When London was a city you could actually live in. People with ordinary jobs could afford a house, busy areas were far less crowded and the culture wasn't so angry and divisive. We didn't know what we had.
I may be completely wrong, but I doubt the changes happen by accident and would suspect the division and everything else has been consciously planned. You only have to read the perverse words written by Bertrand Russell about destroying each countries identify and creating a one world government... By creating division and using war and bloodshed if necessary. I know he said that after the war, and that was his twisted way of stopping future conflict, by...err creating a giant conflict to end them all.... That's no conspiracy theory, he said that in black and white, he's a massive hero of the WEF brigade. Who train a lot of our future leaders at their seminars. The division has been planned and encouraged.
It has become a bit of a tourist hotspot. I'm a youngun don't own a smartphone and never will. I like the music posters in the vid, they are still up. I don't usually hang around camden market or the highstreet for long, not the place to just saunter about, way to crowded and alot of hyped low interest shops, but its great with a couple of friends and not as dangerous as people say. It has changed alot within the last 10 years but this is just a refelction of the times , you just have to look for things in london and you'll find something worth looking at.
Have a look how everyone was walking enjoying the outdoor,unlike nowadays everyone is glued to their phones,,,,people are miserable,rude ,sad living,poor deprived manners. It was lovely back then ❤❤❤
The streets definitely feel much less safe compared to back then. I used to go shopping, wander round the record shops and now I just get what I need and get out as fast as I can and its a shame.
@@crabapples1995 incidents had grown due to immigration; there are more incidents of so called honour killings and forced child marriages. Now, the local population no longer does this.
Really interesting. Seems to be around October of 1991 judging by the clothes and the poll tax demo poster. I'd just moved into a hostel at the Holloway end of Camden Road and came into Camden every day. Not much choice really as I had to leave the place between 9 and 4-30. This was supposed to encourage us "down and outs" to find a job. And for the staff to do whatever it was that Catholic priests did during the day. I sadly have to echo the sentiment in other posts that ordinary people lived there then. I am in no way saying it was simply "better" because times were tough (violence, hatred, unemployment, homelessness etc.) and I would not go back for all the money in the world. If you take your rose-tinted glasses off for a second (and had a time machine) I could walk you around the nearby streets and show you deprivation that was mostly hidden from the tourists. My life started getting better after about a year of this, I met a nice girl who loved me despite my lowly place in society and she gave me the support I needed to literally "turn my life around". Bittersweet memories, thanks Thames TV.
The last part of your post especially is really moving. I hope you are doing well these days and would like to think it all worked out with the woman you were with although that is your business, of course.
I grew up in Camden from when I was born in the very early 1970s to my early 20s in the early 90s. Still visit the area, regularly (plus pass through it every day on my way to work via the tube), but it’s really gone downhill. I never liked Camden High Street, remember going shopping with my Mum, like the old Tesco’s which is not an Argos, in the mid 70s and early 80s. And remember all the tramps (now called homeless people) walking around in a daze or drink etc (now they are replaced by drug addicts). Camden High Street has never lost that depressing feel. But the Camden Market end always had interesting and cool thing to buy when it came to music etc, when I would go there in the 80s and 90s. Camden stopped being Camden around 2004.
I agree with your description of Camden High Street. I lived on Camden Road from 1987 to around the millennium and gentrification never arrived on my road nor the high street. It was always scruffy and rather neglected and a recent visit confirms that nothing has changed. Indeed, I think you're right, it's arguably even worse. The amazing thing is property prices in Camden were/are extortionate even by London's standards. That probably because much of it is zone 1 . Nevertheless a lot of it is still relatively run down. Having said that there are pockets of extreme privilege & exclusivity - it's these areas within the borough that also push up the average property price.
Jeez, I was around 20 in the early 1990s and I distinctly remember those baggy jeans with a huge belt that all the girls were wearing at the time, still look sexy to this day as they showed off the slim waist and wide hips! ha ha! It's so funny to be looking nostaligcally at my own youthful history and it seems like only yesterday but it was over 30 years ago now. I guess one day people will look at this clip like we look at the clips from the 1940s and think, "Ah, how quaint they all look.".
You more a less the same age as me, and the early 90s really is starting to look like the 1940s. Plus the 1970s, looks like the 1880s now, and I remember the 70s very well.
Definitely 91 I clocked a poll tax poster and we didn't get that till sometime in 1990. I agree it would of been nice to see some different parts of Camden. A place I spent a lot of time in growing up in North London in the 70s and 80s. Last visit was 2006 and that was an eye opener. Not sure I'll ever go back.
I work near the high st , I’m sure a couple of those shops are still there from the 90s. It’s similar to as it was but with 4 times as many people .. Shame the black cap closed down some years ago ! 😀
@geeman4041 I used to drink in the Elephant's Head and we had our Scooter Club meetings in the Half Way House. A lesbian work friend took me in the Black Cap one Sunday when I was about 17. I remember there was a drag artist on. That was a new experience for me going in there but it was a nice chilled atmosphere. Is there still a pie and mash shop near the railway bridge?
Hi Simone, you’ll be pleased (and possibly surprised!) that the pie and mash is still there on royal college st. Scooter meets in Camden I missed, before my time probably- now in my 50s have got a 1966 Li now tho 😀
@@geeman4041 That's good to know it's still going! Had many a nice Pie & mash in there. I'm 56 & started off as a Young Mod up Carnaby St in early 80's before turning 'Scooterboy' in 84. Been riding Scoots now for 40 years. Had a few Series 3 Li's :) Can't beat the smell & sound of a 2 stroke. Enjoy your Lammy & ride safe 👍🛵
I grew up in Camden from when I was born in the very early 1970s to my early 20s in the early 90s. Still visit the area, regularly (plus pass through it every day on my way to work via the tube), but it’s really gone downhill. I never liked Camden High Street, remember going shopping with my Mum, like the old Tesco’s which is not an Argos, in the mid 70s and early 80s. And remember all the tramps (now called homeless people) walking around in a daze or drink etc (now they are replaced by drug addicts). Camden High Street has never lost that depressing feel. But the Camden Market end always had interesting and cool thing to buy when it came to music etc, when I would go there in the 80s and 90s. Camden stopped being Camden around 2004.
When London was a city you could actually live in. People with ordinary jobs could afford a house, busy areas were far less crowded and the culture wasn't so angry and divisive. We didn't know what we had.
Bang on
I may be completely wrong, but I doubt the changes happen by accident and would suspect the division and everything else has been consciously planned. You only have to read the perverse words written by Bertrand Russell about destroying each countries identify and creating a one world government... By creating division and using war and bloodshed if necessary. I know he said that after the war, and that was his twisted way of stopping future conflict, by...err creating a giant conflict to end them all.... That's no conspiracy theory, he said that in black and white, he's a massive hero of the WEF brigade. Who train a lot of our future leaders at their seminars. The division has been planned and encouraged.
Sure, 15% interest rates must have been a breeze in 1990.
@@80sandretrogubbins25 Property was far less expensive in relation to earnings. The stats are pretty shocking for recent years.
@@dionyates2482 Yes fair enough.
It has become a bit of a tourist hotspot. I'm a youngun don't own a smartphone and never will. I like the music posters in the vid, they are still up. I don't usually hang around camden market or the highstreet for long, not the place to just saunter about, way to crowded and alot of hyped low interest shops, but its great with a couple of friends and not as dangerous as people say. It has changed alot within the last 10 years but this is just a refelction of the times , you just have to look for things in london and you'll find something worth looking at.
Have a look how everyone was walking enjoying the outdoor,unlike nowadays everyone is glued to their phones,,,,people are miserable,rude ,sad living,poor deprived manners.
It was lovely back then ❤❤❤
Yes, phones are a societal tragedy.
@@jennytaylor3324 Phones are a wonderful technological innovation. If you don't want one, don't have one. Simple.
@@YorickReturnsI assume you're talking about mobile phones?
You clearly weren't around back then.
@@jesusisapisces Everyone says it was better.
The streets definitely feel much less safe compared to back then. I used to go shopping, wander round the record shops and now I just get what I need and get out as fast as I can and its a shame.
But look at the crime rates. They have fallen.
@@YorickReturnsOverall crime:
The number of recorded crimes in London has been increasing, from 743,728 in 2015/16 to 938,020 in 2023/24.
@@kinomusic9110 From year to year, there are ups and downs. But the decade-by-decade trend is clear. Crime is falling.
@@YorickReturns the trend is clear, machete attacks and drive-by moped mugging were unknown in the 90s.
@@apebass2215 Why does the method matter? You sound like a leftist talking about the "gum" stats in America.
Not a machete in sight
@@centrelensmaybe, but plenty of carriers though...
Still wasn't too bad in the 90's. The last 20yrs has been a disaster.
the 90s was 30 years ago
@brooke1639 give or take a few years Mr mathematics 😆
Well, femicides, gender based killings and violence (some that were similar to honour) were normalised in the local population.
@@Great_WesternTVFan I think that has become worse
@@crabapples1995 incidents had grown due to immigration; there are more incidents of so called honour killings and forced child marriages. Now, the local population no longer does this.
Half cringing expecting to see myself in this 😂 80s / 90s / early 2000s was always in Camden Taaaan
Really interesting. Seems to be around October of 1991 judging by the clothes and the poll tax demo poster. I'd just moved into a hostel at the Holloway end of Camden Road and came into Camden every day. Not much choice really as I had to leave the place between 9 and 4-30. This was supposed to encourage us "down and outs" to find a job. And for the staff to do whatever it was that Catholic priests did during the day.
I sadly have to echo the sentiment in other posts that ordinary people lived there then. I am in no way saying it was simply "better" because times were tough (violence, hatred, unemployment, homelessness etc.) and I would not go back for all the money in the world. If you take your rose-tinted glasses off for a second (and had a time machine) I could walk you around the nearby streets and show you deprivation that was mostly hidden from the tourists.
My life started getting better after about a year of this, I met a nice girl who loved me despite my lowly place in society and she gave me the support I needed to literally "turn my life around". Bittersweet memories, thanks Thames TV.
The last part of your post especially is really moving. I hope you are doing well these days and would like to think it all worked out with the woman you were with although that is your business, of course.
Thank you - This brings back amazing memories of when I used to go to Camden Market as a teenager on a Saturday.
I grew up in Camden from when I was born in the very early 1970s to my early 20s in the early 90s. Still visit the area, regularly (plus pass through it every day on my way to work via the tube), but it’s really gone downhill.
I never liked Camden High Street, remember going shopping with my Mum, like the old Tesco’s which is not an Argos, in the mid 70s and early 80s. And remember all the tramps (now called homeless people) walking around in a daze or drink etc (now they are replaced by drug addicts).
Camden High Street has never lost that depressing feel. But the Camden Market end always had interesting and cool thing to buy when it came to music etc, when I would go there in the 80s and 90s. Camden stopped being Camden around 2004.
I agree with your description of Camden High Street. I lived on Camden Road from 1987 to around the millennium and gentrification never arrived on my road nor the high street. It was always scruffy and rather neglected and a recent visit confirms that nothing has changed. Indeed, I think you're right, it's arguably even worse.
The amazing thing is property prices in Camden were/are extortionate even by London's standards. That probably because much of it is zone 1 . Nevertheless a lot of it is still relatively run down.
Having said that there are pockets of extreme privilege & exclusivity - it's these areas within the borough that also push up the average property price.
When Britpop ruled the world. ☝🏻
Nah we were still listening to EMF and Happy Mondays then😄Britpop briefly charted about '93-96 but didn't even register overseas.
@ I grew up during that era here in America and loved Britpop.
It di not. It was a media invention and was mainly made up of rehashed, derivative sixties music. A lot of blinking for some reason too.
0:20 Love it how that man just barges into the other guy and the other guy pretty much ignored it.
Unbelievably rude to do it on purpose and then act like it had not happened. Weird.
What do people notice about the videos
Mmmmmm🤔… got it! I’m sure we all have..
Jeez, I was around 20 in the early 1990s and I distinctly remember those baggy jeans with a huge belt that all the girls were wearing at the time, still look sexy to this day as they showed off the slim waist and wide hips! ha ha! It's so funny to be looking nostaligcally at my own youthful history and it seems like only yesterday but it was over 30 years ago now. I guess one day people will look at this clip like we look at the clips from the 1940s and think, "Ah, how quaint they all look.".
You more a less the same age as me, and the early 90s really is starting to look like the 1940s. Plus the 1970s, looks like the 1880s now, and I remember the 70s very well.
@@benscr The nineties do not look like the forties unless you mean the 1540s.
Feels more end of 80s
I agree. It was before 1994 because that's when Gateway was rebranded to Somerfield.
Also there are posters advertising 1991 poll tax protests!
@ yeah 1991 feels more like it
@@davelowe1977 Key turning point in history. More important than trivial events like the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989.
Ahhhh the good old days when Britain was *BRITISH*
It still is. No to racism and yes to multiculturalism. No need for capital letters.
@eightiesmusic1984 I'll do as I *wish* and you obviously are totally blinkered or extremely naive
When life was lite@easy
Before the dinghy invasion !!!!
🙄 Shouldn't you be watching GBNews?
@@hopebgood🙄shouldnt you face the truth?
@@ianrobert6239 Camden has long had a Somali community. You clearly don't know the area.
@@ianrobert6239 Say that to yourself when looking in a mirror. Repeat a hundred times and dedicate your time to opposing racism.
Good da🇬🇧ys of shopping 😊
That’s late eighties, possible just into 1990, would of been a better video to go to different streets not just the same with different people
Definitely 91 I clocked a poll tax poster and we didn't get that till sometime in 1990. I agree it would of been nice to see some different parts of Camden. A place I spent a lot of time in growing up in North London in the 70s and 80s. Last visit was 2006 and that was an eye opener. Not sure I'll ever go back.
I work near the high st , I’m sure a couple of those shops are still there from the 90s. It’s similar to as it was but with 4 times as many people .. Shame the black cap closed down some years ago ! 😀
@geeman4041 I used to drink in the Elephant's Head and we had our Scooter Club meetings in the Half Way House. A lesbian work friend took me in the Black Cap one Sunday when I was about 17. I remember there was a drag artist on. That was a new experience for me going in there but it was a nice chilled atmosphere. Is there still a pie and mash shop near the railway bridge?
Hi Simone, you’ll be pleased (and possibly surprised!) that the pie and mash is still there on royal college st. Scooter meets in Camden I missed, before my time probably- now in my 50s have got a 1966 Li now tho 😀
@@geeman4041 That's good to know it's still going! Had many a nice Pie & mash in there. I'm 56 & started off as a Young Mod up Carnaby St in early 80's before turning 'Scooterboy' in 84. Been riding Scoots now for 40 years. Had a few Series 3 Li's :) Can't beat the smell & sound of a 2 stroke. Enjoy your Lammy & ride safe 👍🛵
Why does it say Fremantle that's in America?
Probably Fremantle media
Australia, but its the name of the company that owns the clip
Hi from Fremantle! (Western Australia) 🙂
Looks like Russia in 90s
Russia in the 90s looked like England in the 60s.
I grew up in Camden from when I was born in the very early 1970s to my early 20s in the early 90s. Still visit the area, regularly (plus pass through it every day on my way to work via the tube), but it’s really gone downhill.
I never liked Camden High Street, remember going shopping with my Mum, like the old Tesco’s which is not an Argos, in the mid 70s and early 80s. And remember all the tramps (now called homeless people) walking around in a daze or drink etc (now they are replaced by drug addicts).
Camden High Street has never lost that depressing feel. But the Camden Market end always had interesting and cool thing to buy when it came to music etc, when I would go there in the 80s and 90s. Camden stopped being Camden around 2004.