used to be a pro fps gamer when i was young, played pubg when it was a new thing, then dropped it, came back recently and ive seen so many cheaters, im mind blown, auto aim degenerates everywhere. cheaters in gaming should get 2 years in prison and held on 10.000$ dol bail. if the cheaters are underage they should have their computers removed from their houses.
I bet Korean managers are the ones selling the cheats. How come it takes months for an anti-cheat release, and even days before the "new" anticheat is deployed, the cheats are already being sold?
I didn't say they sell it, but do you know there's new generation of cheat that run in other pc, it give you the location, wall hack, even an aimbot, but different pc and monitor that's why is hard to detect, because the game and cheat are from different pc You only notice when the streamer keeps looking other monitor But still....they can just said, i read the comment section And how this cheat work ? They need some kind API, from the server So the cheat doesn't bothering the game It's standanlone So how they have access ? Well...😂
The thing that i find the most bizzare is that after the updates, i see a serious downtrend in auto-aim and radar type behavior, then after about a week, its slowly goes back to normal.
It's just that the hacker devs take about a week to get their hacks adjusted and updated to whatever new data transfer protocol Krafton has put in place. At this point the hacker devs have their main functionality built (the UI and the console aspect to tune the hacks) they just need to sniff the data correctly and figure out the data structure after each update. Makes for pretty quick work it appears.
People used to test the cheats out on test server. So then when update would come out, it would be ready. Used to be the first couple days after update was the crazy ones. And thats why test server is now gone
Yeah the hackers adapt. Imo bans do jack sh.t. I was killed by level 800-900 cheaters before, now it's level 30, 80, 120 players that seem to have perfect aim and cat-like reflexes. They need to punish cheaters by making the game not fun for them, like lowering their hp to 1 or better, giving them a 98% damage debuff upon detecting that they are cheating.
@@Andrew-tn1mf Yup, but the math is that if there are 3.3 cheaters in 1000 players, then there is about a 28% chance of having at least one cheater in each match of 100 players.
Right now there's about 83k people playing pubg. This week they banned 105k devices, and 66k accounts permanently. The numbers don't add up. Even if you're using some new math I've never seen.
Maybe they did this: CLAIMED there are 300mil monthly accounts "playing", and .33% of them means nearly 1million players cheating. Lol. Thats probably right considering there is probably only 5 to 10 mill playing.
Also, reporting cheaters on Xbox is completely useless! Automatic sks/mutants with a k/d of 9+ gtfo. It can’t be that difficult to find them since I find them almost every game!!!!
I played with a guy (random) on Xbox and he was running his Xbox through his pc and was telling us where every person was and every weapon was. Also using keyboard. I give up on it now.
in asia region, i heard that some sort of their internal staffs involved in assisting selling cheating program, this corruption happen due to huge benefit from that, imagine how much money that can generate
I wouldn't wonder if the developers are selling and making the cheats meaning making double amount of money! The developers are as****es! Even they recognize a cheater they only ban him for one day! That means it is only about money!
since 3 years now I stoped to spend any money on this game. sometimes I play 45min and I'm done, there's alot of 30 levels killing me like I'm a newbie, and I played 4000h! I know exactly when someone play strange or he's a pro
Yup. It's the feeling something is off, and when go into the replay.. OF COURSE HE'S LOOKING AT EVERYTHING, don't even need to discuss how unreliable the replay is blah blah blah.. a lot of discussions get stuck on irrelevant crap like that, you already can tell they're wallin' just looking 1 minute of their gameplay.
It was pretty clear from the Dev video that the anti-cheat guy was extremely uncomfortable with the position he was put in and, I think, trying not to overtly lie or tell the full truth -- although "lying with statistics" is a real thing. I've played since beta and cheating seems pretty bad and blatant right now. I think you're spot on that they just can't say how bad it is and that they really don't have a solution (and haven't for a long time). I suspect their data architecture is now obvious to hacker devs and they can try changing the data that is transmitted by the game but it is just a shell game until the hacker devs figure it out. Re. the 0.33%/33% confusion issue -- if you look at the chart in the original Dev video with % of cheaters, you can see that the vertical axis is % and highest data point is 1.6%. That alone is proof that they meant 0.33% (
The main problem as i see it, is that banned players can just get a new gmail->steam in 5min and they are back in. YES they HWID ban people.... like 0.0000000000000000001% of the bans? Because it's impossible to have 100k bans month after month after month.... it's obviously same idiots coming back ruining this lovely game. Solution? Maybe impossible, but only way is to not let us be anonymous anymore. Force us to electronically identify. First then a ban would actually mean SOMETHING, even if they register as their mother father and 25 sibblings.... and 25 cousins.... as for now... it is never ending, never getting better :( Anticheat will _NEVER_ make anything better more than maybe a few days :( Sorry for the spam but i see a lot of nice comments here and would love to share my thoughts.
Yeah, when I watched it at the time, there’s actually two outs they have, number one the graph says suspected cheaters not cheaters.. and a number two it doesn’t specify how many players that percentage is from which goes to your point.. another thing to keep in mind, they literally told us they were banning like thousands of people a week and for fun I went on and did the math from the steam charts myself and I got somewhere between 10 to 15% which again doesn’t even count Console which I think has a lot more cheaters. As always great video.
Hey Average - Love your videos! Just to be clear - in the interview video, all of the graph titles clearly say "Ranked Matches". I have to assume that this is an effort to manipulate perception. What percentage of Pubg matches are actually ranked? Keep up the great work!
They took ranked, because every single week there are thousands of new blanked created accounts. It is the only way to get some useful data, that is why.
They probably took ranked for the best case week and even that I hardly believe. Fact is we need to accept it if we want to continue playing... Or quit :(
@@iamstrider1375 No, they took ranked because free-to-play doesn't say anything because of all that accounts that get created to farm and sell. In one of the dev letters PUBG told us, one hardware ID created 2000 accounts a day but they don't have that in ranked. In fact, if they would use stats that look better in terms of cheating, they would take the casual stats but PUBG doesn't lie therefore, they needed to use clean stats as much as possible without any data that might fake it.
I would love to use them more but they are so difficult - I think I have 3 total kills with them in my 6+ years of playing and only from a hot landing with only that available and hitting some other guy in the first 30 seconds (who likely has no helmet/armor).
@@yellowwducky I was destroyed by a guy with one when I first started playing. But I've had zero luck with them. After the fourth or fifth time, I stopped trying. They seem really hard to learn.
In my opinion, it could be a lot of cheaters, but mostly i think the problem is back-end... Developers coding.... Yesterday I've played pc pubg and on waiting area i was running and one guy start to follow me and try to hit me, but i was away like 1 meter and somehow he managed to hit in 1 meter distance i was totally shocked its like marvel character came to game and make some fantastic long way punches.... Also, when you throw snowballs in Vikendi, even if snowball is far away from person, you can see snowball touching the air next to person, but you basically hit the player. So there are a lot of BUGS in the game that developers are not resolving.... I think the game itself needs a lot of SDET or manual testers like pro gamers or sctreamers to report bugs to developers... In most cases, the bug misunderstands like cheaters, but there could be just a bug that looks like player cheating. One more thing, i usually played with wifi, a week ago i plugged wire to computer and opened the game, the game kicked me out like game crashed, after reload the game it said i need to reinstall the game from steam... After reinstall its seems to be ok but i lost my fast movement...so also one more factor it could be your internet speed also causing glitch in game and bugs. I think pibg pc lowered my internet speed so my movement would be slow as wifi speed....
Hi TAS and everybody else. Basic math on the amount of people cheating on just the PC platform is, if PUBG has over the past year an avg of 260,000 players monthly, not including peaks, yet on their 6th day pie charts they were banning an avg of 100,000 accounts, then the 33% of players being cheater’s actually adds up without doing full on mathematic percentages. I had a group of 7 players who played daily, we’ve all quit due to the cheating.
I was sure I commented but maybe I didn't hit comment tldr; if 0.33% of players are cheaters, there is a 28.147% chance of there being at least one cheater in each game of 100 players. I think there are more cheaters around!
Even if it is 0.33%,every third match is likely to be won by a cheater. That would need to be reduced by a factor of a hundred for us to not notice or care.
.33% means only 3.3 out of 1000 players are suspect cheaters - not even confirmed cheaters...just suspect. So the fact that you are suspecting at a way higher amount means that this is a clear lie.
That means 99.67% out of the 100 players are not using cheats. You would have a cheater about every fourth match. 33.0 would be more accurate, the decimal point is in the wrong spot!
@@JSonJSonJSonJSonJSon Yup, your math agrees with mine. Even if there are only 3.3 cheaters out of every thousand players, you still have a 28% chance to have AT LEAST one in any given match with 100 players. Now, there are a lot of variables here that will influence things. For instance, do cheaters just hot drop and take out 10 people and quit, do cheaters tryhard for top 10 to then clean the remainers for chickens etc? I suspect a bit of both. However, even if say half are the try hard type, that means that you are going to run into a cheater in the final 10 probably every 4th to 8th game (assuming you consistently make it to the top ten) and then, well, you very likely don't get chicken those times. Well, I am a ratting bushwookie tryhard and I on Paramo (best map for avoiding cheaters) get 40-50% top tens. However, I very rarely get chickens. Now yes, I am a potato but my real game experience tells me there are a lot more cheaters around given my lack of chickens - not everyone who isn't cheating is a AS/Danu flick one shot savage. I'd wager there are more like 2% of players cheating aka you are essentially guaranteed a cheater in every match.
I’ve been playing on console for over 3 years. The amount of people using mouse is just ridiculous and after some time you just spot them instantly. The speed they turn and recoil control.
Something I haven't seen until recently, "happened twice in the past week" my weapon will be unusable, when a suspected cheater gets close...pubg mobile
The problem is bad enough that my lobbies are filled with mostly bots. I play squads. Had a round where the two final players were bots literally running across what was left of the circle with NO weapon. It was the easiest chicken dinner I’ve ever had. All we could do was laugh.
hit the like button. I agree one hundred percent. There are a lot more cheaters in the game than pubg wants to tell us about it. Money doesn’t smell. If cheaters donate... who cares? They ban only the most arrogant and most obvious cheaters. - For a three days or more. they usually immediately log into their other account and continue playing. or create a new account.
@@gvea334 It was once a nice game. But now is totally destroyed. I think the reason why devs doing nothing about it is just money. They still invest a lot of manpower into the game creating new levels. I wouldn't wonder if the devs itselfs are selling the cheats on the black market somehow. Making money on both ends. That how it feels to me. Cheers!
Its already super known how many cheaters there are in basically every fps online game. Some famous twitch players have already done the service and tracked other cheaters by using hacks by themselves. Depending on the game, but it varies between 30-60% of all your game to have at least 1 cheater. And those were only confirmed interactions. So the number is basically higher. In pubg there is probably at least 1 cheater in every game. Be mindfull that not every cheat is an aimbot. There are other "less" harmful as no recoil etc. Nevertheless for me playing online fps games make no sense cause its triggering just knowing that.
In a game with massive lobbies like PUBG, even 0.33% can be bad. Assuming there are no bots, this means there's a cheater in approximately every third match.
Agree totally. I even send my way to get ride of cheaters to PUBG and they never try to implement it. yes a simple trust level so new player AKA most of the time are cheaters. They could play alone in a lower level of trust for example: hours of played so new players have to play fair to raise their trust level and cheaters stay at low level because they will get ban soon or later anyway and restart over the trust level ;) 0001 to 0500 hours could be Level trust #1, Basic level 0501 to 1000 hours could be Level trust #2, 1001 to 2000 hours could be Level trust #3, 2001 to 3000 hours could be Level trust #4, etc ect Even add new maps only available for lever 2 and up.... This way we could have a better control of cheaters. You don't play fair then start over loser. You have no access to play with faire trusted level players.
If there were 300 million monthly players each round would start almost immediately. PUBG is the only BR game I've ever played with such a long pre-game countdown. It's why I've quit playing so many times over the years.
The real question is why would PUBG developers tell us anything while they are selling division amongst players that pay vs players that don’t ? Maybe they are selling the hacks ? Maybe they give HEALTH ,DAMAGE ,or even sight protection for players that are good little servants and purchasers of these thieves products . The bottom line is you are not to question them or know anything period.
Dont other countries like China use other game launchers just like they use other streaming services and not twitch or TH-cam? And maybe not counted in the numbers of players data you saw??
I'll be blunt I do really good after the bans and two days later I do awful, so I suspect it's mostly cheaters playing imo. I've got sniped so damn fast and I watch the death cams, and them playing it's like they lock on your head instantly.
I stopped playing the game because of the map rotations , the devs have given us the same map rotation the last 6-12 months , playing the same 4 maps over and over each week when they have tons of great epic maps they could have let us play , this is totally un fair and way worse then the cheater issue , my fav map is never played HAVEN , and many others as well , its the reason im fed up by the game , and not cheaters but stupid devs.
also its hard to say what distribution the cheaters are per region, i think Asia has the most, but not sure about EU and NA. I usually get a cheater in casual at about 1in9 games (across 3 accounts as thats all i play, usually i die to a full squad of a clan all over level 1000 and you can tell those high level players are usually not blatantly cheating compared to the new account level 5s)
Necessity is the mother of all invention. Some enterprising people ought to create something along to lines of an AI admin that is contained to a server and can in real time monitor gameplay with admin tools and mmediately detect a cheater that is scope tracking another player without line of sight aka esp/radar cheats and ban them...
absolutely, you can tell if someone killed a player from lets say half across the map, someone moves too quickly, somebody's KD is waaay out of the norm and etc
The Wall Street Journal had an article a few years ago about the CCP aggressively prosecuting the creators of the cheats. WSJ backed up their claim with credible stats that 3/4 of the Chinese PUBG servers are using cheating programs of some sort. They also found that at peak Chinese gaming hours, 50% of PUBG servers are Chinese. WSJ concluded that 35-40% of players on the NA servers at peak Chinese gaming hours are players using cheat programs. Certain games, like PUBG, progress players through the game. So, the likelihood of being killed by a cheater is close to always.
@@TheAverageSniper It was a few years back, but the claims checked out. The cheating in China is just part of the gaming culture. The business behind it is enormous. Gaming has a market cap that is bigger than all of television and film combined. So even a fraction of it is a huge industry. My anecdotal evidence is that nothing has changed when it comes to cheating, and it is simply wack-a-mole. As games require more resources and companies try to offset operations costs, they try to make games more client side heavy. That just opens opportunities for gaming hacking. PUBG is obviously very client side heavy and susceptible to cheating. Client side heavy also gives advantages to gamers with better hardware. Fixing that is the first step to fixing the game. I doubt the AI anti-cheat will ever work. There will probably be an AI cheat to dupe the AI anti-cheat.
Ive been playing more during mornings or noon and ive noticed less real players and more bots (expected) but what really got me was how many cheaters are playing during these hours. Less chance of being caught? Ive been playing in this schedule all november now and ive noticed at least 1 cheater or very sus player in every game, sometimes is a whole squad. So yeah, i would say 20% is cheating only from PC. Those are pretty big numbers. I ran the game today and got 2 notifications from players I reported on monday. They were only temp banned but still, pretty sure they are cheating.
Honestly compared to warzone there is very little cheaters and while I think warzone is the better game in gameplay, map design, gamemodes and graphics its full of cheaters. After seeing a lot of your videos and doing my own research pubg is definetly the multiplayer shooter to play and not get cheated on all the time, thanks for your videos.
I agree with what You say but I think the problem is even worse. By going to free-to-play You need to ask Yourself, what is the business model. The business model is to make money from ingame store sales. That on its own is a huge motivation to BAN NOBODY, even if they're cheating. I've submitted a lot of reports, nothing happens. It gets worse. Streamers who monetize their channels, have contracts with sponsors are motivated to cheat to be able to pull of those extreme shots/kills. If You were to cut these guys You'd lose Your biggest promoters to Your game. I'm not saying all streamers are cheaters, but a significant portion of them definitely are. This just goes to show, that cutting cheaters would also cut into Krafton profits.
After this new update I've seen loads more suspect cheaters. Last few months had seemed fine in the Australian servers. First game got one tapped from an aug as a passenger from the side. Not even multiple shots at the car
when i had surgery recently i downloaded th game. After 60+ plus hours playing(more like 100+lol) It's kinda sad that the cheats arent going to be punished. This intensifies the talentless bags of flesh who cant compete against decent players like us straight up. Then they go outdoors and try it and end up with free dental work or worse. Is there a viable option other then pugb to play where devs prevent cheating asbest as poss?
We all know and see the cheaters and that's why there are so few that play now .. people are abandoning the game that's why they have bots there is not enough people to play on a regular basis ..
I usually joke when we play this game that the anti chewt system is very human, as my friends will report players whonthey think cheated specially they are familia to see players hitting them headshot fromna distance that is unrealistic and sometimes know their location.
i get at least 2 reports / day of cheaters being banned. today i got 4 reports in less than 3 hours. idk what is going on, but i'm done with this game. i came here to see only if i was the only one. what a good game with horrible devs.
Idk how to spot them with certainty though I’m sure there’s many, the vast majority of people who gets killed by a player on my server accuses them of cheating lol (Console OCE)
I just played a game where I had 19 kills when we reached ending.. then a fucking aimbotter with Kar98 Headshots me with an impossible shot. I watched the replay and I was not even on his screen.
been playing pc pubg since day 1 almost 6k hours in, cheaters are 100% why we have lost so many players, we spend time to learn how to play and cheaters just insta kill us, a now deleted dev post on reddit said we cant blame china for vpning to na and cheating because its their culture, im sorry what? no reason i should be playin at 2 am and all of my teammates are under level 100 with gibberish names, and they insta headshot anyone from any distance with a barrel, but speak no English at all, and admit to being in china. we have a bigger problem and i dont know how they could fix it or even if they want to after they posted that or if they will even acknowledge it.
I quit the game because of the cheaters. I really liked it. It's a real shame. Is there no way for the system to detect that someone is doing something outside of the normal range established by the developers? Fortnite sucks, too, but it's visually fun.
Id say at least 3-4 squads on console doing something fishy. I seen some console players with high of 40 kills in one game and 30+kds. It’s definitely an issue
Uh dont forget the false banns that some players get from time to time. I myself got banned for accusing of hacking just bc the reports met a specific number. Yeah…bs, but i got my account back
@AverageSniper: Pls stop talking good about this game and tell the truth that this game is since some months total bullshit. Mostly for beginners and middle skilled players. I am middle to high skilled players. Some year or more before I managed quite often to reach TOP10 at the end of game and several times I achieved the chicken dinner. But some months ago I stopped playing cause I wasn't achieving anything anymore! The truth is: in EVERY ROUND there are now AT LEAST THREE CHEATERS! At EVERY ROUND! This is the sad truth! And mostly there are more cheaters! Next truth: The developers give a shit. Even if they recognize a cheater they only ban him for ONE DAY. WTF? Is this a joke???! A ban should be FOREVER! And I asume maybe the developers are even selling the cheats at some dark places on the internet making double amount of money! They literally give a f***! Tell the people the truth: They are wasting their time and life at this game! This game is totally destroyed! It is zero worth playing it! Maybe for some very high skilled players it makes sense but I have enough being sprayed with zero recoil from far distance me driving in a car! END
If cheating makes you mad, you are playing the wrong game. PUBG has long been and forever will be way easy too cheat if you want to. The foundation pubg was built on is very exploitable. i stopped getting mad about it a long time ago and just play casually. And not to mention most of the bans are auto bans and are NOT being reviewed. Me and a friend i play with were both banned on separate occasions for catching too much air on the motorcycle, while both of us were not cheating at all.
I've been playing this game for 3 years and until the game became free I met at most 5 cheaters, now they are in every rink, they mostly have 50-300 (sometimes higher) bronze level and shooting at the level of professionals playing in this game since season 1, however, their movements and speed of picking up loot, their ability to pick are at the level of a child, they are always rats in houses and most often do not take any active actions in the game. There were also cheaters before, but there were very few of them.
Its like you said average! Weve been playing long enough to know by sound, movements and lately the way they are against bots!! Totally different! Cheats dont work on bots and it shows! They dont care and ive ran into some that know your watching and dance, shoot etc! Ive also witnessed players not looking at there surroundings and running straight towards the enemy's! Blatantly cheating.
Another 4 games in a row with cheaters I reported 15 players for cheating yesterday and I got 15 reports of them being banned for cheating some got a Permanent ban but they were all had names like this 23108985472398483 so we know they have like 50 alt accounts.
Okay, i got suspicion every 3rd match, and obvious cheater in every 6th. I reported barely 1 person on 5 matches (obvious cheating or in rage). I got 1 on my 20 report confirmed. FPP squads EU
Also, 300mil players, means almost 10 mil cheaters based off their cheating. That's still bad knowing the daily active player base for console is less then a million
Well, your critics are better than most I see, but you also seem to misunderstand a lot. What was the purpose to show the stats? Showing how the system improved, and they calculated it from ranked. Only 10% of the players report in that mode and if you think about this already, 0.33% seems to be plausible. All ranked matches in 30 days, how many reports, how many get banned, and you get the result you can compare later to see, has something improved or not. I don't say they did everything right, there are issue about how they explained it etc, but they didn't lie. The guy on Reddit, claimed something I've never heard, and I didn't find the claim, 300 million active players in that video, so please share me the source there so I can check. It could be just one of the bad misleading rumors the communities of games suffer a lot from..... What many also forget is, 40% of all players don't play on Steam but KAKAO and they don't have a big cheating issue there because KAKAO has ID verification for players in Korea. Another important fact about how many active players etc because many just watch on Steam and think, that's it. Sorry for my bad English; I hope I have made some important points. Best regards!
used to be a pro fps gamer when i was young, played pubg when it was a new thing, then dropped it, came back recently and ive seen so many cheaters, im mind blown, auto aim degenerates everywhere. cheaters in gaming should get 2 years in prison and held on 10.000$ dol bail. if the cheaters are underage they should have their computers removed from their houses.
Bro i 100 percent agree
I bet Korean managers are the ones selling the cheats. How come it takes months for an anti-cheat release, and even days before the "new" anticheat is deployed, the cheats are already being sold?
Only to other Asians
I didn't say they sell it, but do you know there's new generation of cheat that run in other pc, it give you the location, wall hack, even an aimbot, but different pc and monitor
that's why is hard to detect, because the game and cheat are from different pc
You only notice when the streamer keeps looking other monitor
But still....they can just said, i read the comment section
And how this cheat work ?
They need some kind API, from the server
So the cheat doesn't bothering the game
It's standanlone
So how they have access ?
Well...😂
The fully automatic dragonovs and sks's on console is palpable.
The thing that i find the most bizzare is that after the updates, i see a serious downtrend in auto-aim and radar type behavior, then after about a week, its slowly goes back to normal.
It's just that the hacker devs take about a week to get their hacks adjusted and updated to whatever new data transfer protocol Krafton has put in place. At this point the hacker devs have their main functionality built (the UI and the console aspect to tune the hacks) they just need to sniff the data correctly and figure out the data structure after each update. Makes for pretty quick work it appears.
100% right.after un update my game gets better and after a while I play like shit again
People used to test the cheats out on test server. So then when update would come out, it would be ready. Used to be the first couple days after update was the crazy ones. And thats why test server is now gone
Yeah the hackers adapt. Imo bans do jack sh.t. I was killed by level 800-900 cheaters before, now it's level 30, 80, 120 players that seem to have perfect aim and cat-like reflexes. They need to punish cheaters by making the game not fun for them, like lowering their hp to 1 or better, giving them a 98% damage debuff upon detecting that they are cheating.
If the leaders of the official anti-cheat team are telling such blatant lies, it might really be time to say goodbye to this game. . .
If .3 percent of players are cheaters and there are 100 players per game that means each match has a 30% change of playing with a cheater.
I don’t see the lie, you both said the same thing. Pubg .3% cheaters is a cheater every 3-4 games. It’s the same number
they meant .3 of 1%, not 30%
@@Andrew-tn1mf Yup, but the math is that if there are 3.3 cheaters in 1000 players, then there is about a 28% chance of having at least one cheater in each match of 100 players.
@@yellowwduckythat’s not how math works
33% percent seems accurate to me🤷
Right now there's about 83k people playing pubg. This week they banned 105k devices, and 66k accounts permanently. The numbers don't add up. Even if you're using some new math I've never seen.
Yeah it's wild how bad it is the only time to play is the couple days after bans its okay for about 24 hours.
Former top 100 player here. I basically quit the game due to the cheaters. I just cant do it anymore.
Maybe they did this: CLAIMED there are 300mil monthly accounts "playing", and .33% of them means nearly 1million players cheating. Lol. Thats probably right considering there is probably only 5 to 10 mill playing.
4 cheaters in every game on Console, my guess is 15% of player base is cheating
Also, reporting cheaters on Xbox is completely useless! Automatic sks/mutants with a k/d of 9+ gtfo. It can’t be that difficult to find them since I find them almost every game!!!!
Console is just the worst when it come to cheating. . . I do appreciate that the Xbox community is doing away with strike packs and chorus
@@3rdKindJaythey were supposed to be removed last week. Still going strong with people shooting slrs like a vector
@@kris2384... I guess we are going to have to deal with the cheaters in both the PlayStation and Xbox community no matter what
It’s so crazy how many console players openly admit and are proud for using Cronus and how it’s not cheating
I played with a guy (random) on Xbox and he was running his Xbox through his pc and was telling us where every person was and every weapon was. Also using keyboard. I give up on it now.
in asia region, i heard that some sort of their internal staffs involved in assisting selling cheating program, this corruption happen due to huge benefit from that, imagine how much money that can generate
Not a lot if people stop playing the game.
I wouldn't wonder if the developers are selling and making the cheats meaning making double amount of money!
The developers are as****es! Even they recognize a cheater they only ban him for one day! That means it is only about money!
since 3 years now I stoped to spend any money on this game. sometimes I play 45min and I'm done, there's alot of 30 levels killing me like I'm a newbie, and I played 4000h! I know exactly when someone play strange or he's a pro
Yup. It's the feeling something is off, and when go into the replay.. OF COURSE HE'S LOOKING AT EVERYTHING, don't even need to discuss how unreliable the replay is blah blah blah.. a lot of discussions get stuck on irrelevant crap like that, you already can tell they're wallin' just looking 1 minute of their gameplay.
@@n00blamer exactly
In the last week I have been killed twice by wall hacks and once by speed hack, reported the same but no notifications on the same.
It was pretty clear from the Dev video that the anti-cheat guy was extremely uncomfortable with the position he was put in and, I think, trying not to overtly lie or tell the full truth -- although "lying with statistics" is a real thing.
I've played since beta and cheating seems pretty bad and blatant right now. I think you're spot on that they just can't say how bad it is and that they really don't have a solution (and haven't for a long time). I suspect their data architecture is now obvious to hacker devs and they can try changing the data that is transmitted by the game but it is just a shell game until the hacker devs figure it out.
Re. the 0.33%/33% confusion issue -- if you look at the chart in the original Dev video with % of cheaters, you can see that the vertical axis is % and highest data point is 1.6%. That alone is proof that they meant 0.33% (
The main problem as i see it, is that banned players can just get a new gmail->steam in 5min and they are back in. YES they HWID ban people.... like 0.0000000000000000001% of the bans? Because it's impossible to have 100k bans month after month after month.... it's obviously same idiots coming back ruining this lovely game.
Solution?
Maybe impossible, but only way is to not let us be anonymous anymore.
Force us to electronically identify.
First then a ban would actually mean SOMETHING, even if they register as their mother father and 25 sibblings.... and 25 cousins.... as for now... it is never ending, never getting better :(
Anticheat will _NEVER_ make anything better more than maybe a few days :(
Sorry for the spam but i see a lot of nice comments here and would love to share my thoughts.
Yeah, when I watched it at the time, there’s actually two outs they have, number one the graph says suspected cheaters not cheaters.. and a number two it doesn’t specify how many players that percentage is from which goes to your point.. another thing to keep in mind, they literally told us they were banning like thousands of people a week and for fun I went on and did the math from the steam charts myself and I got somewhere between 10 to 15% which again doesn’t even count Console which I think has a lot more cheaters. As always great video.
I never thought i would see the day when online console games have more cheaters than PC
And they pay for it haha
0.33% of all accounts ever created would still be too low a number
Hey Average - Love your videos! Just to be clear - in the interview video, all of the graph titles clearly say "Ranked Matches". I have to assume that this is an effort to manipulate perception. What percentage of Pubg matches are actually ranked? Keep up the great work!
They took ranked, because every single week there are thousands of new blanked created accounts. It is the only way to get some useful data, that is why.
They probably took ranked for the best case week and even that I hardly believe. Fact is we need to accept it if we want to continue playing... Or quit :(
@@iamstrider1375 No, they took ranked because free-to-play doesn't say anything because of all that accounts that get created to farm and sell. In one of the dev letters PUBG told us, one hardware ID created 2000 accounts a day but they don't have that in ranked. In fact, if they would use stats that look better in terms of cheating, they would take the casual stats but PUBG doesn't lie therefore, they needed to use clean stats as much as possible without any data that might fake it.
Pubg devs: just close your eyes and pretend it’s not happening. The more you believe the lie, the more it becomes true
None of us have recovered from the crossbow to the face... 🤣🤣
I would love to use them more but they are so difficult - I think I have 3 total kills with them in my 6+ years of playing and only from a hot landing with only that available and hitting some other guy in the first 30 seconds (who likely has no helmet/armor).
@@yellowwducky I was destroyed by a guy with one when I first started playing. But I've had zero luck with them. After the fourth or fifth time, I stopped trying. They seem really hard to learn.
In my opinion, it could be a lot of cheaters, but mostly i think the problem is back-end...
Developers coding....
Yesterday I've played pc pubg and on waiting area i was running and one guy start to follow me and try to hit me, but i was away like 1 meter and somehow he managed to hit in 1 meter distance i was totally shocked its like marvel character came to game and make some fantastic long way punches....
Also, when you throw snowballs in Vikendi, even if snowball is far away from person, you can see snowball touching the air next to person, but you basically hit the player.
So there are a lot of BUGS in the game that developers are not resolving....
I think the game itself needs a lot of SDET or manual testers like pro gamers or sctreamers to report bugs to developers...
In most cases, the bug misunderstands like cheaters, but there could be just a bug that looks like player cheating.
One more thing, i usually played with wifi, a week ago i plugged wire to computer and opened the game, the game kicked me out like game crashed, after reload the game it said i need to reinstall the game from steam...
After reinstall its seems to be ok but i lost my fast movement...so also one more factor it could be your internet speed also causing glitch in game and bugs.
I think pibg pc lowered my internet speed so my movement would be slow as wifi speed....
Hi TAS and everybody else. Basic math on the amount of people cheating on just the PC platform is, if PUBG has over the past year an avg of 260,000 players monthly, not including peaks, yet on their 6th day pie charts they were banning an avg of 100,000 accounts, then the 33% of players being cheater’s actually adds up without doing full on mathematic percentages. I had a group of 7 players who played daily, we’ve all quit due to the cheating.
Looking good Average!!
I was sure I commented but maybe I didn't hit comment tldr; if 0.33% of players are cheaters, there is a 28.147% chance of there being at least one cheater in each game of 100 players. I think there are more cheaters around!
As a console player, this fits. Desync is infinitely worse than cheating, on console at least.
Even if it is 0.33%,every third match is likely to be won by a cheater. That would need to be reduced by a factor of a hundred for us to not notice or care.
.33% means only 3.3 out of 1000 players are suspect cheaters - not even confirmed cheaters...just suspect. So the fact that you are suspecting at a way higher amount means that this is a clear lie.
That means 99.67% out of the 100 players are not using cheats. You would have a cheater about every fourth match. 33.0 would be more accurate, the decimal point is in the wrong spot!
@@JSonJSonJSonJSonJSon Yup, your math agrees with mine. Even if there are only 3.3 cheaters out of every thousand players, you still have a 28% chance to have AT LEAST one in any given match with 100 players. Now, there are a lot of variables here that will influence things. For instance, do cheaters just hot drop and take out 10 people and quit, do cheaters tryhard for top 10 to then clean the remainers for chickens etc? I suspect a bit of both. However, even if say half are the try hard type, that means that you are going to run into a cheater in the final 10 probably every 4th to 8th game (assuming you consistently make it to the top ten) and then, well, you very likely don't get chicken those times. Well, I am a ratting bushwookie tryhard and I on Paramo (best map for avoiding cheaters) get 40-50% top tens. However, I very rarely get chickens. Now yes, I am a potato but my real game experience tells me there are a lot more cheaters around given my lack of chickens - not everyone who isn't cheating is a AS/Danu flick one shot savage. I'd wager there are more like 2% of players cheating aka you are essentially guaranteed a cheater in every match.
I’ve been playing on console for over 3 years. The amount of people using mouse is just ridiculous and after some time you just spot them instantly. The speed they turn and recoil control.
Apparently Devs don't consider mouse n keyboard an official "cheat"
I think the translator put the decimal in the wrong place
Can we sue them
0.33% would mean about 1 cheater for every 3 matches played (given lobbies of 100 actual players). Thats still a significant number.
7 out of every 100 is my estimate on console, the final phases are always cheatr vs cheater vs cheater vs teamer.
Something I haven't seen until recently, "happened twice in the past week" my weapon will be unusable, when a suspected cheater gets close...pubg mobile
The problem is bad enough that my lobbies are filled with mostly bots. I play squads. Had a round where the two final players were bots literally running across what was left of the circle with NO weapon. It was the easiest chicken dinner I’ve ever had. All we could do was laugh.
hit the like button. I agree one hundred percent. There are a lot more cheaters in the game than pubg wants to tell us about it. Money doesn’t smell. If cheaters donate... who cares? They ban only the most arrogant and most obvious cheaters. - For a three days or more. they usually immediately log into their other account and continue playing. or create a new account.
I ran in to cheaters 4 games in a row. I gave up after that haha.
I stopped playing it. It's a shit game just now.
@@hudsonthereal I feel ya. The struggle is real. .33% just op lol.
@@gvea334 It was once a nice game. But now is totally destroyed. I think the reason why devs doing nothing about it is just money. They still invest a lot of manpower into the game creating new levels. I wouldn't wonder if the devs itselfs are selling the cheats on the black market somehow. Making money on both ends. That how it feels to me.
Cheers!
I think you mean in a "row"
Sadness
I believe pubg mobile has the biggest player field out of all platforms.
And the saddest cheat statistics
Its already super known how many cheaters there are in basically every fps online game.
Some famous twitch players have already done the service and tracked other cheaters by using hacks by themselves. Depending on the game, but it varies between 30-60% of all your game to have at least 1 cheater. And those were only confirmed interactions. So the number is basically higher. In pubg there is probably at least 1 cheater in every game.
Be mindfull that not every cheat is an aimbot. There are other "less" harmful as no recoil etc. Nevertheless for me playing online fps games make no sense cause its triggering just knowing that.
In a game with massive lobbies like PUBG, even 0.33% can be bad. Assuming there are no bots, this means there's a cheater in approximately every third match.
I have bumped into "ImAverageSniper" multiple times playing solo FPP.
Agree totally. I even send my way to get ride of cheaters to PUBG and they never try to implement it.
yes a simple trust level so new player AKA most of the time are cheaters. They could play alone in a lower level of trust for example:
hours of played so new players have to play fair to raise their trust level and cheaters stay at low level because they will get ban soon or later anyway and restart over the trust level ;)
0001 to 0500 hours could be Level trust #1, Basic level
0501 to 1000 hours could be Level trust #2,
1001 to 2000 hours could be Level trust #3,
2001 to 3000 hours could be Level trust #4,
etc ect
Even add new maps only available for lever 2 and up.... This way we could have a better control of cheaters. You don't play fair then start over loser.
You have no access to play with faire trusted level players.
If there were 300 million monthly players each round would start almost immediately. PUBG is the only BR game I've ever played with such a long pre-game countdown. It's why I've quit playing so many times over the years.
The real question is why would PUBG developers tell us anything while they are selling division amongst players that pay vs players that don’t ? Maybe they are selling the hacks ? Maybe they give HEALTH ,DAMAGE ,or even sight protection for players that are good little servants and purchasers of these thieves products . The bottom line is you are not to question them or know anything period.
Dont other countries like China use other game launchers just like they use other streaming services and not twitch or TH-cam? And maybe not counted in the numbers of players data you saw??
Imagine crawling in grass to hide for almost 20min, and just get killed by pistol from distance lmao
I'll be blunt I do really good after the bans and two days later I do awful, so I suspect it's mostly cheaters playing imo. I've got sniped so damn fast and I watch the death cams, and them playing it's like they lock on your head instantly.
Dude every time I hear that crossbow whisper I clench up!😂
The tinkle of a grenade or the whoosh of an incoming molly.....
Of course not because they lie to make themselves feel better by acting like they are on top of their jobs but they really aren’t
I stopped playing the game because of the map rotations , the devs have given us the same map rotation the last 6-12 months , playing the same 4 maps over and over each week when they have tons of great epic maps they could have let us play , this is totally un fair and way worse then the cheater issue , my fav map is never played HAVEN , and many others as well , its the reason im fed up by the game , and not cheaters but stupid devs.
Haven was great. They did the shitty Assassins Creed collab on it and I saw it like once during that period. Then they shelved it permanently lol
also its hard to say what distribution the cheaters are per region, i think Asia has the most, but not sure about EU and NA. I usually get a cheater in casual at about 1in9 games (across 3 accounts as thats all i play, usually i die to a full squad of a clan all over level 1000 and you can tell those high level players are usually not blatantly cheating compared to the new account level 5s)
Necessity is the mother of all invention.
Some enterprising people ought to create something along to lines of an AI admin that is contained to a server and can in real time monitor gameplay with admin tools and mmediately detect a cheater that is scope tracking another player without line of sight aka esp/radar cheats and ban them...
absolutely, you can tell if someone killed a player from lets say half across the map, someone moves too quickly, somebody's KD is waaay out of the norm and etc
The Wall Street Journal had an article a few years ago about the CCP aggressively prosecuting the creators of the cheats. WSJ backed up their claim with credible stats that 3/4 of the Chinese PUBG servers are using cheating programs of some sort. They also found that at peak Chinese gaming hours, 50% of PUBG servers are Chinese.
WSJ concluded that 35-40% of players on the NA servers at peak Chinese gaming hours are players using cheat programs. Certain games, like PUBG, progress players through the game. So, the likelihood of being killed by a cheater is close to always.
I'm gonna check into this. Thx for the info. If you have a link to the article, please send to me.
@@TheAverageSniper It was a few years back, but the claims checked out. The cheating in China is just part of the gaming culture. The business behind it is enormous. Gaming has a market cap that is bigger than all of television and film combined. So even a fraction of it is a huge industry.
My anecdotal evidence is that nothing has changed when it comes to cheating, and it is simply wack-a-mole. As games require more resources and companies try to offset operations costs, they try to make games more client side heavy. That just opens opportunities for gaming hacking. PUBG is obviously very client side heavy and susceptible to cheating. Client side heavy also gives advantages to gamers with better hardware. Fixing that is the first step to fixing the game. I doubt the AI anti-cheat will ever work. There will probably be an AI cheat to dupe the AI anti-cheat.
@@TheAverageSniper did you find this article?
Ive been playing more during mornings or noon and ive noticed less real players and more bots (expected) but what really got me was how many cheaters are playing during these hours. Less chance of being caught? Ive been playing in this schedule all november now and ive noticed at least 1 cheater or very sus player in every game, sometimes is a whole squad. So yeah, i would say 20% is cheating only from PC. Those are pretty big numbers. I ran the game today and got 2 notifications from players I reported on monday. They were only temp banned but still, pretty sure they are cheating.
also, they probably took the number out of all accounts, including not active
Honestly compared to warzone there is very little cheaters and while I think warzone is the better game in gameplay, map design, gamemodes and graphics its full of cheaters. After seeing a lot of your videos and doing my own research pubg is definetly the multiplayer shooter to play and not get cheated on all the time, thanks for your videos.
I agree with what You say but I think the problem is even worse. By going to free-to-play You need to ask Yourself, what is the business model. The business model is to make money from ingame store sales. That on its own is a huge motivation to BAN NOBODY, even if they're cheating. I've submitted a lot of reports, nothing happens.
It gets worse. Streamers who monetize their channels, have contracts with sponsors are motivated to cheat to be able to pull of those extreme shots/kills. If You were to cut these guys You'd lose Your biggest promoters to Your game. I'm not saying all streamers are cheaters, but a significant portion of them definitely are.
This just goes to show, that cutting cheaters would also cut into Krafton profits.
After this new update I've seen loads more suspect cheaters. Last few months had seemed fine in the Australian servers. First game got one tapped from an aug as a passenger from the side. Not even multiple shots at the car
when i had surgery recently i downloaded th game. After 60+ plus hours playing(more like 100+lol) It's kinda sad that the cheats arent going to be punished. This intensifies the talentless bags of flesh who cant compete against decent players like us straight up. Then they go outdoors and try it and end up with free dental work or worse. Is there a viable option other then pugb to play where devs prevent cheating asbest as poss?
Its more like 0.33% do NOT CHEAT. See SOOO MANY slow motion kills, clear BODY SHOTS, that MAGICALLY become HEAD SHOTS!
We all know and see the cheaters and that's why there are so few that play now .. people are abandoning the game that's why they have bots there is not enough people to play on a regular basis ..
Are they possibly counting the mobile version in the player numbers? 0.33% would be 900,000 people.
I usually joke when we play this game that the anti chewt system is very human, as my friends will report players whonthey think cheated specially they are familia to see players hitting them headshot fromna distance that is unrealistic and sometimes know their location.
I honestly think pubg is in on the cheating problem… you gotta understand how lucrative of a business this is in other countries 🤫
Ok.. ok. I smacked it
It's usually not cheating. The game just has crazy desync. It's so bad that anyone who plays it still must be a masochist.
i get at least 2 reports / day of cheaters being banned. today i got 4 reports in less than 3 hours. idk what is going on, but i'm done with this game. i came here to see only if i was the only one. what a good game with horrible devs.
In any way, 0.33% mean than your will run into a cheater in 1/3 of the game a player base of 100 players per game This is a lot !
Idk how to spot them with certainty though I’m sure there’s many, the vast majority of people who gets killed by a player on my server accuses them of cheating lol (Console OCE)
I just played a game where I had 19 kills when we reached ending.. then a fucking aimbotter with Kar98 Headshots me with an impossible shot.
I watched the replay and I was not even on his screen.
They lie about cheating because the top streamers all cheat, and they're not gonna punish they're biggest advertisers
.33% is still 1 in 3 games, since you are 1 out of 100 in a single game
been playing pc pubg since day 1 almost 6k hours in, cheaters are 100% why we have lost so many players, we spend time to learn how to play and cheaters just insta kill us, a now deleted dev post on reddit said we cant blame china for vpning to na and cheating because its their culture, im sorry what? no reason i should be playin at 2 am and all of my teammates are under level 100 with gibberish names, and they insta headshot anyone from any distance with a barrel, but speak no English at all, and admit to being in china. we have a bigger problem and i dont know how they could fix it or even if they want to after they posted that or if they will even acknowledge it.
When you watch pubg reports of you getting LASERED by grozas and mk14s its a bit obvious...
Even at 1% cheaters, a lobby with 100 people means one is a cheater, EVERY TIME! So every lobby would have at least 1 cheater. lol
Why does PUBG not get some ADMINS in game, like RUST has!
I quit the game because of the cheaters. I really liked it.
It's a real shame. Is there no way for the system to detect that someone is doing something outside of the normal range established by the developers?
Fortnite sucks, too, but it's visually fun.
The game is 100% compromised by cheaters. It's asinine.
Id say at least 3-4 squads on console doing something fishy. I seen some console players with high of 40 kills in one game and 30+kds. It’s definitely an issue
Thats a joke in the oc servers every other person is using some sort of recoil cheat
Teamers and glitchers are the only cheats that get banned not aimbot or wallhack..
Uh dont forget the false banns that some players get from time to time. I myself got banned for accusing of hacking just bc the reports met a specific number. Yeah…bs, but i got my account back
A new pubg is 100% proof they don't care about anticheat at all, making money from a new pubg is what they are worried about.
@AverageSniper:
Pls stop talking good about this game and tell the truth that this game is since some months total bullshit. Mostly for beginners and middle skilled players. I am middle to high skilled players. Some year or more before I managed quite often to reach TOP10 at the end of game and several times I achieved the chicken dinner. But some months ago I stopped playing cause I wasn't achieving anything anymore!
The truth is: in EVERY ROUND there are now AT LEAST THREE CHEATERS! At EVERY ROUND! This is the sad truth! And mostly there are more cheaters!
Next truth: The developers give a shit. Even if they recognize a cheater they only ban him for ONE DAY. WTF? Is this a joke???! A ban should be FOREVER!
And I asume maybe the developers are even selling the cheats at some dark places on the internet making double amount of money!
They literally give a f***!
Tell the people the truth: They are wasting their time and life at this game!
This game is totally destroyed!
It is zero worth playing it! Maybe for some very high skilled players it makes sense but I have enough being sprayed with zero recoil from far distance me driving in a car!
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If cheating makes you mad, you are playing the wrong game. PUBG has long been and forever will be way easy too cheat if you want to. The foundation pubg was built on is very exploitable. i stopped getting mad about it a long time ago and just play casually.
And not to mention most of the bans are auto bans and are NOT being reviewed. Me and a friend i play with were both banned on separate occasions for catching too much air on the motorcycle, while both of us were not cheating at all.
I've been playing this game for 3 years and until the game became free I met at most 5 cheaters, now they are in every rink, they mostly have 50-300 (sometimes higher) bronze level and shooting at the level of professionals playing in this game since season 1, however, their movements and speed of picking up loot, their ability to pick are at the level of a child, they are always rats in houses and most often do not take any active actions in the game. There were also cheaters before, but there were very few of them.
i would say 6/10 games has one cheater
130-150k players banned every week nothing to see here.
I loved this game. Stopped playing it because of the cheating.
Its like you said average! Weve been playing long enough to know by sound, movements and lately the way they are against bots!! Totally different! Cheats dont work on bots and it shows!
They dont care and ive ran into some that know your watching and dance, shoot etc! Ive also witnessed players not looking at there surroundings and running straight towards the enemy's! Blatantly cheating.
Another 4 games in a row with cheaters
I reported 15 players for cheating yesterday and I got 15 reports of them being banned for cheating some got a Permanent ban but they were all had names like this 23108985472398483 so we know they have like 50 alt accounts.
There more people playing mobile than console and pc
チート使ってるゴミと、金使ってるゴミが同じ人間だからいなくならない。
いなくなったら、困るのはPUBGだから。
結局金儲けが大切みたいだね。
Okay, i got suspicion every 3rd match, and obvious cheater in every 6th. I reported barely 1 person on 5 matches (obvious cheating or in rage). I got 1 on my 20 report confirmed.
FPP squads EU
Also, 300mil players, means almost 10 mil cheaters based off their cheating. That's still bad knowing the daily active player base for console is less then a million
There are a number of YTers I honestly feel are cheating, and I would bet they don't get banned so it doesn't bring this issue to light.
They all got Chinese names. They need to keep their people on their own servers, sick of this shhht
I feel like pubg cheaters is getting worst in asia server 😢
pubg must be a good game, but players who use cheats ruin it...
Iies i reported at least 10 players every 2 hours and our of which 3 get banned permanently
Well, your critics are better than most I see, but you also seem to misunderstand a lot. What was the purpose to show the stats? Showing how the system improved, and they calculated it from ranked. Only 10% of the players report in that mode and if you think about this already, 0.33% seems to be plausible. All ranked matches in 30 days, how many reports, how many get banned, and you get the result you can compare later to see, has something improved or not. I don't say they did everything right, there are issue about how they explained it etc, but they didn't lie. The guy on Reddit, claimed something I've never heard, and I didn't find the claim, 300 million active players in that video, so please share me the source there so I can check. It could be just one of the bad misleading rumors the communities of games suffer a lot from.....
What many also forget is, 40% of all players don't play on Steam but KAKAO and they don't have a big cheating issue there because KAKAO has ID verification for players in Korea. Another important fact about how many active players etc because many just watch on Steam and think, that's it.
Sorry for my bad English; I hope I have made some important points.
Best regards!
😂😂😂😂In mobile.. Ive got 54 successfull report.. In just 4 months...
On console 50/50 chance they cheating if theyre GOLD rank or higher.