Saying Namibia is going to become a battery country for other countries is like saying Saudi Arabia became fuel station for other countries. Yes, they gained massively from it. Any country that can become a massive energy producer should do so. Why would you purposefully stay poor? There is no quicker way for poor countries to become rich than to form mutually beneficial relationships with rich countries. This is how China's meteoric rise happened. They would never have been able to grow so fast if it wasn't for exporting to the USA and Europe.
Are you really that clueless. What a ridiculous thing to say. Oil and gas production do not take up half a country's energy and water. Tell us, why doesn't Germany produce its own green hydrogen since they have more energy and water than Namibia and Chile? Why does Germany want to take up water and energy from desert countries? Half the electricity that Namibia and Chile will be producing will be used to power German hydrogen factories, that is why they say those countries are batteries for Germany. You are a clown with terrible listening comprehension skills.
Set up those hydrogen plants in your own countries. You have more water and electricity than poor global south countries. Use up your own water and electricity. Stop exploiting the global south. Its insane the amount of electricity and water that goes into hydrogen production that is why the west wants other countries to produce the hydrogen for them.
As a result, solar’s production boom has left its recycling infrastructure in the dust. To give you some indication, First Solar is the sole U.S. panel manufacturer we know of with an up-and-running recycling initiative, which only applies to the company’s own products at a global capacity of two million panels per year. With the current capacity, it costs an estimated $20-$30 to recycle one panel. Sending that same panel to a landfill would cost a mere $1-$2.
The land usage issue is laughable. Namibia is one of the least densely populated countries in the world at 3 people per square kilometer vs 234 people per square kilometer in Germany. Furthermore its mostly desert.
Namibia's population will eventually grow. And you people want to steal land, water and electricity from poor countries. Germany has more land, water and electricity than Namibia, why doesn't it use its own? Obviously Germany is outsourcing the downsides that come with hydrogen production.
they really are stretching to find downsides. All the negatives they say; labour standards, exporting resources that are needed locally because you can get higher prices abroad, using water & land for an export industry, the existence of competition.. All of these apply to every industry and every form of economic development, e.g. agriculture. It's something to manage for sure, but if the potential existence of these issues are deal breakers then you are against all trade, not just energy. The positive view is that today some countries have a lot of sun, but cannot leverage that as a resource to benefit their population. if this industry can work, that situation will change and there can be a win-win situation with investment, employment etc. Ultimately It is far preferable for the world economy to have many countries who can produce and export energy compared to the current situation where effectively we are all coerced into funding oppressive regimes because a substantial part of the worlds energy resources are in countries with no respect for human rights and there is no alternative except to buy from them. If many countries produce green hydro, then we can prefer to purchase energy from countries who are good neighbours.
I can find you disadvantages. We take for granted that hydrogen is all nice but it isn't. Using hydrogen instead of electricity directly means that energy production is going to be less efficient and more complex. To use it we need new (really expensive) infrastructure. And Germany is going to be dependent on yet another country just like it was with Russia (although it's probably much safer with namibia).
I'm not seeing the issue with one country producing and exporting an energy source to anther country. Particularly if it helps a developing economy in the process. Trade can be mutually beneficial to all parties. So if a country has a lot of sunlight and/or wind, they absolutely should leverage those advantages in every way possible including through hydrogen production.
Exactly. I see no 'exploitation' at all. It's like saying oil producing nations are being exploited for selling oil. Also, Namibia has huge desert regions, it's not a 'park' as this documentary dupliciitaily suggests.
The whole green hydrogen energy business is con. If you want green energy you can generate it from nuclear fission if you want to and it is even more efficient, but if you already have the nuclear then why don't you deliver it directly to where it is needed? Green hydrogen is only meaningful for vehicles and other facilities which are isolated from the grid. This whole thing is a waste of taxpayer's money. There are also sources of sunshine close to Europe like North Africa, but then you have Al Qaeda to deal with. And who are the main backers of Al Qaeda? Germany's own G7 partners.
The only ones who would actually think that have some sort of bias against the purchasing country. I didn't hear the non Western aligned world congratulate Russia last year from being free of the "tyrannical" European energy market. To continue on this half baked argument for the sake of humor, it would be similar to accuse Germany (or any energy importing country) of benefiting from buying US or Middle Eastern LNG.
The problem is that it is being done for the purpose of an illusion of green energy when it actually creates even more pollution from coal powered manufacturing of the equipment in China and the shipping of the hydrogen products to Europe.
The excellent idea is that Germany does not depend on natural gas from Rasia anymore. Namibia and Chile also could benefit and develop for the needs of local consumption from the project. That is a win-win situation.
Yes as a German I am absolutly positiv. It is very important for the environment that we leave fossile energy. In the beginning it will be more expensive but in the long run, it will become cheaper. Yeah and of course we should make it a win win situation for good relationship also. You can see how important that is.
It is, including for large countries with an already large renewable grid such as Brazil. What people must consider is these two additional factors: first, you need to understand how much land are involved and what part of those countries will develop those structures, as they are, comparing to European countries, very large countries with large swaths of unoccupied or deserted land. Second factor is that those H2 plants will generate important developing factors, attracting other industries and improving the economy and the educational system, all those have a chain effect that is extremely important for developing nations.
Negative no, dubious yes because the track record like other western nations coming in promising pie in the sky is BAD. Corruption abounds and locals remain in poverty.
@@mdsoulsounds Do you think the corruption problem would be better if these countries wouldn't export resources? The corrupt politicians there are the same regardless.
Journalism is there to report on the facts/ current issues/ problems. You want everything to be puff pieces? We're trying to do the same here in Australia in producing Hyrdogen as a fuel. What a re you upset about really?
Namibia is a relatively advanced abs peaceful African country. They’re exploiting the offshore oil that they recently discovered. They want to do business. They have uranium too which is mined already.
The latest technology out of an Australian University is using ocean saltwater without desalination to produce hydrogen. So fresh water need not be used and salt brine need not be dumped back into the oceans. Also tidal energy is more efficient and more abundant than wind and less periodic than both solar and wind. The worlds oceans can literally provide all the energy we need and without polluting it if we so choose to go in that direction.
Green hydrogen is a myth. It’s a big lie to still eek out the last use of fossil fuels. The plan will fail. And then they will say oh well we’ll just keep producing h2 the same old way.
Unpopular opinion: Our world do not run on charity, Germany did its part on the deal with bringing in the capital and technology that Namibia lacks while complying the local laws, it is up to Namibia to consult its citizens and execute the distribution of wealth If every single formerly-colonized states rely on the investing nation on solving their social inequality which by the way they chose to inherit it from the colonial system instead of reforming it, well, they may as well as giving up their sovereignty.
Then why not say that? Europe and USA need to stop coming into Africa like they're doing a charity case. Treat it like a business and then no one will act surprised. Duh
Because that inequality is not naturally occuring, colonialism and imperialism brought that about. Therefore, the former colonising nation has to adress the power imbalance.
@@SemiIocon The inequality between sub-saharan Africa and Eurasia stems from the difference in agricultural developement. People in Eurasia domesticated important plants and animals thousands of years earlier than sub-saharan Africans. Thus Eurasians could develop wealthy and powerful societies much earlier. So colonlialism is the consequence of inequality rather than the reason for it.
@@SemiIocon When mentioning colonialism, it is easily forgot how the indigenous population is in fact part of the scheme as well, take Kingdom of Kongo for an example, the Portuguese buy slave from them but it is Kongo that conquer and capture the population as commodity, another example is the Reduction of Lagos in 1851, the British did not actually annex Nigeria if it isn't the then King (Oba) of Lagos Kosoko refuse to end the slave trade. You heard it right, the British wanted to end slavery trade but the Nigerian king refuse to, how about this side of colonialism? Let bygone be bygone? Fine, the truth is, technology blueprint and capital do not grow on trees, the global south might have a disadvantage to catch up with the industrialized nations, but they have access to existing technology and investment which they do not have to start from the beginning as well. 'Adress the power imbalance' is a rather fancy term for interest agenda at best, populism at worst.
I hate the righteous smugness of the journalist, "who will actually benefit from green hydrogen?" Implying the same old BS that investment and jobs = evil (if it's from the "west"). DW should not need to frontload negativity to a project that ALL countries fight so hard to get; renewable power industry + energy exports, and money to make it happen. Any poor labor standards, etc. Can only survive investor checks if the local authorities actively cover them up.
That's just how you interpret it. Would you rather nobody hears the story at all? Do you know what our leaders would get away with? Without a loud press, good and bad press, then, you have Russia, China, Iran, etc. A few billionaires, and the rest of the people are slaves.
It’s Africa, renowned for sophisticated European manipulation of the less adept and bribe- weary local politicians. Look no further than how France continues resource controls from its impoverished former colonies.
I hate ignorance. You should be thankful to even touch african ground after not paying reperations and not giving back namibian artifacts for so long. If you dont want to respect the "BS" you can stay where you are with expensive fracking gas.
Nonsense arguments by this journalists... In Namibia it is not a case of using valuable lands. Thousands of Miles of desert where no -one can and will ever live. Pse just visit such countries....
It's the tired old Marxist rhetoric where trade is seen as automatically exploitative (along with everything else in capitalism), even though in the real world the alternative (no trade/competition) would be worse. It's why they never follow up the criticism with anything constructive. The outcome they ostensibly want (no trade) would make both developed and developing countries more poor. And stop the green hydrogen plans.
@@maxs.1880 Whoever came up with these half-baked criticisms need their heads examining. Exploiting a DESERT !!! ???? Surely finding a good use for otherwise unproductive land is an excellent idea.
They literally explained how they are gonna exploit cheap labor and there is doubt about who is gonna benefit. Kinda hard to understand if you already come in biased my guy.
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The take of Chilie professor is just not smart. Chilie can literally set up any regulation on export that it wants, and it can get a lot of money from such exports, and how exactly diesel water trucks correlate with hydrogen export?
@@nvmtt I thought the Cocachamba water protests was about increased fresh water costs because of the privatization of the water company. The green hydrogen plants in other countries use sea water that can't be used for drinking. Is the project in Chile proposing using fresh water sources?
There is a point in saying that industrialized countries have exploited the global south for quite a long time. However, if someone thinks that protectionism is the solution, then she or he did not understand one of the corner stones how industrialized countries built their wealth. Trading resources and goods can and will lead to a better allocation of resources (both natural and financial). Consequently, trade increases wealth in both countries: The ones that import and the ones that export. If you are a resource rich country, then what are these resources worth if you don't sell them? Basically nothing. The key question comes down to mutual beneficial conditions which protect the environment in the global south and increase the overall wealth in these countries.
H2 ...This is why Population laughs a government " experts " ...basic science .. green hydrogen produced on today's fossil-heavy grid in Texas, for example, would have an average annual carbon intensity ***over 20 kg CO2 *** per kg H2 !!! ...you are brain dead
Namibia is over twice as large as Germany, with a population of less than 3 million, mostly living on the coastal south east, plenty of uninhabitable land exist. It does need a European partnership to realize potential and Germany is far more trustworthy than France Italy or Spain. Financial safeguards must be put in place to insure Namibia’s economic growth: Germany local infrastructure investment, foreign company finances/ profits deposited / retained locally in banks of 25-40% to avoid money flight, independent international accounting services to monitor/ regulate procedures of local government, officials, and companies to fight bribery, apprenticeships/ tech schools for local population, labor contracts for locals to include health care, and more. YEP, a partnership with teeth could work!
Yes, to you the desert is not useful so why do you want it. Stop the pretense and be sincere with yourself for once. While we welcome investments in Africa, you cannot eat your cake and have it while the people whom you disguise to help are left with crumbs or nothing. There is little or no trust for the European in Africa as you guys have shown us what you are made of.
Producing hydrogen in Latin America for consumption in Europe is insanity. Hydrogen production should be regionalized if it's going to make economic sense.
If Germany doesn't invest then someone else will, most likely China. And China will exploit as has been seen where ever they invest. And these countries need investment. Also give these countries some semblance of knowing what is best for their people. They may be in the southern hemisphere but there are lots of intelligent people there. They have learnt from the past as well and don't need their noses rubbed in it. This is global business.
It is unfortunate people of a fairer skin complexion living in the north(like those working in DW News), think people living in African countries cant run their own countries and sign foreign trade deals with richer countries.
We know that both Africa and Latin America have not benefited from the production of raw materials for the progress of the "global north", but this is not the case of Chile. Chile has benefited and we do not victimize ourselves. For a reason we are the most advanced country in Latin America and the 33rd most competitive in the world. That is why we are not afraid of new productive sources and of continuing to benefit the global north because we know how to get our good cut and manage it correctly for our benefit.
It could turn deserts into green pastures offering shade to the vast desert lands. However, it would have to be done via solar desalination and not using the drinkable water. Otherwise they are effectively exporting water from a desert region via hydrogen production. The whole operation has to be done via renewable energy.
This is a dead end for many countries. France can produce green hydrogen much cheaper from it's nuclear reactors. They just need to upgrade their plants, and invest in the nuclear industry. Some Germans right now think Nuclear is icky, but that will change once the bill comes. Also hydrogen from nuclear will be less carbon intensive than hydrogen from wind/solar. So cheaper hydrogen from France and much lower transport costs will outcompete hydrogen from Chile/Namibia. So my advice to locals, make sure you are not stuck with the bill if suddenly Germany doesn't want to buy your product anymore. And make sure the clean up is financed through a fund your politicians can't raid. Germany is stuck on a bad path. Don't get dragged down with them if you can avoid it.
DW, you have no idea! Have you been to Namibia yet? Do you understand that if Germany help Namibia to not use high carbon electricity from South Africa the world has a net saving on CO2 gas. This is done in auto industry in some way where small engine cars offset big engine CO2 levels. Wake up and stop seeking fault where there are non yet. Have you people seen the Namib desert? I am a Namibian! BRAVO to Germany for doing something that Namibia was not able to do now.
A couple of obvious points up front: 1. The coastal sun belt countries have very obvious and real resources that they simply must take advantage of and could easily turn them into the new oil countries 2. Hydrogen is far not as transportable as the hydrogen lobbies want us to believe. There is so much background material on this there's no point in rehashing it here. The upshot is that these countries should absolutely jump on the solar energy bandwagon, but not for hydrogen as an energy source in itself but rather for much more transportable and valuable feedstock materials: aluminum, steel and ammonia production. These materials are perfect for remote production because they require A LOT of energy to make, yet are easily and cheaply transportable. And while aluminum depends less on coastal proximity other than for shipping, green steel and ammonia are best suited for sunny coastal production because they require hydrogen and thus water. Because hydrogen is so lossy and expensive to transport, it is best produced on-site where it is needed in molecular form. It will never be a sensible energy carrier because of the extremely lossy bidirectional conversions required. But a large swath of the globe around the equator could and should become the new economic feedstock of the world. The trick is in how to accomplish this to where everyone wins.
It seems like every trade with developing countries is considered unfair by definition, no matter what the deal is. I also don't understand the problem with considering hydrogen as an export product. The Netherlands produces lots of vegetables and meat for other countries. Does anyone say it's crazy that the Netherlands produce more food for other countries than for themselves? What's the matter. If anything is paternalizing those countries, it is this reaction.
Maybe it would be a good idea to move the industry that needs the resources to where the energy is produced instead of transporting the fuel, just a thought.
@@cyclewisconsin105 Germany is a cold country in the northern hemisphere. They do not get the same amount of energy from the sun as a county like Namibia, besides being mostly uninhabited except for the coastal regions. In Germany those dame solar panels would be covered by snow for a quarter of the year, and more than another quarter at night, besides just getting less energy from the sun straight up because the atmosphere is denser at an angle. And also, solar panels = less mining in those same countries, so that's a win win by definition
Its just hatred of Europeans. For any European country to consider a trade deal with and underdeveloped country is considered racism at this point. quite ridiculous.
@@cyclewisconsin105 Yes and in general that is an advantage. Only if the theories of the man with the narrow mustache is believed, will it be a disadvantage.
These are both democratic sovereign countries, its up to them how they want to do this. I see opportunity for them, in Namibia most of the country is unihabited and its their decision if they want to use that vast resource for hydrogen.
If Germany is serious it should create training programs in both Namibia and Germany to raise a cadre of solar/hydrogen engineers. Otherwise it’s back to colonialism.
There are a lot of solar projects and wind, happening in Namibia already. Namibia has human capital. Also, German through the GIZ has funded a lot of students-undergraduate and postgraduate, and a lot of researches.
Basis rule to remember : Once you start transporting hydrogen it becames expensive. Use hydrogen locally yes, transporting it is waiste of mony and green energy from renewable source.
It's a matter of volume. Just as for crude oil. Also consider that not all countries have the same load factors. Germany offshore wind power will yield 45% load factor. Chile >70%. Same for solar panel. Again. It's not about year 5 physics. It's about uni level economics.
Another basic rule to remember: When politicians make economic decisions based on ideologies instead of engineering, you get stalled windmills in Palm Springs and solar panel boondoggles like Solyndra. "Solyndra received a $535 million U.S. Department of Energy loan guarantee, the first recipient of a loan guarantee under President Barack Obama's economic stimulus program, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.[19] The loan program took a $528 million loss from Solyndra.[20][21] Additionally, Solyndra received a $25.1 million tax break from California's Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority." - Wikipedia
The only reason this is being considered is because of Germany's aversion to nuclear. Next door in Poland there are plans to build next gen nuclear plants to use for industrial heat. Container ships could be electrified with massive batteries. So can cars and trucks. Hydrogen as a "fuel source" is very inefficient. It can transport energy, but the only way to make that economical is if the original energy source is extremely cheap.
Nuclear power requires uranium which is expensive, found in Africa or Asia or America not Europe so high transportation cost, it's highly radioactive, extremely pollutant, and the byproduct is hazardous fatally toxic to all living things. Do you think it's worth it. Nuclear power is yesterday's news.
Somehow Western Australia has similar conditions in Asia pacific. It's very dry, mostly desert, sunny most of the year. There are various mining sites in the state but land is too vast and empty perfect for solar and green hydrogen projects. Only issue is it's remote even for most part of Australian population centres.
@@falsch4761 it's not near. How in the world is that distance near? Not to mention since australia is at the edge you have to cover that distance twice.
@@bulthaosen1169 It closer as namibia and Germany if that suit you, People dont realize this simple fact and I predict you will try to attack me for stating the fact..
I admire DW for its journalism and hate the North for exploiting the South, but properly using green energy in one country for massive needs for green energy in other country can't be bad for any. Namibia and Africa definitely need more investments from the North to help with the transition to renewable energy.
It's not that complicated. The west is sitting on centuries of stolen African wealth. If they want to survive the climate crisis then they need to give it back. Both sides can't profit.
Yes it can be very bad to give a poor country the ability to get a advance in technology. They can start to be independent from rich country and become rich themself. Really? If no rich country invest or trade with poor country because someone can be offended and say we exploit them, then they gonna stay poor forever.
@@AstroGremlinAmerican Nuclear Power Plants are green. It is the best way to ceate electic. Much less pollution than Gas. oil, coal Power Plants. And with water you need a big dam and destroy wild life and flora. Same goes with Wind mills birds and animals do not go well with those things. If I could chose it would be Nuclear all the way.
All investments in energy that will be used in the EU should be produced in the EU. EU needs to be independent of all forms of energy. Right now a lot of other countries have control over the EUs energy market and just like gas was turned off oil from Saudi Arabia or Hydrogen from Namibia can be turned off when relations go bad.
Norway is another country that is - due to its potential for pumped hydro - hugely important for the transition to renewable energy in Germany and Europe. But nobody thinks they will be unfairly exploited. Because even international oil companies did not succeed in exploiting Norway. Why so? Because they are not a sh...hole country corroded by corruption.
So now it is to blame those poor countries for their inability to stand out against the European and US imperialism? Well, if the US and Uk have not "couped" pretty much all democracies across the developing world, they wouldn't have turned into these corrupted countries.
But sh_thole nations are awesome for doing business. You don't have to deal with namby pamby quasi-communism in the form of environmental standards and worker's rights. As my dad says, "Hang all the greens, I wantz m4h leafy greenz." Suffice to say he is pro-Beijing.
@@alaaal-mosfi5735 Here is news: The US have also "couped" Germany in 1945 and then largely influenced the implementation of the political system that subsequently lead to 70 years of prosperity and stability. Why did that not work out in other countries such as Iraq? Better ask yourself that question rather than blaming others for your misery.
@@lingen2193 (Why did that not work out in other countries such as Iraq) Maybe because killing the only guy keeping the terrorists at bay and then providing those guys with air support ended just as everyone predicted it would.
Japan is said to be slow in the eV market, but it is not. It was forced to adopted H2 as national strategy because it lack the critical minerals and processing capacity to go the battery eV route. Germany appears to be another Japan, trying to save itself via H2 and green ICE for the lack of critical minerals/metals. By 2030 we'll see if Germany made the right choice or perhaps there never was a choice.
Here in the UK we have roads and Cul-de-sacs called _'Vine Street or Vineyard Road etc'_ because back in Roman times we had vineyards everywhere... but not today because with some exceptions, its too cold. What I want to know is who was causing global warming in the time of the Romans, unless... the whole thing is a lie.
However badly this project may have started in terms of treating the local nation, it’ll be hundred times better than how the Chinese would treat the local population.
DW: You do NOT get carbon neutral anything from using solar power. Everything manufactured requires polluting to some extent. The most you can say about renewables is that they can be low carbon.
3:58 “Local authorities warn that solar panels take massive amounts of land” - shows the building site in a completely lifeless desert, not even a tree there. Media more fixed on unused land being used for renewables than toxic gas from fossil killing millions every year - exaggerating now… They will get less pollution and lots of money on exports which will be invested in populated areas and they worry for the vast unused desert…
Important and interesting topic. Sadly, video in my opinion diminished by distracting production choices like the ominous background music, tacky bullet point sound effects, and dramatic zoom jump cuts on the presenter.
> and dramatic zoom jump cuts on the presenter. > Underpaid and unskilled staff working for DW, I guess. Instead of hiring professional video editing staff, all the money from broadcasting fees and TH-cam monetisation is presumably used to maintain the DW directors' pension system, I'm afraid.
Super simple: if labor rights and ecological preservation are not upheld, Germany shouldn’t buy, or put it into contracts that if those standards fail to be met there will be financial penalties
I was wondering when we'd see the usual nuke bro comment. If you are *REALLY* worried about CO2 emissions, then you should be 100% behind green H2. Not denigrating it.
@@alainpannetier2543 H2 isn't an energy source. It's just a mean of transport and storage of energy. And it's not very good at both. They apparently need H2 facilities because they can't produce enough energy with renewable themselves and thus need to transport energy from very far away (Namibia). If they had kept their nuclear powerplants, those issues wouldn't be there.
@@arthurhq5741 FOR GOD SAKE, stop it with this energy vector vs energy source BS. In fossil fuels just as much as in diatomic hydrogen, energy is stored in the chemical bonds. This vector BS has no physical justification whatsoever. You even have natural H2 sources. H2 is three times the calorific power of alcanes per kg.
@@alainpannetier2543 Ok, so : - I have nothing against renewables - hydrogen doesn't naturally occur in meaningful quantities - hydrogen is low in energy density by volume. Storing it at 700 bars (and 700 bars is a VERY high pressure) makes the issue smaller but it's still there. At that pressure, it is still 4 times less energy dense by volume than LNG. Hydrogen is also very aggressive to most materials, so compared to LNG you'll need a very large, very strong tank (chemically and physically). Transporting it is going to be a real pain. - Hydrogen causes energy loss because you need to convert electricity to hydrogen back to electricity. And you also need to compress it at extreme pressures and transport it. - Germany already had nuclear powerplants. If the question was to build new ones, the situation would be different. But it doesn't matter if they were over-engineered, because they were already there.
As a chilean myself I love the change that we are having in our energy source, more than 55% of our energy comes from renewable sources and it’s increasing very fast. In my personal opinion Gabriela Cabaña example of Chiloe does not make any senses, our strategy does not affect the water of our rivers. Green hydrogen is not going to make our south region go dryer. Chile and world need to lower carbon emissions, so we can fight climate change. Interviewees in this video seem to be looking for excuses more than solutions. Chile and Namibia have a good opportunity to develop and be part of low carbon future. Hopefully sooner than later. I will love to see many Germany, Chile and Namibia work together for a better future. 🇩🇪🇨🇱🇳🇦
Me in Grade 7: If they need hydrogen why don't they figure out a way to get it out of saltwater Science Teacher: Would you pay attention, that's impossible because.... 25 years later: ....
Germany needs to address the nasty colonial atrocities Germans committed against the Namibias before Germany can even dream of doing business in Namibia. There is zero trust between Germans and Namibians and trust is the foundation for a successful business partnership.
Can we please try to take a positive attitude towards the upcoming energy transformation? Change is also a possibility to make things better than in the past.
@@rwmroy More like Africa doesn't have a good track record of democratic, honest government. Why invest in it when the leadership there will just use the money to ensure they never lose power?
@@SocratesAth Totally agree. So many people seem to fixate over the bad effects of greed/corruption, yet ignore the absurdly simple solution. The French had a very simple solution indeed in the guillotine.
The critique is from the wrong perspective. There is nothing wrong with countries producing exports to Europe! However, it actually makes more sense to move energy intensive industry to renewable rich countries like Namibia. That in turn would allow this countries to industrial use rather than be simply first order raw resource extractors.
It is good that Germany has a focus on making it fair for the energy-producing countries, but as the market matures, and there is more competition between the energy producers, then the mentioned "race to the bottom" begins. So to avoid this there need to be some deal made between all the energy producing nations, that enforces some set of minimum conditions per energy project - else the nation with the worst possible conditions will win on the price of the energy, and pull everyone else down to those conditions.
that's not going to happen, but what could be done would be something like an EU subsidy for green hydrogen that meets certain standards, to make it more competitive.
Nice try but any time you explain to Americans that they need to play fair by international rules, they will stammer, "I didn't vote for that; that's Communism." Expect the Russians and Saudis to give no better answers.
Everyone always thinks first, colonialism etc. Isn't it good that someone is investing there, and providing jobs, and doing something good their own crooked leader's won't do because they keep all the money??
The only people who think this is some form of neo-colonialism is hare-brained lefties who always want to put down the developed world. The developing world can only progress though working TOGETHER with countries like Germany to bring them technological advances like this.
All European projects start with we will help and then it goes down the drain with looting. People in the west would never understand the reality in this documentary and all the questions
I would not be so concerned about land use. Many African countries have huge swathes of land. I would be more concerned about water. Even if it is extracted from the ocean, you still have the problem with the brine. Also, corruption is rampant in many countries of the global south and hence the money from green hydrogen will potentially fall into few hands only. However, this is also hard to combat because it is a domestic problem of these countries. You can't just replace politicians however you want. After all, interventions of industrialized countries in the global south have a long track record of being unsuccessful in the end and causing a lot more harm than anything else.
So don't engage in business Why do business knowing only you are gaining Bad business ethics All eat or no one eat Furthermore Why would Africa invite Germans and other war monggers nations ? Colonisers thieves ??? All money is not good money West I suggest should buy American stuff and thats it
@@mkodyglobalsouthsoldier You sound very bitter and also very undifferentiated. Consequently, it seems that you are trying to deflect all the blame for failing African countries to industrialized countries. And although colonialism and neo-imperialism have unarguably taken its toll on African countries, you cannot simply deflect all blame for the current condition of African countries to industrialized countries. Otherwise, if you think this thought until the very end, it means that industrialized countries should come to your country and restructure all government structures to bring it into working condition. Then you have come full circle, because this would be full blown colonialism again. Also, you would be communicating that your people are by nature unable to set up their country properly, thus introducing a racial component also. I hope that is not what you actually intend, but if you want to be independent, then you also have to take up the responsibility at some point. Then, you cannot just say that everything in your country is broken because of industrialized countries. You then have to ask yourself what you can do better to weed out the problems in your country. Also, there are positive examples in Africa such as Botswana.
@@fr89k simple answer Close borders and cut ties briefly shortly Industry means that group who protect environment will come and kick the door 😂 It's a trap for Africa and Asians to never grow after white world had Industry era development Halt it now 😉 climate change angle We can discuss terms and rules of engagement later 1 side is losing out And Jesus and peace talks and let's hold hands won't change the gap in theft and losses gained by 1 side Holocaust survivors don't settle for less Why should Africans who gained freedom last 60 or so years to self govern while in invisible political chains ?? Europe are con criminals It's in the dna 1500 till today Every 100 yeear new generations and same topic What is to gain from Africa....
@@mkodyglobalsouthsoldier "Holocaust survivors don't settle for less. Why should Africans who gained freedom last 60 or so years to self govern while in invisible political chains ??" - So you basically want industrialized countries to come back and do a colonialism 2.0, because you just don't want to govern yourself??? And btw.: The people of Israel were determined and have formed a very successful industrialized countries after WWII. That is not the result of demanding lots of support from Germany, but it's the result of self-determination and hard work. In contrast, with your attitude it's no wonder if your country is in shambles. Independence means self-governance and taking matters into your own hands and forming your future. It does not mean complaining about the past and waiting for somebody else to take over the government for you. In fact, it's the exact opposite of self-determination. "It's in the dna" - Ah, there we have it. Okay, so you are indeed a racist. If you want to believe that African people (or at least some of the African ethnicities) are inherently unable to govern themselves and European ethnicities are inherently criminal, then I prefer not to continue this discussion. Discussions with racists never lead anywhere...
Any brine goes back to the ocean where the impact is miniscule. Corruption is everywhere you care to look (e.g. Russia on the industrial scale. Africa barely registers). It is not an excuse for INACTION !
You need a pure water to make hydrogen fuels. They are using only freshwater to produce their fuel. These should need the requirement of being made by saltwater or not at all. We already are facing a freshwater shortage going forward. Why did DW not make the concerns about that. DW is great in some respects on certain topics but sometimes they are controlling the narrative.
I guess there are no easy and perfect solutions to the complex problems we are facing today. If they somehow could use sea water, that would certainly solve most of the problems. Land use is a major issue if you use arable land, but these countries have a lot of desert which could theoretically be used without causing competition between hydrogen production and agriculture. Whether you are the "battery country", the corn chamber, or just provide a place for cheap production, there will always be downsides, and after all, you need to export something. Mining, textile industry, or exporting agricultural produce have probably larger negative environmental impact or a higher risk to cause problems through competition for resources. Of course, it must be secured that there won't be competition for water or energy. But I think such technologies could have some potential. If sun and wind are the new oil, countries with plenty of these resources could benefit in case they learn from the good and the bad oil has caused in the past.
Namibia has a large desert alongside the sea. You can read about it. The other problem is, who will benefit? Will the benefits reach as far as the communities?
@@onesmushangula3116 I was there once. I just don't know whether saltwater can be used but I assume there could be ways to maybe even harvest the salt and use the water(?) They probably require pure water. Whether the communities benefit would be a political question. In my opinion, it would be best if states such as Namibia would run state-owned factories for green hydrogen and solar power plants and use the revenues to invest in further (green) technologies that benefit the people. Having foreign companies operate such facilities often leaves local communities with nothing, which of course has to be prevented.
It’s the reporter’s job to sow doubt because western nations, particularly France, USA have a bad history of coming in, taking, and doing nothing for the locals as they bribe local politicians and warlords who are the ones who profit.
@mdsoulsounds That's how tgey equally sow lies in the name of doing tgeir job. The ongoing project adds to the economic development of the region, creates jobs for the people, and is an opportunity for them to become a global exporter of hydrogen & potentially world leader in other renewable energy technologies. Let us look at the positives and work to encourage a fair process for both panties. In doing so, it is important that we stop dwelling in the 17th century slave trade era. It happened, yes. Has it stopped? Yes. Are there rooms for even better improvements? Yes. Let us build on collaboration. Germany has not done anything bad
In the end, they'll just import more nuclear energy from surrounding countries going nuclear, or adding to their fleet. Slovakia, Poland, etc. True NIMBYs there in Germany.
I think people miss the point of the newspiece. It is exactly to warn of historical imperialist trade relations and is asking the German citizen to demand more and better from its institutions. Such as conditioning import of hydrogen to veritable labour and environmental benchmarks and doing the work to audit that and enforcing those rules on companies/importers. Too many a time, trustworthy and labour conscientious(domestically) European companies, Germany included, were all too happy to 'export' labour exploitation, environmental degradation and corruption to the global south. So learn from the past and do better this time. Doing better isn't easy though.
Just a side note. I love how the global south is anything south of Europe. At first I thought it's south of the equator but its just really 3rd world and 2nd world countries. It's its a pretentious way of saying they are the top of the world, higher in status so to say then everyone beneath them.
I really hate this Global South invention. Grouping everyone in Subhara Africa, with everyone in South America, with everyone in South Asia. WTF?! They just grouped everyone together because they are not European. I can tell you who made such a categorization, Europeans in EU and US suffering from white guilt. Actual people living in African countries never came up with this term.
Project has not been implemented and people are already whining and complaining. Is Namibia a rich country? - NO Will green hydrogen bring prosperity to Namibia? - YES So what's the problem? If there's any disparity in wealth within Namibia, then it's Namibia own problem. Corruption maybe?
Nuclear can't track load so needs storage to achieve high efficiency, is very expensive to build and operate, is difficult to run when the weather is hot, and Uranium resources are widely distributed.
Right, this is why France had to shut down half of its nuclear power plants because of low water levels in the rivers due to the recent heat wave and urgently needed maintenance (still ongoing). Germany was/is doing the back up power for France and has been/is forwarding six times more electricity to France as normally. The French are heating with electricity as well. If the droughts go on in the coming spring/summer season, the same problems with "cooling the reactors" will pop up again. Wind and sun is available... Just saying 😉
To produce hydrogen, water is needed. Nambia is the driest country in the world. Taking water from the ocean isnt easy as it seems. The huge amounts of salt pumped back into the ocean will lead to ecological disasters.
The way I see it is simple: suitable for both parties. Africa is an impoverished country with lots of land and no jobs. You have to be very creative or prosperous to not understand how important this initiative is for Namibia.
This is not carbon neutral. It is off shoring pollution. There is high pollution from the manufacture of the renewable equipment in China that primarily uses coal power for electricity for their factories. The sea shipping industry furthermore adds significant pollution to create the vessels and operate them. Germany has been off shoring pollution for some time just to create an illusion of green energy. Far less pollution would be generated from simply using HALEU fueled nuclear power plants in Germany.
I'd say leave the countries that don't want it to China and in 10 years we will see which countries did better 🤣 OH WAIT, that's already a thing, my bad 🤦♂
Excellent research Horrible out of sync sound effects Bad camera angles Bad music Ok editing Should've added subtitles This is not a Tom cruise movie, you're giving information.
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Sound like a good idea. China would bring their own citizen to work in there but Germany letting African work. And they will get good green energy from them and Germany.
First things first. Before investing into renewable energies to produce green hydrogen to be shipped half way around the world, let’s make sure the energy produced and consumed in the said countries (Morocco, Chile, Namibia or others), for their own needs, is low carbon as well. If you have massive “green” hydrogen plants built for Germany, next to coal plants for the country own electricity consumption, then it makes little to no sense on a global scale. That brings to the second topic: we need to look into the global efficiency of this complete “green” hydrogen shipping system. Pure electrolysis has an efficiency of 70% to 80%. How much does the efficiency drops when you take into account manufacturing of the factories (abroad but also in Germany), storing (liquid or gaseous form), shipping half way around the world, transporting on land to the end user, and then finally used? In any case, using these renewable energies for local use, to reduce the carbon footprint of Chile, Namibia, etc… would make so much more sense. Won’t benefit Germany economy though
I wonder why Germany does not go to trade with Spain or the south of Italy, there are heaps of sun. If they imported for example from Sardinia, it would be a lot closer and more energy efficient than bring hydrogen tanka from Namibia or Chile.
Talking about land availability in one of the least populated countries in the world? Sound like a fossil fuel lobby talking point. It's a good thing that countries are making use of deserts.
One big part was left out: At the moment the electrolyzers need rear earth materials like platinum and iridium as catalysts - Germany's demand for iridium for hydrogen production would eat up the current global production on its own. Going by how rare earths are mined at the moment, things have to change a lot to not by environmentally, socially and economically exploitative
@@FrederikAbramson ironically enough its NOT the rare earth quantity/r''rarity'' the issue but the process of refining them that is just so costly and frustrating . So if you find and asteroid that has a marsh mellow of rare earth metals... you re still in trouble. With the Iridium platinum family Rhenium ...its a different story
"At the moment the electrolyzers need rear earth materials like platinum and iridium as catalysts " WRONG. Read the latest news on this topic. There are new catalyst announcements every month.
Platinum is NOT a 'rare earth' ! Stop using terms you clearly don't understand. There is no 'rare earth mining' involved (with its ALLEGED awful horrifying environmental costs, as if mining for other stuff has none).
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Amazing how you skip over the dangers of Hydrogen. It is the smallest atom in the universe and is very difficult to contain; it corrodes metals quickly. To store H2 requires freezing it to just above absolute Zero and compression to 700bar; both of these require more energy. H2 is highly explosive - Hindenburg anyone? Too make sense H2 needs to be produced close to where it will be used. Using electricity to make H2 to make Electricity does not make sense; it is at best 40% Energy efficient.Was this documentary paid for by the Oil & Gas industry.?
This is true but LNG, LPG even oil vapour is highly flammable too. It doesn't *corrode* metals but may have other effects. You require plastic coatings. At least H2 is light so rapidly disperses up wards in the environment unlike hydrocarbons that pool at ground level. As to the economy of the process, if the electricity is being produced 'dirt cheap' as it should be in the desert, low overall efficiency of the process is entirely acceptable.
@@grahamstevenson1740 no carbon based fossil fuel has anywhere near the volatility of H². The idea that H² just somehow evaporates is wrong; it is more likely to explode - violently. Have you ever been in a desert? Ever been in Namibia? Namibia has only 1 viable harbour on its coastline; Walvis Bay. It is a tiny harbour and would require extensive modifications; China just funded a major expansion of the container port so maybe German investment would not be welcome. This part of the coastline due to several geographical, meteorological and physical features is unique. It is 2000+ miles of sandy shore, has large mist banks that can stretch up to 100km+ inshore and is not called the Skeleton coast for nothing. It has 14mm of annual rain - around half an inch. It has a small population and very little infrastructure. To produce H² you would have to desalinate sea water and then split molecules to make H². A solar farm would need to be at least 30 km from the port thus meaning major construction of power lines to an H²/desalination plant. This would mean losses in transmission and therefore a bigger solar plant. Then you would need infrastructure to support all this and accommodation etc for employees. Then you would need to build an entire new harbour facility. In the beginning you would require specialist labour and this costs big bucks to get them and families to live here. Chile has similar issues; just further away from Germany. I have written a thesis on using renewables to desalinate sea water.
@@GreenStarTechThere's potentially Luderitz but that's in an environmentally sensitive area, with several endemic species found nowhere else, or in one or two local spots within Namibia. The project planned here will destroy so much nature here. We're also world famous for the oysters we grow here, they'll be gone. No more Crayfish or lobster either, no more fishing, tourism will be affected at best, chased out at worst since they'll see how much nature will be destroyed.
Germany will monitor labor rights from the battery country.. lol.. They have such huge business with China n never took any action on degraded labor right n government police-ing..
So what? What is your intention? Should we rewrite history because you don‘t like facts? Germany is very well aware of it‘s past and present with the DDR and the US troops in Germany.
if you think about how much of a distance this already expensive fuel will need to take to reach Germany, and costs and hazards associated with it it does not make sense. Better to create diversified local sources of hydrogen by employ own electricity sources (wind/solar, temporarily nuclear/coal). This would make it far more secure for also geopolitical risks. You could use improved coal plants to generate electricity without pollution.
The major issue for Germany will be emergy dependency. Simply, transferrinf the dependency from Russia (gas) to countires like Namabia and Chile (green hydrogen).
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Saying Namibia is going to become a battery country for other countries is like saying Saudi Arabia became fuel station for other countries. Yes, they gained massively from it.
Any country that can become a massive energy producer should do so. Why would you purposefully stay poor?
There is no quicker way for poor countries to become rich than to form mutually beneficial relationships with rich countries. This is how China's meteoric rise happened. They would never have been able to grow so fast if it wasn't for exporting to the USA and Europe.
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Look at norway for instance
Are you really that clueless. What a ridiculous thing to say. Oil and gas production do not take up half a country's energy and water. Tell us, why doesn't Germany produce its own green hydrogen since they have more energy and water than Namibia and Chile? Why does Germany want to take up water and energy from desert countries? Half the electricity that Namibia and Chile will be producing will be used to power German hydrogen factories, that is why they say those countries are batteries for Germany. You are a clown with terrible listening comprehension skills.
Set up those hydrogen plants in your own countries. You have more water and electricity than poor global south countries. Use up your own water and electricity. Stop exploiting the global south. Its insane the amount of electricity and water that goes into hydrogen production that is why the west wants other countries to produce the hydrogen for them.
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The land usage issue is laughable. Namibia is one of the least densely populated countries in the world at 3 people per square kilometer vs 234 people per square kilometer in Germany. Furthermore its mostly desert.
you forget h comes from water. fresh water not sea water which is very corrosive how will people get water to drink from
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Namibia's population will eventually grow. And you people want to steal land, water and electricity from poor countries. Germany has more land, water and electricity than Namibia, why doesn't it use its own? Obviously Germany is outsourcing the downsides that come with hydrogen production.
Furthermore it is theirs.
@@dorrisday1518 not for long
they really are stretching to find downsides.
All the negatives they say; labour standards, exporting resources that are needed locally because you can get higher prices abroad, using water & land for an export industry, the existence of competition.. All of these apply to every industry and every form of economic development, e.g. agriculture. It's something to manage for sure, but if the potential existence of these issues are deal breakers then you are against all trade, not just energy.
The positive view is that today some countries have a lot of sun, but cannot leverage that as a resource to benefit their population. if this industry can work, that situation will change and there can be a win-win situation with investment, employment etc.
Ultimately It is far preferable for the world economy to have many countries who can produce and export energy compared to the current situation where effectively we are all coerced into funding oppressive regimes because a substantial part of the worlds energy resources are in countries with no respect for human rights and there is no alternative except to buy from them. If many countries produce green hydro, then we can prefer to purchase energy from countries who are good neighbours.
you forget h comes from water. fresh water not sea water which is very corrosive how will people get water to drink from
Europe is broke with no commodities to trade from
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what makes you think namibia wont be a "represive regime"?
Yeah, it was from the get go this documentary was of incredible poor quality
I can find you disadvantages. We take for granted that hydrogen is all nice but it isn't. Using hydrogen instead of electricity directly means that energy production is going to be less efficient and more complex. To use it we need new (really expensive) infrastructure. And Germany is going to be dependent on yet another country just like it was with Russia (although it's probably much safer with namibia).
I'm not seeing the issue with one country producing and exporting an energy source to anther country. Particularly if it helps a developing economy in the process. Trade can be mutually beneficial to all parties. So if a country has a lot of sunlight and/or wind, they absolutely should leverage those advantages in every way possible including through hydrogen production.
Exactly. I see no 'exploitation' at all. It's like saying oil producing nations are being exploited for selling oil. Also, Namibia has huge desert regions, it's not a 'park' as this documentary dupliciitaily suggests.
The whole green hydrogen energy business is con. If you want green energy you can generate it from nuclear fission if you want to and it is even more efficient, but if you already have the nuclear then why don't you deliver it directly to where it is needed?
Green hydrogen is only meaningful for vehicles and other facilities which are isolated from the grid. This whole thing is a waste of taxpayer's money.
There are also sources of sunshine close to Europe like North Africa, but then you have Al Qaeda to deal with. And who are the main backers of Al Qaeda? Germany's own G7 partners.
The only ones who would actually think that have some sort of bias against the purchasing country. I didn't hear the non Western aligned world congratulate Russia last year from being free of the "tyrannical" European energy market. To continue on this half baked argument for the sake of humor, it would be similar to accuse Germany (or any energy importing country) of benefiting from buying US or Middle Eastern LNG.
That's white men imperialism apparently
The problem is that it is being done for the purpose of an illusion of green energy when it actually creates even more pollution from coal powered manufacturing of the equipment in China and the shipping of the hydrogen products to Europe.
The excellent idea is that Germany does not depend on natural gas from Rasia anymore. Namibia and Chile also could benefit and develop for the needs of local consumption from the project. That is a win-win situation.
Yes as a German I am absolutly positiv. It is very important for the environment that we leave fossile energy. In the beginning it will be more expensive but in the long run, it will become cheaper. Yeah and of course we should make it a win win situation for good relationship also. You can see how important that is.
Germany imports coal now 😂
Namibia and Chile should also set up frameworks so that the investment isn't exploitative as history suggest.
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It is, including for large countries with an already large renewable grid such as Brazil. What people must consider is these two additional factors: first, you need to understand how much land are involved and what part of those countries will develop those structures, as they are, comparing to European countries, very large countries with large swaths of unoccupied or deserted land. Second factor is that those H2 plants will generate important developing factors, attracting other industries and improving the economy and the educational system, all those have a chain effect that is extremely important for developing nations.
The West "paying honestly" in a trade is very ironic. It doesn't exist in your playbooks.
Do journalists have to make everything so negative?! It’s like journalists are too afraid that the world is too peaceful. Such a shame!
Negative no, dubious yes because the track record like other western nations coming in promising pie in the sky is BAD. Corruption abounds and locals remain in poverty.
@@mdsoulsounds Do you think the corruption problem would be better if these countries wouldn't export resources? The corrupt politicians there are the same regardless.
Journalism is there to report on the facts/ current issues/ problems.
You want everything to be puff pieces? We're trying to do the same here in Australia in producing Hyrdogen as a fuel. What a re you upset about really?
It is only business. At 50%, everyone should be happy
Namibia is a relatively advanced abs peaceful African country. They’re exploiting the offshore oil that they recently discovered. They want to do business. They have uranium too which is mined already.
Namibia is a country of just 2 million people. If there is no water scarcity then they can make a killing out of green hydrogen.
The latest technology out of an Australian University is using ocean saltwater without desalination to produce hydrogen.
So fresh water need not be used and salt brine need not be dumped back into the oceans.
Also tidal energy is more efficient and more abundant than wind and less periodic than both solar and wind.
The worlds oceans can literally provide all the energy we need and without polluting it if we so choose to go in that direction.
They said they’re using ocean water
Green hydrogen is a myth. It’s a big lie to still eek out the last use of fossil fuels. The plan will fail. And then they will say oh well we’ll just keep producing h2 the same old way.
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@@shafthespaceegg They'll need to desalinate it if they're not to end up making Chlorine gas !
Unpopular opinion:
Our world do not run on charity, Germany did its part on the deal with bringing in the capital and technology that Namibia lacks while complying the local laws, it is up to Namibia to consult its citizens and execute the distribution of wealth
If every single formerly-colonized states rely on the investing nation on solving their social inequality which by the way they chose to inherit it from the colonial system instead of reforming it, well, they may as well as giving up their sovereignty.
Then why not say that? Europe and USA need to stop coming into Africa like they're doing a charity case. Treat it like a business and then no one will act surprised. Duh
Because that inequality is not naturally occuring, colonialism and imperialism brought that about. Therefore, the former colonising nation has to adress the power imbalance.
That's a common sense opinion!
@@SemiIocon The inequality between sub-saharan Africa and Eurasia stems from the difference in agricultural developement. People in Eurasia domesticated important plants and animals thousands of years earlier than sub-saharan Africans. Thus Eurasians could develop wealthy and powerful societies much earlier. So colonlialism is the consequence of inequality rather than the reason for it.
@@SemiIocon When mentioning colonialism, it is easily forgot how the indigenous population is in fact part of the scheme as well, take Kingdom of Kongo for an example, the Portuguese buy slave from them but it is Kongo that conquer and capture the population as commodity, another example is the Reduction of Lagos in 1851, the British did not actually annex Nigeria if it isn't the then King (Oba) of Lagos Kosoko refuse to end the slave trade. You heard it right, the British wanted to end slavery trade but the Nigerian king refuse to, how about this side of colonialism?
Let bygone be bygone? Fine, the truth is, technology blueprint and capital do not grow on trees, the global south might have a disadvantage to catch up with the industrialized nations, but they have access to existing technology and investment which they do not have to start from the beginning as well. 'Adress the power imbalance' is a rather fancy term for interest agenda at best, populism at worst.
I hate the righteous smugness of the journalist, "who will actually benefit from green hydrogen?" Implying the same old BS that investment and jobs = evil (if it's from the "west"). DW should not need to frontload negativity to a project that ALL countries fight so hard to get; renewable power industry + energy exports, and money to make it happen. Any poor labor standards, etc. Can only survive investor checks if the local authorities actively cover them up.
That's just how you interpret it. Would you rather nobody hears the story at all? Do you know what our leaders would get away with? Without a loud press, good and bad press, then, you have Russia, China, Iran, etc. A few billionaires, and the rest of the people are slaves.
It’s Africa, renowned for sophisticated European manipulation of the less adept and bribe- weary local politicians. Look no further than how France continues resource controls from its impoverished former colonies.
Well said
@The people of Europe about what?
I hate ignorance. You should be thankful to even touch african ground after not paying reperations and not giving back namibian artifacts for so long. If you dont want to respect the "BS" you can stay where you are with expensive fracking gas.
Nonsense arguments by this journalists... In Namibia it is not a case of using valuable lands. Thousands of Miles of desert where no -one can and will ever live. Pse just visit such countries....
The journalists are not the ones who made up those arguments. They are just reflecting them.
you forget h comes from water. fresh water not sea water which is very corrosive how will people get water to drink from
It's the tired old Marxist rhetoric where trade is seen as automatically exploitative (along with everything else in capitalism), even though in the real world the alternative (no trade/competition) would be worse. It's why they never follow up the criticism with anything constructive. The outcome they ostensibly want (no trade) would make both developed and developing countries more poor. And stop the green hydrogen plans.
@@maxs.1880 Whoever came up with these half-baked criticisms need their heads examining. Exploiting a DESERT !!! ???? Surely finding a good use for otherwise unproductive land is an excellent idea.
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The land is unused, empty desert and the water comes from the ocean. I really did not understand what the problem here is.
Aside from the water requiring desalination, there is no problem. Namibia has a long coastline, so water's not a problem.
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They literally explained how they are gonna exploit cheap labor and there is doubt about who is gonna benefit. Kinda hard to understand if you already come in biased my guy.
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The take of Chilie professor is just not smart. Chilie can literally set up any regulation on export that it wants, and it can get a lot of money from such exports, and how exactly diesel water trucks correlate with hydrogen export?
to understand that, you need to read up on the cocachamba water wars. this has happened before and not in a gentle way either.
@@nvmtt I thought the Cocachamba water protests was about increased fresh water costs because of the privatization of the water company. The green hydrogen plants in other countries use sea water that can't be used for drinking. Is the project in Chile proposing using fresh water sources?
That's the reason Latin America is poor. Too many professors like this one.
There is a point in saying that industrialized countries have exploited the global south for quite a long time. However, if someone thinks that protectionism is the solution, then she or he did not understand one of the corner stones how industrialized countries built their wealth. Trading resources and goods can and will lead to a better allocation of resources (both natural and financial). Consequently, trade increases wealth in both countries: The ones that import and the ones that export. If you are a resource rich country, then what are these resources worth if you don't sell them? Basically nothing. The key question comes down to mutual beneficial conditions which protect the environment in the global south and increase the overall wealth in these countries.
H2 ...This is why Population laughs a government " experts " ...basic science .. green hydrogen produced on today's fossil-heavy grid in Texas, for example, would have an average annual carbon intensity ***over 20 kg CO2 *** per kg H2 !!! ...you are brain dead
Namibia is over twice as large as Germany, with a population of less than 3 million, mostly living on the coastal south east, plenty of uninhabitable land exist. It does need a European partnership to realize potential and Germany is far more trustworthy than France Italy or Spain. Financial safeguards must be put in place to insure Namibia’s economic growth: Germany local infrastructure investment, foreign company finances/ profits deposited / retained locally in banks of 25-40% to avoid money flight, independent international accounting services to monitor/ regulate procedures of local government, officials, and companies to fight bribery, apprenticeships/ tech schools for local population, labor contracts for locals to include health care, and more. YEP, a partnership with teeth could work!
I agree, it is not like that desert is used for much useful. This can be a win-win, but Namibia must get a contract with future cleanup included.
Trustworthy? Africa doesn't trust the west anymore the age of European exploitation is over...
How about reparations
@@susuilu That's a historical welfare cheque.
Yes, to you the desert is not useful so why do you want it. Stop the pretense and be sincere with yourself for once. While we welcome investments in Africa, you cannot eat your cake and have it while the people whom you disguise to help are left with crumbs or nothing. There is little or no trust for the European in Africa as you guys have shown us what you are made of.
Producing hydrogen in Latin America for consumption in Europe is insanity. Hydrogen production should be regionalized if it's going to make economic sense.
So glad to see a comment of someone who has had a logical thought and not only praising the hype
If Germany doesn't invest then someone else will, most likely China. And China will exploit as has been seen where ever they invest. And these countries need investment. Also give these countries some semblance of knowing what is best for their people. They may be in the southern hemisphere but there are lots of intelligent people there. They have learnt from the past as well and don't need their noses rubbed in it. This is global business.
China is already heavily invested in them. In 2006, there was an estimated 40,000 Chinese people living in Namibia
@@za7v9ier dont worry , they'ill do the GOOD WILL GESTURE :)
IF GERMANY gets there ... the competition will soffocate them
Are you just anti-chinese to automatically assume they will exploit them?
It is unfortunate people of a fairer skin complexion living in the north(like those working in DW News), think people living in African countries cant run their own countries and sign foreign trade deals with richer countries.
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We know that both Africa and Latin America have not benefited from the production of raw materials for the progress of the "global north", but this is not the case of Chile. Chile has benefited and we do not victimize ourselves. For a reason we are the most advanced country in Latin America and the 33rd most competitive in the world. That is why we are not afraid of new productive sources and of continuing to benefit the global north because we know how to get our good cut and manage it correctly for our benefit.
It could turn deserts into green pastures offering shade to the vast desert lands. However, it would have to be done via solar desalination and not using the drinkable water. Otherwise they are effectively exporting water from a desert region via hydrogen production. The whole operation has to be done via renewable energy.
Yes! Many pieces of research out there: agri-solar etc.
The Namibian desert is next to the sea. Is sea water that will be used.
This is a dead end for many countries. France can produce green hydrogen much cheaper from it's nuclear reactors. They just need to upgrade their plants, and invest in the nuclear industry. Some Germans right now think Nuclear is icky, but that will change once the bill comes. Also hydrogen from nuclear will be less carbon intensive than hydrogen from wind/solar. So cheaper hydrogen from France and much lower transport costs will outcompete hydrogen from Chile/Namibia. So my advice to locals, make sure you are not stuck with the bill if suddenly Germany doesn't want to buy your product anymore. And make sure the clean up is financed through a fund your politicians can't raid.
Germany is stuck on a bad path. Don't get dragged down with them if you can avoid it.
Space for solar panels is not an issue in Namibia and it will create jobs and capacity that did not previously exist.
It will create more jobs for china than Namibia
It will create a rubbish dump
DW, you have no idea! Have you been to Namibia yet? Do you understand that if Germany help Namibia to not use high carbon electricity from South Africa the world has a net saving on CO2 gas. This is done in auto industry in some way where small engine cars offset big engine CO2 levels. Wake up and stop seeking fault where there are non yet. Have you people seen the Namib desert? I am a Namibian! BRAVO to Germany for doing something that Namibia was not able to do now.
A couple of obvious points up front:
1. The coastal sun belt countries have very obvious and real resources that they simply must take advantage of and could easily turn them into the new oil countries
2. Hydrogen is far not as transportable as the hydrogen lobbies want us to believe. There is so much background material on this there's no point in rehashing it here.
The upshot is that these countries should absolutely jump on the solar energy bandwagon, but not for hydrogen as an energy source in itself but rather for much more transportable and valuable feedstock materials: aluminum, steel and ammonia production. These materials are perfect for remote production because they require A LOT of energy to make, yet are easily and cheaply transportable. And while aluminum depends less on coastal proximity other than for shipping, green steel and ammonia are best suited for sunny coastal production because they require hydrogen and thus water. Because hydrogen is so lossy and expensive to transport, it is best produced on-site where it is needed in molecular form. It will never be a sensible energy carrier because of the extremely lossy bidirectional conversions required. But a large swath of the globe around the equator could and should become the new economic feedstock of the world. The trick is in how to accomplish this to where everyone wins.
Maybe Germany shouldn't have closed every nuclear plant
It seems like every trade with developing countries is considered unfair by definition, no matter what the deal is. I also don't understand the problem with considering hydrogen as an export product. The Netherlands produces lots of vegetables and meat for other countries. Does anyone say it's crazy that the Netherlands produce more food for other countries than for themselves? What's the matter. If anything is paternalizing those countries, it is this reaction.
Maybe it would be a good idea to move the industry that needs the resources to where the energy is produced instead of transporting the fuel, just a thought.
@@cyclewisconsin105 That's not how a global economy works. Most industries need certain demographics to cover certain workforces.
@@cyclewisconsin105 Germany is a cold country in the northern hemisphere. They do not get the same amount of energy from the sun as a county like Namibia, besides being mostly uninhabited except for the coastal regions. In Germany those dame solar panels would be covered by snow for a quarter of the year, and more than another quarter at night, besides just getting less energy from the sun straight up because the atmosphere is denser at an angle. And also, solar panels = less mining in those same countries, so that's a win win by definition
Its just hatred of Europeans. For any European country to consider a trade deal with and underdeveloped country is considered racism at this point. quite ridiculous.
@@cyclewisconsin105
Yes and in general that is an advantage.
Only if the theories of the man with the narrow mustache is believed, will it be a disadvantage.
These are both democratic sovereign countries, its up to them how they want to do this. I see opportunity for them, in Namibia most of the country is unihabited and its their decision if they want to use that vast resource for hydrogen.
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Namibia Green Hydrogen Investment Forum - T&T Corporation Ltd
spoken like a non Namibian.
Sovereign Countries??? Think best you visit history.
T&T Corporation is not a country
If Germany is serious it should create training programs in both Namibia and Germany to raise a cadre of solar/hydrogen engineers. Otherwise it’s back to colonialism.
Germany is not investing. Just another corp -Namibia Green Hydrogen Investment Forum - T&T Corporation Ltd
There are a lot of solar projects and wind, happening in Namibia already. Namibia has human capital. Also, German through the GIZ has funded a lot of students-undergraduate and postgraduate, and a lot of researches.
Basis rule to remember : Once you start transporting hydrogen it becames expensive. Use hydrogen locally yes, transporting it is waiste of mony and green energy from renewable source.
Probably best option for transport is to convert to ammonia.
Europe is broke with no commodities to trade from
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That is in fact the only valid criticism I can see for this idea.
It's a matter of volume. Just as for crude oil. Also consider that not all countries have the same load factors. Germany offshore wind power will yield 45% load factor. Chile >70%.
Same for solar panel. Again. It's not about year 5 physics. It's about uni level economics.
Another basic rule to remember: When politicians make economic decisions based on ideologies instead of engineering, you get stalled windmills in Palm Springs and solar panel boondoggles like Solyndra. "Solyndra received a $535 million U.S. Department of Energy loan guarantee, the first recipient of a loan guarantee under President Barack Obama's economic stimulus program, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.[19] The loan program took a $528 million loss from Solyndra.[20][21] Additionally, Solyndra received a $25.1 million tax break from California's Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority." - Wikipedia
The only reason this is being considered is because of Germany's aversion to nuclear. Next door in Poland there are plans to build next gen nuclear plants to use for industrial heat. Container ships could be electrified with massive batteries. So can cars and trucks. Hydrogen as a "fuel source" is very inefficient. It can transport energy, but the only way to make that economical is if the original energy source is extremely cheap.
Nuclear power requires uranium which is expensive, found in Africa or Asia or America not Europe so high transportation cost, it's highly radioactive, extremely pollutant, and the byproduct is hazardous fatally toxic to all living things. Do you think it's worth it. Nuclear power is yesterday's news.
Somehow Western Australia has similar conditions in Asia pacific. It's very dry, mostly desert, sunny most of the year. There are various mining sites in the state but land is too vast and empty perfect for solar and green hydrogen projects. Only issue is it's remote even for most part of Australian population centres.
Not to mention Australia doesn't sit anywhere near the global trade route. That's gonna be one expensive hydrogen.
@@bulthaosen1169 What? Have you look at the map? Western Australia is near Malaka straits. Which is the center of global trade and shipping
@@falsch4761 it's not near. How in the world is that distance near? Not to mention since australia is at the edge you have to cover that distance twice.
@@bulthaosen1169 It closer as namibia and Germany if that suit you, People dont realize this simple fact and I predict you will try to attack me for stating the fact..
@@falsch4761 dude I am just stating the geographical fact. It's not like I built the planet.
I admire DW for its journalism and hate the North for exploiting the South, but properly using green energy in one country for massive needs for green energy in other country can't be bad for any. Namibia and Africa definitely need more investments from the North to help with the transition to renewable energy.
It's not that complicated. The west is sitting on centuries of stolen African wealth. If they want to survive the climate crisis then they need to give it back. Both sides can't profit.
Yes it can be very bad to give a poor country the ability to get a advance in technology. They can start to be independent from rich country and become rich themself. Really? If no rich country invest or trade with poor country because someone can be offended and say we exploit them, then they gonna stay poor forever.
Germany doesn't know what "green" means. It's not shutting down nuclear power plants and pursuing faith-based technologies that don't actually work.
@@AstroGremlinAmerican Nuclear Power Plants are green. It is the best way to ceate electic. Much less pollution than Gas. oil, coal Power Plants. And with water you need a big dam and destroy wild life and flora. Same goes with Wind mills birds and animals do not go well with those things. If I could chose it would be Nuclear all the way.
Namibia Green Hydrogen Investment Forum - T&T Corporation Ltd
All investments in energy that will be used in the EU should be produced in the EU. EU needs to be independent of all forms of energy. Right now a lot of other countries have control over the EUs energy market and just like gas was turned off oil from Saudi Arabia or Hydrogen from Namibia can be turned off when relations go bad.
As long as they hire local labors and make sure there is transfer of skills.I don't see an issue.
So inefficient, not green and imposible to transport.
Norway is another country that is - due to its potential for pumped hydro - hugely important for the transition to renewable energy in Germany and Europe.
But nobody thinks they will be unfairly exploited. Because even international oil companies did not succeed in exploiting Norway.
Why so? Because they are not a sh...hole country corroded by corruption.
So now it is to blame those poor countries for their inability to stand out against the European and US imperialism?
Well, if the US and Uk have not "couped" pretty much all democracies across the developing world, they wouldn't have turned into these corrupted countries.
But sh_thole nations are awesome for doing business. You don't have to deal with namby pamby quasi-communism in the form of environmental standards and worker's rights. As my dad says, "Hang all the greens, I wantz m4h leafy greenz."
Suffice to say he is pro-Beijing.
@@alaaal-mosfi5735 Here is news: The US have also "couped" Germany in 1945 and then largely influenced the implementation of the political system that subsequently lead to 70 years of prosperity and stability.
Why did that not work out in other countries such as Iraq? Better ask yourself that question rather than blaming others for your misery.
@@lingen2193 (Why did that not work out in other countries such as Iraq) Maybe because killing the only guy keeping the terrorists at bay and then providing those guys with air support ended just as everyone predicted it would.
Yes, it is self-responsibility of the people who live there.
For Europe, Nuclear is more practical.
Japan is said to be slow in the eV market, but it is not. It was forced to adopted H2 as national strategy because it lack the critical minerals and processing capacity to go the battery eV route. Germany appears to be another Japan, trying to save itself via H2 and green ICE for the lack of critical minerals/metals. By 2030 we'll see if Germany made the right choice or perhaps there never was a choice.
Here in the UK we have roads and Cul-de-sacs called _'Vine Street or Vineyard Road etc'_ because back in Roman times we had vineyards everywhere... but not today because with some exceptions, its too cold.
What I want to know is who was causing global warming in the time of the Romans, unless... the whole thing is a lie.
However badly this project may have started in terms of treating the local nation, it’ll be hundred times better than how the Chinese would treat the local population.
true
We like CHINESE better, that's it... dont step into our shoes uninvited.
we already told the GERMAN delegation.
germans would have exterminated africans if they had won
Sure just allow more Namibians into Germany in return. Great plan 👍🏻
Windfarms and solarpanels take up alot of land...Namibia is 97% empty. So why is that a problem?
Because they have to say something negative
you forget h comes from water. fresh water not sea water which is very corrosive how will people get water to drink from
DW: You do NOT get carbon neutral anything from using solar power. Everything manufactured requires polluting to some extent.
The most you can say about renewables is that they can be low carbon.
3:58 “Local authorities warn that solar panels take massive amounts of land” - shows the building site in a completely lifeless desert, not even a tree there. Media more fixed on unused land being used for renewables than toxic gas from fossil killing millions every year - exaggerating now… They will get less pollution and lots of money on exports which will be invested in populated areas and they worry for the vast unused desert…
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Important and interesting topic. Sadly, video in my opinion diminished by distracting production choices like the ominous background music, tacky bullet point sound effects, and dramatic zoom jump cuts on the presenter.
> and dramatic zoom jump cuts on the presenter.
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Underpaid and unskilled staff working for DW, I guess. Instead of hiring professional video editing staff, all the money from broadcasting fees and TH-cam monetisation is presumably used to maintain the DW directors' pension system, I'm afraid.
Super simple: if labor rights and ecological preservation are not upheld, Germany shouldn’t buy, or put it into contracts that if those standards fail to be met there will be financial penalties
Actually, I think the title should be: Is Germany paying the global south?
What a huge economic opportunity for Namibia !
How the companies get the hydrogen won't give any benefits. Like watch the video
The hype around hydrogen is killing me. Germany should have kept its nuclear powerplants instead of investing in massive over-engineered projects.
I was wondering when we'd see the usual nuke bro comment. If you are *REALLY* worried about CO2 emissions, then you should be 100% behind green H2. Not denigrating it.
@@alainpannetier2543 H2 isn't an energy source. It's just a mean of transport and storage of energy. And it's not very good at both. They apparently need H2 facilities because they can't produce enough energy with renewable themselves and thus need to transport energy from very far away (Namibia). If they had kept their nuclear powerplants, those issues wouldn't be there.
@@arthurhq5741 FOR GOD SAKE, stop it with this energy vector vs energy source BS. In fossil fuels just as much as in diatomic hydrogen, energy is stored in the chemical bonds. This vector BS has no physical justification whatsoever. You even have natural H2 sources. H2 is three times the calorific power of alcanes per kg.
Hilarious to claim that renewables are more "over-engineered" than nuclear. Nuke-bros have a different kind of brain.
@@alainpannetier2543 Ok, so :
- I have nothing against renewables
- hydrogen doesn't naturally occur in meaningful quantities
- hydrogen is low in energy density by volume. Storing it at 700 bars (and 700 bars is a VERY high pressure) makes the issue smaller but it's still there. At that pressure, it is still 4 times less energy dense by volume than LNG. Hydrogen is also very aggressive to most materials, so compared to LNG you'll need a very large, very strong tank (chemically and physically). Transporting it is going to be a real pain.
- Hydrogen causes energy loss because you need to convert electricity to hydrogen back to electricity. And you also need to compress it at extreme pressures and transport it.
- Germany already had nuclear powerplants. If the question was to build new ones, the situation would be different. But it doesn't matter if they were over-engineered, because they were already there.
As a chilean myself I love the change that we are having in our energy source, more than 55% of our energy comes from renewable sources and it’s increasing very fast. In my personal opinion Gabriela Cabaña example of Chiloe does not make any senses, our strategy does not affect the water of our rivers. Green hydrogen is not going to make our south region go dryer.
Chile and world need to lower carbon emissions, so we can fight climate change. Interviewees in this video seem to be looking for excuses more than solutions.
Chile and Namibia have a good opportunity to develop and be part of low carbon future. Hopefully sooner than later.
I will love to see many Germany, Chile and Namibia work together for a better future. 🇩🇪🇨🇱🇳🇦
why would there be a water shortage if the water is from the ocean?
Using salt water in a chemical process sounds like a recipe for corrosion.
@@TheGreenReaper nailed it.
Have to desalt it first.
you have to have some form of ions for electrolysis though
electrode corrosion is indeed a problem
@@RandomGuy9 Which, in a hot place with lots of sun, shouldn't be too tricky.
Anything but nuclear, eh Germany? Those tsunamis and Green activists have the politicians spooked.
Oh, but they'll be importing plenty of it in the future to prop this all up. Poland switching from coal to nuclear, Slovakia, Czech Republic, etc.
Me in Grade 7: If they need hydrogen why don't they figure out a way to get it out of saltwater
Science Teacher: Would you pay attention, that's impossible because....
25 years later: ....
Germany needs to address the nasty colonial atrocities Germans committed against the Namibias before Germany can even dream of doing business in Namibia. There is zero trust between Germans and Namibians and trust is the foundation for a successful business partnership.
What do you want?
Can we please try to take a positive attitude towards the upcoming energy transformation? Change is also a possibility to make things better than in the past.
Europe is broke with no commodities to trade from
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It’s good to be cautious. Europe does not have a good track record with Africa in particular
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@@rwmroy More like Africa doesn't have a good track record of democratic, honest government. Why invest in it when the leadership there will just use the money to ensure they never lose power?
@@timmurphy5541 Then go find your green energy somewhere else
They want hydrogen to be expensive 🤣😂😁
This is not going to benefit Namibian nation but the current government with its corrupt system…
If the government is corrupt, then that is something that the people of Namibia should fix. Germany can't do much about that.
@@SocratesAth Totally agree. So many people seem to fixate over the bad effects of greed/corruption, yet ignore the absurdly simple solution. The French had a very simple solution indeed in the guillotine.
The critique is from the wrong perspective. There is nothing wrong with countries producing exports to Europe! However, it actually makes more sense to move energy intensive industry to renewable rich countries like Namibia. That in turn would allow this countries to industrial use rather than be simply first order raw resource extractors.
It is good that Germany has a focus on making it fair for the energy-producing countries, but as the market matures, and there is more competition between the energy producers, then the mentioned "race to the bottom" begins. So to avoid this there need to be some deal made between all the energy producing nations, that enforces some set of minimum conditions per energy project - else the nation with the worst possible conditions will win on the price of the energy, and pull everyone else down to those conditions.
that's not going to happen, but what could be done would be something like an EU subsidy for green hydrogen that meets certain standards, to make it more competitive.
Nice try but any time you explain to Americans that they need to play fair by international rules, they will stammer, "I didn't vote for that; that's Communism."
Expect the Russians and Saudis to give no better answers.
@@Ass_of_Amalek
Also won’t happen
But a fantastic idea
Isn‘t this exactly what OPEC is for oil. So that practise has a proven track record.
That would be a sort of OPEC for green hydrogen.
Why not restart your carbon-free nuclear power plants. Cooling and transport hydrogen is carbon intensive. Ships run on diesel.
Everyone always thinks first, colonialism etc. Isn't it good that someone is investing there, and providing jobs, and doing something good their own crooked leader's won't do because they keep all the money??
No. The crooked leaders and the investors will be the ones to benefit. Who do you thinks sets up the regulations? The crooked leaders.
you forget h comes from water. fresh water not sea water which is very corrosive how will people get water to drink from
The only people who think this is some form of neo-colonialism is hare-brained lefties who always want to put down the developed world. The developing world can only progress though working TOGETHER with countries like Germany to bring them technological advances like this.
How do you know their leaders are crook
All European projects start with we will help and then it goes down the drain with looting. People in the west would never understand the reality in this documentary and all the questions
I would not be so concerned about land use. Many African countries have huge swathes of land. I would be more concerned about water. Even if it is extracted from the ocean, you still have the problem with the brine. Also, corruption is rampant in many countries of the global south and hence the money from green hydrogen will potentially fall into few hands only. However, this is also hard to combat because it is a domestic problem of these countries. You can't just replace politicians however you want. After all, interventions of industrialized countries in the global south have a long track record of being unsuccessful in the end and causing a lot more harm than anything else.
So don't engage in business
Why do business knowing only you are gaining
Bad business ethics
All eat or no one eat
Furthermore
Why would Africa invite Germans and other war monggers nations ?
Colonisers thieves ???
All money is not good money
West I suggest should buy American stuff and thats it
@@mkodyglobalsouthsoldier You sound very bitter and also very undifferentiated. Consequently, it seems that you are trying to deflect all the blame for failing African countries to industrialized countries. And although colonialism and neo-imperialism have unarguably taken its toll on African countries, you cannot simply deflect all blame for the current condition of African countries to industrialized countries. Otherwise, if you think this thought until the very end, it means that industrialized countries should come to your country and restructure all government structures to bring it into working condition. Then you have come full circle, because this would be full blown colonialism again. Also, you would be communicating that your people are by nature unable to set up their country properly, thus introducing a racial component also. I hope that is not what you actually intend, but if you want to be independent, then you also have to take up the responsibility at some point. Then, you cannot just say that everything in your country is broken because of industrialized countries. You then have to ask yourself what you can do better to weed out the problems in your country. Also, there are positive examples in Africa such as Botswana.
@@fr89k simple answer
Close borders and cut ties briefly shortly
Industry means that group who protect environment will come and kick the door 😂
It's a trap for Africa and Asians to never grow after white world had Industry era development
Halt it now 😉 climate change angle
We can discuss terms and rules of engagement later
1 side is losing out
And Jesus and peace talks and let's hold hands won't change the gap in theft and losses gained by 1 side
Holocaust survivors don't settle for less
Why should Africans who gained freedom last 60 or so years to self govern while in invisible political chains ??
Europe are con criminals
It's in the dna
1500 till today
Every 100 yeear new generations and same topic
What is to gain from Africa....
@@mkodyglobalsouthsoldier "Holocaust survivors don't settle for less. Why should Africans who gained freedom last 60 or so years to self govern while in invisible political chains ??" - So you basically want industrialized countries to come back and do a colonialism 2.0, because you just don't want to govern yourself??? And btw.: The people of Israel were determined and have formed a very successful industrialized countries after WWII. That is not the result of demanding lots of support from Germany, but it's the result of self-determination and hard work. In contrast, with your attitude it's no wonder if your country is in shambles. Independence means self-governance and taking matters into your own hands and forming your future. It does not mean complaining about the past and waiting for somebody else to take over the government for you. In fact, it's the exact opposite of self-determination.
"It's in the dna" - Ah, there we have it. Okay, so you are indeed a racist. If you want to believe that African people (or at least some of the African ethnicities) are inherently unable to govern themselves and European ethnicities are inherently criminal, then I prefer not to continue this discussion. Discussions with racists never lead anywhere...
Any brine goes back to the ocean where the impact is miniscule. Corruption is everywhere you care to look (e.g. Russia on the industrial scale. Africa barely registers). It is not an excuse for INACTION !
You need a pure water to make hydrogen fuels. They are using only freshwater to produce their fuel. These should need the requirement of being made by saltwater or not at all. We already are facing a freshwater shortage going forward. Why did DW not make the concerns about that. DW is great in some respects on certain topics but sometimes they are controlling the narrative.
I guess there are no easy and perfect solutions to the complex problems we are facing today. If they somehow could use sea water, that would certainly solve most of the problems. Land use is a major issue if you use arable land, but these countries have a lot of desert which could theoretically be used without causing competition between hydrogen production and agriculture.
Whether you are the "battery country", the corn chamber, or just provide a place for cheap production, there will always be downsides, and after all, you need to export something. Mining, textile industry, or exporting agricultural produce have probably larger negative environmental impact or a higher risk to cause problems through competition for resources. Of course, it must be secured that there won't be competition for water or energy. But I think such technologies could have some potential. If sun and wind are the new oil, countries with plenty of these resources could benefit in case they learn from the good and the bad oil has caused in the past.
Namibia has a large desert alongside the sea. You can read about it.
The other problem is, who will benefit? Will the benefits reach as far as the communities?
@@onesmushangula3116 I was there once. I just don't know whether saltwater can be used but I assume there could be ways to maybe even harvest the salt and use the water(?) They probably require pure water.
Whether the communities benefit would be a political question. In my opinion, it would be best if states such as Namibia would run state-owned factories for green hydrogen and solar power plants and use the revenues to invest in further (green) technologies that benefit the people. Having foreign companies operate such facilities often leaves local communities with nothing, which of course has to be prevented.
NAMIBIA have more than enough ELECTRICITY... there is no change that this project might bring locally.
they will be able to cultivate raspberries
@@kukulroukul4698 nobody mentioned agriculture.
Reporters, always reporting nonsense and driving people's thoughts in the wrong direction
It’s the reporter’s job to sow doubt because western nations, particularly France, USA have a bad history of coming in, taking, and doing nothing for the locals as they bribe local politicians and warlords who are the ones who profit.
@mdsoulsounds That's how tgey equally sow lies in the name of doing tgeir job. The ongoing project adds to the economic development of the region, creates jobs for the people, and is an opportunity for them to become a global exporter of hydrogen & potentially world leader in other renewable energy technologies. Let us look at the positives and work to encourage a fair process for both panties. In doing so, it is important that we stop dwelling in the 17th century slave trade era. It happened, yes. Has it stopped? Yes. Are there rooms for even better improvements? Yes. Let us build on collaboration. Germany has not done anything bad
Just me or did they keep saying "abuse" instead of "trade". It takes both parties to agree...
Does Germany think it can swipe its nasty colonial history against the Namibians as if nothing happened?🤣🤣🤣
if nuclear was included as a green option, you wouldn't need to turn another countries natural ecosystems into an expansive land battery for europe.
In Germany politics may trump pragmatism.
man they reeeeeeeeaaly don't want to go nuclear
In the end, they'll just import more nuclear energy from surrounding countries going nuclear, or adding to their fleet. Slovakia, Poland, etc. True NIMBYs there in Germany.
How you plan to transfer hydrogen from Namibia to Germany? Cryogenic cooling is expensive on LNG, and far worse on hydrogen.
there are libyan smugglers
@@kukulroukul4698 And German government will pay any price, as long as it is not Russian. Are you taxpayer in Germany?
@@mladenmatosevic4591 im paying taxes YES :)
There are many more options than liquid Hydrogen.
Making ammonia or methanol instead of just hydrogen is probably the best bet.
I think people miss the point of the newspiece. It is exactly to warn of historical imperialist trade relations and is asking the German citizen to demand more and better from its institutions. Such as conditioning import of hydrogen to veritable labour and environmental benchmarks and doing the work to audit that and enforcing those rules on companies/importers. Too many a time, trustworthy and labour conscientious(domestically) European companies, Germany included, were all too happy to 'export' labour exploitation, environmental degradation and corruption to the global south. So learn from the past and do better this time. Doing better isn't easy though.
Just a side note. I love how the global south is anything south of Europe. At first I thought it's south of the equator but its just really 3rd world and 2nd world countries. It's its a pretentious way of saying they are the top of the world, higher in status so to say then everyone beneath them.
I really hate this Global South invention. Grouping everyone in Subhara Africa, with everyone in South America, with everyone in South Asia. WTF?! They just grouped everyone together because they are not European. I can tell you who made such a categorization, Europeans in EU and US suffering from white guilt. Actual people living in African countries never came up with this term.
Project has not been implemented and people are already whining and complaining.
Is Namibia a rich country? - NO
Will green hydrogen bring prosperity to Namibia? - YES
So what's the problem? If there's any disparity in wealth within Namibia, then it's Namibia own problem. Corruption maybe?
Nuclear plant is energy independent just look at France
Nuclear can't track load so needs storage to achieve high efficiency, is very expensive to build and operate, is difficult to run when the weather is hot, and Uranium resources are widely distributed.
So it needs to be used in conjunction with other technologies.
You need fresh water for cooling
Right, this is why France had to shut down half of its nuclear power plants because of low water levels in the rivers due to the recent heat wave and urgently needed maintenance (still ongoing).
Germany was/is doing the back up power for France and has been/is forwarding six times more electricity to France as normally.
The French are heating with electricity as well.
If the droughts go on in the coming spring/summer season, the same problems with "cooling the reactors" will pop up again.
Wind and sun is available...
Just saying 😉
@@zen1647 And uranium sources are finite.
To produce hydrogen, water is needed. Nambia is the driest country in the world. Taking water from the ocean isnt easy as it seems. The huge amounts of salt pumped back into the ocean will lead to ecological disasters.
The way I see it is simple: suitable for both parties. Africa is an impoverished country with lots of land and no jobs. You have to be very creative or prosperous to not understand how important this initiative is for Namibia.
Africa is not a Country.
second: you dont understand this project, fully... do you?
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you forget h comes from water. fresh water not sea water which is very corrosive how will people get water to drink from
This is not carbon neutral. It is off shoring pollution. There is high pollution from the manufacture of the renewable equipment in China that primarily uses coal power for electricity for their factories. The sea shipping industry furthermore adds significant pollution to create the vessels and operate them. Germany has been off shoring pollution for some time just to create an illusion of green energy. Far less pollution would be generated from simply using HALEU fueled nuclear power plants in Germany.
I'd say leave the countries that don't want it to China and in 10 years we will see which countries did better 🤣
OH WAIT, that's already a thing, my bad 🤦♂
Excellent research
Horrible out of sync sound effects
Bad camera angles
Bad music
Ok editing
Should've added subtitles
This is not a Tom cruise movie, you're giving information.
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Sound like a good idea. China would bring their own citizen to work in there but Germany letting African work. And they will get good green energy from them and Germany.
First things first.
Before investing into renewable energies to produce green hydrogen to be shipped half way around the world, let’s make sure the energy produced and consumed in the said countries (Morocco, Chile, Namibia or others), for their own needs, is low carbon as well. If you have massive “green” hydrogen plants built for Germany, next to coal plants for the country own electricity consumption, then it makes little to no sense on a global scale.
That brings to the second topic: we need to look into the global efficiency of this complete “green” hydrogen shipping system. Pure electrolysis has an efficiency of 70% to 80%. How much does the efficiency drops when you take into account manufacturing of the factories (abroad but also in Germany), storing (liquid or gaseous form), shipping half way around the world, transporting on land to the end user, and then finally used?
In any case, using these renewable energies for local use, to reduce the carbon footprint of Chile, Namibia, etc… would make so much more sense. Won’t benefit Germany economy though
The idea is to STOP using coal. On your other point, this obviously relies on the electricity being produced extremely cheaply.
It's NOT to reduce the carbon footprint of NAMIBIA you fool. It;'s to reduce GERMANY's carbon footprint ! Did you miss the whole point of this ?
Not a fan of hydrogen... in fact, John Oliver's skit about the Hindenberg nails my feelings about it.
German pipe dream the green hydrogen will be converted into ammonia and shipped to Germany but this ammonia will be expensive.
I wonder why Germany does not go to trade with Spain or the south of Italy, there are heaps of sun. If they imported for example from Sardinia, it would be a lot closer and more energy efficient than bring hydrogen tanka from Namibia or Chile.
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Talking about land availability in one of the least populated countries in the world? Sound like a fossil fuel lobby talking point. It's a good thing that countries are making use of deserts.
One big part was left out: At the moment the electrolyzers need rear earth materials like platinum and iridium as catalysts - Germany's demand for iridium for hydrogen production would eat up the current global production on its own. Going by how rare earths are mined at the moment, things have to change a lot to not by environmentally, socially and economically exploitative
maybe the Moon holds the answers
Asteroids 😂
@@FrederikAbramson ironically enough its NOT the rare earth quantity/r''rarity'' the issue but the process of refining them that is just so costly and frustrating . So if you find and asteroid that has a marsh mellow of rare earth metals... you re still in trouble.
With the Iridium platinum family Rhenium ...its a different story
"At the moment the electrolyzers need rear earth materials like platinum and iridium as catalysts "
WRONG. Read the latest news on this topic. There are new catalyst announcements every month.
Platinum is NOT a 'rare earth' ! Stop using terms you clearly don't understand. There is no 'rare earth mining' involved (with its ALLEGED awful horrifying environmental costs, as if mining for other stuff has none).
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I'm surprised about such a negative documentary coming from DW, very disappointing, this is a positive initiative and should be celebrated
Amazing how you skip over the dangers of Hydrogen. It is the smallest atom in the universe and is very difficult to contain; it corrodes metals quickly. To store H2 requires freezing it to just above absolute Zero and compression to 700bar; both of these require more energy. H2 is highly explosive - Hindenburg anyone? Too make sense H2 needs to be produced close to where it will be used. Using electricity to make H2 to make Electricity does not make sense; it is at best 40% Energy efficient.Was this documentary paid for by the Oil & Gas industry.?
This is true but LNG, LPG even oil vapour is highly flammable too. It doesn't *corrode* metals but may have other effects. You require plastic coatings. At least H2 is light so rapidly disperses up wards in the environment unlike hydrocarbons that pool at ground level.
As to the economy of the process, if the electricity is being produced 'dirt cheap' as it should be in the desert, low overall efficiency of the process is entirely acceptable.
@@grahamstevenson1740 no carbon based fossil fuel has anywhere near the volatility of H². The idea that H² just somehow evaporates is wrong; it is more likely to explode - violently.
Have you ever been in a desert? Ever been in Namibia?
Namibia has only 1 viable harbour on its coastline; Walvis Bay. It is a tiny harbour and would require extensive modifications; China just funded a major expansion of the container port so maybe German investment would not be welcome.
This part of the coastline due to several geographical, meteorological and physical features is unique. It is 2000+ miles of sandy shore, has large mist banks that can stretch up to 100km+ inshore and is not called the Skeleton coast for nothing. It has 14mm of annual rain - around half an inch. It has a small population and very little infrastructure.
To produce H² you would have to desalinate sea water and then split molecules to make H². A solar farm would need to be at least 30 km from the port thus meaning major construction of power lines to an H²/desalination plant. This would mean losses in transmission and therefore a bigger solar plant.
Then you would need infrastructure to support all this and accommodation etc for employees. Then you would need to build an entire new harbour facility. In the beginning you would require specialist labour and this costs big bucks to get them and families to live here.
Chile has similar issues; just further away from Germany.
I have written a thesis on using renewables to desalinate sea water.
@@GreenStarTechThere's potentially Luderitz but that's in an environmentally sensitive area, with several endemic species found nowhere else, or in one or two local spots within Namibia.
The project planned here will destroy so much nature here. We're also world famous for the oysters we grow here, they'll be gone. No more Crayfish or lobster either, no more fishing, tourism will be affected at best, chased out at worst since they'll see how much nature will be destroyed.
If Namibia has 1 thing in abundance, it is land, no??
URANIUM, DIAMOND reserves are just too massive.
LAND... is another issue.
Germany will monitor labor rights from the battery country.. lol..
They have such huge business with China n never took any action on degraded labor right n government police-ing..
China could beat Germany here. They have less checks, concerns and have no problems bribing the right people.
VW has a big factory in xinjiang.
@@Ass_of_Amalek Don't ask Volkswagen what they were doing in WW2
If you calling Nimbia former colony,russia can say same to you BTW usa can say my current colony Germany 😂😂
So what? What is your intention? Should we rewrite history because you don‘t like facts? Germany is very well aware of it‘s past and present with the DDR and the US troops in Germany.
Yes, China's says all America's allies are 'colonies' of America.
if you think about how much of a distance this already expensive fuel will need to take to reach Germany, and costs and hazards associated with it it does not make sense. Better to create diversified local sources of hydrogen by employ own electricity sources (wind/solar, temporarily nuclear/coal). This would make it far more secure for also geopolitical risks. You could use improved coal plants to generate electricity without pollution.
the real exploitation will come from the namibian government the ball is in their hands what happens to the wealth generated...
Which local communities are they going to consult if they unfortunately don’t have the education to not even come close to assimilate the plan?
The major issue for Germany will be emergy dependency. Simply, transferrinf the dependency from Russia (gas) to countires like Namabia and Chile (green hydrogen).
But first, you have to ask the US if it will allow you to do so.