Forgotten Ancient Forestry - Reviving Nature's Secret Superwood. Part 1. Ringbarking and Spotbarking
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When our father needed good timber,
he went to the pine forest in spring time
when the juices start to run
to cut a ring around the growing pine
50cm from the ground. He then cut several spots
around the tree up to the branches.
The tree had to stand all over the summer and autumn,
so in the deep and cold winter,
by the last days of waning moon,
when the its disc is empty he took down the pines.
Then they became almost as hard as stone
and no insects or rot was attacking the wood.
BOHUSLÄN Västerlanda, Sweden 1875.
After 1-2 years this pine will extract all the sugars
and nutrients trough the ring and injured spots.
It will seal all the injuries with pine resin
and will be starting to die and dry - having less water once felled.
As time goes on the wood will become harder and harder and
will not be attacked by mold, blue stain, fungus or insects.
Very important is to fell the trees during winter
when the roots are frozen (December - February)
by the waning moon - when the moon's disc is almost empty.
Pine prepared this way can last for more than 800-1000 years.
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My Grandfather taught me a similar technique except if was for a different reason. We live the the Southeastern US in what some call the "Deep South" and as such, don't really have a winter like northerners have. During the coldest part our winter, when temps were dipping into the 20's (Farenheight) he would go out and girdle several older pines about waist height by chopping off the bark for about a 6 to 8 inch strip. Come spring the tree would begin to die and all of its sap sap and resin would rise up into the trunk below the girdle. Around the fall, he would cut the tree down making sure to cut it above the girdle spot. The wood would be able to be dried enough to burn in the cooking fire by the next spring and after a couple of years, the 3 foot tall stump would be a solid chunk of fat lighter that he would pull out with the tractor and we would spend hours splitting fat lighter kindling either to sell or use to start our fires with. Pine is rarely burned in a stove or fireplace in the South because of the tar that most pine leaves in the chimneys creating a bad hazard of a chimney fire but by keeping the sap out of the trunk and letting it dry during the driest part of our year, it could be burned in the kitchen stove to cook with, without worrying about a chimney fire. Pine also doesn't burn half as long as our hardwoods do, so the cooking fire wouldn't heat the kitchen up during the summer when using pine.
I believe that is the technique how they make tar pine (the fat wood stump) for tar burning to produce pine tar in the Nordic countries and Baltic.
Several lessons in that summary. Thanks for the great comment!
Thanks, very interesting
Really interesting read, thanks for sharing.
Funny, in the NW we only burn pine. If you burn a fireplace hot enough the pitch isn't a problem.
It's Fascinating how marring the tree draws the sugars out of the wood.
These sugars in the wood fibers would otherwise feed the insects and bacteria that would cause the wood to rot and disintegrate. Brilliant old knowledge.
More like this please.
@Boris probably birds.... Like wood peckers. They probably attacked the trees and left holes in the bark. Someone noticed the glazing over of the wounds. Went to cut the tree down. And it seemed harder and drier then normal. Probably chased trees with this method for awhile until someone thought of cutting their own holes.. Holes probably started out small, and low. Then as time went on. They learned more holes the better.
@Boris ancient ship builders had the foresight to grow and shape trees for decades to grow a single part.
Some serious thought and research has been put into manipulating wood for our personal uses - over these millenia
@Boris obviously aliens
@@408Magenta The way you word that makes it sound like a bad thing, yet all the info here seems to indicate it's a good thing? I'm not arguing I'm just intrigued to read your input on it
@@johnwalker7592 Porcupines I should think...
Another trick using 'ringbarking' but not on necessarily on pine, is in areas of harsh winters with significant snow fall, where people are dependent on wood for heating. Ringbarking a tree will stop the resin rising so the wood becomes dry. The trees are left standing so that if the people run out of firewood and need more, there is a supply of standing dry wood available, which is not buried beneath the snow and can be easily accessed.
This method of keeping a 'standing supply of dry firewood' is used in isolated areas on places like Alaska, Siberia, Canada, Norway etc.
Grateful to you
I thought everyone with their own woodlot did this tbh
not something I knew about,so am greatful to have stumbled upon this bit of ancient knowledge.I am building a log home on my woodlot come Spring and have been researching ALOT of different ways to do this in an enviromentally friendly way that allows me to selectively harvest the trees I need for this project.Thank you!
Truly the best gift is the knowledge to make something that lasts. Thank you.
Nice, thank you.
Maybe this is the secret of those 1.000 years old wooden churches in Norway. They are something incredible. The "stavkyrkje".
it is, actually
@Regina Redding ships were made out of oak i believe
. . . for sure it is a part of the 'secret' of these old churches, but much more it is the climate (cold dry air, less bugs and molds) which influences the durability of the building materials . . .
I like how the video had zero payoff at the end
WOW, this is truly valuable ancient wisdom that can only arise by observing trees and nature for centuries. Thank you for sharing.
I am familiar with this technique. The son of the guy that used to mow my lawn often did it with my decorative trees using a weedwacker.
You know I used to mow for a guy who would complain anytime I did this, some people..
@@GalacticGaming360 Gee, I just can't imagine why they would complain about their trees being killed. Some people indeed.
Lol!
Would love to see a side by side comparison of wood harvested this way vs the modern way, to truly see the quality difference.
Heart pine recovered and reclaimed from long leaf southern yellow pine. I have a basement full and another semi truck load using for cabin build .... what you want to see is searchable online and janka ratings are also aover 1200 on heart pine so I would imagine this is similar to them possibly ??? Does anyone know
Awesome knowledge ... tusind tak! 🌷
Deeply appreciate the work and sincerity put into its creation and sharing.
"In felling, the proper way is to cut through at once to the middle of the trunk of the tree, and then leave it for some time, that the juices may drain off; thus the useless liquor contained in the tree, running away through its external rings, all tendency to decay is removed, and it is preserved sound. After the tree has dried and the draining has ceased, it may be cut down and considered quite fit for use.
That this should be the method pursued, will appear from the nature of shrubs. These, at the proper season, when pierced at the bottom, discharge from the heart through the holes made in them all the redundant and pernicious juices, and thus drying acquire strength and durability. On the contrary, when those juices do not escape, they congeal and render the tree defective and good for nothing. If, therefore, this process of draining them whilst in their growing state does not destroy their vigour, so much the more if the same rules are observed when they are about to be felled, will they last for a longer period when converted into timber for buildings."
Vitruvius (Roman architect, circa 20 BC)
Thank you
@DefinitelyNotDan I read it a few years ago and it sticked to my mind. Just search "Vitruvius" or "De architectura" in the wikipedia or you could read the whole text at penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Vitruvius/home.html (second book, chapter nine). There are many other fascinating things about building materials and techniques used 2000 years ago, describing for example different kind of trees and use for their timber.
I guess the result would be the same, but since Romans lived in warmer climate and worked on industrial scale, they needed a faster method to "dry" the tree?
BTW the other translation reads: "In felling a tree we should cut into the trunk of it to the very heart"
Always wondered why my grandfather was doing things that others don't.... Wise man he was, he died back in 1970...
I'm going to read the rest of that when I wake up -- that first part took me for a loop
I have seen this process before in Nuuksio forest in Finland. Thanks for taking the time to film and share. Greatly appreciated. Kiitos from Australia.
I feel so grateful that you share this knowledge and this quality of videos.
thank you so much!,
big fan of you
greetings from Mexico!
The stave churches were built with wood prepared in this way and they remain after nearly 1,000 years, so obviously these people knew how to preserve wood.
There is a lot of "old wood" in Congress!
And we also know from black metal history that this wood burns well. lol
@@cernunnosch427 it's certainly quite dry, although I'd say the churches were burned in vain :D
@@cernunnosch427 lol
@@bugnfront
Yeah, but it wasn't prepared correctly and has all developed rot and mold.
Appreciate the knowledge.
Hope to see the result of the harvest in the winter.
👍 Definitely!
It's clever, make a video with a long pay-off time, get more subscribers... veeery clever
Might not be this coming winter, could be next year. They said 1-2.
That is one of the most educational things I've seen probably in 20 years thank you
Woohoo! Been waiting for some videos!
Thank you for passing this on, amazing!
Simply awesome. I love this type of content. Lessons from history.
What a great thing you have taught me today. Thank you, i am in deep gratitude of learning this timber knowledge from your wisdom.
I used to own a sawmill and I sure noticed pines that were damaged or cat faced or scared in any way WERE full of pitch and had become "hard as a mother in laws heart" very bug and water proof but hard to saw because the pitch sticks to the saw blade. Would be the best seals for a home
As always J. full PRO! Thanks for share and keeping this truth safe from oblivion. Hugs with Regards!!!
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Wow, thank you so much for sharing this with us.
thank you for sharing this invaluable information
Thank you for posting this valuable lesson.
👍 Excellent! Always wondered why some Scandinavian wood structures could last as long as they have! 😎
Wow. Drying the wood as it stands. Genius
In Austria lives a man. Erwin Thoma. He is using moon wood as he call it for bulding houses.He wrote serval books about moon wood and its abitilities.
Sounds interesting, shall look him up. Tak!
It looks like his website is WWW.Thoma.AT. Interesting reading.
@@blackhand4814 ... thank you.
FacePuncher do you think it would be harder to build with?
When I was younger, I used to get moon wood every morning 🤣🤣🤣
Wow thanks for the education, I've learned something new that I'll never forget
Very interesting information, thanks for sharing.
This video is fantastic and we are so thankful for the transition it makes it so much better to understand what is going on. I am going to try this out tomorrow on one of my trees ..
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How did t go? I might try it on a Sitka that has to come down in my garden at some point in the next few years.
Wow, thank you kindly for sharing the knowledge.
That's awesome content, thank you for these wise video!
Really interesting, never seen this before. Thanks for sharing
Great video I am still learning something today !!! King!!!
Wow! Amazing info. Really good to know!
Grateful to you, indeed
Always interesting to see straight standing trees.
Thank you for sharing Excellent Knowledge !!!!
It just shows how old Scandinavian culture is that they can notice a difference and experiment to get wood to last longer
@DefinitelyNotDan I bet this has been going on for a looooong time.
multiple cultures probably developed similar techniques throughout the world with variations for climate and species of trees available to them.
@Horvtio I beg to differ. Scandinavian culture is distinct but can be broken down into smaller distinct fragments. The folly is to say that scandianvian culture does not exist.
@Horvtio
calm down big guy
Occam's rasor says you are overcomplicating things without good reason.
Perhaps there was an old book/song/poem/diary where someone mentions the building of a house and preparing timber that way
and
the building still stands.
FYI there is a family owned and run carpentry company in Japan that builds temples and shrines and has existed for 1500 years!!!!!!!!
In the same family!!!!!!!
THAT is cultural continuity aka death by dogma! :-)
Nice! Very usefull, thanks, greets from argentina
This is the most satisfying thing I've ever seen
Yo, brother, amazing tip!! Thank you so much 🌠
Absolutely stunning
we [ some in the north do this with all trees for stove wood ] and leave till winter when the bugs arent out to cut,, just subbed and thumbs - up, be strong, be safe, and be blessed
Thank you for the video and the link.
Very interesting to see the crafts of old come alive, and the written text; prosaic even!..
Read about indigenous peoples in the Americas doing this as well. Especially for making dugout canoes. Without steel, if you're going to the trouble of felling a tree, you would want it to be the absolute best quality possible when you finally harvest the lumber.
Awesome, beautiful
Reminds me of heart wood from southern US pines.
Amazing technique!
Cool vid once again!! I miss them! Hint,hint! Lol. Super interesting!!
Fascinating.
I'm from Brazil and I'm enjoying this content
Amazing!
Thank you for the documents in the link. :-)
New friends here from Trail Trash Outdoors! I have seen this done before but with 3 rings at the bottom. Great tip thanks for sharing!!
For the Northmen are the past, present and future. Thank you for sharing your precious knowledge.
Godt å se at gamle skikker holdes i hevd.
De gamle er stadig eldst :-)
Hilsen en norsk snekker
Makes sense on the general rule that it is nearly true of all things that preparation and delayed gratification result in exceptional results.
It's sad that so few understand this...
greetings form Turkey. Another great video. 👍👍
Thank you very much, ou cannot believe how long and how much I was looking for a peoper recording on this, my grandfather told my father briefly but he didn't know anything because he didn't worked with him as a carpenter, then I started to ask older people in the countryside we are from but I was late since many of them were dead, and the ones that are left didn't know anything about it they were husbandry and shepherd guys bac in the time.. thank you very much!
@DefinitelyNotDan I do.. I wish I started off way earlier and I wish I can have more time for too... I realized too little too late. Doesn't matter what we call it, even the most laughable names nowadays such as New World Order, Globalists, Illuminati, Zionists, etc.; names may change but the definition and events are the same. The things that happened to my people in the name of religion and diversity, I hope one day I can explain people and genuinely warn them, especially the Nords, on how it was the rehearsal in here and how it is professionally carried-out in there now.. and how the so-called diversity they enforce today is nothing more than a cultural extinction and the mono"cultur"alism in the long run and destroying the knowledge of the best people groups in the world while injecting the worst of in it: the Middle-Eastern/African and southern "culture".
(I wrote that first comment in a bit of excitement and rush, sorry for the typos...)
Thanks!
Interesting topic.
Thank you
Thanks You.
Awesome..
Thank you for sharing! This is awesome content.
Very interesting.
Amazing
Nice!
I wish there was a book filled with knowledge like this
Knowledge is power, the CCP will have none of that.
Thanks Friends. Happy New Year to All.
I've seen trees marked in a similar fashion on my friends Grampa's property. Now I know, cool stuff, :)
Cool...
I’ll have to try this Scandinavian technique on some of the pines on my property.
If you do, make a video!
Only on ones you intend to cut for timber, and which aren't so near anything you like that they could fall on it.
Guys, they aren't making any magic kind of wood. They are just trying to produce a standing piece of fatwood. It's making the tree impregnate itself, essentially.
Uuuuhh , that actually is a magical kind of wood and it also explains a lot of mysteries. But keep practicing your magic, , you'll come up with something eventually, , but probably not something this great.
Let everyone Enjoy and think what they want, what are you the Forest police, Stop !!
Adherence of the sky clock. I like it.
I wonder how they cut the tree down? It seems like a drier wood could cause more checking and damage when it hits the ground, but then again, maybe not!
My grandfather used to do this for his firewood, i dont believe he ever put the grooves in the bark up the tree, but i believe the method of cutting ring around the base is called girdling. I very well could be in-correct on that so help me if im wrong. But this would leave the timber standing free of rot and in one season cured for him to harvest the next year.
The trees prepared for making pine tar are prepared in a similar way. Makes the log full of sap/pine-tar, that's what preserves the tree.
The link to learn more is down.
@@LegendLength if people knew too much they would only use certain deadd trees .
The ring around the bottom is called girdling a tree it’s done in forestry to thin forest the girdle will kill the tree over a few years and is much quicker and safer then felling each tree. Girdling is also done in horticulture to fruit trees or vines (normally grapes) it restricts movement of sugar to the roots causing larger and sweeter fruit. I didn’t know it would make the wood harder if harvested within a certain window.
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Hmm. My Grandpa always said that "dead wood" was kinda too hard to work normally. This makes sense now. He was a draftsman but also a massively talented hobby woodworker....
The timing of this process as stated is how fat lighter is made in warmer summer climate. This does increase the hardness in the wood trunk exponentially, however the the upper trunks strength is due to closer growth rings produced by shorter growing seasons of a cold climate. Giving pine much more durability in this manor. Great video though
I’d like to know if this is a realistic option for timber like this to be used in timber framing. Would like to know how it cuts and carves in comparison to green wood.
4:26 I actually tried to read that on my phone hahaha hahaha
i love your lifestyle in contact with nature, i always want live these cain of life
Or one can run around the base with a chainsaw and wait two years. If the tree is cut all the way down and left for a year, a lot of rot will occur and the tree will take three or four years to dry, Don't know about where he lives, but where I live, barking a tree like those would invite spruce beetles and they would eat half the tree before it was dry.
Old sawmills used to float trees down river and let them sit for up to a year. Washes all the sap out.
I have renovated a window from the 1700 and the wood was as fresh as when it was done.. Was some youngster that had thrown a rock thru it.. And it was made with "karmvirke" that was made like this..
Fell the tree by the waning moon - poetic!
Companies do not want to make wood this good. They "need" turnover.
Yes, like perfectly good software needs to be ‘upgraded’, at further cost to the customer. It’s like buying mechanic’s tools, throwing them away and buying more every three to five years.
ClayZ easy there ted
Yay capitalism
Of coarse they would want to make wood this good. Just most people love cheap wood better.
@@tna-technutamateur8249 Thats the point... Cheap equals turnover, thus more profit...
Tecnique interesting.
The ring stops the tree from getting more nutrients, and the nutrients it has are used to seal the spots. This is genius. I'm curious if it really makes the wood as durable as suggested however.
It does. This type of wood is called "tyrived" in Norwegian. It is saturated with resin and smells intensely of turpentine. Althrough I will say that this happens only to the heartwood, and not all of the sapwood of the tree.
Check out the wooden stave churches of Norway, 800+ years old with the same timbers as the day they were built.
The spots drain the sugary sap from phloem tissue so the microbes don’t feed on it .
This is insane. Thinking about learning to manage my own plantation to control my own supply.
Interesting