"The kind I make every time I pull the trigger" Love that line, just shows how much Frank believes in his cause. He knows its "wrong" but he still chooses in 100% good conscious to pull the trigger
@@radlegofilmz2902 I don't think so. He has empathy and love just not for these criminals. He's just extremely set in his principles and those principles come from someone who's family was gunned down and who constantly sees evil people escape justice
The passion in the talking, the drama, the suspense in the moment that frank is about to shoot and Matt doesnt know what to Do, fuck, it gives me goosebumps man
For me its the way Matt pleads for Frank to let him give the guy to the police. He agrees with Frank that these are terrible people but he's begging Frank to not be a murderer and to let the law do the punishing
That one was way more hardcore. Daredevil actually takes the shot, and its blank. Which just proves Franks point. He completely destroys Daredevil on the moral side.
While your comment is 3yrs old. A better fun fact is that only ugly morons think it’s a fun fact since EVERYBODY played that game or has watched walkthroughs. That’s like me saying “fun fact:Robert Downey jr played Ironman”
@@jacobeestrickland8235 whether or not a person can sleep at night with their conscience has zero bearing on whether or not he was worth saving. Illogical comment
@@jacobeestrickland8235your "morals" would allow grotto back on the street eventually to kill another innocent. Sounds like you don't have any morals, buddy.
0:39: “if you don’t get that there’s something broken in you YOU CANT FIX” Doesn’t daredevil disprove his own point right there? Is there any “hope” for frank castle to change as a person? Or would the only way for daredevil to truly “stop” the punisher be to murder him? How would daredevil “fix” frank if he’s so far gone?
Then he proceeds to call him insane and that he needs help. The environment our circumstances create and the nature we are born with sets us on a path that society will ultimately deem as ‘good’ or ‘bad’ All thinking and action are dictated by these factors. No one is truly greater than the momentum of ‘God’s’ or the Universe’s omnipotent dice roll. So, who are we as ‘man’ to judge and execute based on this logic. It’s Daredevil’s logic: he is a man of faith and thus, believes rehabilitation via the court system is the purest form of justice mankind can offer. …which leads us to the Kingpin. What do you do when the court system is in the pocket of a man like Wilson Fisk? Daredevil wrestles with this in season 3. He wrestles with his own evils and his placement in the fight for justice as Daredevil and the evil, men like Wilson Fisk seem to embody. What does it take? What is he? What is law? What is God’s law? What actually is good and evil beyond the concepts of mortal men?
Saying he didn't have a choice he had to do it no he didn't he could have dropped the gun went to the cops and told of the crime he committed and accept his punishment then you truly are deserving of a second chance listening to him cry and whine and beg for his life that's a coward not worth saving
Is small. Is scared. Is not person. Is sheep. Is do what is told. Is no think. Is why evil peoples have so much powah. Is cause easy to control little peoples with fear. Is why when people see big folks, they are even scarier. Big folks no submit to fear. They understand it distraction from truth. o3o
If Punisher met Tony Stark when he was selling weapons he wouldn’t of hesitated to put a bullet in him because of his company selling weapons to terrorists. If he did that there would be no Iron Man so Punisher is definitely not perfect but very understandable
In what version has Tony ever killed innocent people? Frank might just be using Starks weapons himself thus proving Starks point that it's not about the weapons, it's about who uses them and how.
@user-td2jw9ze2c that's exactly why Bruce and Matt don't kill or one of the reasons. They know what it's like to grow up without people in their lives cos of corruption. Matt didn't want to kill Frank, they respected each other, Bruce tried to help Jason he didn't kill the Joker as he'd never stop. Punisher even tells DD this when Matt starts agreeing with him and says: "just this once? Once you cross my side of the line, you don't get to come back from that" then he even pushes him off the boat as much as he disagrees, he respected Matt as well.
@user-td2jw9ze2c they are saving lives bro, "the hardest part of the job is, you can't always save everyone". You gotta persevere and get back up, you can't become corrupt like the rest of the criminals.
To this day one of the best episodes in any television show. The conversation and the battle of morality were stellar. Not to mention the insane level of acting from everyone involved. Daredevil will always be one of the best shows out there, beyond being a marvel show.
This scene is based on a comic where they had this exact exchange but the comic shows both the pros and cons to both of their ideologies. Daredevil:He does a case as Matt Murdock and someone he knows is guilty gets off Scot free thanks to their connections. Punisher:Some teenagers like the punisher’s mindset and decide to “follow” his path which is what they claim but it’s clear they just what to hurt people since the first person they attack is a elderly woman for jay walking and they shoot and kill her. I do love talks between lawful heroes,vigilantes and anti heroes.
The Punisher is nothing like Peacemaker Frank kills criminals to protect people while Peacemaker is a jock asshole who will gladly sacrifice civilians all in the name of what he calls peace
The only similarity is that they kill people, but Punisher doesn’t share his somewhat Fascist ideology. Also, Punisher doesn’t kill kids as far I know. He only kills criminals and not “any man, women, or child to achieve peace.” Castle just simply wants to punish criminals. Honestly, Punisher would probably fucking hate Peacemaker.
We already have more than enough gun crazed maniacs who like to think they're the Punisher as is, mate. All we have to show for it is paranoid shitheads shooting at kids for knocking on their doors and a bunch of right wing cops bastardizing the Skull. The whole point is that this is fiction, and that no good comes from some bloke who decides he has the right to be judge, jury and executioner.
Daredevil only had 1 bullet. If he had shot Frank's gun, he would've just picked it up again and Daredevil wouldn't be able to do anything after that. So, just like what Frank said, it needed to be a headshot.
You still this PoS is still worth saving? I’m not going to shoot him Didn’t really answer his question did it? Matt might have problems sometimes with ideology but still wants to be a good person because it’s not up to him
No, he's a coward...Courage is risking a part of your own soul, evil men will kill for the sake of being evil...Good men can't kill without allowing themselves to become a bit of what they despise, yet they're willing to sacrifice to save those who are defenseless.. It's easy to judge upon high the morality of those who sacrifice, it's sanctimonious and pretentious.
It’s hard not to shoot a man who is evil, on top of that it even hard to give him a chance. It’s pretty easy to shoot someone you despise like nothing. Don’t get me wrong I like punisher and understand where he’s coming from, but Daredevil is the symbol of courage
Writers fumbled. The comics where some line are pulled directly from the firing pin on the gun is gone. Frank as a character wouldn’t have given DD a chance to escape like that. They could’ve played around with Matt’s choice and the morality of it but the title of the show is Daredevil and the title of the comic was Punisher so I’m just happy to see well done adaptations.
No, Wanda was right there next to Ultron in creating Ultron and did not stop him. In the end, evil Zemo and Wanda created a dangerous being that would have come into the world otherwise. They enabled this being to use dangerous weapons and only barely managed to contain him. Blaming it all on Bruce or Tony is a bit much as misplaced, as Ultron was only a few days old at worst. Wanda and Evil Thunderbolt Ross didn't have sufficient guardrails on their experiment, and the world paid the price. Zemo isn’t the issue, you dork. I disagree with your opinion. And nope the Avengers did not create the evil Ultron. Ultron did villain choice not them so buck off kiddo.
Daredevil just came off like a total moron in these “no kill” discussions, rewatch the show and see the SERIOUS physical damage daredevil inflicts upon his opponents. It’s okay to completely paralyze someone buts it’s not okay to kill? Not to mention he is directly responsible for having his family and friends killed because he couldn’t “kill the bad guy”
sHUT UP DUMMY! AND ALSO PUNISHED IS LIKE A TOTAL DUMMY DAREVEIL IS NOT A MORON WATCH YOUR MOUTH. HE ISN'T DIRECTLY RESONBILE FOR HAVING A FAMILY OR FEIRNS SO OF THING. AND ALSO PUNSIHER KILLED OPEL FAMILY MEBRS TOO LOOK IT UP.
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"The kind I make every time I pull the trigger"
Love that line, just shows how much Frank believes in his cause. He knows its "wrong" but he still chooses in 100% good conscious to pull the trigger
Oh you know he wholeheartedly believed in his moral when not even the Penance stare of Ghost Rider worked on Castle.
So he’s a sociopath?
@@radlegofilmz2902 I don't think so. He has empathy and love just not for these criminals. He's just extremely set in his principles and those principles come from someone who's family was gunned down and who constantly sees evil people escape justice
It's maby wrong, but it's optimal
Wtf you mean by wrong? He's doing everything right
I really lile the "what old lady" line he goes from passionate to devil just for a second
The passion in the talking, the drama, the suspense in the moment that frank is about to shoot and Matt doesnt know what to Do, fuck, it gives me goosebumps man
For me its the way Matt pleads for Frank to let him give the guy to the police. He agrees with Frank that these are terrible people but he's begging Frank to not be a murderer and to let the law do the punishing
I just bought the Graphic Novel that this scene was inspired by
It’s a part of the book “welcome back, Frank”
Micro in Punisher 1x01
That one was way more hardcore. Daredevil actually takes the shot, and its blank. Which just proves Franks point. He completely destroys Daredevil on the moral side.
@@Darklarik3 correction, it wasn't blank. Like Frank said in the comic, he removed the firing pin. Not the ammunition.
@@FrancisCastiglione well it’s the same effect.
As frustrated as frank was with matt im pretty sure he still respected him for standing his ground and sticking to his beliefs
Fun Fact: Daredevil is Franks lawyer in the video game.
He was fired in under a minute.
He was also his lawyer in the show
While your comment is 3yrs old. A better fun fact is that only ugly morons think it’s a fun fact since EVERYBODY played that game or has watched walkthroughs. That’s like me saying “fun fact:Robert Downey jr played Ironman”
And in the show
1:58
Daredevil, an illegal vigilante, speaks about the law
Dur the durrrrr
He's more concerned about the villains than the people he is supposed to save and protect
Daredevil the vigilante, Matt Murdoch the lawyer. there is an irony in him. but you gotta love how he is blind like the law
“You still think this piece of shit is worth saving?” Who would after that.
The folks who already have trouble sleeping at night.
@@jacobeestrickland8235 whether or not a person can sleep at night with their conscience has zero bearing on whether or not he was worth saving. Illogical comment
@@ryantogo8359 I guess if you throw human morals out the window, sure.
A hero I'd guess
@@jacobeestrickland8235your "morals" would allow grotto back on the street eventually to kill another innocent. Sounds like you don't have any morals, buddy.
3:00 I absolutely love how Jon says this line for some reason. He IS The Punisher
Same
That look at 3:15. Dare Devil and Punisher bonded for like .1 of a second.
“You’re one bad day from being me!”
0:39: “if you don’t get that there’s something broken in you YOU CANT FIX”
Doesn’t daredevil disprove his own point right there? Is there any “hope” for frank castle to change as a person? Or would the only way for daredevil to truly “stop” the punisher be to murder him? How would daredevil “fix” frank if he’s so far gone?
Then he proceeds to call him insane and that he needs help.
The environment our circumstances create and the nature we are born with sets us on a path that society will ultimately deem as ‘good’ or ‘bad’
All thinking and action are dictated by these factors. No one is truly greater than the momentum of ‘God’s’ or the Universe’s omnipotent dice roll.
So, who are we as ‘man’ to judge and execute based on this logic. It’s Daredevil’s logic: he is a man of faith and thus, believes rehabilitation via the court system is the purest form of justice mankind can offer.
…which leads us to the Kingpin. What do you do when the court system is in the pocket of a man like Wilson Fisk? Daredevil wrestles with this in season 3. He wrestles with his own evils and his placement in the fight for justice as Daredevil and the evil, men like Wilson Fisk seem to embody. What does it take? What is he? What is law? What is God’s law? What actually is good and evil beyond the concepts of mortal men?
Saying he didn't have a choice he had to do it no he didn't he could have dropped the gun went to the cops and told of the crime he committed and accept his punishment then you truly are deserving of a second chance listening to him cry and whine and beg for his life that's a coward not worth saving
The people he was working for would still have killed him. He was a dead man either way.
Is small. Is scared. Is not person. Is sheep. Is do what is told. Is no think. Is why evil peoples have so much powah. Is cause easy to control little peoples with fear. Is why when people see big folks, they are even scarier. Big folks no submit to fear. They understand it distraction from truth. o3o
@@fishdish9835 take your meds
This might be one of the best conversations in any marvel media
Grotto just killed an innocent lady.
Yep.
This whole episode is SOOO FKIN GOOD
I came back here to remember DD before he got watered down on She Hulk
Time will tell when be is born again
I love the way . Even tho he is about to get tackled, he still shoots the guy so he won't get away. Complete commitment to his ideology
If Punisher met Tony Stark when he was selling weapons he wouldn’t of hesitated to put a bullet in him because of his company selling weapons to terrorists. If he did that there would be no Iron Man so Punisher is definitely not perfect but very understandable
Tony didn't know they were being sold to terrorists, einstein. So frank wouldn't have killed him. Now Obadiah on the other hand...
He was selling weapons to terrorists cough American military cough@@ryantogo8359
In what version has Tony ever killed innocent people? Frank might just be using Starks weapons himself thus proving Starks point that it's not about the weapons, it's about who uses them and how.
Peak television right here
Matt nor Bruce never showed this energy when villains did this
They didn't kill Jason or Frank tho lmao. I do think Joker needs put in the ground but a lot of the men that Punisher kills could be rehabilitated.
@@safcjoe7062 they still show more concern about the criminals than their victims, what about the widows and orphans of the people they killed?
@user-td2jw9ze2c that's exactly why Bruce and Matt don't kill or one of the reasons. They know what it's like to grow up without people in their lives cos of corruption. Matt didn't want to kill Frank, they respected each other, Bruce tried to help Jason he didn't kill the Joker as he'd never stop. Punisher even tells DD this when Matt starts agreeing with him and says: "just this once? Once you cross my side of the line, you don't get to come back from that" then he even pushes him off the boat as much as he disagrees, he respected Matt as well.
@@safcjoe7062 so proving a point is more important than saving lives?
@user-td2jw9ze2c they are saving lives bro, "the hardest part of the job is, you can't always save everyone". You gotta persevere and get back up, you can't become corrupt like the rest of the criminals.
To this day one of the best episodes in any television show. The conversation and the battle of morality were stellar. Not to mention the insane level of acting from everyone involved. Daredevil will always be one of the best shows out there, beyond being a marvel show.
This scene is based on a comic where they had this exact exchange but the comic shows both the pros and cons to both of their ideologies.
Daredevil:He does a case as Matt Murdock and someone he knows is guilty gets off Scot free thanks to their connections.
Punisher:Some teenagers like the punisher’s mindset and decide to “follow” his path which is what they claim but it’s clear they just what to hurt people since the first person they attack is a elderly woman for jay walking and they shoot and kill her.
I do love talks between lawful heroes,vigilantes and anti heroes.
@@TrentonDoucette That’s actually pretty sick I like that a lot, I kinda wanna read that comic story
@@dyllanrodriguez2828 It’s from the punisher volume 3 2000
Punisher saw Daredevil running at him after shooting the chains and genuinely had fear for one of the only times
Damn, if Disney hadn't bought 20th Century FOX, this show may still be going on.
Wow scene.
All it takes is Ond bad day...
Unbelievebly handsome
Lolwot
Punisher was trying to push daredevil to break his moral code.
the similarities between punisher and peacemaker…
The Punisher is nothing like Peacemaker Frank kills criminals to protect people while Peacemaker is a jock asshole who will gladly sacrifice civilians all in the name of what he calls peace
The only similarity is that they kill people, but Punisher doesn’t share his somewhat Fascist ideology. Also, Punisher doesn’t kill kids as far I know. He only kills criminals and not “any man, women, or child to achieve peace.” Castle just simply wants to punish criminals. Honestly, Punisher would probably fucking hate Peacemaker.
@@tiger_lord305 I think he'll simply hate the whole Squad.
@@thepunisher326 punisher kills out of rage and hatred
Peacemaker kills out of sadistic altruism
@@brothersofwrath4785 true
But the punisher doesn't put civilians in harms way
This is why Frank was in the secret avengers during the civil war story in the comics.
I think I'm with the punisher on this one, there is people in this world that deserves to be dead.
Then you are a villain.
@@JackandNinaZina121-lx8ewnOoOo yoU aRe Not A suPer pUpeR HeRo oooOoogh
@@JackandNinaZina121-lx8ewyou really think someone like say Kingpin or the Joker dont deserve death?
You are no different from them.
@@MinaZhu-Tsubaki5386-wd8fq No it's actually incredibly different.
The US needs a punisher now more than ever
We already have more than enough gun crazed maniacs who like to think they're the Punisher as is, mate. All we have to show for it is paranoid shitheads shooting at kids for knocking on their doors and a bunch of right wing cops bastardizing the Skull. The whole point is that this is fiction, and that no good comes from some bloke who decides he has the right to be judge, jury and executioner.
Why did punisher look scared when daredevil was running at him😂
He looks more shocked than scared and at the same time he screams, to fill himself with adrenaline to tank the possible hits
He does that to boost his adrenaline
Oh so ur admitting now? XD 3:46
Daredevil could've shot at Punishers gun lol.
Hard for a blind man to make that kind of accurate shot. I don’t think that even his super hearing will help him make that shot
@@Jknight416 You clearly don't understand Daredevil's power lol. Yes he most definitely can. But I get the show runners needed a dramatic moment.
Punisher would've just picked up another
@@stuffthings9618 you clearly don’t understand the punisher if you think that’d be the only gun he had on him lmao
Daredevil only had 1 bullet. If he had shot Frank's gun, he would've just picked it up again and Daredevil wouldn't be able to do anything after that. So, just like what Frank said, it needed to be a headshot.
You still this PoS is still worth saving?
I’m not going to shoot him
Didn’t really answer his question did it?
Matt might have problems sometimes with ideology but still wants to be a good person because it’s not up to him
No, he's a coward...Courage is risking a part of your own soul, evil men will kill for the sake of being evil...Good men can't kill without allowing themselves to become a bit of what they despise, yet they're willing to sacrifice to save those who are defenseless.. It's easy to judge upon high the morality of those who sacrifice, it's sanctimonious and pretentious.
@@colinkillian9265 not for the sake of being evil, but for the sake of profit. Everything elesethough, couldn't have said better myself
@@colinkillian9265if we can't be better how can we prove the "evil" ones wrong, daredevil the goat for standing on his beliefs.
It’s hard not to shoot a man who is evil, on top of that it even hard to give him a chance. It’s pretty easy to shoot someone you despise like nothing. Don’t get me wrong I like punisher and understand where he’s coming from, but Daredevil is the symbol of courage
who is the guy that Grotto kill, can someone explain
Some hit he was ordered to kill sounds like
He killed Elaine the old woman who died in season 1
Daredevil is stupid I don't get his logic
this triggering so much
hope your well friend
how?
Shut up snowflake you've never been in a situation like this.
@@REDEEMERWOLF Shut up snowflake you don't know nothin about nothin
Is this a pun lol
Its not insane if it works
Writers fumbled. The comics where some line are pulled directly from the firing pin on the gun is gone. Frank as a character wouldn’t have given DD a chance to escape like that. They could’ve played around with Matt’s choice and the morality of it but the title of the show is Daredevil and the title of the comic was Punisher so I’m just happy to see well done adaptations.
Daredevil is right.
No, Wanda was right there next to Ultron in creating Ultron and did not stop him. In the end, evil Zemo and Wanda created a dangerous being that would have come into the world otherwise. They enabled this being to use dangerous weapons and only barely managed to contain him. Blaming it all on Bruce or Tony is a bit much as misplaced, as Ultron was only a few days old at worst. Wanda and Evil Thunderbolt Ross didn't have sufficient guardrails on their experiment, and the world paid the price. Zemo isn’t the issue, you dork. I disagree with your opinion. And nope the Avengers did not create the evil Ultron. Ultron did villain choice not them so buck off kiddo.
Riverdale
PUNISHER is always right
Nope Punisher is always half wrong
Daredevil is always right.
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Daredevil is right Frankie is no different then a evil villain.
Daredevil just came off like a total moron in these “no kill” discussions, rewatch the show and see the SERIOUS physical damage daredevil inflicts upon his opponents. It’s okay to completely paralyze someone buts it’s not okay to kill? Not to mention he is directly responsible for having his family and friends killed because he couldn’t “kill the bad guy”
sHUT UP DUMMY! AND ALSO PUNISHED IS LIKE A TOTAL DUMMY DAREVEIL IS NOT A MORON WATCH YOUR MOUTH. HE ISN'T DIRECTLY RESONBILE FOR HAVING A FAMILY OR FEIRNS SO OF THING. AND ALSO PUNSIHER KILLED OPEL FAMILY MEBRS TOO LOOK IT UP.
Explain
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Daredevil is right.