Literally only because of Hypnosis. Even in his video he covered why Poliwag was able to pull a Gastly/Mewtwo, and it's because of RNG. Gastly had Hypnosis too, but far better moves and stats. Gastly's Special is insane. Poliwag has Amnesia and is too frail to use it without a sleeping enemy.
I question if it's because of the general lack of physical attacking moves. Jrose didn't keep Take Down very long, instead keeping Hydro Pump nearly the entire game just "to be a stronger Surf," which greatly lowered his consistency due to Hydro Pump's 20% miss chance. Gyrados is rocking like 125 base attack. If he had access to a physical move like gen2+ Wing Attack to get STAB, this would've been another story I think. Instead, Gyrados, despite having near-legendary stat totals, relied on two of its weakest stats (speed, special) for the entire game. Likely, the only fix for this would have involved careful money planning and spamming Carbos/Calcium (or whatever: Speed/Special vitamins) in the right amounts.
@@valhapp Gyara's Special is 100 in Gen 1, so Hydro Pump w/ STAB is about the strongest move it can learn. Take Down also has 85 accuracy and deals 25% recoil, so it's hardly a worthwhile replacement besides dealing w/ a select few high special mons that aren't immune to it. Body Slam would've been decent if he went out of the way for the one battle it requires on S.S. Anne, but otherwise his best physical option was Strength that locks him into an HM move forever b/c of no move deleter in Gen 1.
In Firered, Even with a level 100 Blastoise, because of the Rare Candy Glitch, Agathas Haunter Wasted all of my power points because I stupidly Maded Blastoise Learn Earthquake Because I'm dumb. BUT Thank the lord, I beat Lance And by Rival
Going into koga already poisoned is actually brilliant. Now you can’t get hit by toxic and you remove your biggest source of danger in a single Pokémon run.
I think we all have a tier list of our TH-cam subscriptions for which videos to watch before other ones. You are without a doubt S tier. If there's a new video from every channel I subscribe to I'm watching you first. Love your vids, Jrose. Keep it up man.
@@gmenos6252 Pikasprey is infuriatingly dumb. Manly will often play the same games, but won't spend 40 minutes being confused and then angrily going "Oh, it's going to be one of THESE kinds of games!!!" Nothing wrong with being bad at games. Jrose, for example, is not the strongest Pokemon player (and even has said so himself), but he never comes across like he's blaming his mistakes or own shortcomings on "bad game design."
@SoraDonaldGoofy99 Gyrados doesn't have any level up moves. Forget good. He doesn't have any level up moves period. Especially in later gens where he has terrible special attack and learns no water moves.
Oak. "Couldnt you just use the same one, these machines dont grow ln trees, they're not baitballs. Do you realise how much all it costs the Kanto tax budget for useful science research Jrose! I mean, these arent calculators! Plus Blues ones."
Magikarp: Just wait you bullies I'm going to tell my older brother about you! Bully: Ha ha, if he's as pathetic as you we have nothing to worry about. Gyarados: Time to rampage on some fools.
These videos never get old, I think that's because you have a more "scientific" approach to the challenges trying to reduce the amount of luck or cheap strategies.
Tbh, some of the cheaper channels don't get old for me either. The reason I keep coming back here and not to other channels isn't that the scientific approach feels more redeeming/authentic/challenging, but that it's evidence that JRose doesn't just do the challenges because people like watching Pokemon being played, or even because he likes the challenge. He's also legitimately interested in the result, which is just a real breath of fresh air in a sea of streamers/TH-camrs who are in it mostly just to "be gamers in front of an audience". JRose likes playing because the games matter to him (be it because of their design or because of the nostalgia - same effect, ultimately), and that's beautiful.
In the description, "it's evolved form" should be _"its_ evolved form", with no apostrophe. (17:51) That's hilarious that Psywave can deal 0 damage to the player in Gen. 1. (18:26) Aw, but I love the Count impression. (32:44) Slam was not good... Wow, the game really trolled you there. I wonder how different the end of the video would've been if... either you didn't miss with Blizzard, or if that Slam didn't crit. Would Gyarados have successfully completed minimum battles? The world may never know. (39:49) And that's game!
i never drop everything im doing as fast as i do when i see youve uploaded. you know its gonna be a good day when jrose comes through with the 40 min video
@@isaacleillhikar4566 The reason he is is because of gen 1, they were originally going to make him water/dragon. The only issue with that is because a water/dragon Pokémon would have no weakness so they gave him flying to cause 4x weakness to electric to help keep this pseudo-legendary in check.
"There are still 6 extremely tough battles ramaining" I'm confused. You have a rival battle, Lorelei, Agatha, Lance, and the Champion Rival battle. Who's the sixth extremely tough battle?
Your vids have been a consistent highlight during the decade known as 2020. Always an amazing source of entertainment, and just interesting in general to see how you decide to tackle challenges like these!
I think Lapras has a good shot at outdoing Gyarados; you get pretty much the same movepool but with Body Slam naturally so you don't need to fight a trainer to get it and Sing, which alongside Lapras' much better HP and much lower Attack should make Lorelei and Agatha a lot more reasonable to beat at minimum battles. Plus STAB Blizzard is great too and could make OHKOing Venusaur possible. Lapras being even slower sucks, but the only threats in danger of out-speeding it that Gyarados outsped would be the other Gyarados and Dragonite, but looking up the stats it is possible for Lapras to outspeed them in the late 40s/early 50s as long as you have a good enough Speed DV and high Speed Stat EXP (so if you try Lapras, getting a max Speed DV and loading up on Carbos will be essential)
@@Acacius1992 Yeah Lapras should also be able to beat Lt. Surge immediately after the SS Anne at minimum battles, saving time on not having to backtrack later and getting Thunderbolt before Rock Tunnel, but that is probably offset by Gyarados being able to OHKO more pokemon early on.
I've tried Lapras myself with minimum battles and i'm now at the entrance to victory road and holy shit lapras is really good. The only time i actually struggled was when i had to fight either rival 2 or misty. I had to use bide to get past rival 5 because lapras only has water gun and growl (i believe it was growl lol but it was something pretty useless so i forgot) until it learns sing at lvl 16. after beating rival 2 i defeated all the mandatory trainers on the way to bill and leveled up enough to beat misty with bide. Then you get bubble beam and the run becomes a walk in the park, at least until elite 4 Edit: little update on this. I defeated final rival at lvl 49 but only because i got mad luck against his venusaur. Turn one venusaur outspeeds but goes for solar beam, i hit with blizzard and it is very close to ohk but i get a lucky freeze and am able to take it out in the next turn. I didn't even use any of the rare candies and the toughest battle was agatha because every single one of her pokemon outspeed me and psychic didn't one shot. My moveset was: Surf Blizzard Bodyslam (changed it to psychic before fighting agatha) Thunderbolt
@@stinky7018 Oh damn I forgot Lapras learns Psychic too, yeah that's another advantage it has over Gyarados to reduce the luck needed to beat Agatha. As for barely missing the OHKO on Venusaur at the end, perhaps as long as Lapras gets a high enough Special DV and it's loaded up with Calcium early, it could secure the OHKO. Alternatively, you go for Gen 1 strats and let the Rhydon Leer/Tail Whip you once or twice for a bit extra Special and Speed to outspeed and 100% OHKO the Venusaur (though that is if Lapras doesn't level up between Rhydon and Venusaur).
move pool in gen one will hurt Dragonite a lot at the start , warp is op but slow and its only attacking move till level 35 so grabbing tm's would be a must , and the slow level up group
@@Kaiser00Wilhelm Ironically, growlithe is probably faster than arcanine because arcanine doesn't learn any moves while growlithe can badge boost with agility and learns flamethrower at level 50. Still, both of them have a very shallow move pool.
Me and my girlfriend broke up 2 months ago, and I have been pretty depressed. Your vids have really helped keep me distracted and have made me laugh. Thanks alot man and keep it up :))
@@cam3626 thank you. People don't always realise how much of a difference a few words can make to someone with depression. I don't know what I'd do without the internet you lot are the best.
After watching just one of these challenges from boredom, I got hooked and have kept up with every single one. And even then, every single time I still love how you choose to use my personal favorite Pokemon game, Pokemon Conquest, and it's awesome soundtrack as the BGM.
I personally would have rather gone with Body Slam instead of Hydro Pump. It's great against Pokémon with low def but high special. Also the chance to paralyze against non-normals is very useful.
exactly. Physical moves may as well be an unofficial super effective move against Alakazam and other pokes. It's why I think Hypno is kinda underrated in gen 1 especially if you can't trade to get an Alakazam. He completely walls Alakazam and deals good damage against it with normal moves and a decent attack stat.
Skipping Body Slam and installing Thunderbolt right away were the two decisions that hurt this run. Just finished a Gyarados only run and Body Slam, Ice Beam, Surf and Hydro Pump gave just as good coverage. Installed Thunderbolt over ice beam for Lorelei and Blizzard over Hydro Pump for Lance. Didn't have nearly as much trouble.
Jrose, I would love to see how a run with a starter (but allowing it to evolve) compares. As in, how would Charizard compare (rather than just charmander). Or do you think it would not be close to that 3:30 category?
It has less stats than Gyarados and is probably going to have trouble vs Lorelei, Lance and the Rival's Blastiose due to having bad coverage (technically you could learn submission to be super effective vs ice type, but a non-resisted flamethrower/fire blast does similar damage without the recoil, so you'll probably be stuck using fly, earthquake, hyper beam and a fire move as damage moves; Actually probably not even hyper beam as it probably costs too many coins in the game corner when trying to do a fast run). It's probably not that bad as it does level faster than Gyarados, but it won't be that impressive, and its early game is very slow as with the Charmander due to exactly the me issues it had.
In standard "optimised" speed runs you can do blastoise or nidoking in sub two hours. Jrose is probably not aiming for that level of optimisation, but I think that's an indicator of how good some of them are. The speed run category does however use every trick in the book - including item use in battles.
@@Dragonoid269 it'll be better if he tries it in fire red or leaf green. Gen 1 mech kinda screws charizard a lot, especially the fact that it can't even resist ice. I don't see him getting past any of the elite 4.
I was thinking this as well. But given their mediocre Special Defense in Generation III, I think Surf would take care of them just fine. Earthquake would be more for Muk.
Why does this guy have a consistent upload schedule now? Wtf is happening in the world Edit: I love these new videos, they are really enjoyable to watch
When your rival sees that Gyarados every time y'all battle, it's probably a combination of wondering what the hell you're doing and rage quitting after getting 6-0ed every time.
Hey Jrose I'm a newer sub studying in university. I found your channel after using twitch plays pokemon as background noise and my intro to your commentary was the pidgy video! I gotta say man you're commentaries are elite and you're a legend. Would love to see more videos maybe even a full on playthrough. You're well spoken and honestly out of all of these gamer TH-camrs your voice is by far the most tolerable. Love the work. Keep it up bro
32:30 "and it doesn't flinch or get a critical hit" -- remember, Bite can't cause flinches! You learned that and taught it to us back in one of your other runs! Maybe Ekans?
That's so weird, I usually play your videos early moning while I'm waking up as they usually come out overnight/very early morning, and one of my first thoughts after I woke up this morning was "I haven't seen a jRose video in a while, I wonder if he had to slow down"
10:52 Gen 3: *arrives* Gyarados: "Hey, I can use earthquake! Yay! I will stop at nothing from now on!" Also Gen 3: *introduces abilities* Koga's Koffings and Weezing: "We're about to end this man's whole career."
You and I are so very different. As determined as you are, you're like a living example of why I always favor accuracy over power. Also why I don't typically fight anything 10 levels above me. And if anyone beats me even twice, I back out and try something different, even if it's just a few level ups. Of course, I'm not doing speed runs for a living... and it's weird to think a person who DOESN'T overlevel actually has more patience with the game than I do.
We've missed you dude. Thanks for the video. I suggest a "How Fast" video with all the OU staples like Snorlax, Tauros, Dragonite, Slowbro, Jynx, and Exeggutor
You said that Koga would be a breeze if this was Gen 3 and you could teach Gyarados Earthquake. But you forget that in Firered and Leafgreen, the Earthquake TM is given by Giovanni, who can't be battled until the other Gym Leaders have been defeated, including Koga.
I forgot this. Maybe he meant if Gyarados had the ability to learn Earthquake like in Generation III, though. Then he could still grab TM26 from the Silph Co. before Koga and use it top destroy him.
@@reddragonair3147wouldn't help as much as you'd think. koffing and wheezing both have levitate and muk is still a 2HKO (although I think muk is in healing range but I didn't do any damage calculations to confirm).
@@petelee2477 I see what you're saying. But my original reply was that JRose might have been talking about if Gyarados could learn Earthquake in Gen I like it could in Gen III, in which case Abilities still wouldn't exist yet. Now with this said, on reading these comments and reflecting, I doubt he was meaning it in the way I was suggesting. Which means the person I was replying to was right.
im subscribed to multiple channels across a various amount of topics, from hockey to yugioh, mma to pokemon, and your uploads are the ones i look forward too most! idk if this makes any sense but you're very engaging despite it being just you speaking. im just showing some love. here's to the next one!
The notification for these videos alone give me so much joy and relaxation after returning home. Thank you Jrose and keep up the quality (although I haven't even watched a full minute of this, but I can make a reasonable guess that this will make my afternoon 1000x better)
@@oliverleonard7730 yes it did. Went from 100 to 60. Given that most of its attacks use the special stat it would make the run a lot less easy until the gen where it gets physical stab moves.
Gyarados fan for 20 years now. Sorry, it really wouldn't. Gyarados is a nightmare to use in FRLG because it's so weak with any non-Hidden Power or Strength (since Return is one-time) move it learns. 60 SpA is really weak. Even Lickitung will hit harder.
I watch your videos all the time!! I even sleep to them like white noise when I'm tired!! I love the hard ones but these ones are fun to watch too! Love what you do keep it up!!!!
Think of it like this though. Moltres and I think Zapdos has so many issues with Brock they needed to level up early. Gyarados only needed two trainers like both of these guys so I think it's still in the same league as the birds. *gets to end of video* nevermind. I honestly never rated Gyarados because of that x4 times weakness to Electric types, but holy heck did it just steamroll the first half. I didn't realise just how crazy its stats were.
I just named both my Magikarp in my HGSS Prof Oak's Challenge and my Abra in my Emerald one "Rose" in honor of you, Jrose. Love the content and just your general good vibe. Keep rocking it, my dude. 🥂
I queue up your videos nightly as white noise to fall asleep. Not as a "these videos are boring", they're just soothing and easy to follow without watching. Some nice poke-ASMR ;)
In general solo runs always come down to speed. If your slower than your enemies you get hit more and have to sit through all their attacks. That is a killer to your in game time, basically doubling the length of every battle. Even if he never ran into trouble it's still be pretty slow due.
“If this was generation 3 (my favorite Gen btw), Gyarados would have access to Earthquake, and Koga would have been a breeze.” Giovanni gives you Earthquake in Gen 3, and Gyarados doesn’t learn it by level up or even breeding. Now correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t it be impossible to have Earthquake for Koga’s gym?
"Arbok lowers my Defense which luckily triggers the badge boost glitch."
>Levels up immediately after
It actually doesn't matter since the level up would bring back the badge boosts that were removed by haze!
@@Alex_Off-Beat "You may have outglitched me but I outglitched your outglitching!"
@@ZorotheGallade Yhwach VS Ichibee from Bleach in Pokemon form (or maybe Diavolo VS Giorno)
@@ZorotheGallade is that a motherfuckin jojo reference???
S❤÷😊😊😊😊wdo ❤go ssd 0e😊
"We are still at minimum battles heading to Lorelei."
[checks time (20:24/40:48)
O.O Oh.
I'll never get sick of these types of videos, especially for background noise while studying.
*Background poetry, excuse you.
I have it as background noise while playing games.
Same here
@@Thelivery I have it as background noise when playing Pokémon 😂
These videos will help me fall asleep. But then he just gets more views cuz I’ll come back to watch what I missed lol these are entertaining
Jrose: "Please no critical hit Hyper Beam"
Lance: "Ok." (Critical Hit Slam)
Lance has always been a troll
He was so close to a first try victory it is possible with minimum battles but it's not likely
You mean to tell me that Gyarados can’t do minimum battles, but freakin’ POLIWAG can?
Literally only because of Hypnosis. Even in his video he covered why Poliwag was able to pull a Gastly/Mewtwo, and it's because of RNG. Gastly had Hypnosis too, but far better moves and stats. Gastly's Special is insane. Poliwag has Amnesia and is too frail to use it without a sleeping enemy.
I question if it's because of the general lack of physical attacking moves. Jrose didn't keep Take Down very long, instead keeping Hydro Pump nearly the entire game just "to be a stronger Surf," which greatly lowered his consistency due to Hydro Pump's 20% miss chance. Gyrados is rocking like 125 base attack. If he had access to a physical move like gen2+ Wing Attack to get STAB, this would've been another story I think.
Instead, Gyrados, despite having near-legendary stat totals, relied on two of its weakest stats (speed, special) for the entire game. Likely, the only fix for this would have involved careful money planning and spamming Carbos/Calcium (or whatever: Speed/Special vitamins) in the right amounts.
@@valhapp Gyara's Special is 100 in Gen 1, so Hydro Pump w/ STAB is about the strongest move it can learn. Take Down also has 85 accuracy and deals 25% recoil, so it's hardly a worthwhile replacement besides dealing w/ a select few high special mons that aren't immune to it. Body Slam would've been decent if he went out of the way for the one battle it requires on S.S. Anne, but otherwise his best physical option was Strength that locks him into an HM move forever b/c of no move deleter in Gen 1.
It was a special poliwag.
@@valhapp Gen 1 Gyarados Special is 100. Weaker than it's ATK, but Not Weak
- Arrives at the E4 with 20 minutes of the video remaining
OH BOY TIME FOR AGATHA LOTTERY!
Gagné, Bingo, Gaining, Gengar
In Firered, Even with a level 100 Blastoise, because of the Rare Candy Glitch, Agathas Haunter Wasted all of my power points because I stupidly Maded Blastoise Learn Earthquake Because I'm dumb. BUT Thank the lord, I beat Lance And by Rival
Blaine: I am the fire type gym leader!
Jrose: Surfs up brah
BETTER HAVE BURN HEAL
TIP: Ohana means family.
Haha ^^
Going into koga already poisoned is actually brilliant. Now you can’t get hit by toxic and you remove your biggest source of danger in a single Pokémon run.
Its like how I was put into this world already suicidal
@@magusperde365you ok dude
@@magusperde365same here bro same here
I think we all have a tier list of our TH-cam subscriptions for which videos to watch before other ones. You are without a doubt S tier. If there's a new video from every channel I subscribe to I'm watching you first. Love your vids, Jrose. Keep it up man.
literally my favourite channel besides urban explorstion and some lifting channels lol
Him and pikaspray( not sure about the spelling) are my top priority
@@gmenos6252 Pikasprey is infuriatingly dumb. Manly will often play the same games, but won't spend 40 minutes being confused and then angrily going "Oh, it's going to be one of THESE kinds of games!!!" Nothing wrong with being bad at games. Jrose, for example, is not the strongest Pokemon player (and even has said so himself), but he never comes across like he's blaming his mistakes or own shortcomings on "bad game design."
Lol my Tier list mostly depends on what I get notifications for.
*Ahem* SS tier is what you meant
Next episode: “Hey guys welcome back to my 151 part series-“
lmao I love how in the first video he just casually mentioned "so today we're going to start our 53-part series" 😄
@@SpaceRaccoon22 Magikarp can't finish it because of Gen 1's Struggle being Normal. Gyarados has to take the reins.
Honestly I’d dig that
@@acumenium8157 can you not hit them after using the sylph scope?
@@fusionxtrasNo, because Ghost type is Immune to normal attack moves. Struggle is normal in gen1
Do Gengar next!!! That will give mewtwo a run for its money.
Was thinking that as well. If Gastly rivals Gyarados who was 'perhaps the best non-legendary', Gengar should outperform most.
Or Alakazam the strongest Non legendary "Op Type" in gen 1?
Oh yes please
Don’t do my buddy Haunter like this.
The only thing with Gengar is that I don’t think it learns many moves by level up so you have to rely mostly on TM’s
"Red paid an outrageous 500 for the magikarp"
Me: Laughs in Gyarados.
Really early Gyarados isn't bad, though, right?
@SoraDonaldGoofy99 Gyrados doesn't have any level up moves. Forget good. He doesn't have any level up moves period. Especially in later gens where he has terrible special attack and learns no water moves.
the JroseDex is coming along nicely
That should be the name of the playlist.
Gotta win with them all.
Oak. "Couldnt you just use the same one, these machines dont grow ln trees, they're not baitballs. Do you realise how much all it costs the Kanto tax budget for useful science research Jrose! I mean, these arent calculators! Plus Blues ones."
Magikarp: Just wait you bullies I'm going to tell my older brother about you!
Bully: Ha ha, if he's as pathetic as you we have nothing to worry about.
Gyarados: Time to rampage on some fools.
These videos never get old, I think that's because you have a more "scientific" approach to the challenges trying to reduce the amount of luck or cheap strategies.
Tbh, some of the cheaper channels don't get old for me either. The reason I keep coming back here and not to other channels isn't that the scientific approach feels more redeeming/authentic/challenging, but that it's evidence that JRose doesn't just do the challenges because people like watching Pokemon being played, or even because he likes the challenge. He's also legitimately interested in the result, which is just a real breath of fresh air in a sea of streamers/TH-camrs who are in it mostly just to "be gamers in front of an audience". JRose likes playing because the games matter to him (be it because of their design or because of the nostalgia - same effect, ultimately), and that's beautiful.
This is why I like Jrose cause he doesn't resort to RNG tactics like Double Team spam.
Remember that Magikarp from the other video? This is it now. Feel old yet?
Well now you probably feel even older, because this video is 1 year old now lol
At this rate, this 52 part series could turn into a 151 part series!
Love your videos, man.
Oh the irony
"i didnt want to waste 30 seconds to get one of the best early game moves" goes on to show why he should've wasted 30 seconds to grab that move...
one of these days you’re straight up gonna not mention bruno and i don’t think anyone will notice
I wish he were more challenging in this game.
@@j_c_93 For my solo Dratini/Dragonite Run,His Machamp Tanked one Surf.Wgat Did You do Today.
@@j_c_93 At least he ain't Giovanni!
_Laughs in Zapdos solo run_
I’ll notice, hearing jrose rag on bruno is my favorite part of these videos
In the description, "it's evolved form" should be _"its_ evolved form", with no apostrophe.
(17:51) That's hilarious that Psywave can deal 0 damage to the player in Gen. 1.
(18:26) Aw, but I love the Count impression.
(32:44) Slam was not good... Wow, the game really trolled you there. I wonder how different the end of the video would've been if... either you didn't miss with Blizzard, or if that Slam didn't crit. Would Gyarados have successfully completed minimum battles? The world may never know.
(39:49) And that's game!
He gave up on minimum battles way too easily. He literally only lost that fight because of some shit-ass luck with RNG.
i never drop everything im doing as fast as i do when i see youve uploaded. you know its gonna be a good day when jrose comes through with the 40 min video
You've done water onix, time to do the real onix.
You mean Rock-Gyarados?
@@clemensmartin1034 no he means baby Steelix
You mean the onix/ground type snake?
@@irfankhan-wl8nl rock ekans?
@@dahelmang Isn't it weak to the Salamence type?
Nice, didn't expect you to do evolutions, but since magikarp is actually impossible I see what you did there.
I wonder how well Dragon Rage Magikarp would do in Gen 1?
Gyarados can’t learn Earthquake, yet Machop a little child can. Makes sense.
He has to swim, and since its harder to cause tsunamis, I supose. Anyway, why is he flying type 🐲
@@isaacleillhikar4566 The reason he is is because of gen 1, they were originally going to make him water/dragon. The only issue with that is because a water/dragon Pokémon would have no weakness so they gave him flying to cause 4x weakness to electric to help keep this pseudo-legendary in check.
@@sethrice9406 Weack to bug type.
@@isaacleillhikar4566 Dragons are not weak to bug.
@@azh698 oh. I confused with psychic.
What's this!? TH-cam sending me a notification the second this was uploaded, I'm shocked. I look forward to watch it
"There are still 6 extremely tough battles ramaining"
I'm confused. You have a rival battle, Lorelei, Agatha, Lance, and the Champion Rival battle. Who's the sixth extremely tough battle?
@Pott Rott remember to press the A button enough times.
@@eevilito bruno being tough? that's a good joke 🤣
@Pott Rott lol touche
@@abigriffin9496 bruno did whopped his ass at least twice lol
that trainer with a Chansey in the Victory Road?
Your vids have been a consistent highlight during the decade known as 2020. Always an amazing source of entertainment, and just interesting in general to see how you decide to tackle challenges like these!
I think Lapras has a good shot at outdoing Gyarados; you get pretty much the same movepool but with Body Slam naturally so you don't need to fight a trainer to get it and Sing, which alongside Lapras' much better HP and much lower Attack should make Lorelei and Agatha a lot more reasonable to beat at minimum battles. Plus STAB Blizzard is great too and could make OHKOing Venusaur possible. Lapras being even slower sucks, but the only threats in danger of out-speeding it that Gyarados outsped would be the other Gyarados and Dragonite, but looking up the stats it is possible for Lapras to outspeed them in the late 40s/early 50s as long as you have a good enough Speed DV and high Speed Stat EXP (so if you try Lapras, getting a max Speed DV and loading up on Carbos will be essential)
Also not to mention, Lapras isn't 4 times weak against Electric attack
@@Acacius1992 Yeah Lapras should also be able to beat Lt. Surge immediately after the SS Anne at minimum battles, saving time on not having to backtrack later and getting Thunderbolt before Rock Tunnel, but that is probably offset by Gyarados being able to OHKO more pokemon early on.
@@OmegaTyrant the only thing that larpas could have a hard time is bruno even then larpas should be able to take care of bruno without any problems
I've tried Lapras myself with minimum battles and i'm now at the entrance to victory road and holy shit lapras is really good. The only time i actually struggled was when i had to fight either rival 2 or misty. I had to use bide to get past rival 5 because lapras only has water gun and growl (i believe it was growl lol but it was something pretty useless so i forgot) until it learns sing at lvl 16. after beating rival 2 i defeated all the mandatory trainers on the way to bill and leveled up enough to beat misty with bide. Then you get bubble beam and the run becomes a walk in the park, at least until elite 4
Edit: little update on this. I defeated final rival at lvl 49 but only because i got mad luck against his venusaur. Turn one venusaur outspeeds but goes for solar beam, i hit with blizzard and it is very close to ohk but i get a lucky freeze and am able to take it out in the next turn. I didn't even use any of the rare candies and the toughest battle was agatha because every single one of her pokemon outspeed me and psychic didn't one shot.
My moveset was:
Surf
Blizzard
Bodyslam (changed it to psychic before fighting agatha)
Thunderbolt
@@stinky7018 Oh damn I forgot Lapras learns Psychic too, yeah that's another advantage it has over Gyarados to reduce the luck needed to beat Agatha. As for barely missing the OHKO on Venusaur at the end, perhaps as long as Lapras gets a high enough Special DV and it's loaded up with Calcium early, it could secure the OHKO. Alternatively, you go for Gen 1 strats and let the Rhydon Leer/Tail Whip you once or twice for a bit extra Special and Speed to outspeed and 100% OHKO the Venusaur (though that is if Lapras doesn't level up between Rhydon and Venusaur).
Do you think you'd be interested in one of these "How Fast" runs with Dragonite? I'd like to see how a pseudo-legendary matches up.
move pool in gen one will hurt Dragonite a lot at the start , warp is op but slow and its only attacking move till level 35 so grabbing tm's would be a must , and the slow level up group
@@zacwicht3189 Oh shit, that sounds miserable
How about an actual "Legendary?"
Arcanine!
@@naphackDT I'd love to see that any day of the week
@@Kaiser00Wilhelm Ironically, growlithe is probably faster than arcanine because arcanine doesn't learn any moves while growlithe can badge boost with agility and learns flamethrower at level 50.
Still, both of them have a very shallow move pool.
Me and my girlfriend broke up 2 months ago, and I have been pretty depressed. Your vids have really helped keep me distracted and have made me laugh. Thanks alot man and keep it up :))
Chase excellence, not wahmans
Yay I was having a terrible day and my depression was hitting hard. This has cheered me up, thank you Jrose11
Hey buddy, hope you have better days to come. Depression / anxiety are awful, but you can get through it! Just do things you can enjoy.
Head up dude stay strong
Thank you both, honestly helps a lot.
You matter
@@cam3626 thank you. People don't always realise how much of a difference a few words can make to someone with depression. I don't know what I'd do without the internet you lot are the best.
After watching just one of these challenges from boredom, I got hooked and have kept up with every single one. And even then, every single time I still love how you choose to use my personal favorite Pokemon game, Pokemon Conquest, and it's awesome soundtrack as the BGM.
Slowbro using a useless move against Gyrados: Yeah this is big brain time.
I DEMAND the count dracula impression. How can you do this to me? (Thanks for the video, though
Not Count Dracula, Count Von Count from Sesame Street. He Counts. And he's the Count
@@hypersonicspeedgrov Ah didn't know his name is actually Count van Count...only know his german name which translates into exactly that x)
@@funcrank8997 ahh ok
“As I battled Lorelei again” with the same Lv44 Gyarados as the first time.
Gyarados: "I fear now move, but that thing....
*Thunderbolt noises*
Gyarados: "It scares me."
And what do u expect?.. a water flying type having x4 resistance to electric moves?.. dumbass
@@baradashankarnayak9481 that's the joke...
I personally would have rather gone with Body Slam instead of Hydro Pump. It's great against Pokémon with low def but high special. Also the chance to paralyze against non-normals is very useful.
exactly. Physical moves may as well be an unofficial super effective move against Alakazam and other pokes. It's why I think Hypno is kinda underrated in gen 1 especially if you can't trade to get an Alakazam. He completely walls Alakazam and deals good damage against it with normal moves and a decent attack stat.
But Agatha tho
The man, the legend is back with another quality video. And boy, I really can't get tired of these, such high effort and fun.
Thank you, just what was needed after a long night after work. Much love Jrose 🖤
Jrose: Doesn't get Body Slam for once
Also Jrose: I can't knock out these Drowzee!
Skipping Body Slam and installing Thunderbolt right away were the two decisions that hurt this run. Just finished a Gyarados only run and Body Slam, Ice Beam, Surf and Hydro Pump gave just as good coverage. Installed Thunderbolt over ice beam for Lorelei and Blizzard over Hydro Pump for Lance. Didn't have nearly as much trouble.
Love your content, JRose! You're a huge inspiration to smaller Poketubers like myself, keep up the great work!
Just don't refer to yourself as a 'poketuber' It's so cringy.
@@jaymz6473 Uh...Pokemon...content...creator?
Jrose, I would love to see how a run with a starter (but allowing it to evolve) compares. As in, how would Charizard compare (rather than just charmander). Or do you think it would not be close to that 3:30 category?
It has less stats than Gyarados and is probably going to have trouble vs Lorelei, Lance and the Rival's Blastiose due to having bad coverage (technically you could learn submission to be super effective vs ice type, but a non-resisted flamethrower/fire blast does similar damage without the recoil, so you'll probably be stuck using fly, earthquake, hyper beam and a fire move as damage moves; Actually probably not even hyper beam as it probably costs too many coins in the game corner when trying to do a fast run). It's probably not that bad as it does level faster than Gyarados, but it won't be that impressive, and its early game is very slow as with the Charmander due to exactly the me issues it had.
In standard "optimised" speed runs you can do blastoise or nidoking in sub two hours.
Jrose is probably not aiming for that level of optimisation, but I think that's an indicator of how good some of them are. The speed run category does however use every trick in the book - including item use in battles.
@@Dragonoid269 it'll be better if he tries it in fire red or leaf green. Gen 1 mech kinda screws charizard a lot, especially the fact that it can't even resist ice. I don't see him getting past any of the elite 4.
This colour palette is like oversaturated lol
I kinda like it
I hate it lol
Technically, in Gen 3, the Koffing and Wheezing would have levitate, so earthquake wouldn't help out too much
I was thinking this as well. But given their mediocre Special Defense in Generation III, I think Surf would take care of them just fine. Earthquake would be more for Muk.
But gyarodos’s special attack attack would also be lower
Why does this guy have a consistent upload schedule now? Wtf is happening in the world
Edit: I love these new videos, they are really enjoyable to watch
2020 has its pros and cons! Haha
Apart from pandemic quarantine?😂
Quarantine does things to people.
I first started this series with MewTwo and now I can't stop watching. This man's content is underrated.
Yes
It explains why gyarados has hydro pump in the pika cup
When your rival sees that Gyarados every time y'all battle, it's probably a combination of wondering what the hell you're doing and rage quitting after getting 6-0ed every time.
Yo Jrose, congrats on the shoutout from SethEverman on his latest Q&A!
Hey Jrose I'm a newer sub studying in university. I found your channel after using twitch plays pokemon as background noise and my intro to your commentary was the pidgy video! I gotta say man you're commentaries are elite and you're a legend. Would love to see more videos maybe even a full on playthrough. You're well spoken and honestly out of all of these gamer TH-camrs your voice is by far the most tolerable. Love the work. Keep it up bro
32:30 "and it doesn't flinch or get a critical hit" -- remember, Bite can't cause flinches! You learned that and taught it to us back in one of your other runs! Maybe Ekans?
Yo Jrose, you just got called out by Seth Everman, he said he loves your stuff
That's so weird, I usually play your videos early moning while I'm waking up as they usually come out overnight/very early morning, and one of my first thoughts after I woke up this morning was "I haven't seen a jRose video in a while, I wonder if he had to slow down"
You're such a likeable guy. Love your challenge videos. The superb commentary makes it so engaging and fun to follow.
Never clicked a notification faster than I clicked this
Same
@@TheStarswearee Same, i have completed the half vid now. Man Gyarados is slow
I save Jrose’s videos for later. Just got to this one 2 and a half months after it was uploaded
The Magikarp family needed a representation for the list, the way I see it.
The pokemon conquest soundtrack in the back really hits home
Typo in the title: It should say "How Fast can you beat Pokemon Red/Blue with just a water Onix"
It's actually a common misconception...it's written as 'gyarados' but it's pronunciation is 'water onix' . Many people get it mixed up
He also didn’t tell us what fossil he took smh
@@loganmoreau7569 He ain't mahdrybread.
that's the joke
10:52
Gen 3: *arrives*
Gyarados: "Hey, I can use earthquake! Yay! I will stop at nothing from now on!"
Also Gen 3: *introduces abilities*
Koga's Koffings and Weezing: "We're about to end this man's whole career."
You and I are so very different.
As determined as you are, you're like a living example of why I always favor accuracy over power.
Also why I don't typically fight anything 10 levels above me.
And if anyone beats me even twice, I back out and try something different, even if it's just a few level ups.
Of course, I'm not doing speed runs for a living... and it's weird to think a person who DOESN'T overlevel actually has more patience with the game than I do.
You know what would be pretty epic? If you did my favorite, Seel next. Why is Seel my favorite?
*I just think it’s neat*
We've missed you dude. Thanks for the video. I suggest a "How Fast" video with all the OU staples like Snorlax, Tauros, Dragonite, Slowbro, Jynx, and Exeggutor
to me this just proves how valuable gen 4's physical/special split was.
Hey homie, if you’re worried if the videos are still interesting, I’m just regular guy and I watch em all the way through. Keep up the great work! 😊
You said that Koga would be a breeze if this was Gen 3 and you could teach Gyarados Earthquake. But you forget that in Firered and Leafgreen, the Earthquake TM is given by Giovanni, who can't be battled until the other Gym Leaders have been defeated, including Koga.
I forgot this. Maybe he meant if Gyarados had the ability to learn Earthquake like in Generation III, though. Then he could still grab TM26 from the Silph Co. before Koga and use it top destroy him.
@@reddragonair3147wouldn't help as much as you'd think. koffing and wheezing both have levitate and muk is still a 2HKO (although I think muk is in healing range but I didn't do any damage calculations to confirm).
@@petelee2477 But that's in Gen III. This would be in Gen I still, where Abilities don't exist yet.
@@reddragonair3147 I was assuming since we were talking about gen 3 move sets we'd go by gen 3 mechanics.
@@petelee2477 I see what you're saying. But my original reply was that JRose might have been talking about if Gyarados could learn Earthquake in Gen I like it could in Gen III, in which case Abilities still wouldn't exist yet.
Now with this said, on reading these comments and reflecting, I doubt he was meaning it in the way I was suggesting. Which means the person I was replying to was right.
This is the video I needed after a 12 hour shift and Gyarados is my favorite so happy to see this
You and pikasprey just got a shoutout by seth everyman and i find that slightly amazing
Neat, I love super detailed nerdy explanations like these videos. :D Glad Seth bumped me here!
Still waiting for my Sandshrew and Starmie. :3
im subscribed to multiple channels across a various amount of topics, from hockey to yugioh, mma to pokemon, and your uploads are the ones i look forward too most! idk if this makes any sense but you're very engaging despite it being just you speaking. im just showing some love. here's to the next one!
Me when Jrose didn’t do the count impression: :(
Same
Also same XD
Always love your videos Jrose and thanks for not running jokes into the ground :P
truly is unfortunate for Gyarados to choke at the final stretch. Still its my favourite water-type
so dope that Seth gave you a shoutout,you most definitely deserved it
Thanks Seth for showing me this pretty fire channel
The notification for these videos alone give me so much joy and relaxation after returning home. Thank you Jrose and keep up the quality (although I haven't even watched a full minute of this, but I can make a reasonable guess that this will make my afternoon 1000x better)
Imagine if there was a special split in this gen. Gyrados would still be fantastic
I though it's Special Attack got lowered?
@@oliverleonard7730 yes it did. Went from 100 to 60. Given that most of its attacks use the special stat it would make the run a lot less easy until the gen where it gets physical stab moves.
It would have no good STABs, so really not great.
Actually worst
Gyarados fan for 20 years now. Sorry, it really wouldn't. Gyarados is a nightmare to use in FRLG because it's so weak with any non-Hidden Power or Strength (since Return is one-time) move it learns. 60 SpA is really weak. Even Lickitung will hit harder.
I watch your videos all the time!! I even sleep to them like white noise when I'm tired!! I love the hard ones but these ones are fun to watch too! Love what you do keep it up!!!!
Think of it like this though. Moltres and I think Zapdos has so many issues with Brock they needed to level up early. Gyarados only needed two trainers like both of these guys so I think it's still in the same league as the birds.
*gets to end of video* nevermind. I honestly never rated Gyarados because of that x4 times weakness to Electric types, but holy heck did it just steamroll the first half. I didn't realise just how crazy its stats were.
I just named both my Magikarp in my HGSS Prof Oak's Challenge and my Abra in my Emerald one "Rose" in honor of you, Jrose. Love the content and just your general good vibe. Keep rocking it, my dude. 🥂
Hey wait, that’s not unevolved! I’m fining you P1,000,000!
I queue up your videos nightly as white noise to fall asleep. Not as a "these videos are boring", they're just soothing and easy to follow without watching. Some nice poke-ASMR ;)
I'd love to see a haunter and Gengar video because of how well Gastly did I suspect they could be just as good if not better than the legendaries
It's weird how excited I get when I see your thumbnails in my sub box. It's irrational, but I ain't apologizing for it. Love these vids.
you should remake this video, several bad decisions led to a deceivingly bad final time for gyarados
Big dawg jrose be makin bank off of me sleeping to essentially his entire library of uploads 😂
I just started watching and L.T. Surge popped into my mind...
Was waiting for the next video! Rewatched some older videos last night getting stoked for the next video.
Clap for a great TH-camr what I subscribe to
He said "Hydro-beam" once. Its caught me by surprise.
In general solo runs always come down to speed. If your slower than your enemies you get hit more and have to sit through all their attacks. That is a killer to your in game time, basically doubling the length of every battle. Even if he never ran into trouble it's still be pretty slow due.
you know when over half the video is just 5 major battles it'll be good
Alakazam, Gengar or Dragonite might come close in the late game.
Kadabra would still do well.
Alakazam next would be fun to watch.
Everybody gansta 'till Jrose gets to the Elite 4 and half the video is still left
"I always consider late game more important than early game"
*Looks at Abra*
I watch these vids when i get ready for work throughout the week, definitely makes the mornings better. Love U
“If this was generation 3 (my favorite Gen btw), Gyarados would have access to Earthquake, and Koga would have been a breeze.”
Giovanni gives you Earthquake in Gen 3, and Gyarados doesn’t learn it by level up or even breeding. Now correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t it be impossible to have Earthquake for Koga’s gym?
I found your channel randomly and now I cant stop watching your speed/challenge runs
Sometimes I'm curious which fossil he takes, luckily I saw that he took the helix fossil!
@@NeZCheese Otherwise he would clearly choose the superior dome fossil
@@Acacius1992 Eh, they're both utter garbage
@@spicybreadproductions1972 Well... true.
At least Kabuto didnt became a meme that is overused as hell.
@@TogashiJack that 'might' be true. I waited for him to say 'water-onix' so that I could write a MDB reference.