To all those who think Jimmy Page is a cover master, think again. Almost all chord progressions were used in that time and alternate tunings were not as popular as they are now. Zeppelin took their favorite songs and added their taste to them, what most of the bands did back then.
"Going to California" was another song that Jimmy "lifted" from Bert Jansch. I love the way Jimmy made it into a classic LZ ballad. Jimmy borrowed only from the very best.
Totally- Page lifted this- and added some "zing"- made it more rock n roll- yes I heard that Zeppelin used "many" musicians music and honed it with some spice- kinda takes the magic of Zep away though- I didi NOT know this at all!!! Still they put their own spin on it!!!
Brilliant. Best when he's just playing - his voice was always a bit iffy. Met him once in a pub in Islington, and so surprised to meet one of my guitar heroes, couldn't help blurting out 'Davy' like I knew him. Don't think he was used to be being recognised.
his days as a hired studio guitarist long over, people wonder why jimmy page didn't do much after led zeppelin, it's because there was nobody left to borrow from
It sounds like Graham describing how he wrote "Anji" - a song off one of his albums. The thing about Anji is that it's so simple, yet so complex. Also, it has inspired many cover versions, mot notably by Paul Simon (spelled "Angie"), Bert Jansch, etc. Search for all those spellings on youtube and enjoy, although I warn you that you may become obsessed by it's simplicity. When I first heard Simon's version it haunted me for days and I ended up locking myself up in my room (figuratively) until I could figure out how to play it. Granted I'm not nearly as good as these artists, but I was able to figure out the basic progression. The key is when you find out you need to use a capo...
@Robby Sohal, im LZ fan but JPage also """recycled""" Bert Jansch's Blackwater Side -> Black Mountain Side. in fact 90%+ of LZ songs are """recycled""" it just too hard to find the original songs, some of them are barely known. but i believe if you don't do this you can't be successful at all. anyways i think LZ didn't even care to hide their plagiarism. the worst case was that JPage paid to get "dazed and confused"`s full credit (original from Jake Holmes, 1967)
It's not Bert Jansch's Black waterside either. He learnt it from Anne Briggs, who got it off someone else, who got it off someone else who got it off someone else. Jansch changed it a little, as did Page. It's evolution and it's always happened.
does anyone know if he's using a capo or if the tuning he's using is a different octave of DADGAD? cause when im pretty sure my guitar is in DADGAD but i just cant seem to make it sound like this! It's perfectly fine to play along to white summer though.
@Denis MacEoin: You'd have to try again if you want it to get it right. Calling Davy Graham's genuine interest in World Folk music gimmicky is silly. Saying that he has no clue what Indian or Arab music sounds like is just ignorant.
Agreed. Especially as absolutely no one was doing such a thing at the time. But then again, Denis, you're most likely far too conservative to even grasp this.
I think this is a great interpretation and fusing of multiple genres to form a new entity. Regardless of the origin of the sounds, he creates a new sound combing multiple guitar techniques. Pure genius :)
Victory357 I am actually learning and writing the tabs for this song in perfect detail. About half way done with it and hoping to finish it within the next few days. Please message me if you are interested in learning this masterpiece (:
Sorry guys I know yall are still itching for the tabs. No progress has been made since. But I can give you my email address so I can take photos of what I do have. (:
me too, that's disappointing to say the least...maybe Jimmy Page is going to finally come out and admit that pretty much everything that he did was only besting what he'd heard before...as a child of the 70's that's a big disappointment to say the least but honor is better than lyes so I hope he comes clean about the body of his work before he passes--he's over 70 now so soon would be good...
Lue Kealau Back then EVERYBODY played each other's riffs and licks.. taking copyright for it is another thing but words and riffs EVERYBODY borrowed freely....back then.
Big Joe Williams the creation of the song "Baby Please Don't Go" AC/DC became huge off of that song and a song often played by B.B. King and played by tons and tons of other fa mouse figures, and Big Joe Williams was never credited. Big deal nobody gives a shit so why should this be any different?
But this isn't Davey Graham's either. In fact, most old folk and blues stuff is just recycled from older stuff.......there are just no recordings for us to compare so the old blues and folk players from the 20s get the credit, but they all begged, borrowed and stole from others. Music evolves, and that's how it should be. What's important is did Jimmy Page improve on this and provide it to an audience that may never have come across it otherwise? Answer, 'yes' and 'yes'.
Fuch'in ey' Jimmy? Please do your fans (and I am one) a favor and come clean on this shiitt, it really makes me sad to think that the man that I've really thought was a rock god is just another bloke that could copy and at times make better songs he had heard. THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE WHY JIMMY PAGE HAS NOT COME OUT WITH ANYTHING NEW, OF HIS OWN, FOR DECADES. THERE IS NOTHING LEFT FOR HIM TO STEAL. IT hurts saying that since I grew up a Led Zeppelin FANATIC. NOW NOT SO MUCH.
To all those who think Jimmy Page is a cover master, think again. Almost all chord progressions were used in that time and alternate tunings were not as popular as they are now. Zeppelin took their favorite songs and added their taste to them, what most of the bands did back then.
"Going to California" was another song that Jimmy "lifted" from Bert Jansch. I love the way Jimmy made it into a classic LZ ballad. Jimmy borrowed only from the very best.
White Summer !
Totally- Page lifted this- and added some "zing"- made it more rock n roll- yes I heard that Zeppelin used "many" musicians music and honed it with some spice- kinda takes the magic of Zep away though- I didi NOT know this at all!!! Still they put their own spin on it!!!
Brilliant. Best when he's just playing - his voice was always a bit iffy. Met him once in a pub in Islington, and so surprised to meet one of my guitar heroes, couldn't help blurting out 'Davy' like I knew him. Don't think he was used to be being recognised.
his days as a hired studio guitarist long over, people wonder why jimmy page didn't do much after led zeppelin, it's because there was nobody left to borrow from
I'm pretty sure there were dozens of countries with music he didn't touch
Fuchsia 'tude of course, just being cheeky wit' 'im mate ;-)
What year is this Hullabaloo?
What is that little bit at the end about cocaine bill, that little guitar lick that sounded like Stray Cat Strut? Who and what is that?
It sounds like Graham describing how he wrote "Anji" - a song off one of his albums.
The thing about Anji is that it's so simple, yet so complex. Also, it has inspired many cover versions, mot notably by Paul Simon (spelled "Angie"), Bert Jansch, etc. Search for all those spellings on youtube and enjoy, although I warn you that you may become obsessed by it's simplicity. When I first heard Simon's version it haunted me for days and I ended up locking myself up in my room (figuratively) until I could figure out how to play it. Granted I'm not nearly as good as these artists, but I was able to figure out the basic progression. The key is when you find out you need to use a capo...
sabatino1977 Oh my god that was it, thank you! It sounds just like Stray Cat Strut but a million times better. Thank you thank you.
@Robby Sohal, im LZ fan but JPage also """recycled""" Bert Jansch's Blackwater Side -> Black Mountain Side. in fact 90%+ of LZ songs are """recycled""" it just too hard to find the original songs, some of them are barely known. but i believe if you don't do this you can't be successful at all. anyways i think LZ didn't even care to hide their plagiarism. the worst case was that JPage paid to get "dazed and confused"`s full credit (original from Jake Holmes, 1967)
It's not Bert Jansch's Black waterside either. He learnt it from Anne Briggs, who got it off someone else, who got it off someone else who got it off someone else. Jansch changed it a little, as did Page. It's evolution and it's always happened.
does anyone know if he's using a capo or if the tuning he's using is a different octave of DADGAD? cause when im pretty sure my guitar is in DADGAD but i just cant seem to make it sound like this! It's perfectly fine to play along to white summer though.
it looks like there's a capo but to me it looks more like its part of his guitar strap lol
@Denis MacEoin: You'd have to try again if you want it to get it right. Calling Davy Graham's genuine interest in World Folk music gimmicky is silly. Saying that he has no clue what Indian or Arab music sounds like is just ignorant.
Agreed. Especially as absolutely no one was doing such a thing at the time. But then again, Denis, you're most likely far too conservative to even grasp this.
I think this is a great interpretation and fusing of multiple genres to form a new entity. Regardless of the origin of the sounds, he creates a new sound combing multiple guitar techniques. Pure genius :)
Irish/ North African connection maybe.
Victory357 I am actually learning and writing the tabs for this song in perfect detail. About half way done with it and hoping to finish it within the next few days. Please message me if you are interested in learning this masterpiece (:
did you ever get done with the tabs? :)
Unfortunately no. Work in the army has been tearing me apart, been out in the field a lot.
as hard as it is, thank you for serving! Your work protecting our country far exceeds any guitar tabs :)
I know this is old but if you ever got done with them, I would be oh so happy. Cheers.
Sorry guys I know yall are still itching for the tabs. No progress has been made since. But I can give you my email address so I can take photos of what I do have. (:
Damn, I thought White Summer was totally a creation solely of Jimmy Page's. Oh well, art recycles
me too, that's disappointing to say the least...maybe Jimmy Page is going to finally come out and admit that pretty much everything that he did was only besting what he'd heard before...as a child of the 70's that's a big disappointment to say the least but honor is better than lyes so I hope he comes clean about the body of his work before he passes--he's over 70 now so soon would be good...
Zeppelin is all interpretation. Very few of their songs are original all the way through. And quite a good bit of them are straight up covers.
Lue Kealau Back then EVERYBODY played each other's riffs and licks.. taking copyright for it is another thing but words and riffs EVERYBODY borrowed freely....back then.
Big Joe Williams the creation of the song "Baby Please Don't Go" AC/DC became huge off of that song and a song often played by B.B. King and played by tons and tons of other fa mouse figures, and Big Joe Williams was never credited. Big deal nobody gives a shit so why should this be any different?
But this isn't Davey Graham's either. In fact, most old folk and blues stuff is just recycled from older stuff.......there are just no recordings for us to compare so the old blues and folk players from the 20s get the credit, but they all begged, borrowed and stole from others. Music evolves, and that's how it should be. What's important is did Jimmy Page improve on this and provide it to an audience that may never have come across it otherwise? Answer, 'yes' and 'yes'.
Fuch'in ey' Jimmy? Please do your fans (and I am one) a favor and come clean on this shiitt, it really makes me sad to think that the man that I've really thought was a rock god is just another bloke that could copy and at times make better songs he had heard.
THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE WHY JIMMY PAGE HAS NOT COME OUT WITH ANYTHING NEW, OF HIS OWN, FOR DECADES. THERE IS NOTHING LEFT FOR HIM TO STEAL.
IT hurts saying that since I grew up a Led Zeppelin FANATIC.
NOW NOT SO MUCH.