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Josh is the first person that does one of these and is actually good at the game.
Exactly! Nadir and Joseph are locals-caliber players. Their opinions hold no more weight than us randos in the chat/comments.
@@Emporkommling not sure about MBT but Farfa has a top 16 at UK nats. Also not sure I'd call people that have careers based around the game the same as people that play it once a week for a few hours and get most of their information from said content creators.
@@Basswire Yeah Farfa and MBT might not be YCS champions but they are better players than most of us randos just by the sheer amount of playtime they rack up doing what they do. What I like here is Josh's approach of setting a philosophy and applying it to literally everything.
@@Emporkommling that’s not true, Joshua’s input is (probably) more “accurate” because he can pinpoint what design decisions can make yugioh problematic. To be a pro you don’t really need that skill you just need to understand how to use certain designs to your advantage which isn’t something a developer should really care about.
@@Emporkommling MBT is better than this guy, he just plays HERO at YCS because he has a life.
The slifer ban had me dying when you realized he’s a floodgate 😂
Honestly tho i think we can draw the line there though
It does require 3 tributes to be normal summoned and only works on atk position monsters
@@milesandrews6711 slifer has support to ss it during your opponents turn
Also it essentially stops link plays and the normal summon.
@@cuttlefish6839 honestly ban that slifer support, shit reads like a custom card
But seriously I think I'm fine with egyption Gods having such an effect
I mean they are God cards so they should be kinda broken even though they're ass in Yu-Gi-Oh rn
@@milesandrews6711 oh for sure I agree with you lol
Really looking forward to a tournament for this list. Should be a blast and it's very interesting thinking about what's still good and legal.
if this woulld become the actual ygo format it would devolve into meta and toxic stuff just like normal
@@EMPCraft But as Josh says at the end of the list - there's space to iterate on this list further and remove more toxic stuff. Of course there will be a meta, but if it ends up being something like Edison where there isn't loads of toxic stuff then the mission has been achieved.
@@GranmargYGO i honestly like yugioh for beeing fast paced and deckbuilding heavy. If i would want to play a super slow and step dependent game MTG, Force of Will and Pokemon are just way better at that (Depending on Formats obviously).
@@EMPCraft which is fair enough - it's great you enjoy the game in that respect!
@Jinja I don't think a fast paced format and this banlist are mutually exclusive. If decks could still combo off but there was no way to ftk/pseudo-FTK or make an unbreakable board then it's just a high amount of interactivity.
Unrelated to the video itself, but I'd like to kindly advise to whoever made the thumbnail to have more caution in the future, because the outline on it has a red bar at the bottom. This could lead to people intinctively not clicking on the video, because they might confuse it for the red bar TH-cam puts on videos you've already watched.
One card you forgot was Destiny Hero - Plasma. Would be quite powerful in this format as a floodgate and relinquished effect
its there, I was watching for it too
PLEASE actually keep doing this! It should definitely be a once or twice a format series! This looks like a blast and it's made me join your discord
Absolutely Based. You should make a couple of tournaments of this list.
5:47 That's exactly what Konami says everytime they're updating the banlist and see Harp Horror is still there
Funny thing: even without circular, mathmech would probably still be very playable, if you really want to kill that deck you have to hit superfactorial or laplacian.
Without circular it isn't super combo head
It has to search superfact with alembertian so you're often using all your gas to get to superfact
The main problem is under this slower format final sigma being able to easily kill and magma being basically a blowout might be a problem
Also, he banned Jammer and Accesscode talker
@@shinjidai4114 multiplication and nabla are playable
Getting 3 mathmech names in the GY without Circular is really hard, this deck sucks without it
Did you know mathmech was a deck before circular was released? with laplacian and superfactorial? Because it was. And no-fucking-body played it. (And you needed Disciple/Devotee, Link ones which are also banned, to do anything)
I've said from day one that banlists should be constructed to upset the Yugioh community. Personally, if I was Mr. Konami, I'd ban one fan favourite, beloved card and/or unlimit one unfun card for every terrible take I read on Twitter, as a form of collective punishment for the community.
Are you sure you wanna go that route of unban one unfun Card for every terrible take in twitter? That would just leave only unfun card because of how much of a shitshow Twitter is
@@Ancient_Reboot Maybe for the first instance of a bad take and we'd rotate the platform every day. One day it's Reddit, one day it's Twitter, etc.
No thanks these twitter youtubers think that sky striker thunder dragon format was good rather not
You're trolling
Joshua: Rikka needs a hit.
Me as a Rikka player: Understandable.
Joshua: *Kills Jasmine*
Me as an Aroma player: NOOOOOOOOOO!!!
He shouldve killed princess too
Pure Rikka was basically unhit by this so I can’t wait to compete with it 😂
I was like that with waterfront 😂
"If everyone is unhappy, NO ONE IS!" xD I love this
Hah! My beautiful Weather Painters escape unscathed. When he was talking about 1 cards that do too much I was scared for The Weather Report.
They might honestly be insane in this slower format.
Weather Painters would go hard under this.
Ehhh. Weather Forecast does a ton, but in this format Kaijus would probably be in every deck since all other good generic removal has been banned. So Rainbow probably won't survive long enough to let any painters negate. Also even in this weakened format, the continuous spells will likely just not have enough impact.
I like how Gimmick Puppet Nightmare counts as a floodgate now
I was with you in the first half of this video. Once you started going after specific decks, you had me questioning a lot of decisions 😂
I think deck identity is okay. Banning Chixiao for Swordsoul, Engage for Sky Striker and Nervall for Tri-Brigade feels too harsh.
it's to increase the randomness, so if his banlist works, then those cards should be there either
It is an experiment, doesn't have to be fair. I also think he is trying to make a point that even with a huge banlist like that yugioh players will still find degenerate stuff to play and that it is not the best way to "fix" ygo although it can help
The proboem is those decks shit on basically anything else people could be doing if you leave them untouched
Youll ban all the degenerate shit and then people will complain that the format is just Sky striker, Tri-brigade and Swordsoul
I wish a new popular format could come from this and gets updated each time new cards are released. It would make the game so much fun.
Would be cool to see a list like this adopted consistently for Heart if the Underdog or something like that.
Well a similar project has been started called Kuchen format.
Basically an attempt to adapt the Pokémon tiering system into Yugioh
It is still in early developments and there community is still small, but it makes for a fun experience
@@frankwest5388 i play one in this format even in L4, my opponent start doing his 30 minutes combo and then i can't play anything for their negates
this format is no less toxic than standard format, it resolve the issue that some archetypes are not strong against meta and maybe ash blossom, but the game is still "play first and don't let the opponent play"
i hope they made layers for slow archetypes where the first player draw a card, but still there's no so much difference between first or second, but for now it's not different from modern Yu Gi Oh
@@vonakakkola
Huh didn’t expect to find someone from the discord here.
I am also aware of the flaws of Kuchen and much of it comes just from how ygo works at a mechanical level.
And if you play L4 you know why they haven’t made even lower/slower layers yet. Even if I do agree they move way too slowly when it comes to adding new tiers
15:16 "What does Infernity do under this banlist?" Considering this is my all-time favorite deck, and pilot it since debut until the fall of Archfiend and Lavaval chain. Depending on which variation of the deck you're using can end like this;
A. Ends the board with Doom Dragon, Void Orger, Hundred-Eyes, and Archfiend with two Infernity Break and three Barrier.
B. 2-3 Lavalval Chain, Leviair, and an Archfiend with again two breaks and three barriers.
C. Hybrid with Doom Dragon, Void Orger, Archfiend, Leviair, or Lavalval Chain with again two breaks and three barriers.
Why did blackwings catch so much stray in this vid 😂😂 i don't get it, also why let one masquerade stay and no BWAD? It's basically the same card but worse most of the times
"Wow, that's a huge list!"
Me 5 minutes in just at the floodgates part
If a non-engine is good enough to be limited, it's good enough to be banned. There is no reason to limit things like skill drain to 1 other than "if you break through once you're good", and that's not a good reason because the issue is breaking through in the first place. It just feels so bad to get sacked.
If this banlist came out tomorrow I'd be unironically super excited to play :D
You should hold a tournament with this list
Thank God that those people dont make the banlists...!
konami needs to drop a list soon dawg, i'm so tired of these custom made lists they're ALL AWFUL
He really did kill pure cyber angels 😢
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Branded is still gonna be interesting even without branded fusion, that deck still has like 20 other good fusion spells and stuff like cartesia.
The Synchro build is probably good now, too. They can also go into generic XYZ cards because they aren't hard Fusion locked anymore. Can be interesting.
Fusion Deployment + Cartesia seems really strong here.
They killed Armor Master and Assault Dragon 😢 Blackwing’s archetypal win condition. They are both very beatable still they could be like 1 so no one can double up… but please I wanna play my blackwings 😢
I was rolling with literally every floodgate in the game possible and circular was still on the list first
Plunder got so far, then got hit in the final stretch. Damn
6:16 there actually is a 2 card photon combo turn skip lol
I fail to see how Labrynth and Kashtira aren't miles ahead of the rest under this. Labyrnth has Set-Up to recycle the Big Welcome and set traps from deck, and 3 Welcome will find you Lady regardless.
At such a lower power level Fenrir and Unicorn win games by themselves.
Set-up is a bad card and actually see 0 play in any Lab deck. 3 Welcome is still okay because Big Welcome is at 1.
@@matheusmmariz Setup is an incredible card in a control/slow format because it recycles 2 used Big Welcomes for anything in the deck.
Both Kashtira and Labrynth rely on floodgates in their current form. Even if they survive they won't be the same.
I can assure you that you probably wont be winning games with fenrir and unicorn beats
Especially not when unicorn is at 1 in this format
As nuts as this list is, it does makes the case for a new format with a massive banlist. I mean, people have theorized about set rotation a lot, but what if Konami launched a format where the banlist is double the size of the original one? Ban floodgates, towers, generic combo cards, ftks and hit meta decks, called it extra limited and host tournaments on it, it could be fun.
Banning appliacers links just because they are link ones is hilarious
EDIT: ok he later removed them from the list lol
Link 1 = maj
Personally I would swap gravekeeper's trap and exchange of the spirit, since Vernusylph decks like to use it for the cycling effect and without exchange of the spirit it isn't a floodgate
..yeah, im glad this list would never happen. it kills or sigificantly hits every last deck ive even thought of playing that could be on a recent banlist, while providing even less options to handle the decks im up against, and I don't think the hits offered to the combo decks matter as much. we already saw when swordsoul couldn't make their level 8- they have multiples to reach for that aren't on this list.
funny hit to me is probably DNA surgery. also, what floodgates are Paleo's even running other than Anti-spell?
I would say, combo decks may go hard with this banlist
Yeah, that is TCG mentality.
So far the decks I’ve thought of are: generaider, dogmatika branded, kashtira rank 7 (plus bodies are nice), spright melffy, orcust tear, psy-frame, dark magician (target banish), unchained, rank 4 spam with the spirits maybe utopia, exosister rank 4 spam, brave illegal knight (Amano-iwato needs to be banned), z-arc trap turbo (4 bodies are insane), tri-brigade Harpie/lyrilusc, amazement traptrix (R4), floo monarch, tear pile, crystal beasts, pendulum/dracoslayer, icejade stun, dragon maid (negate+pop), fish Xyz, mathmech, vernusylph.
Crystal Beasts are gonna be stupid with their field spell left untouched to supply a near-limitless string of spell/trap negates. IP into Goddess is also a common play for them and will be very difficult to deal with.
Psy frame really struggles without omega though. And almiraj helped a lot making lambda
Amano is way too strong
Psy-frame Omega is probably fine in a format where games last more than 3 turns on average. It's only relevant up until you have a monster. So many turns it would be a brick. You would have to play it in a deck without monsters as god intended.
how he didnt scream "this is sparta" when he read this is madness is beyond me
Lmao banned every link like links shouldn’t never existed
Is he wrong though
@@nykthosacolyte5710 yes
really wish we had a "cumulative inclusion" set of lists like duel links has. Being able to keep things like benten out of drytron lists and things like that sounds so helpful. I get that having a lot of ban lists can be confusing, but it's not like having a format of thousands of cards isn't already
Masquerade is a floodgate in the same way summon limit is a floodgate if you think about it, but instead of 2 summons it limits you to 13 activations
This is fantastic 😂😂
Blue at 1 is crazy with some of the stuff he banned. Like in what world is lulu more problematic than Blue?
Sprind is also banned and two other Spright cards are limited - Josh went about touching the decks differently based on how he thought made sense
@@GranmargYGO no he didn't. He didn't put that much thought into it. Just banning "unfun" cards.
@@ttkrystal8329 well given that I was watching the stream and he thought about how to hit Spright, I can say yes he did
@@GranmargYGO ok sure Spright he thought out, but telling Swordsoul players just to "make another 8" instead of Chixao is insane when he's literally half the deck.
@@ttkrystal8329 For what it's worth I do agree that the weakest part of this list is the archetype hits. Think they could have had quite a bit more consideration
I feel like one Empen and no Apex Avian could put Floo into a playable space without being an overly oppressive floodgate. Robina into Eglen without Empen just ends on Apex Avian, boring and unfun. Adding 1 Empen means you change the gameplan from Apex Avian into lose into Raiza control. Empen is so important for the deck to work at all, and looping Raiza is a much more interesting and dynamic gameplan than sitting on a 1-2 Apex all game. I’ve been playing Floo in master duel and the deck is a lot of fun when you don’t play a trap-heavy floodgate deck, I think it’s a little under appreciated because it’s easy to build it very low to the ground floodgate style. Substitute hand traps, utility spells, and search/draw spells and it’s honestly a fun and engaging deck!
Empen is a floodgate
That card deserves death
I would rather play against apex avian turbo than against
No link monsters for you empen
Dude. No Artemis just absolutely makes Magistus unplayable. It’s the only monster searcher the archetype has.
I'll miss the Tenyi Monk but I have to admit that a one card enabler for Tenyi monsters makes them too splashable.
Would Tenyi be too strong if there was a non-Effect Wyrm Link-2?
There are? Shaman
@@GranmargYGO Pardon, I meant a non-Effect one.
So far there's only LANphorynchus, which is Cyberse.
Banning Monk of the Tenyi?? Ok yeah sure. Scrubby ass list. Youre just talking about murdering a FAIR deck.
@@ttkrystal8329 As a deck it would be fine, but YGO doesn't forbid cards only for certain decks: such limitations are applied for all decks equally.
Releasing cards from the list cannot be decided on the count of a single deck, you have to look at what the card could do in any deck.
Monk of the Tenyi turns every Tenyi Spirit into an engine. Not only are the Tenyi Spirits free bodies on a clear field, Vishuda is an excellent boardbreaker that every deck could use simply by playing three Vishudas and a single Monk.
Is the Synchro access in addition to the non-Effect monster really that important?
@@xCorvus7x every deck can't use Tenyi because they wyrm lock you but ok. You don't understand. Nobody can play Tenyi AT ALL without monk. Just ban an engine ONLY used in Swordsoul? It's just a way to kill Swordsoul because this dick doesn't like the deck.
josh be like: vianilla beatdown lets gooooo!!!
Sounds like Endymion or even Generaider with the new Vala to me :o sadly I can't really participate. Wishing for a master duel version of this, where maxx would be taken out as consideration (since it isn't banned in MD).
I understand every game has its meta…but holy crap is this Meta so unfun to play in
The current one in the TCG or the one in the format proposed here?
Only if you refuse to use one of the 6 decks that are playable outside of the best deck or are tired of the idea of archetypes.
@@felixrosendorodriguez8739 hell I don't even agree with that completely. Rogue is in a way better spot than it was a while ago.
this is one of the best formats we have had in a while imo. Deck diversity is relatively high and alot of things feel very playable
Ursarctic is finally playable
It just seems like Konami stopped cleaning out the toxic cards one day and they were like we will get to it one day and then many years later they realize it’s too overwhelming to weed them out.
You do realise that at the tournament nobody is going to make a cool deck, but everyone is trying to be the most degenerate as possible with this banlist
This, the only difference is gonna be longer toxicity.
That's the point
People are gonna find the degenerate shit and then we're gonna ban that crap
Eventually there won't be more degeneracy left
I don't care how long it takes but it will happen
You can always count on Yugioh players to find what needs to be on the next revision of the list.
basicallt it's the reverse of mbt moron banlist so it must be smart right?
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn, Joush unhinged. He sounds like he just finished the most important therapy session of his life.
Still, I think this is a great idea. Do I completely agree with the list? of course not (R.I.P. precious Macro Cosmos and Light Darkness Dragon), but we're gonna have to tread some tears to make this work. Overall though I love it. Hit Raigeki, Duster, Storm, Baron, Access Code, Apollusa, Dragoon, Pheonix Enforcer, Borrelsword, and Zues, kick em to the curb yesterday PLEASE.
R.I.P. Toad
“And the band played on” best legal floodgate
it's banned
Is that ban list Adamancipator to glory? Haven't spotted Dragite on the list (might have missed him tho). But if he's not banned then turboing out Dragite with a water in grave for the Spell/Trap negate and Koaki Meiru Guardian for a monster negate should be GG against most decks with such a decreased power level.
I will play through that like cake in mathmech
I will actually just kill you with final sigma or outgrind you with magma and superfact
Like the one guy said, I’d go play MTG if this happened 😂
Hell this list will make it feel like Magic.
Skill Drain says "You can't play anymore."
We definitely need something like this. Maybe not all the cards you put here, but at least 80/90% of them, I really want to play the game in a way similar as it was in the 2014. Geargia-hat format best
07:26 the Fly Edit made my Day ^^
Forgot Cosmo Neos
josh: "what does infernity do in this enviroment?"
chat: "set 3 barriers"
josh: "ok, you got me"
Off the top of my head from what I could see; numeron, invoked dogmatika, and true Draco are all unscathed
Numeron Network is banned, so is MEchaba, Caliga and the Dogmatika ritual. For TD - floodgates
@@GranmargYGO honestly TD might still be busted if he didnt ban deep draw
They still have a towers that isnt banned
@@milesandrews6711 certainly possible!
If he put in all this effort and didn’t play a tournament with this list it was a waste
Haha my Reversal Quiz was spared.
I would hate this list for only one reason. It actually kills earth machine due to the Goliath ban. I would kinda hate losing Regulus since my favorite interaction in the game would be gone, but 0 Goliath makes my favorite deck unplayable. Goliath doesn't even do much other than go into the graveyard and let us revive the Infinitrack XYZ monsters. If we got Goliath back, I would be 100% down to play this list
And after all that protos still survived 😂
Everyone should hate control players is the lesson here. They want every card game to be MtG
I've always thought the worst thing about combo decks was the extenders in the extra deck.
i laughed so hard. I cried when i saw hangar ban, but i think this list is nice
banning Gilgamesh just kills the ddd deck, at 1 he would be fine since almost every combos requires 2 Gilgamesh some even 3
There is no way out of everything in this video, this is what you care about
@@Henry-bg4oe this was just one of the examples where he kills whole archetypes cuz he banned a strong card that can be limited instead cuz he doesnt know how the deck works
@@Henry-bg4oe I was just scanning the list for a potential Kali Yuga ban instead of the PK RUM (that breaks xyz card design just like Expulsion does with Puppet etc) so i can completely understand what they said about Gilgamesh. I dare say they wouldn't be tier 1 even with that list because the deck is too fair and Machinex checks it really well at 1.
3:59 he doesnt hesitate for even a second
Man actually became Thanos, snapped away half the card pool for balance
This is what no banlist does to a mofo.
Jk, on a serious note, I really love this type of content. Game design is a fascinating topic that I enjoy a lot.
Looking at this list really makes you understand how much Stockholm Syndrome we have by putting up all the shit on it.
Branded is still playable in this format. You just need a way to search Albaz and run more fusion spells to hard way into combo. 😛
That sounds miserable ngl
@@milesandrews6711 whole list is miserable because that's the goal .
MBT's ban list tourney proves it's not even that bad
@@ttkrystal8329 MBT's tourney was about unbanning broken cards
This is the opposite
@@milesandrews6711 I know that. I'm saying that MBT's proves this is a moot point. This man murdered multiple decks in this list.
Swords of revealing light & gravity bind
4:55 I think you killed Gimmick Puppet and Disciple of Ra for Branded Expulsion sins. Those cards are acceptable as long as you kill the enablers. After all, special summoning to your opponent’s board is not that common.
Honestly with what you did, my dumb ass said "oh shit, Skull Servants are playable?" before it ended.
Now you need also to unbann some carts.
And create your own banlist
Please do a torunament with this banlist
I would gladly play a tournament with this list looks cool AF
You forget to hit adamacia bro
Was watching on my phone doing dishes and right after Josh mentioned Maxx "C" i got an add saying: "Imagine what would be possible with some old spice."
You CANNOT make this one up, i swear i am writing this laying on the floor😂😂😂
I just realized he forgot to put the busy blader fusion on the banlist so I guess buster bladet teir 0
would love to see you run a tournament with this banlist
UCT in Dinos is way too strong in this format
aw hell nah what did union hangar do
I think your forgot some of the 30 minutes pend combos
I'd watch the hell out of this banlist tournament just to see how much degenerate shit happens
Transaction Rollback released and now we play paleo.
Idk if I’m blind but prank kids looks nice here
My Utopia deck uses a floodgate that is missing from this list: *Number C65, King Overfiend.*
Bro banned chixao LMAOO
darklord would finally be meta
Blue eyes max literally he is so happy behind u
guys, i want this format, it seems to understand the issue with modern Yu Gi Oh more than kuchen format
i mean: there are some cards i don't agree that they're in the banlist, fine, but the idea is correct
drytron hits modcheck
This looks perfectly balanced as all things should be
banning empen would just destroy floow.... like floow would be over.... rather then ban maybe limit to one... but even that empen can easily be dealt with.