I've literally learned everything I know thanks to you man, so many years of great knowledge. Could you make a tutorial on maybe mixing or mastering orchestral songs? For film, TV or videogame scoring!
I'm surprised about how much the Drive changes the overall tone.. Specially on the snare and kick. Very nice tune. And it is a quite too old vid but maybe my comment will be read. That thing about the limiter being before the transients and clipper, as Josh said "It's quite genius".. Well, Dan Gillespie, the designer and founder of Newfangled Audio is a genius. And this idea might have come from his determination to "never do a plugin that emulates anything vintage".. As the very name of his company says, right? So...he is thinking about what the audio needs and has a tone of resources, but most important is that his thinking is not limited by the old designs that might have been limited by tech of the old times, and then these design ideas became embedded in the minds of the new DSP. So, starting with his mission, let's call it that way, he opened the door to come up with this genius idea that actually "makes a lot of sense". I love the guy's work.
Man you're really really talented at this. Sounds great. But you definitely want to check some references when it comes to loudness because no big records are anywhere close to -14. -14 is bizarre pseudoscience like 432hz. Most big records are way louder than -10 too. Some of them are all the way up at -4, and you're really selling yourself short here tbh.
I master to the record/song, not a loudness standard, or a loudness reference. A rock song is very different than an EDM track, or an acoustic track for example. I mix and master every day for a living, and I've rarely gone beyond -8 LUFS unless the artist specifically asks for their tracks to be slammed (in the case of a few electronic artists I've mastered). -14 LUFS is not pseudoscience either, it's literally the standard that Spotify asks for streaming, to make sure the volume of your track isn't pulled down when you submit to them. But leaving even more dynamic range might be suitable for acoustic music, say round -16 LUFS with very few peaks limited. Pulled straight from the Spotify website: "A track that is very dynamic but mastered to -14 dB LUFS will have its peak levels preserved when played on Spotify. If you compare that to a loudly mastered track, at - 6 dB LUFS for example, its peaks get lowered to - 8 dB LUFS. The two tracks will play back at the same perceived loudness level, but the loud or “peak” parts of the more dynamic track will be much louder." There are several other streaming services out there, and they all have different standards, sure, but I choose to not crush my tracks, when I can.
@@MusicTechHelpGuy More dynamic is not inherently better. A lot of rock mixes sound way more consistent, energetic, and full, with then they are more slammed/squeezed, even if the songs are pulled back down. Also going below -14 is a TERRIBLE idea because then spotify engages their own limiter to increase your lufs and it's a pretty nasty sounding one. Do what you want man, it's your career, but maybe, just maybe, when every single mixer that consistently tops the charts for their genre is louder, maybe they aren't all wrong. Maybe people like that.
@@Robangledorf I've never heard a master sound "better" when it's slammed beyond - 10 LUFS, at least not to my ears. I run my masters through a legit mastering compressor before I even get to the limiter stage. That's where the consistency and energy comes from -- not the limiter. I don't know why you keep trying to pin - 14 LUFS on me, like I'm some mastering purist with my head still stuck in the 70s.... I just said that I master to the song. In most cases, I push the loudness as far as I can without losing clarity, which for an EDM track with a pretty sparse instrumentation, might turn out to be - 8 LUFS. For a rock track with lots of layering, might be - 10. but in some cases, like folk and acoustic music (like a simple finger style guitar and vocal), it's completely uncalled for to go beyond - 14 LUFS in any way shape or form -- it ends up sounding like there's no dynamic, and all of your transients in the guitar get rounded out. Like I said, I've never had a problem with Spotify changing the volume of my masters, or limiting my masters. (Also, if you're comparing the volume of this video to another master, keep in mind that the musical examples in this video have been lowered by about 15% to match the level of my voice, so the examples might seem a bit quieter than they sound in real life. I try the match the loudness of my voice and my musical examples in all of my videos.) I used to master live concerts and classical music for a living for 2 years straight, I did about 7-10 a week, sometimes upwards of 20 on busy weeks. Classical music NEEDs dynamics, if you limit that stuff hard, people complain that there's no dynamics. What I'm saying is that you're making a blanket statement that does not apply to all genres of music -- it's very genre specific, and it also depends on what the client wants. If I mastered a classical record at -10 LUFS that would be a terrible idea, most were done around -16. Inversely, If I mastered a rock track at -14 that would also be deemed too quiet. Again, I don't do things just one way, I master to the song. I've been doing this for 15 years, and yes, standards change over time and I have adapted to them as necessary. All I know is in 15 year of doing this, my clients are consistently happy with my work, and keep coming back to me, and can keep paying my bills and doing this for a living full time. If your clients are happy with -4 LUFS masters, then keep doing that man. I haven't had a single client yet ask me to push things that far.
@@MusicTechHelpGuy I think it depends on what we want to do with the song. Maybe your clients want only to upload their songs on youtube, spotify and other similar platforms. When they want to release a physical cd, they will always want to sound somewhere at -7, or -6 integrated LUFS...even at -5 maybe, because that's how the cds are made for years...We can debate if this is a good thing or not (probably not) but one thing it's shure, for physical releases like CD, you have to go far...and as far as I know, this plugin can't do that...
Clear and concise. Thanks for putting this together!
I've literally learned everything I know thanks to you man, so many years of great knowledge. Could you make a tutorial on maybe mixing or mastering orchestral songs? For film, TV or videogame scoring!
Fantastic job mixing/mastering and musicianship! DEFINITELY rocks!!
Ok, after watching several videos on elevate this is the one that sold it to me. Thank you very much for the video!
Great review. Besides this track is very good!!!! Perfect balans of hardness for me.
Hey can you please do a tutorial on how to get a perfect -6dB mixdown with gain staging on Logic Pro X?
Bro just gave away the secrets to the universe
I'm surprised about how much the Drive changes the overall tone.. Specially on the snare and kick. Very nice tune.
And it is a quite too old vid but maybe my comment will be read. That thing about the limiter being before the transients and clipper, as Josh said "It's quite genius".. Well, Dan Gillespie, the designer and founder of Newfangled Audio is a genius. And this idea might have come from his determination to "never do a plugin that emulates anything vintage".. As the very name of his company says, right? So...he is thinking about what the audio needs and has a tone of resources, but most important is that his thinking is not limited by the old designs that might have been limited by tech of the old times, and then these design ideas became embedded in the minds of the new DSP. So, starting with his mission, let's call it that way, he opened the door to come up with this genius idea that actually "makes a lot of sense". I love the guy's work.
What is this song? This song is crazy good. I want it!
Inner Lies by Right Stripped. The new album will be released next month hopefully.
@@MusicTechHelpGuy I find this old live th-cam.com/video/rjGewxLJoZw/w-d-xo.html
That’s it lol. 15 year old song we re recorded
Transient/clipper and limiter sections are in parallel
i would pay you a lot of money, if you could tell me the reverb trick on that vocal! very cool!
Thank you so much!
NICE
Here after yashraj mukate
Man you're really really talented at this. Sounds great. But you definitely want to check some references when it comes to loudness because no big records are anywhere close to -14. -14 is bizarre pseudoscience like 432hz. Most big records are way louder than -10 too. Some of them are all the way up at -4, and you're really selling yourself short here tbh.
I master to the record/song, not a loudness standard, or a loudness reference. A rock song is very different than an EDM track, or an acoustic track for example. I mix and master every day for a living, and I've rarely gone beyond -8 LUFS unless the artist specifically asks for their tracks to be slammed (in the case of a few electronic artists I've mastered). -14 LUFS is not pseudoscience either, it's literally the standard that Spotify asks for streaming, to make sure the volume of your track isn't pulled down when you submit to them. But leaving even more dynamic range might be suitable for acoustic music, say round -16 LUFS with very few peaks limited.
Pulled straight from the Spotify website: "A track that is very dynamic but mastered to -14 dB LUFS will have its peak levels preserved when played on Spotify. If you compare that to a loudly mastered track, at - 6 dB LUFS for example, its peaks get lowered to - 8 dB LUFS. The two tracks will play back at the same perceived loudness level, but the loud or “peak” parts of the more dynamic track will be much louder." There are several other streaming services out there, and they all have different standards, sure, but I choose to not crush my tracks, when I can.
@@MusicTechHelpGuy More dynamic is not inherently better. A lot of rock mixes sound way more consistent, energetic, and full, with then they are more slammed/squeezed, even if the songs are pulled back down.
Also going below -14 is a TERRIBLE idea because then spotify engages their own limiter to increase your lufs and it's a pretty nasty sounding one. Do what you want man, it's your career, but maybe, just maybe, when every single mixer that consistently tops the charts for their genre is louder, maybe they aren't all wrong. Maybe people like that.
@@Robangledorf I've never heard a master sound "better" when it's slammed beyond - 10 LUFS, at least not to my ears. I run my masters through a legit mastering compressor before I even get to the limiter stage. That's where the consistency and energy comes from -- not the limiter.
I don't know why you keep trying to pin - 14 LUFS on me, like I'm some mastering purist with my head still stuck in the 70s.... I just said that I master to the song. In most cases, I push the loudness as far as I can without losing clarity, which for an EDM track with a pretty sparse instrumentation, might turn out to be - 8 LUFS. For a rock track with lots of layering, might be - 10. but in some cases, like folk and acoustic music (like a simple finger style guitar and vocal), it's completely uncalled for to go beyond - 14 LUFS in any way shape or form -- it ends up sounding like there's no dynamic, and all of your transients in the guitar get rounded out. Like I said, I've never had a problem with Spotify changing the volume of my masters, or limiting my masters.
(Also, if you're comparing the volume of this video to another master, keep in mind that the musical examples in this video have been lowered by about 15% to match the level of my voice, so the examples might seem a bit quieter than they sound in real life. I try the match the loudness of my voice and my musical examples in all of my videos.)
I used to master live concerts and classical music for a living for 2 years straight, I did about 7-10 a week, sometimes upwards of 20 on busy weeks. Classical music NEEDs dynamics, if you limit that stuff hard, people complain that there's no dynamics. What I'm saying is that you're making a blanket statement that does not apply to all genres of music -- it's very genre specific, and it also depends on what the client wants. If I mastered a classical record at -10 LUFS that would be a terrible idea, most were done around -16. Inversely, If I mastered a rock track at -14 that would also be deemed too quiet. Again, I don't do things just one way, I master to the song.
I've been doing this for 15 years, and yes, standards change over time and I have adapted to them as necessary. All I know is in 15 year of doing this, my clients are consistently happy with my work, and keep coming back to me, and can keep paying my bills and doing this for a living full time. If your clients are happy with -4 LUFS masters, then keep doing that man. I haven't had a single client yet ask me to push things that far.
@@MusicTechHelpGuy I think it depends on what we want to do with the song. Maybe your clients want only to upload their songs on youtube, spotify and other similar platforms. When they want to release a physical cd, they will always want to sound somewhere at -7, or -6 integrated LUFS...even at -5 maybe, because that's how the cds are made for years...We can debate if this is a good thing or not (probably not) but one thing it's shure, for physical releases like CD, you have to go far...and as far as I know, this plugin can't do that...