
Drz400 with an oversized fuel tank would be my go-to
@@connorrichardson1470 I love my drz400s but it doesn't get good enough mpg. Klr650 with fuel injection is gonna be great. I imagine a klx300 or crf300l would be good also. However, carbs are easy to fix so there is a tradeoff there.
Pre 1990 xt350 ..runs with out battery, kick start only. Simple stupid. Carbed. Rackem with panniers.
@@connorrichardson1470 that's my rig! I put hard mounts on it for my waterproof saddle bags. Also added heavier springs, front and rear for the added weight.
It is very interesting about the locations mentioned here. I live/ work in the Bay Area / Peninsula and 5 months ago I bought a KLR 650, not thinking too much about bugging out, only now realizing it wasn't too bad of a purchase, dual purpose. In an emergency I can leave to my ranch in the Sierra Foothills about 3 hours away. Also, I can load it in my truck if needed for extended range if necessary. Thanks so much for this video!!!
Love my ’22 klr.
Kawasaki KLR 650, my new fuel injected gen 3 is doing a little over 200 miles on a tank. Great bike with a good track record. Brand spanking new for under 10k!
Me too. You’ll actually probably get 250 miles minimum before you’re completely empty. 270-280 likely.
@@ko4gpa I get far better on my Gen 1 KLR
Another thing to consider about a bike is a scouting vehicle for the main rig or rigs. I can/plan to use my bike as a way to check out conditions of the route we will be taking to our bug out location. I can get through broken freeways/highways/cities/towns easier on my bike then with a large rig if I’m bugging in or out.
motorcycles are loud Road Warriors can locate you pretty easy based on the sound. Horses would be the better bet ( I know I know many many people are not set up to take care of horses)
i will say as a note on the backpack, when it comes to longer trips, the more weight you can put on the bike itself, instead of sitting on your back, the better off you'll be. cant tell you how many times i loaded up for a range day, and didnt have saddlebags, got there, had to rest to get the weight off my back, did my range day, had to pack up and go back home, and be utterly exhausted. if people wind up going that route, invest in saddlebags, dont just throw everything in a giant rucksack and call it good, your back will thank you later.
Not going to pretend to be an expert but I wanted to add some food for thought on the cache concept. If you live in a larger city people may want to consider a bike to get outside the city and then swap vehicles to go from there. I imagine just have a rifle, handgun, food, and other basic necessities that can fit into a backpack would be enough. Trying to navigate a larger vehicle during a bug out or SHTF scenario just doesn't seem logical, in my opinion. I understand that everyone's needs and philosophies are different though.
Good idea - if you have the means to leave a fully prepped vehicle on permanent standby in a secure location 50 miles from where you live...
@@Ijusthopeitsquick you've got me there and I'd be willing to wager not many do. The point was to use a bike to get out of the city you're in.
for the bay area i think a boat would be best, although getting to the boat might be a challenge, living on boat is very doable. a water Filtration system, solar panels and it would be like a vacation. a small bike can be loaded into a boat for movement on land and you can fish for food. although it's an expensive option I'd like to see boats featured as a possible bug out option.
That makes sense.
Sailboat. Any seafaring sailboat is designed pretty much for just that.
For a years I was a truck driver for pro motocross. I was allowed to keep a motorcycle on the rig to get around once I got to the race. The secondary purpose was to get home should there be a SHTF episode. Although they have limitations, they certainly get through grid lock traffic better than a Semi.
MY dr650 has been so good for gridlock, i had a commute and on the way home there was one section of the freeway that went to a standstill at least a couple times a week. It was so nice to just push through and get out of there.
Of the 7 motorcycles I currently own, I would use my Royal Enfield Himalayan if I needed to evacuate from my neighbourhood to a more remote location. Economic and will go cross country with luggage attached.
Saw he’s rig in the parking lot at bob wards then went in with a buddy getting the rest of whatever we needed for an elk hunt. Saw him in there shook his hand told him I liked his stuff. Super nice and no different then any other Montanan in the store. Good dude.
Nice to see the go to bug out camper was a Patriot Camper. It’s the best there is in the world. Made in Australia for Australian conditions
The best roads to use during a mass evacuation are utility right of ways so keep a master key in your bugout rig
I have a Ford Ranger with a shell on 31" tires with a hitch carrier for my WR250R on the back, the WR has 3K mile oil change and 26K valve check intervals.
This channel does provide ideas and options for those who wish to be prepared.
"Failure to plan is planning to fail"
Everyone and every situation is different.
Trying to leave LA. On the 15 on a Friday afternoon is bad enough, let there be a major problem and your not getting out by car or truck.
A bike makes some sense in that situation. Head for the fire roads? Do you know them? Or head to the coast for a water extraction?
You had better have a good plan with fallbacks and get out quick or your not getting out.
I learned how to bug out long time ago at a place good at it. The 121st EVAC at Yong San 8th army base in Seoul, Korea. As for 2 wheels my choice is a 1974 Yamaha XT500 enduro.
I decided to go with a royal enfield himalayan. not the fastest thing on the road but gets well over 200 miles on a tank and can handle most off road trails and still do 70+ on the highway. It's also super simple so not much to break and easy to work on if it breaks down. Even stock, it's pretty quiet as well. Plus it's hella cheap compared to other dual sports out there that can do all that
I'm getting ready to do a overland truck build around motorcycle capabilities. So the core of the bugout aspect is going to be bringing the bike with me in the truck. 2 perso system so the idea is to get to safety and utilize the motorcycle for scouting/ be able to split up and cover more ground at one time for rescue response or if bad enough drive the truck till fuel is out and can't be found then right off everything that won't fit on the bike and continue on the motorcycle for another 200+ miles.
Last I heard Marine Recon was using 250cc dirt bikes. I prefer a smaller frame / lighter weight bike like a 125 or 150. Try slogging a 250 over a massive log or rock after laying it down sometime and you'll want a LIGHT bike.
I have backpacked around Tahoe and have ridden my Triumph Tiger 800 XC from the Bay Area to San Diego along Highway 1 & 101 two up. I have taken my bike off road in Death Valley. I have also ridden two up from the Bay Area to Crater Lake in Oregon during fire season and back to the Bay Area. Things to consider: are you moving just yourself or your family? Do you have a pre-planned destination or supply points? What time of year do you want the capability to bug out? Where are you bugging out from and too? Under what conditions? All of these questions will dictate which vehicle is best and what gear you may need to carry with you. Having ridden two up in 100 degree CA summer heat, I quickly recognized that a motorcycle is not ideal! My bike generated a great deal of heat from the motor which cooked my leg and my body. We had to stop every hour to hydrate, cool off, purchase an ice cold water bottle and pour it onto our cooling vests which dried up in an hour. The heat was intense! My phone overheated in the direct sunlight so I had to cool it down and stow it in my tank bag and rely on audible cues for navigation. The basic rule of thumb for a motorcycle bug out is make it as light and efficient as possible. Ideally a dirt bike that sips fuel but still has the capacity to carry gear. A modified KLR or Suzuki DRZ 400 or 650 is a good budget option for this. If it’s two of you, take two bikes over one large one if you can help it. For gear, look for backpacking gear which is significantly lighter. You need a bike specific tool kit and make sure you have a destination in mind. Bugging out just to bug out is foolish., bugging in is far safer even if you have to fight off looters. A motorbike has numerous advantages over a four wheeled vehicle but it also comes with significant draw backs. During a major fire such as the one that occurred at night in Napa, CA, a bike is not likely to work for a family (people had to drive through flames). IMO, the best use of motorbikes is to use them as patrol or recon vehicles. If you are by yourself, yes a dirt bike or lighter dual sport with extra fuel can definitely help you get out of a place like San Francisco, but you still need a destination. Without a destination you will be a sitting duck and easy pickings for others.
I'm living on the edge with a Honda CT125 Trail🛵 but I'm fearless!
I've got my TW200 and I'm ready to go!
I live in Europe, so I got a Tiger 1050 Sport (one of the most underated sport touring bikes ever made). Full OEM luggage system that can carry 30 Kg and has been test up to max speed (140 Mph). Got a lot of extras, lie 5.11 tactical pouches mounted tot he engine guards, Garmin GPS, heated grips, extended windscreen and more...
To end up on motorbikes you have to start your journey on motorbikes which may be a choice for some people.
If you start out on a well packed 4x4 and have to abandon it, the next best option is by bicycle. It's not as macho as a motorbike but about 3x better than walking. Most bicycle tourists can maintain 50 miles per day carrying a heavy camping load.
Why not try using bicycles as the "lifeboat" on your 4x4 " yatcht". It beats swimming!
As an r1200gs owner, I do agree that it is pretty heavy and tougher to do a lot of off road stuff on it compared to smaller bikes. It does all depend on skill level though. with enough practice on a big bike you can go almost everywhere a smaller one can. maybe a little slower but its possible. you can also carry much more fuel and water. rotopax mounted to the cases, etc. oh lets not forget that being on a bike at all lets you lane split to get out of an urban area.
I rode BMW R1200 and 1100 GS Adv bikes for 15 years. I’m 70 years old now, so I bought a lighter (100 + lbs) Husqvarna Norden 901 Norden. I like it much better (for me).
@Sneww As an example what can be done on an R1200 look up Jocelyn Snow and watch her in the GS Trophy competition. She’s a little over 5’1”, but does amazing things on the GS.
Suzuki DRZ400S is worth looking into.
Great subject, I love my dualsport, I have it all set and utilize it for multiday travel. I will say it is more nimble, however it cannot go places my Four runner can on the extreme stuff. Carrying anything other than my edc handgun, can be a real issue on the bike, especially fully load for travel. I believe a bike is a great addition to my bugout plan, but I am not convinced it would be my go to for long term. Many third world countries seem to utilize them, they probably know something I don't.
The range on some of the adventure bikes isn't that great. I researched this topic a lot (as someone who isn't a moto master by any means). I like the idea of modifying a road bike to handle fields and dirt decently enough to be able to traverse them. My personal reality being in the Southeast, I'm not tackling steep terrain, so I feel confident in a road bike with knobby tires and upgraded suspension. In a bad situation I don't want to look for gas, 3 gallon tank isn't enough in my humble opinion. Feedback on this perspective welcome.
That’s an excellent observation. I have been a dual sport and street bike rider for years. I found that adding knobby tires to my light weight cruiser with saddlebags covers a lot of the bases here. Kawasaki Versys is a great bike for the “in between”. 👍🏻🤠
It’s for a specific purpose, you wouldn’t take a bolt action into a cqb situation. While I’m not educated enough on this topic to explain what that purpose is I would assume things like splitting lanes on backed up highways and small trail travel are some of them.
Most adv bike have more range then road bikes! Ive researched most to all of them in search of my adv bike, im on the Tenere 700 which has less then most but its one of the most reliable. No matter what you ride, you will need feul at some point. Im looking to get the Norden 901 this summer 🤙
Also i think the best bugout bike would be a Husqvarna 701lr, same as the 701 and 690 but has way more gas
I have a BMW310GS. IF i am keeping below about 55 mph, Im good for 65-70 mpg. Above that it drops off quickly. 3 1/2 gallons or so would get me a good distance on that if im not balls out. Suspension sucks though for serious offroad. Im not a small man at 236 and 6'. I can haul a passenger on the road very comfortably or a boat load of gear and as long as im below 75mph or so im good.
I can't get my wife to even sit on a bike much less ride one. I've spent the last year building a 1999 Suzuki DR 350 into a very capable dual sport/ultralight ADV bike, for me a great platform and very reliable with minimal maintenance and long service intervals. Having owned and ridden both 2 and 4 stroke bikes, for a bug out bike I'll stick to a 4 stroke. Don't have to worry about premix oil and honestly 2 strokes for a long stretch of road isn't the most comfortable ride. Back in late September I actually rode from my house down in SL valley up over guardsman's and down to fieldcraft survival in the Heber valley. I was hoping to run into you and check out your bike but missed you. It was still a great ride and a good visit to your store. Thanks for your content. Looking forward to future installments.
I will share this with you. In certain professions one should know how to drive a car, ride a motorcycle, operate a small boat, operate a small aircraft like a Cessna and even know how to ride a horse. You must know how to extract yourself from behind enemy lines.......
I would add operating farm and construction equipment and maintenance and repair
I suppose you are hinting that you are a soldier of some kind but how does that information relate to the topic at hand? Are you saying we should buy a bug-out Cessna?
Great video, I have a 2021 KLX 300 I modded out and it gives me peace of mind if there were ever some sort of civil unrest. Although, I do keep a few old school dirt bikes around in case we ever had an EMP. Those would start right up, whereas the newer bikes likely wouldn't.
Emp fries electronics. Old dirtbikes have electronics. Only mechanical diesels will run, if you can start them manually.
@@meekdook4236 it’s speculative that “all electronics will fry” there’s no way to tell unless it happened and susceptibility is dependent on location of the blast. Old carbureted bikes may have a chance and can be bump started. Newer electronics would be highly susceptible to an EMP.
Your best options in that case would be to build a faraday cage and keep your electronics off the bike stored separately.
@@ryancompton3515 For sure, Arthur T Bradley talks a lot about this as well. Good stuff
A TW 200 gets my vote.
A honda minimoto makes the ultimate bug out bike! It's can hold a bunch of stuff is lightweight and simple with great mpg.
the video is such an amazing source of info that it should become a lecture.. so said.. some of the scenery in it took my breath away.. wow
My preferred choice would be a 450 Honda Crf l dual sport. With 70/30 off-road and on road. Upgraded tank to hold 5 gallons with two roto packs on the back. 1 for gas 1 for water. Bags for the minimal other things. So cal you’ll want to be off road as most people will be on road
Small is good
I bought a 2017 Honda Africa Twin in March. Its an excellent bike for bugging out. If youre interested in a bug out bike I highly suggest it.
I love my t7 but for a bug out scenario the klr650 or the Drs 400 is the way to go.
I’m just here with my 98 XR400….
A bike would be a way to get out of the city, but unless you're on a goldwing, not a good way to bring things with. It's more like traveling on foot. Fuel range isn't great either. Would be good to have a place to go to, or at least supply caches. You'll just youself get shot going around trying to steal shit.
Diesel always beats out gas as you can run that type of engine on kerosene, motor oil, transmission fluid or even straight vegetable oil if you do not shut the engine down and keep the fuel nice and hot.
And they do make small trailers for motorcycles and that would be a huge game changer.
My 1972 F100 4X4 had three 18 gallon tanks for a minimum range of about 540 miles!
Nobody is just picking up a motorcycle and bugging out anywhere unless they have experience. Sure you can ride down a paved road (maybe), but if you attempt off-roading without experience you won’t make it very far. Not trying to discourage anyone and I’m sure there will be plenty of so called macho men that think they can handle it no problem.
As an experienced rider, on and off-road I can offer a few suggestions.
Excellent choices:
- KTM 390, 690, 790 and 890
- BMW 310, 650, 750 and 800
- Kawasaki 650 KLR
- Yamaha Tenere 700
- Husqvarna 901
Any of these bikes are capable of carrying quite a bit of luggage as well as a passenger. The 310 and 390 dont have a lot of power but are still very capable. These bikes are also very nimble around town. Inexperienced riders will not have any luck off-road, as with anything you will need to practice.
Yamaha XT 250 is the most reliable pack mule you can get in a bike ( do not waste a bunch of money modifying it up they are perfect from the factory) Myself I have a XT 350 I carry 4 gallons of fuel have a range of 200+ miles. I have luggage racks front and back and I wear a back pack. Biggest survival tool I have is no wife and kids slowing me down.
@@PORSCHE_COUNTRY. that sounds flat out scary.
Don't forget your wet wipes.
I've got a BMW F800GSA outfitted, great bike good split between the two for me as a 6ft4 dude. Just make sure you remove the kickstand switch on the BMW,s as they will leave you stranded if you break it while out in the bush.
They are more expensive but even just a single Side-by-Side would be a fantastic addition to a crew that is utilizing bikes. Have one SxS with the tool/gear space in the back as well as room for 1 or more passengers. Would not be as nimble or good for scouting as bikes but definitely nimble enough to be a fantastic logistics tool. Haul extra gear and provide a work horse around your encampment. Haul extra fuel, parts, medical gear, food, and even transport non-ambulatory individuals in the event you rescue someone as well as transport and recover bikes that are broke down. You can find nice used ones for pretty good prices, especially the Kawasaki Mules.
Probably would only want one or two SxS's in a crew because they would be a little more difficult to get into some areas but if the driver/owner is use to trail cutting then it will go anywhere a bike will. I use to cut my own trails on private property and a SxS with a decent brush guard in 4LO will bulldoze anything short of a literal tree.
I have myself a busted up early 2000s DR200 and that’s what I’m learning to ride on! Would love a 1998 DR350se but finances don’t allow that at the moment!
For those of us who cannot afford expensive vehicles, trailers, etc. I agree that motorcycles could be a viable means of transportation.
I don't own a motorcycle, but am a bikepacker (bicycle) and regularly go camping with it. And for winter or longer trips, I have a trailer to hold my extra gear.
No, a bicycle doesn't have the speed of a motorized vehicle, but it is quiet.
My plan is to leave in my Ram 2500 power wagon WITH my bike as a second means of transportation.
Add an emountain bike with foldable collar panels and you could about go forever.
Hell yeah this is the lifestyle I need…..bugging out on my WR250R
service intervals are something to take into account. dirt bike leaning duel sports are gonna need maintenance often. been tinkering with the idea of puting a suron ebike with a solar set up on the overlander. great scouting vehicle with no maintenance.
People need to remember that the whole idea of "bugging out" is just for going from point A to point B. With that point B having supplies for lasting much longer. People are under the idea they can take a bike of even a truck and live off of it for an extremely long time when that's just not realistic.
My KTM 640 I think is a great BOV. After modifying it out for power I think I need to modify it for fuel savings. It has the thumper power while being agile like a dirt bike. Anything bigger is a street bike with knobby tires and heavy AF.
well, reading the comments, it really matters where you are when shtf. i live in Florida. don't like sea going vessels. so to bug out on my 500cc bike, i can carry all of my moto camping gear, housing(tent, bag, cook set, edc, back pack for emergency food, extra ammo,) the national forest would probably be the best place to huddle down, but with the amount of people, it might get crowded, dangerous, bugging out will be more than just getting out of a city. AND, if you don't get away in the first couple of days, your escape will be even more difficult. a lot to consider, and PLAN for.
yea ive been looking into a few of these...and they are affordable if you have a steady check
Ever since B. Scouts tent camping was/is nothing new to me. What I find so funny, that suddenly this is some sort of new discovery.
I've used mbikes for means of trans for fun, school and work, when I couldn't afford a car/truck.
I guess now the lingo or proper wording is adventure riding... I just call it camping on my dual sport, something I did back in my party days pretty much every drunkn weekend.
Wakin up wrecked getting a fire ready pulling out my tin to make a coffee seemed to be the life of the reason for going in the first place with out a tent or tarp to sleep under...just a poncho in case it did get rainy..
Now, I do pac light weight stuff on the bike and head up trail-less destinations away from anyone that I would hope to be surprised to see me there, much more over, with an Mbike too....rock on
Just strap the bike on the truck lol
Imo the bug out bike should be 500cc max. Still capable of going fast enough. But good on gas and light weight
Great discussion. my BMW310GS would get me most places and is thrifty on fuel, my plated GasGas 2T 200 would get me anywhere, not necessarily in comfort though, but its two different rides....Dont want to have to mix fuel on the run though..... and then there is always the option of throwing either or both of them on the back of the jeep and use them as needed or drop and run if it gets really bad....
A spendthrift is someone who overspends.
I would get out now if I was worried about getting out we left California 30 years ago very good decision. A bicycle to the boat makes sense to me and up the delta lot’s of places to hide unless Shasta springs a leek
Nice hypothetical for sure 👌 most have dedicated their efforts and resources to become proficient at making other people money instead of developing the skills and knowledge and experience to truly be self sufficient (including the ability to repair/rebuild catastrophic failures/major damage onsite) which limits your ability to stay out and away.
A vehicle that has no chips, and a carburetor is ideal. EMP is more devastating than any weapon. Fuel injected vehicle has the capacity to be compromised.
Needing fuel tanks and ready to purchase gasoline on the fly, or have a rotation of tanks with your everyday vehicle with fuel stabilizer is a juggling task to truly be prepared at the drop of a hat.
I've done thousands of kilometers adventure biking and overlanding in Africa. I am also ex military and would like to think that I'm reasonably sensible and forward thinking about SHTF situations. In my humble opinion motorcycles are not good mobility choices for bugging out. Why?
1. You need to have above average skill and/or experience, or you're going to get yourself killed or seriously injured off-road. Even on a graded gravel road. Ask me, I've seen it happen numerous times.
2 . Vulnerability to the elements.
3. Lack of fuel range.
4. Lack of packing space.
5. Mechanical maintenance. Can you fix a puncture on your bike? Because it's not a question of if, but when. And don't forget the chain lube.
6. It's only for Lone Wolves. But to survive you need a pack.
My truck permanently has recovery gear, med kit, extra diesel, basic tools, emergency food, water, and a few other goodies in it. It can carry people, fuel, extra food, camping gear and some pew-pew stuff if the situation calls for it. My gear is also all stored in-board, in the truck bed under a lockable cover, away from prying eyes. Africa teaches you about the risk of your stuff getting stolen. So no Rotopax prancing outside begging to be liberated in a societal breakdown.
For fun, you can do the Tunduma border crossing between Tanzania and Zambia and count the seconds before your Rotopax are gone. That's why canopies like that of Alucab, or tops as they call them here in the US, are so valuable; they provide security against unsavory opportunists.
This is not a bitching session though. I love Fieldcraft survival's work, have done training with Matt V and Kevin O, and visited the HQ at Heber City in December. Pity you only had orange tourniquets when I was there!
PS: I was part of Team South Africa as their media member during the 2010 International BMW GS Trophy adventure bike competion.
Husqvarna 701lr i think would be the best stock option. Most other bikes you can get safari tanks and other mods but nothing stock can compete!
The M&P FPC is a great folding carbine option for bugging out via bike
Glad I just bought a KTM 1290 SAR! Now I can bug out!!
When I was a teenager 15-20 years ago I lived in the outskirts of the Seattle Olympia megalopolis I worked framing and we used to always talk about that when we where stuck in gridlock that a dual sport bike (that’s what we rode on the weekends) would be the best option to have transportation in an emergency kinda a get home rig if we had volcano flood panic etc we of course couldn’t do it cause we had tool and dump etc trailers we where always towing so we always said that guys that work in an office it would be perfect but now I live in idaho and to get anywhere it’s 50 miles just to the next town and my bike I can go further than 250 miles but not much further so if I need to leave an area along with everyone else it may not be enough and yes bikes don’t use much fuel but they are really hard to Cary more fuel. I can build a Honda Accord to go 1000 miles or a jeep type rig etc so I think the bike really shines as a daily get home rig but if you need to evacuate a region it may not have enough fuel transport.
For carrying firearms on a bike, I'd have to go on body all the time. My area is probably more permissive that a San Fran man, so with civil unrest if I'm heading away from a city with an AR on my back and a glock on my side I don't think anyone is going to have any problems except to stay out of my way those first couple days of getting away from the troubled areas. Later on if the crisis persists just carrying a big stick around probably won't deter needy folks, but I think for initial bugout on any kind of bike it's got to be on body open carry if permissible, but even in impermissible areas in a crisis I don't think LEOs would be that much of a problem with them being overwhelmed
Open carry just leaves you at a tactical disadvantage and makes you a target for others in a small group with weapons. You can always pull a weapon if you need to show force if you have to but it's better to not let them know your capabilities until you're forced. Best plan is to be as gray as possible until you have no other choice, if your situation allows you to do that
Love your thought about solo bugging out on a Harley pan America VS your ktm
Ktm or bmw all day, more parts, proven bike, and reliable
What you gonna do when there’s no grocery store to bug out to and no gas being pumped. Your living in fantasy land. Stay at home and eat MRE’s.
I currently have a 22 crf 450rl. I didn’t get it for overlanding, enduro, bug out or anything like that, but now I’m building it for that. But it’s got no kickstart and too many things to break, I really want to get an early 90s dr350.
If I'm not taking my jeep, I'm on my BMW f800gs with its camel tank. About a 300+ miles range with that one. But... Good luck convincing my wife that we're going anywhere other than a hotel or air-b&b. 🙄
Luckily… I’m a prep-per and have money. We built our home in a remote area with a fallout shelter under our home. However we do have motorcycles and trucks that we can use if we have to bug out. Even my kids know how to ride.
NO KTM
I think the best all round bike would be dual sport 4 cycle thumper.
KTM 650 is 100 lbs heavier than my DR650, plus the DR has a tad more HP.
Must important part is less electronics to break. Easy enough to carry spares for the DR, except for the battery.
No farkels, it is just something else to break.
I have a DR, though sorta hard about picking between a TW200 and DR650. Maybe get another TW200 and really compare them in some way.
never tell people in a city to bug out to the "hills". I live in them ther hills.
there is no place for any bug-outers to go up here.
privet land = getting shot.
public land = dieing.
want to live in my back yard. you better have lots of what I want.
go above 3K feet and you will die after the first frost. if you can even live that long.
food and water are hard to find. add in a bunch of city folk and all the game just moves away fast.
there are no sources of food, shelter, etc. city folk just die, cause they do not know how to live off the land. and if they try to take anything they will get shot.
and all of the roads will be blocked. very easy to fell a mile worth of trees onto the roads.
Best vehicle to bug out of sinfransicko would be a boat
And go up the Sacramento delta you could probably survive up there as long as the Shasta dam holds
Yeah buddy, convince my wife!
Love this. ive built a cj7 for my bugout rig. 1 ton chevy basically. h1s. ect. ive been thinking a bike to use as a rig to get supplys ect. in a shft environment.
Love this!
when you bugout, you want a gas sipping bike that can carry a load. It does not have to climb widow maker hills or cross raging rivers. When the explorers crossed America, they did not look for the hardest terrain to travel. They crossed the easiest spot they could find.
I had a solid 250 years ago that I sold for a 700. I wish I still had that!! It would be perfect for this.
Yeah, small is better. I have XT600/XR650....but they are big heavy (tall XR) ...XT350 is my choice big enough to GO, small enough to man handle .
I travel by bike exclusively, been doing ADV for decades. Getting into ADV can be quite expensive and takes a lot of time and experience to become proficient and efficient. My current bike is KTM 690 Enduro R. Highly capable and highly modified. Stock range is 150-175 miles. With my mods, 5 gal of fuel, it's up to 275-300. But that comes at a fairly high cost. Base cost $12.5k, fuel mods $600, bags, $1k ++, camping gear $1k, coms $500, riding gear $2k ++, sat nav $500.
That's just a start and to be honest the 690 is far from a beginner bike. Going big CC is probably the biggest mistake new riders make. For bug out smaller is way better. Great beginner and capable bikes: Yamaha XT 250, Kawasaki Kx 250, 300. Honda CRF 250-300 is ok but suspension sucks!
At least this video isn't promoting EVs and biometricly locked holsters.
I'll stick to my trusty suzuki drz250 with 52 sprocket
I question as to what effect an EMP will have on the newer bikes? EMP may be a thing, may not, but if the bike won’t run after one, it’s not much good to me.
A mc can go around almost any traffic jam. If solo it can’t be beat to speed and getting over obstacles. Pistol in hill people gear chest pouch. 500-700 cc ideal imo
3:47 “caches” isn’t pronounced like that, it’s “ka shuhz”. Look it up, literally everyone gets this wrong
The KTM 690 Enduro is a fine bike for that. But due to my size, I’ve got a Husqvarna Norden 901. It’s basically the same platform as the KTM Adventure.
Why is there not a reference to Days Gone? It is a Terrible oversight. Good info and overviews on this, many thanks.
No mention of four wheel ATV’s? What’s his opinion of using those?
Realll good info thank you
Great content!
A bike is an auxiliary vehicle for a truck or suv. It’s a scout vehicle, or use it as a mule for a fob. The limited range, lack of cargo/passenger carrying ability, security, not to mention if you’re injured or even just sick it makes for a worse time than driving. A truck can bring the materials and manpower to build a fob, can act as a mobile command center with coms/power, can move debris from disaster, haul materials to build or rebuild. Bugging out on a bike, leaving my family, friends, and dog? I’ll pass. If I’m forced to leave it’ll be in my truck with the tools to rebuild a life worth living with the people worth living it with. Situational dependent, with a Honda trail on the hitch
About as stupid as hoarding food in a bunker instead of raising your own sustainable source of food, packanimals and animal drawn wagons are the only real longterm bugout vehicles.
You completely overlooked one game changing item regarding bugging out on a motorcycle.
I would think that a dual sport set up for dual fueling (gasoline/liquid petroleum - liquified natural gas) would be a good thing. I know that many ICE vehicles have been converted to dual fuel options. Also, I have seen canisters of LP gas for sale in grocery stores, hardware stores, even 7/11 convenience stores. Not sure if the prices have risen commensurate with gas and diesel... Bye the way, the CB 500X has a one tank range of about 300 miles.
I think what you meant was compressed natural gas as liquified natural gas has to be cooled. Propane is an easier option because because of how common propane is. You can also fill 1 pound propane bottle from larger propane tanks.
Mike can you guys do a similar video, but with a RZR or can am.
I'd like to see something with the UTV in mind!
Love it
TH-cam can't be watched on anything but a "small little cell phone"?? 😂😂 do I have some info for you...
My bike of choice is my beta 500 rr-s.
Skill set on larger bikes negates the argument of nimbleness...
Word.
Unnecessary weight and fuel consumption
@@whiterabit09 A larger bike is a better option for longer trips, more open terrain and carrying more gear. Smaller bike for more technical terrain.
What about a bike with a sidecar (Ural motorcycle)? A scooter (Honda Trail 125)?