Regardless of what anyone says, time is always the ultimate judge. If a franchise is still getting new fans a decade or so after the initial hype, it means that it either did something unique or that it's still the best in it's niche.
Like Spec Ops: The Line and Touhou. For the former, there are people who still talk about it to this day, probably because it's the only military shooter that's ballsy enough to include criticisms about the premise of military shooters in general. For the latter, I think I've said a lot about it already. It started in 1995 with HRtP and exploded in 2002 with EoSD. To this day it attracts a lot of newcomers with the game's story and fanworks (including by companies). I know Shmup fans scream about how it's 'not a real Shmup', but then again they think the only real Shmups are the ones that are like CAVE (legendary Shmup developer and, ironically enough, one of the aforementioned companies as of 2023!) and the non-Touhou Shmup genre fell into the same pitfall as the RTS - focusing too much on sweatlords and alienating the casuals - and still refuses to get out of it.
@@DOGEELLL And that's because they're so focused on gameplay perfection at the expense of everything else, essentially catering to the minority of a minority of a minority. I bought AoE4 but didn't play it beyond the Campaign and a few AI Skirmishes because I KNOW I'll never be good enough for Multiplayer which it seems to be focused on. They don't have to be casual to attract an audience, they just need a reason to care about them beyond their core gameplay. Remember that the RTSes of old had a lot of custom campaigns built with them, some of which spawned entire genres. Touhou was probably the only one that has that aspect out of all the Shmups because of its world, characters, and music, otherwise we wouldn't have Touhou fangames in non-Shmup genres (including The Touhou Empires).
This makes me reflect on how I appreciate Jojo which I know is not for everyone. It took quite some time for parts to be adapted into anime, failed in the past, and the pacing isn't consistent but I still looked forward to each next part because it was memorable.
Speaking of hype, remember when everyone used to consider Arcane the “best animated show ever”? Then season two came out and the hype feels even less compared to something like Dandadan.
Yeah a lot of people (me included) felt like Season 2 was too rushed and the had too many different plotlines in the time we were given. Now I just consider it a great animated show instead of one of the best
Honestly, I was going to predict Sakamoto Days to be the next 'hype show' but apparently people are hating on it because it doesn't have Demonslayer or JJK level animation
@@Ash_Wen-li that's so sad It's not even a bad anime,but of course people only care about animation for an anime Their logic is literally "If I watch an anime,I want it to be good looking. If it's not,then it has no purpose. I will just go and read the manga instead" Well,Sakamoto Days is the only anime I'm interested in for the next season
Solo Leveling was always recognized as mid storytelling wish fulfillment with cool action Imo Frieren and Apothecary Diaries are shows that people still care about after time has passed
@@Grudgebearer47Yeah I was debating on mentioning that one too. It took a while to pick up steam though so a lot were slow on the uptake Funnily enough all 3 aired in the same season as Solo Leveling
Exactly. Korean webtoons feel like mass produced AI made garbo, despite not being AI. SL sticks out only because of better than average art. Otherwise it's the same soulles power fantasy. For me reading that kind of stuff is a torture, never got past 10 chapter, they all feel and even look the same. Nowdays I don't even click on something like SSSSS class lvl 99999 immortal ultimate swordsman who can't level up because he's the strongest or smth. I don't know how Snob survived reading Nano Machine. Probably plot armor
Modern Japanese anime may be slop and I may despise it... But as exploitative and mediocre as it is, it still has way more personality and exuberance than the Korean stuff, in an artistic standpoint. It's noticeable when comparing the chara-designs, costume-designs or screenplays.
Hmm. Ive been watching Digimon Adventure recently and its surprisingly so well written for a 90s kid show. I know people have always said the Digimon anime was better than Pokémon but I had to see for myself since Ive only played the Digimon World and Story games. I hear people say Tamers was even better so I guess Digimon has staying power despite its severe lack of popularity compared to Pokemid. I'll probably end up showing my future kids these shows.
When it comes to Digimon vs Pokemon animes: Digimon >>> Pokemon. Even as a kids I end up dropping Pokemon very early on, like around the first soft reboot or something. Digimon at least have the balls to try something new each time while pokemon just embrace a status quo, I mean it took like 20 or so years of Ash being forever 10yo and more episodes than One Piece to become a champion... My ranking of the Digimon series is: Tamer > Adventure >> Frontier > Savers > Xros >> 02 >>>>>>>>> Adventure 2020
@@ThatAnimeSnob I think i've been granted with forbidden knowledge and now i'm condemned to go insane because of the abysmally depressing implications. Thanks Snob
Hype of corse isn’t everything, but it does have the power to bring people to a series and boost its success if used correctly. Even if some of these anime/manga don’t make a lasting impression on us or the industry, they can still be good sources of entertainment and inspiration.
@ I just wanted to let you and everyone else know that I never wanted to start whatever happened in the last comment section I was in. So I decided to leave this comment as both a positive outlook on the current situation of the anime/manga community, and as an apology for my earlier behavior. I hope you, Snob, and the rest of you can forgive me.
@@wendylacey2745 There is nothing to apologize about, miss Lacey. Be at ease. And to be fair, many of us, I included, are consummate trash talkers. If you ever feel bad about yourself, take a look at that raging contrarian known as falcovsleon. And don't get me started about that pretentious Essay-kun guy writing Harvard thesis on time reset Isekai harems 😂
This is so true. I used to watch series on burnt CDs all i could watch was what the movie man had for sale and what kid me could afford. Sunk cost fallacy made me watch series i didn't even like twice.
The foremost problem is still the prevalence of seperated cours imo. JJK and Demon Slayer would not be nearly as popular as they were if they were just 12 episodes. Dandadan, Jigokuraku, Dorohedoro, Chainsaw man (already had a very popular manga too), Solo leveling, Kaijuu No. 8. Easiest way to have more staying power is to give people the easiest reason to talk about it for longer. Some shows just simply need it more too.
That reminded me of something that happened to me a few days ago, one of my pages where I watch classic animes I just added Ashita no Joe (although only the first part) and I invited my brother to watch it together, but then my brother told me that it reminded him of Megalo Box, and I genuinely couldn't remember that series despite boast of having a good memory.
Megalobox is the 50th year anniversary tribute to Ashita no Joe Season 1 of Megalobox was ok, nothing too special. Season 2 was very good from a character writing perspective but it doesn't hit the same beats a shounen sports anime watcher would like
Man you need to make long videos where you talk about some things that you talk about in these short videos. Perhaps make a video about why most anime writing is trash, or generic anime.
Who would of thought that a trash power fantasy with the most generic MC and literally zero moments that you would remember would get forgotten as soon as it ends? Also the artwork is incredibly overrated, more overrated than solo levelings trash story
when I watch shows from 80s-90s, and realized its a goldmine of weird, quirky, unusual forgotten anime gems. The industry was truly "experimenting" with all kinds of genres, settings, characters unlike nowadays. These days studios want to remain safe strategy, or whatever gets the most viewers and hype
Dracula: Sovereign of the Damned MD Geist Garzey’s Wing Chargeman Ken Now and Then, Here and There (Snob hated this one too) ZZ Gundam Victory Gundam (he also hated these two) Dark Cat Virgin Fleet Wild Cardz Akane‘s High Kick Junk Boy Jungle De Ikou Agent Aika Genocyber Mad Bull 34 Shoujo Tsubaki This is not even an exhaustive list, but all these anime were released before the year 2000 and I don’t see anyone going to bat for these titles. I don’t mean to be rude, but anime didn’t just suddenly get worse ten years after you entered the world. Even Petros had to move his own goalposts to call Gantz retro, even though he called it edgy trash ten years ago. But if he’s calling the 2000’s retro now, I guess that means he likes Lucky Star now. It’s what he gets for making sweepingly vague statements. I personally can’t wait for ten more years to pass before he calls Sword Art Online an underrated masterpiece.
Solo levelling first two episodes reminds me of yes go go precure with a good two part special and thats about it I wouldnt pirate the rest of the season unless i was paid a million dollars
Don't put DanDaDan along Solo Leveling, DiddlyDaDan is actually decent to good, a fine 6,7/10, SL is a poorly made self insert and actually what anime elitists claim JJK and Demon Slayer supposedly are. And people like them cause... It's subjetive, pretty hard to know which anime are gonna be Big and which aren't.
Dandadan’s biggest problem is the creepy fanservice. Ditch that and it would be a pretty refreshing and fun shonen amongst a sea of mediocrities. Show should have just been (dubbed) ghost stories except focusing on aliens rather than shoving in a bunch of ecchi scenes.
@@giornogiostar3214 Dandadan is just another generic shockvalue anime with gags, and a beta main character which has been done 1000 times in other trash animes. Its not better or worse than SL they both try to appeal to lobotomized children.
@@WieldMyWord If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Most anime/manga are received pretty well by critics and the companies that make them. I don’t consider things like that trash.
Regardless of what anyone says, time is always the ultimate judge. If a franchise is still getting new fans a decade or so after the initial hype, it means that it either did something unique or that it's still the best in it's niche.
Like Spec Ops: The Line and Touhou.
For the former, there are people who still talk about it to this day, probably because it's the only military shooter that's ballsy enough to include criticisms about the premise of military shooters in general.
For the latter, I think I've said a lot about it already. It started in 1995 with HRtP and exploded in 2002 with EoSD. To this day it attracts a lot of newcomers with the game's story and fanworks (including by companies). I know Shmup fans scream about how it's 'not a real Shmup', but then again they think the only real Shmups are the ones that are like CAVE (legendary Shmup developer and, ironically enough, one of the aforementioned companies as of 2023!) and the non-Touhou Shmup genre fell into the same pitfall as the RTS - focusing too much on sweatlords and alienating the casuals - and still refuses to get out of it.
Why would RTS and shmup turn casual? They are the last standing hardcore gaming genre at this point @@IllusionistsBane
@@DOGEELLL And that's because they're so focused on gameplay perfection at the expense of everything else, essentially catering to the minority of a minority of a minority.
I bought AoE4 but didn't play it beyond the Campaign and a few AI Skirmishes because I KNOW I'll never be good enough for Multiplayer which it seems to be focused on.
They don't have to be casual to attract an audience, they just need a reason to care about them beyond their core gameplay. Remember that the RTSes of old had a lot of custom campaigns built with them, some of which spawned entire genres. Touhou was probably the only one that has that aspect out of all the Shmups because of its world, characters, and music, otherwise we wouldn't have Touhou fangames in non-Shmup genres (including The Touhou Empires).
This makes me reflect on how I appreciate Jojo which I know is not for everyone.
It took quite some time for parts to be adapted into anime, failed in the past, and the pacing isn't consistent
but I still looked forward to each next part because it was memorable.
Speaking of hype, remember when everyone used to consider Arcane the “best animated show ever”? Then season two came out and the hype feels even less compared to something like Dandadan.
That's because Season 2 ruined everything Great about Season 1 and just became an inconsistent shipping mess.
Yeah a lot of people (me included) felt like Season 2 was too rushed and the had too many different plotlines in the time we were given.
Now I just consider it a great animated show instead of one of the best
It was garbage only shit taste hyped it up
Minus ep 7 that felt fairly paced and well made the rest was practically a noxious setup with a retcon that makes characters non cannon just cause
You know this anime is forgetful when you remember the abridged version more than the original
Remember next anime season to get hype for more anime that will get popular and people grazing it for high heaven and sequels.
Honestly, I was going to predict Sakamoto Days to be the next 'hype show' but apparently people are hating on it because it doesn't have Demonslayer or JJK level animation
@@Ash_Wen-li that's so sad
It's not even a bad anime,but of course people only care about animation for an anime
Their logic is literally "If I watch an anime,I want it to be good looking. If it's not,then it has no purpose. I will just go and read the manga instead"
Well,Sakamoto Days is the only anime I'm interested in for the next season
Solo Leveling was always recognized as mid storytelling wish fulfillment with cool action
Imo Frieren and Apothecary Diaries are shows that people still care about after time has passed
Also dungeon meshi. Even non-anime fans still talk about that show.
@@Grudgebearer47Yeah I was debating on mentioning that one too. It took a while to pick up steam though so a lot were slow on the uptake
Funnily enough all 3 aired in the same season as Solo Leveling
the trailer for the next season of Apothecary Diaries dropped a few days ago :)
@@Grudgebearer47 lol non-anime watchers don't know what that generic show is XD
Apothecary is unfortunately just not good though, even if Maomao is pretty neat.
Exactly. Korean webtoons feel like mass produced AI made garbo, despite not being AI. SL sticks out only because of better than average art. Otherwise it's the same soulles power fantasy. For me reading that kind of stuff is a torture, never got past 10 chapter, they all feel and even look the same. Nowdays I don't even click on something like SSSSS class lvl 99999 immortal ultimate swordsman who can't level up because he's the strongest or smth. I don't know how Snob survived reading Nano Machine. Probably plot armor
Have you read Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint? That's the next 'Solo Leveling' people are preemptively hyping up
@@Ash_Wen-li I dropped it at first like at chapter 10 or so, but give it a second chance just because the art, decent read overall...
Modern Japanese anime may be slop and I may despise it... But as exploitative and mediocre as it is, it still has way more personality and exuberance than the Korean stuff, in an artistic standpoint. It's noticeable when comparing the chara-designs, costume-designs or screenplays.
@@nozoto Yeah, I'll take even MHA over korean webtoons any day. At least it feels like an actual person did it, not a robot
@@Ash_Wen-li I just avoid anything korean at this point, especially if people are hyping it up ;)
Hmm. Ive been watching Digimon Adventure recently and its surprisingly so well written for a 90s kid show. I know people have always said the Digimon anime was better than Pokémon but I had to see for myself since Ive only played the Digimon World and Story games. I hear people say Tamers was even better so I guess Digimon has staying power despite its severe lack of popularity compared to Pokemid. I'll probably end up showing my future kids these shows.
When it comes to Digimon vs Pokemon animes: Digimon >>> Pokemon.
Even as a kids I end up dropping Pokemon very early on, like around the first soft reboot or something.
Digimon at least have the balls to try something new each time while pokemon just embrace a status quo, I mean it took like 20 or so years of Ash being forever 10yo and more episodes than One Piece to become a champion...
My ranking of the Digimon series is: Tamer > Adventure >> Frontier > Savers > Xros >> 02 >>>>>>>>> Adventure 2020
Mmm, I think Summer Wars aged pretty well, by the same director from Digimon Our War Game I think.
I remember as a kid watching Digimon the movie, it was in my nostalgia experience
Fuckin awesome
It's totally the embodiment of the 2000s
@@copperfield42huh? When did Pokémon do a soft reboot of the anime?
@@chaserseven2886I think he was referring to when Ash basically 'starts' over and gets a new team every region. Or when Misty left
So, it's impossible for anything to become memorable, now that the internet exists and the majority of humanity has now acces to it?
yes
@@ThatAnimeSnob I think i've been granted with forbidden knowledge and now i'm condemned to go insane because of the abysmally depressing implications. Thanks Snob
Hype of corse isn’t everything, but it does have the power to bring people to a series and boost its success if used correctly. Even if some of these anime/manga don’t make a lasting impression on us or the industry, they can still be good sources of entertainment and inspiration.
I take you choose to stay in this channel then, well I hope you enjoy your stay...
@ I just wanted to let you and everyone else know that I never wanted to start whatever happened in the last comment section I was in. So I decided to leave this comment as both a positive outlook on the current situation of the anime/manga community, and as an apology for my earlier behavior. I hope you, Snob, and the rest of you can forgive me.
@@wendylacey2745 just dont bring up trash piece again
@@WieldMyWord If you quit it with the name calling I might consider it.
@@wendylacey2745
There is nothing to apologize about, miss Lacey. Be at ease. And to be fair, many of us, I included, are consummate trash talkers. If you ever feel bad about yourself, take a look at that raging contrarian known as falcovsleon. And don't get me started about that pretentious Essay-kun guy writing Harvard thesis on time reset Isekai harems
😂
This is so true. I used to watch series on burnt CDs all i could watch was what the movie man had for sale and what kid me could afford. Sunk cost fallacy made me watch series i didn't even like twice.
The foremost problem is still the prevalence of seperated cours imo. JJK and Demon Slayer would not be nearly as popular as they were if they were just 12 episodes.
Dandadan, Jigokuraku, Dorohedoro, Chainsaw man (already had a very popular manga too), Solo leveling, Kaijuu No. 8.
Easiest way to have more staying power is to give people the easiest reason to talk about it for longer. Some shows just simply need it more too.
Prime Example: Re:Zero when it aired in 2016. It hit like a bomb when it came out and you could not escape it for over half a year....
That reminded me of something that happened to me a few days ago, one of my pages where I watch classic animes I just added Ashita no Joe (although only the first part) and I invited my brother to watch it together, but then my brother told me that it reminded him of Megalo Box, and I genuinely couldn't remember that series despite boast of having a good memory.
Megalobox is the 50th year anniversary tribute to Ashita no Joe
Season 1 of Megalobox was ok, nothing too special. Season 2 was very good from a character writing perspective but it doesn't hit the same beats a shounen sports anime watcher would like
Man you need to make long videos where you talk about some things that you talk about in these short videos. Perhaps make a video about why most anime writing is trash, or generic anime.
I did, there are long playlists if you bothered to check them
Who would of thought that a trash power fantasy with the most generic MC and literally zero moments that you would remember would get forgotten as soon as it ends? Also the artwork is incredibly overrated, more overrated than solo levelings trash story
Once again Retro>>>>Modern
when I watch shows from 80s-90s, and realized its a goldmine of weird, quirky, unusual forgotten anime gems. The industry was truly "experimenting" with all kinds of genres, settings, characters unlike nowadays. These days studios want to remain safe strategy, or whatever gets the most viewers and hype
Woah, what a unique opinion for this channel I never heard this one before…….sarcasm!
Care to join me watching retro B-movie?
Dracula: Sovereign of the Damned
MD Geist
Garzey’s Wing
Chargeman Ken
Now and Then, Here and There (Snob hated this one too)
ZZ Gundam
Victory Gundam (he also hated these two)
Dark Cat
Virgin Fleet
Wild Cardz
Akane‘s High Kick
Junk Boy
Jungle De Ikou
Agent Aika
Genocyber
Mad Bull 34
Shoujo Tsubaki
This is not even an exhaustive list, but all these anime were released before the year 2000 and I don’t see anyone going to bat for these titles. I don’t mean to be rude, but anime didn’t just suddenly get worse ten years after you entered the world. Even Petros had to move his own goalposts to call Gantz retro, even though he called it edgy trash ten years ago. But if he’s calling the 2000’s retro now, I guess that means he likes Lucky Star now. It’s what he gets for making sweepingly vague statements. I personally can’t wait for ten more years to pass before he calls Sword Art Online an underrated masterpiece.
Solo levelling first two episodes reminds me of yes go go precure with a good two part special and thats about it I wouldnt pirate the rest of the season unless i was paid a million dollars
Solo Leveling and DanDaDan are the definition of mid anime, no idea how they were the most popular in the seasons they came out.
Don't put DanDaDan along Solo Leveling, DiddlyDaDan is actually decent to good, a fine 6,7/10, SL is a poorly made self insert and actually what anime elitists claim JJK and Demon Slayer supposedly are.
And people like them cause... It's subjetive, pretty hard to know which anime are gonna be Big and which aren't.
Dandadan’s biggest problem is the creepy fanservice. Ditch that and it would be a pretty refreshing and fun shonen amongst a sea of mediocrities.
Show should have just been (dubbed) ghost stories except focusing on aliens rather than shoving in a bunch of ecchi scenes.
@@giornogiostar3214 Dandadan is just another generic shockvalue anime with gags, and a beta main character which has been done 1000 times in other trash animes. Its not better or worse than SL they both try to appeal to lobotomized children.
@@WieldMyWord If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Most anime/manga are received pretty well by critics and the companies that make them. I don’t consider things like that trash.
@@Grudgebearer47 Honestly I don't care about the fanservice, there is no plot and just a whole bunch of nonsense going on with 0 stakes.
FACTS!
Hey, can you give your honest opinion about this anime? th-cam.com/video/VIfREL0Gfyc/w-d-xo.html
it has its charm but it's silly and shallow aimed at edgy teens, so i don't care about it