Mass Shooting at Bar in Thousand Oaks, CA
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Thousand Oaks, CA is dealing with a horrible mass shooting perpetrated by an ex-Marine. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian, hosts of The Young Turks, breaks it down.
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"A Marine veteran armed with a handgun opened fire during a college night at a Southern California bar on Wednesday, killing 11 people and a veteran sheriff’s deputy before turning the gun on himself, authorities said.
The gunman, identified by authorities as 28-year-old Ian Long, allegedly shot his way into the Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks north of Los Angeles, firing on about 200 people enjoying a country-music night for patrons 18 and older with a .45-caliber handgun outfitted with an extended magazine, Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean told reporters Thursday morning.
Up to 15 other people suffered minor injuries including scrapes, cuts, and bruises as they fled the bullets, Dean said. At least one other person suffered a gunshot wound."
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A right winger is going to listen to this and hear something completely different.
Ricardo Blasio two words
Mental illness
@Ricardo Blasio - Yep you ain't wrong about that the trolls have already started with their bullsh*t.
Instead if Isis, we should be worried about Vanilla isis.
"America is the greatest country in the world"? Buddy, let me tell you now, every day when I wake up in the morning, I kiss the ground out of sheer gratitude that I am not a citizen of and do not live in America...
Dude im Italian,and trust me i think the same thing...
Muricans are sooooo naive tbh....
I absolutely LOVE that I can go out to a bar, go to work, send my kids to school, etc and don’t have to worry about someone killing a bunch of people with guns, but if it did happen, I’m relieved that I have the NHS that won’t try to bankrupt me! Plus we have REAL football
@@seeteasea5497 Plus we have REAL football
Yessssss
These two clowns are fear mongering to the max. Unless u live in the city and/or hang out with gangs n shit, the chances of getting shot are extremely low in rural America. It happens and it's very sad and tragic. But it's not an everyday occurence.
Saaaaaaaame
My takeaway from this week is that it's harder to vote in the US than it is to get a gun. Interesting set of values.
Ana: “This is supposed to be the United States of America.”
Rest of the World: That IS the United States of America.
I love how unconscious is about her nationalism and American exceptionalism.
Country music concerts are more dangerous than rap concerts now a days.
White supremacists love country music
Merica where Kinder eggs are banned for choking hazard to kids, but guns are fully legal.
most states won't let you buy unpasteurized milk, but you can smoke as many cigarettes as you can afford.
Where you cant buy a beer legally til 21 but can legally own a firearm at 18
Boy, those thoughts and prayers sure are working, aren't they...
"If there was a guy with a gun there he coulda shot him."
If there wasn't a guy with a gun there they would all be alive.
Not if he burned the building down, see Upstairs Lounge Attack.
Everybody needs private nukes. I got my thoughts and prayers though.
"Move along folks. Nothing to see here." - NRA
As a Brit I have to say I don't give a shit anymore, you guys can stop it all if you want to, ban firearms just as we did simple. Don't do it, this will continue to happen. Up to you America no one else can help you.
True.
exactly.
I'm american and I agree with you
As a German I 100% agree with you!
dan taylor....We made the decision not to ever ban firearms back in December 2012. America accepted that it was ok to slaughter children. We love guns more than innocent children?
Those thoughts and prayers not working to well.
David V: Well gee Wally, how come those crazy, inbred Trumpturds keep killing people?
*I have the perfect solution for this problem:*
1. Trump should ban more Muslims, deport more Mexicans and arrest more African Americans!
2. Get more guns!
3. Thoughts and prayers!
4. 'I hear you'
All those things combined will certainly prevent white people from committing massacres!
@Serienjunkie - Are you really serious or you are just throwing out sarcasm here! Woo!
Lolll.
Genius Logic:
-Worship the Military
-Worship the Police
“We need guns to protect us from the military and police”
Bootlickers make me sick
Rich White Americans who live in the suburbs have always believed in this facade that “How could this happen in my city” or “I live in the safest neighborhood in American this could never happen here”.
My question is why not your neighborhood?!!! Your neighborhood, town, or city is not Holy Utopia that is impervious to violence. Poor people and people of color who grew up in the hood know what’s up and realize no place is truly safe. That’s why I’m always aware of my surroundings wherever I go.
ruffhouse00x They are the same white people who call cops on blacks for dumb shit, because they looked suspicious. But the people who look like them, who are actual threats nothing is done.
201stars Exactly!!
Third world democracy here a country called Zambia and we have never had a mass shooting since we became independent 60 years ago.
I would like to hear how the gun nuts would have stopped a marine. With another marine?
time to declare a travel advisory on the usa
There already is, lol. EU now requires Americans to get visa to travel. It makes me sad, but I understand. We Americans are crazy.
Right wingers would love that since they don't want the foreigners here to begin with
But wait! the caravan!
and the NRA gives a nice beautiful check to the republicans after this shooting.
notice the 1st person he shot was the security guard. and you want to arm teachers. real smart.
Ron Chasr first person shot was the security guard and we do not know whether he was armed or not.
If he was then again it becomes easier for a shooter when he knows which person is armed. It’s a bar so obviously you don’t want drunk people with guns but if you allowed people to carry concealed that are not drinking then there may be a chance of stopping this guy from completing his full objective. But these places with the little gun free zone placards seem to be a magnet for these phsycos
don't forget the best part - they want to arm teachers AND keep paying them crappy wages... woohooo... amazing we have teachers at all.
they also want guns in bars..sounds like a great idea..what could possibly go wrong!
creatureofleisure - i remember my boss a bunch of years back, carried a sidearm in his briefcase one day - said he was going to a dirt tracking racing thing that night - like it was totally normal to need a GUN at a sporting event... the problem is more the mentality of people than the weapons... if you're expecting 'trouble', it won't be hard to find it!
rapunzel eh? I guess it’s everyone’s own fault for getting shot or mugged or whatever because they must have been “expecting trouble”.
An unfortunate consequence of our citizens being deployed into perpetual warfare
I can't take much more of this violence, it's breaking my heart.
A few honest questions, if I may... This is a country of 325 million people. Do you honestly expect mass violence to never happen? This was in California, with some of the strictest gun laws in the country. What legislation could be passed where the massacre after that wouldn't be met with calls for additional legislation? Yes, I'm a gun owner. No, I'm not a "gun nut." I'm an extremely rare pro gun progressive, so I'm genuinely interested in your opinion.
@@djangomarine6658 clearly not my job to propose legislation, that's our governments job. I just want to have less mass killings, even one less a year would be a win in my book.
@@aots66 California has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. I'm sure they've saved quite a few lives. Did you notice those lives being saved? I doubt it, because how could you tell? So what is the real tangible measurable goal? Because if we're just talking about "feeling safe" we could lobby the media to stop reporting mass shootings and you'd only hear about the local ones. I'm sure that sounds crazy, right? Because they're a big deal and there have been over 300 mass shootings this year... but how afraid are you of home invasions? Did you know there have been over 250,000 home invasions where a household member was present and became the victim of some level of violence, up to and including death. If you were inundated every other day with stories about home invasion murders, you would probably feel the same way about them as you do about mass shootings. But that's all based on feelings that are easily manipulated. It may not be our jobs, but you are (probably) an intelligent progressive, and not a mindless sheep, or a republican, so it's up to us to figure out a tangible solution that we want and to push our representatives to get it passed. They don't lead us, they represent us.
@@djangomarine6658 You seem to be on a mission to single me out and force information down my throat, clearly you don't understand what I said. My original comment was serious and from the heart, I just want there to me less lives taken period.
Told my 16 year old daughter of YET ANOTHER mass shooting in the US yesterday and she went off on an epic rant about the stupidity of Americans and Republicans in particular that I should have recorded and stuck on TH-cam. What surprised me most was that she came up with the same points that I've made on here numerous times in the past. So if a 16 year old non-American can see the issues and a 30-year old Republican voter can't, or simply refuses to, then there's a serious issue with education and brainwashing going on in the US. For instance, she called the US Constitution an "outdated piece of paper. Laws change and the world's changed." This is certainly one reason why the UK's unwritten constitution > the United States' written constitution.
The most telling comment was "That's it. I'm done with Americans. I have no sympathy for them." I suspect that the reason for inaction is that Republicans feel the same way. It's become normalised so, if they did care at all before, they certainly don't now. Mass shootings have become as American as apple pie.
She has no sympathy for Americans because a very tiny percentage of them do this?
She has no sympathy for their parents that will be burying their children? No sympathy for the children that will be told they will never see mummy or daddy again?
Your daughter sounds like an arsehole. You should be very glad you didn't upload a video such a foul comment to TH-cam.
@@SamS-uv2ql - And you, arsehole, are an evil, twisted, piece of shit. This 16 year old girl certainly has a great deal more humanity than you. Daniel got it right. She has plenty of sympathy for those who have been directly affected, but she has no sympathy for Americans as a whole. You could have fixed this a LONG time ago but chose not to.
As Cenk always say: In (US) America, it's not about IF it will happen, it's about WHEN it will happen.
Americans argue that freedom equals having guns...freedom is being able to walk wherever you want without fearing for your life. I'm so grateful to be a Canadian.
And by the way, before you trolls spread your verbal diarrhea, don't give me the whole 'well if everyone had a gun...' bullshit. What are you gonna do, arm three-year-olds with AK47's? Arm psychotic people? Arm half-blind seniors? A trained veteran with a firearm ran in and died. So no, nobody needs a firearm.
@John Smith There have been 307 mass shootings in America in 311 days. Canada has had 3 shootings in the same time frame. So again just to review- Canada: 3, USA: 311. You just seem a little depleted when it comes to neurons ;)
@Hippy(Bboomer) Not sure quite what point you're getting at, but i'm happy to try to understand :)
@John Smith It's quite foolish to compare 307 shootings to 3 shootings. And if for some reason you are a supporter of guns, I reckon you already understand how strict our magazine limits are. Personally, I see no reason for guns to exist at all. But at the least, America should limit magazines and regulate shit to ranges. What are you you using you firearms for, if I may be so forthright?
That's not freedom. Freedom is dangerous. It's the ability to do and live your life the way you want not how your told. Canada not a free country your ruled by a authoritarian dictatorship which disguises its self as a democracy. Look up faith goldy and how the political establishment refused to let her really run for mayor by refusing to let her debate or run ads because she wanted actual change.
*To all the Pro life idiots:* Shouldn't you be outraged by this? I mean, 11 people just lost their lives because of another lunatic that ran amok!
Oh wait... I forgot... You Pro life idiots only consider life valuable as long as it takes place in a womb, but as soon as you're born, you're considered a worthless POS to the party of 'pro life' and 'Family values'...
My bad!
We need to stop calling it gun control and call it gun safety...
People think word control is too reserved.
I'm all for a healthy gun culture. 2nd amendment is synonymous with the US. BUT, I rather save one person's life and give up on hunting and marksmanship sports. Just like slavery, money in politics and illegal weed, the civilian gun market should be a remnant of the past if we want to move humanity forward. I wish it was different, but we have proven as a nation that we are not responsible enough to bear arms.
Well then sir you would be a reasonable person and hence have no place in America.
Oh sorry.................... MURICA!
@Always Right Most illegal weapons come from the legit civilian market. Obviously what I really want is no guns in criminal hand, but the only way to try and achieve it is a blanket policy. My fantasy is no more gun violence, I wish I was living in such a fantastic world.
This happened in California, a state with some of the strictest gun laws in the country. I'm sure some of those laws have saved at least some lives. Have you noticed those lives being saved? I doubt it, because how could you tell? Banning civilians from legally owning any gun creates a situation like in Nigeria where my uncle was shot, and maimed for life, in a home invasion and attempted kidnapping for ransom, because the criminals still have illegal guns. He now carries an illegal gun for self defense, and if caught would be a felon and unemployable. It doesn't seem like that's a better situation.
Here in the UK, the Mayor of London is being politically attacked for knife killing that happens once or twice a month. USA you are CRAZY. 🙄
Incoming "what about Chicago?" comments.
@@herbbluntman2287 and....?
I’m in Chicago, even thugs don’t do mass shootings. More Common sense gun laws and less right wing BS. Getting tired of this crap!!
Yeah but common sense gun laws would not work because illinois has strict gun laws anyway and shooting still happen there
@@wildberry752 Chicago is a strict gun law island in an ocean of lax gun lawed places. That and the fact that its police department is underfunded doesn't help the situation any better.
@@NaziGOPBallmer if you are from Illinois it is illegal to buy a gun from another state
@@wildberry752 I disagree, it doesn't work because of the neighboring states, (WI, IN). Obama wanted the CDC to study how the guns are falling into the hands of criminals but, of course, Congress which grips the NRA's Balls did not allow him to do so. Who are we kidding. SMH
@@TheFridayNightBoogie yea my point is proven that criminals what do what ever it takes to commit crime
i feel sorry for the caravan they are leaving one war zone and entering another one.
They aren't leaving a war zone though. Just want our wealth
@@SilverDragonEyess All they want is to be safe. And as far as america goes these days. Then Mexico is far more safe. All they want is to go to a place that are safe and a place they can help yo make better. So if you want them to build Mexico better and stronger than America, then by all means, let them.
lol ok. when ever I need a break from reality. I'll take what ever it is you're smoking.
@@jasonwrenn8209 I don't know what that would be? I never tried anything that makes me slip away from reality. Well... Except a beer now and then. I must warn you, that three beer's a month, do not give an alternate perception of reality.
Prepare for more thoughts and prayers people.
Change the gun laws doesn't mean taking away guns from ppl who are mentally fit. If you are against proper regulation of gun use then maybe your the exact kind of mental case who needs to be restricted from having one.
If we take away guns from the mentally ill and would-be-terrorists, we'd be infringing on their rights to own assault weapons. We can't have that!
They need to call them terrorists. I’m tired.
Why is the constitution revered as though it is some sort of religious text? Arguing over wording and meaning just seems ridiculous. As special as the document is, it was only written by men. Times and attitudes change and it’s bizarre to believe that those who wrote it were infallible.
G G educate me then.
Sashabizz4 I’m not saying anything in there is necessarily bad. I just find it a little strange how it’s something that to do this day is still open to interpretation. You would imagine by now that there would be a clear consensus on the text. I’m English, so we don’t even have a specific constitution. I can certainly see the worth in having certain rights carved in stone though, that’s just common sense for a free and fair society.
2 nights ago I went online to show my sister how easy I can purchase an automatic kalashnikov legally. This countries insane. Illegal guns here, legal guns there, guns everywhere.
Um, yeah... When you buy guns online, they must be shipped to a federal firearm license holder who must run a background check on you before they can transfer the gun to you. What exactly would you like to see changed about that process?
This si Trump taking care of our veterans. Why do vets get the crappiest medical help?
This country treats soldiers like heroes and once they get out or retire, they're treated like crap.
Why can't we actually use the money to help these people?
We haven't had a mass shooting in the UK for well over a decade. Why, because we don't put gun rights over the lives of the public. Luckily, most of us go our whole lives without ever seeing a real gun. The last mass shooting we had led to massive enquiry and more research on gun violence. If we have a gun lobby most of us don't know who they are or what they do. The idea that someone can buy a gun so easily is insane. I don't even know where you'd buy a gun in the UK. Most people would have no idea. I can't believe so much power is given to the NRA, that you can't do research on reducing gun crime and you act like no research or evidence exists from other countries about the effectiveness of gun control. Nuts. Nuts nuts nuts. If you have a gun you're more likely to be killed with a gun, your own gun in fact.
Marisaeds3 how are your acid attacks by the way do you have a license for posting on TH-cam.
just let americans have their guns and continue killing each other. nothings changed after preschool children died so they are obviously okay with it.
The USA has 5% of the worlds population, yet in the last 30 years over 80% of the worlds mass and school shootings have occurred in the USA. I would argue that there is something about the USA that makes violence common, I think (I might be wrong) that so far this year something like 12,500 people have been killed in the USA, now your country went to war for the 3000 people who died in the Sept 11 attacks but you are unwilling to do a thing for the 200,000 or so people who have died since then from shootings, I'm not counting the suicides here by the way just violence. It is not just the possession of guns that causes this it is the attitudes of the people. If you look at Switzerland as the next highest 1st world country with high gun ownership (only Yemen has a higher gun per capita figure than the Swiss but below the USA) but Switzerland has not had a mass shooting since 2001 Generally no one in Switzerland would consider or even think about carrying out a mass shooting, it's not just the ownership of firearms, it's the culture, in the USA both gun crime and self defense by gun are common, even regarded as normal, in America it also seems that people sometimes idolize mass murderers and in some way wish to emulate them, but from the rest of the worlds perspective you are just strange.
I'm sure there's already somebody somewhere calling it a false flag operation.
Yes, I just read a comment on Democracy Now saying it's a false flag.
Democracy Now??? LOL that Amy Goodman refuses to acknowledge Building 7
Easy solution to gun reform. I want to start a movement to have every black person who can legally to buy a gun purchase a firearm.
I GUARANTEE they will change the laws
Worked in Cali
As an Englishman, I find it astounding that after so many mass shootings that firearms are still legal in the states. In the UK we haven't had a mass shooting since 1996. In 2016 we had 26 homicide victims caused by firearms; the UK has just under 1/4 of the population of the USA, if you think about it that would be like having just over 100 gun homicides in one year for the USA. In 2016 the USA had over 38,000 gun related deaths. I'm not going to lie this definitely puts me off visiting your country.
Ban the bloody things and join the rest of developed society already....
Lol piss off. Be careful of what you say, you might just get arrested for posting an offensive meme. Visited the UK in Manchester it's crazy on how many rights you guys don't have. Sad!
Jake Edwards Unfortuantely, it’s part of the constitution. It would be very difficult to get rid of it. The best we can do with republicans in the senate is harder gun control and requirements for purchasing firearms. It is sad but here we are used to a mass shooting every other day.
I'm English too and completely agree. Get ready to be bombarded by the NRA nuts though!
Ban "white" guys
Thanks to our president not my president
Don Lemon wasn't lying after all.......
He also had a history of domestic violence, among with the majority of mass shooters. This stat should not be ignored.
Exactly. Domestic violence convictions should absolutely be a part of a modernized background check system.
Do any people reading have children going to school doing Active Shooter Drills as well as Fire drills like when we grew up . As a county if you are having ACTIVE SHOOTER DRILLS YOU HAVE A PROBLEM !!!! FACTS and LOGIC. Lets deal with it for the innocent victims .
The irony about this matter is that having a gun is not a guarantee of safety; because you could be sleeping when you are attacked, or even if you are awake, you may be shot while reaching for the very same gun and I am quite sure that you have heard of persons who have been ambushed and killed by their own guns.
And the guy breaking into your house will be happy to have a new gun. Or you might just shoot your child who is secretely sneaking into the house, or your wife who makes herself an after midnight snack.
Some Americans have wet dreams about shooting someone in the face and then be cheered as a "hero" by their fellow gun nuts.
@NonyaBusiness! Japan has no guns but they have more suicides haha dumb ass
So this shooter got/purchased his weapon LEGALLY. think about it, not a low life criminal who evaded laws to possess an handgun. This was ex military guy who had PTSD. People keep asking: "what can be done, nothing can be done, nothing could've prevented this" or even worse: "California has strict laws but look it still happened there" The fact is that this guy had mental health issues (Post traumatic stress disorder) but was STILL able to purchase this weapon LEGALLY. So can we admit that background checks are not tough enough...if you are gun owner, you should want tough background checks. If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about. It's that simple. A thorough background check would've prevented this guy from getting his handgun...dont hate, just my opinion.
@ You do realize most most shooters have some sort of mental illness behind their actions right? Mentally ill people shouldn't have guns, better safe than sorry.
"The second amendment says you cant regulate guns!"
Even though its the only amendment that literally has the word "regulate" in it...
or as the rest of the world calls it "Just another day in the US of A"
"Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Guns help, though...." Grand Theft Auto III.
Really? Is it Salvatore who said it?
@@GoldenHairAngel nah dawg It was some nut calling into Chatterbox with lazlow
There was no such thing as recreational gun use when the constitution was written.The 2nd amendment is not about recreational gun use.
Meanwhile, the idiotic new president of Brazil wants to cut crime by making guns easier to get. Yea, that should work.
That sounds like Trump...give teachers guns. They need more guns.
Well the "idiot president of Brazil" you call him might have a better getting in control of the country than Trump would.
Brazil already has stricter gun control yet way more murders than the US.
Opinunate ted I think in Brazil civilians cannot own firearms. They have a way higher murder and crime rate vs the United States
jake: Nope. The USA is number one on per capita gun deaths. If this guy gets in it will make it worse. There has already been a shit load of violence against blacks, GBLTS, and members of and voters for opposition parties since this horror got in. But they are a long way from catching up with our almost one mass shooting per day average.
more karma for america. don't think that there'll be no consequence to the damages you've inflicted on other countries and people.
Which is more disturbing, the fact that this shit keeps happening or the fact that we aren't even phase when shit like this happens and just treat it like it's another day?
Just live your life. Violence and massacres have always been a part of human existence. Genocides are happening right now in Yemen and to the Rohingyas. We're still living in one of the most peaceful periods of history. Work to make things better, but don't let fear paralyze you. Hopefully one of these days someone will invent a popular and affordable stun only phaser and firearms will become obsolete.
this mass shooting is brought to u by the NRA.
Oh boy..... It's wednesday once again. This is why I will not spend my time as a tourist in america or even get a job in america.
I wonder if he was part of the scary caravan?
LOL
So how many of those migrants are you gonna let stay in your house?
@@tyronemorgan8451 Nice racism bud.
@rencrow Um no, there isn't
I'm so angry about this, and I feel so helpless. Something has to change! This can't keep happening!
Vote
But come on guys, two people were killed in a stabbing in Melbourne, Australia, (one of them being the stabber). So, you know, gun control doesn't work and shit because then this guy couldn't reload knives in 6 seconds and the Vegas shooter would've been dropping flechettes out of his hotel window instead, and that could easily kill just as many people in as short a time.
I am, of course, being sarcastic, as most Republicans wouldn't know a word like flechette.
Australia still has shooting even after the buy back
@@wildberry752 Any gun control regulation in the US is pansies compared to what other 1st world countries have.
@@wildberry752
Yeah, because any psychopath can go literally anywhere ELSE in America to get a gun. Thank you for proving my point that gun control is needed on a national level.
@@NickTheGreatAndPowerful it's illegal to purchase a gun from a state you don't reside in
Wow, this is already the sixth massacre with more than 10 casualties in Trumps presidency...
The only question is: How much more massacres need to take place so that America is considered great (again)?
Depends on who you ask.
Nope. Nothing to see here folks. Just another "disturbed individual". And we need to "discuss mental health". Now ignore us while we strip more finding for mental health funding.
We have Ronald Reagan and George"daddy" Bush to thank for all these mental health people and issues
America's lackadaisical gun laws are also the reason why there is a spike in gun violence here in Canada. Around 77 % of the guns used for crime here in Canada were from the US.
Im not surprised by this
unfortunately, the first one to act erratically and irrationally is POTUS!
When was the last time MS13 did a mass shooting? Please refresh my mind
Why are you guys talking about some dead people killed by some marine? What about Tucker Carlson's door?!?!?! He's gonna have to go to home Depot and get a new one! Do you know how expensive a new door for a luxury home is?!?!?!
ryan bilunka please be sarcastic.
@Mind Freshener LOL .... ok.
As a Canadian, we're not that different from Americans. Sure we have basic universal health care, gay marriage and now legalized pot. But believe me, these differences are superficial. We're very similar to Americans. I'm saying that if our gun laws were different, we'd be out of control in the same way that our American neighbours are. The difference is in our laws controlling gun acquisition. You're absolutely right regarding the source of the problem. But the sad reality is that greed trumps everything, and guns are a lucrative business. The situation in Canada, indeed all around the world, is getting worse when it comes to guns. Our hearts bleed for you, and for ourselves as well.
PTSD does not make you shoot and murder people. Psychopaths do this. PTSD is an anxiety disorder it's not dangerous.
My town is very safe: Im Canadian. And i live on probably the safest street in the safest hood in what is a very safe city.
And when i see metal detectors, i dont feel safer, i think: "why are there metal detectors? Is there a gun problem here?"
Wow I wonder why we didn’t hear about this on the U.K news? Oh wait... I know why, because he was not Muslim.
John K it was actually on our News you must've missed it pal
@@jonathanxavier2026 Yeah that is why they werent caught for years
@@Justme-rt4gj Except they aren't doing such crimes at high rates. They do them at the same level as the white population. Difference is people fear monger about Muslims.
Even IF this guy definitely isn’t an INCEL, I’m telling you, if you legalize prostitution you’d realistic prevent a third of these shootings. You’d be saving lives. I’d bet my life on it.
Thrill Bundy are serious?
madeline cruz YES
If you wanna get a ban On the AR 15 Someone needs to start a go fund me account To buy AR 15s For legal African Americans And legal Mexicans. The Congress would hold a special session to get rid of that problem. LOL
damn right robert
I feel sorry for the Founding Fathers. They must be rolling in their graves because if the corrupt cesspit of hatred that America has become. Shame on all of you.
Living in Europe I enjoy spraying zombies, Nazis, stormtroopers, Aliens etc. With automatic /semi auto fire in video games and enjoy action movies. I am so glad laws here are sensible in most countries and say such actual instruments of death are only legal and suitable for highly trained, psycologically screened police and military. The “forgetting” of the LV shooting was astonishing, 50+ killed by one guy. Disappeared off the news after a week or so. If he had been from Iran I think that would have been different.
I salute Ron, the police officer, for his courage and devotion to duty. To put your life on the line in protecting others like you did deserves the greatest of respect - a true hero. And yes, Ana, I too feel much more safe in Australia than when I have visited the USA. To feel extra safe, I visit Japan which has very strict gun laws. I like visiting America but it has a siege mentality amongst its people that is palpable.
Thank you for an excellent comment!
I cant have a "sensible" debate about gun control - if my GOP opponent thinks I'm EVIL, and cares more for his rifle than Any HUMAN, including my kids and HIS kids.
Bullshit. There are only 897 oak trees there.
You have no idea how hard it is to make sure there is never 1001 oaks in Ventura County.
My friends frequent Borderline and it’s so painful to await the full list of victims... my love goes out to everyone effected, I really hope we can create change through this tragedy.
Sometimes I think about the guns available when the 2nd amendment was written. Sometimes I wonder if the America of today has a similar atmosphere to the colonies. I look at Trump and think of Mad King George. Sometimes I feel like we’re all living the phrase “history repeats itself”
The rise the fall the failures of Empires dynasties in kingdoms. Human beings change only a little bit through history it's all the same and yes we repeat ourselves obsessively unfortunately in the United States we don't even know our own government's role in history we don't want to face it so we could never change change it. It's not easy putting on our big boys and girls pants sometimes but I hope that changes
The founding fathers let the people own guns so there own govt could never turn against them. Look at how powerful America I'd today.
When did going to a country music show become more dangerous than going to a rap concert, Biggie and Tupac rolling in their graves right now like how the hell can you get shot square dancing to Garth Brooks 😭
The warmonger mentally is beyond words. This shooter was a Marine combat veteran. He avoided getting help like many who probably thought they were just completely used by the military industrial complex
Wow I'm surprised he's Caucasian.
-Nobody
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Maybe some of the troops are heroes but not automatically, I'm sure a lot of the troops are jerks; Most people are jerks already, and it's not like giving a jerk a gun and telling him it's okay to kill people suddenly turns that jerk into a hero.
I live 15 minutes away from Borderline. It feels different when its so close to you
Yea.... I think with in most peoples lifetimes we're all gonna get to know that feeling sooner or later.
Only in America. This is so sad.
The real tragedy is that there’s no way that this shooting could have been anticipated, prevented, or mitigated.
He had mental health issues and was armed.
Do you seriously think nobody saw this coming?
This is one of the most anticipated and preventable events you can name.
@Toussaints' Wrath Yes. Shootouts in crowded rooms always turn out well.
A well regulated militia is the forerunner to the police. So it just says that the cops should have guns and no one else.
Militias are a military organization.
Police were deliberately designed not to be a military organization Vicky Mc.
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
police, as well as the national guard. These people still live with a wild west mindset, so nothing will change.
Vicky Mc, Do YOU trust the Government? Do YOU trust Donald Trump??? And you only want Government enFORCErs to have guns????
@@davidgrover5996 miltia group is just a citizen army..
we ban and restrict toys, candy, home furnishings if people get hurt or killed. this guy showed what you can do with 10 round clips & a handgun. He should not have been able to have bought a gun. he had been having mental breakdowns for years. These are perfect storm situations. They should never happen but they do. Time for limits.
should they ban firepokers if one was used to kill someone? how about cars?
i wager you have never even held a gun. he had a magazine, not a clip, and it was not 10 rounds.
Don't start with the car argument. We ask for driver's license. We have legislation to discourage people from commiting crimes. It would be massively stupid to let people drive cars without making sure that they can drive. That's why we shouldn't let people use guns without knowing if the person can/should use it.
alfonso, depending on the state you do. but remember, firearms are a right, driving is a privilage. also, driver licenses are incredibly easy to get, and in states where you have firarm licencing to show that you know the basics of firrearm operations and the safety laws that apply to them, they are as easy as getting a driver licence.
I saw someone on twitter comment that some who were caught up in this mass shooting were also in Nevada when that mass shooting happened. In most countries that would be an amazing statistic, in the US it's just Wednesday.
That’s not far-fetched at all. Thousand Oaks is about 7 minutes from me and the Borderline is a country western bar. So for some of the same people to attend both is very realistic.
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@@539-s3e I live in Canada and if a mass shooting happened in one city, it would be something talked about for years if some of those people who were there were then also present for another mass shooting.
Of course, I say I live in Canada so the chances of two mass shootings in such a short time period are nowhere near as high as in the US where you are brainwashed into believing everyone needs to own a gun and no it's not just "everyone has the right" blah blah, it's become so obsessional that it's portrayed as you're something less if you don't want or own a gun.
As an American you're there in the middle of it all and I'm just telling you as an outsider making an observation. It is NOT normal for the same people to be involved in two mass shootings, even if there isn't a huge geographical distance.
Wait for it.
Trump- "If the D.J was armed there would have been fewer deaths".
They missed an intersting side note. Some of the people in the bar also experienced the Las Vegas shooting. Whats the likelyhood of that?
If I was them I'd be racing to the border!
MK Ultra
America's relationship with gun happen because you spend most of your time as a frontier country when firearms came around. Most countries were already well urbanized and culturally established that being armed in daily public life simply don't make sense, so it was never all that difficult to think in terms of not having guns around. The problem is that you still think in terms of firearms even when you cease being a frontier country ages ago.
Well said.
Shoutout to Somalia for theyre being barely better than America on guns
Hence why we should have similar mental health sanctions like they have in the UK. Where if you are found to be a harm to yourself or others you are evaluated heavily by multiple psychiatrists then made to seek treatment. After releases from treatment you are monitored by a social worker 2-3 times a week. Watch Barcroft docs on Bedlam on youtube.
Progressives campaigned to stop such programs and for Deinstitutionalization starting in the 1950s leaving us here Rachel K.
If a weapon has no legitimate purpose ban it. Guns are useless as defensive weapons. The attacker is ready, has the element of surprise, has planning and rehearsal. The attacker is a pro. The defender is an amateur.
Stop wishful thinking and heroic fantasies. Stats say a gun in your house increases odds of a family death. Only in the movies do they save lives.
But people r afraid to get Hurt that's why2they have tattoos now
I have used a gun to defend myself. You have no idea what you're talking about.
A well REGULATED militia. Presumably this would include proper mental health screening. It's all there in the wording.
They need to increase the price of bullets
Or at least tax the shit out of them.
Chris Rock was kidding, but not really.
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Hard to feel pity for anymore. Americans brought this on themselves
What an ignorant comment. Yes, all Americans want to be shot up, even those who are for keeping guns. You're right, we actually all want to die. Honestly you're just trying to be an edgelord.
@@drewwilliams2759 no other civilsed country has this problem. If you dont want to fix your broken system then you have to pay the price
The problem is most of the white American has lots of guns in their homes because they have been taught that all others are coming to take all of their stuff, they are afraid that people will treat them like they have treated everyone else
IronBahamut and you’re suggesting because of the actions of politicians in the United States that I should die in a school? You do know the NRA is in the pockets of many politicians and vice versa, yes? I get that millions of Americans love guns and don’t want to give them up, but if it were a governmental mandate, what’s to stop the government?
IronBahamut also, if you’re so smart and from one of these other civilized countries, what do you propose? You speak in a third person view as if you’re not an American, so what do you know about the efforts and attempts to reduce and eliminate this problem if you don’t even live in the country?
FIRE those mental (un)health (un)professionals at once! I support the mother I saw on tv today who said, "don't any of you send me your prayers! I don't want your prayers! I want gun control!" GUN CONTROL!!! And fund mental health!
Her son survived the Vegas shooting, but not this one. :(
@@ariaalexandria3324 yes, know, and I was commending her for being courageous enough to be so honest about her feelings. So sad.
California has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation, what additional gun laws would have prevented this?
@@crab_aesthetics I get so disgusted with remarks like yours. There wouldn't be this problem if historically we had stricter gun laws. Now, whatever we can legislate to get guns under control would help. Why are we the only country in the world with such high gun violence? Lax gun laws. I'm done discussing this.
@@carlottavigna7822 Help me out, what specifically do you mean by "stricter gun laws?" Which specific additional laws, in California, would have prevented this? Are you calling for a ban on civilian ownership of handguns?