And that's perfectly ok! My issue is the fact that this casual system (progression) is being forced on private lobbies/competitive players; which not only ruins competitive integrity, but also forces pros to stomp and ruin new players' experiences. I want everyone to enjoy this game!
i haven't played vail since launch but i feel like this could work with the right tweaks. call of duty has a massive competitive scene and all of the guns are progression locked
Not being able to play a single Artifact match without people leaving or the game itself adding a 6th member to a team, it's another reason why I cannot believe they want this game to be competitive. Scrims shouldn't be the only way to play the gamemode where you compete
I just got the game, My first match i played against A professional EU player who destroyed me and my team. I love this game but the skill celling is wild.
Unlocking overtime gives new players time to practice with all of the guns before unlocking the next. Plus, you should take time to practice before you turn to competitive play. ALSO, there is no competitive mode yet, only regulated and planned tournaments are basically the only competitive play you can get as of rn (except customs). I personally like the progression system, and I think games that don't have them die out a lot quicker than others. Although I do think that customs should allow all weapons to be unlocked.
Unlocking guns isn't the entire issue though; a casual grind is fine - the issue comes when you force your already existing (mostly competitive) player base to grind and ruin new players' experiences in order to be prepared for tournament games, since in private/custom games, guns are not automatically unlocked. Forcing pros to grind the game in a way they don't normally not only kills enjoyment and competitive integrity, but ruins your possible player numbers because people quit after being stomped into the ground.
the vail leveling system is so annoying I think having credits to unlock guns is a really good way to make getting guns not be such a hard grind especially if you can't spend a lot of time or have problems in your life pop up so you can't play it'd be such a nice thing I think you should be able to use gel to buy weapons I had to grind for near two weeks of no lifing vail to get the gun I wanted
if you want to compete with the weapon you like just play more until unlocking it, you said it yourself, it can take CASUAL players a lot of time to unlock everything, while people who play often are waiting for the prestige update cause they already unlocked everything. also, this is clearly the wrong way to start your channel if you want to do VAIL content, your position is snarky at best, and entitled beyond belief at that.
The leveling system is one of my favorite parts of the game since it’s been missing in other VR shooters like Pavlov and Contractors. I do strongly agree tho we need better custom lobbys with complete class unlock to balance out the competitive and casual side.
You sound like a liar XD The ONLY time the unlocks wouldnt make sense is for an account at VRML, and if your account hasn’t gotten to the point that you have everything unlocked You aren’t ready for VRML And as far as PUBs go, you arent getting a real comp match, ever. You need scrims for that And scrims are for actual competition, in which you wont be ready for until after you’ve played long enough to unlock everything I know this for two reasons I participated in league scrims (no team, did build a team but disbanded after all but one player ran into issues in life) And two, even with as much playtime and experience I have, and topping every single lobby, whenever I run into a VRML player that gets even remotely close to finals, theyre just wizards of combat. If I didnt know any better, id think they are cheating. So youre take, sadly, is garbage. The leveling system is to give incentive to casuals to keep playing, and is also good for keeping (no disrespect) garbage off the league pool
You invalidated your entire argument by saying "And two, even with as much playtime and experience I have, and topping every single lobby, whenever I run into a VRML player that gets even remotely close to finals, theyre just wizards of combat. If I didnt know any better, id think they are cheating." The fact that comp players have to run lobbies in order to use games in customs and be rewarded for playing the game ruins the new player experience. This will only happen more as more prestiges are added. Thanks for your take though, I'd love to know what team you were on, or about your experience scrimming.
@@vahvonvr the league players stick to scrims as much as they can. If anything, bot having a ranked playlist is ruining the league players experience as the only option they have without a scrim is to drop into pubs where they either naturally destroy the lobby (unless their just chilling) or cant get practice in. As far as the new player experience goes, its perfectly fine. The players are learning the maps, learning the mechanics, learning team play etc. i haven’t run into a single player that cares about the progression system keeping them from getting guns, not to mention, the progression system elevates the factor of burnout. I will say, i think leveling does take too long, but not by much. Ive barely touched the game since this update as my tracking was messed up, but I fixed it, and Im already level 50 If you ask me, they should add an XP cat for headshots, and bump up the match outcome XP just a little.
First: Ranked is not feasible, there is not enough of a player base for matches (see: Toro's analysis of Vail ranked player numbers in the VAIL Discord) Second: The new player experience may be "perfectly fine" in your eyes, but there's no tutorial and no real way to learn anything in the game (but this is a whole different issue that isn't the point of this video) Third: leveling after 15 exponentially becomes more difficult, and ranked/high-level players don't want to waste 10-12 hours (minimum) of their life dealing with screaming children and a generally terrible experience where you can't choose what game modes you enjoy
@@vahvonvr ranked can work, it would just be long queues which to be honest every ranked game has that these days There are a LOT of pro level players playing daily A tutorial isn’t really necessary for a game so simple, they could probably put a banner in the HUB that links to their tutorials and walk throughs on youtube That third statement just circles back to the idea of the ranked mode.
brother, as a comp player whos played COD MLG for years. i like the fact that you have to unlock the guns and dont just get everything at once. if you want everything at once and to just go shred on kids go play contractors. this game is imperfectly perfect the way it is. theres nothing wrong with the progression
Brother this isnt contractors either, i agree if they add an actual ranked playlist? then yeah have all weapons and attachments unlocked "that are allowed in game that the league approves" but for pub matchmaking? for the casual gamer? unlocking weapons and leveling up gives the game a purpose. @@vahvonvr
@@pixel_eyezd3805 Imagine if in CS2 valve would have made it so you have to unlock your guns. Sure it doesn't "overwhelm" new players, but that's not the point of a frickin COMPETITIVE SHOOTER. Players that truly enjoy the game can try all the guns on their own and see what they like, but forcing them out with a level barrier that could take weeks to unlock... had any flat screen game done it would have received a ton of backlash. if what you're thinking is "Well but flat screen shooters have a lot more players, VR games have less players so they need to be more engaging for newcomers" then that's a valid point, but I think it's the other way around, vail can GET AWAY with this BECAUSE it's a VR game.
This is exactly what i said to the devs I told em to not lock the guns but they seemed so eager to do it. And as far as i know, they arent unlocked in privates (i dont play privates much so)
I think what they should do is introduce the Titanfall 2 method of handling unlocks. VAIL and Titanfall 2 are identical in how you unlock things, get something every time you level up, get to level 50, prestige, repeat. Along the way, you earn a currency you can use to buy weapon camos and player skins. However, in Titanfall, what you can do is use that same currency to *buy* guns, that way, you don't have to grind to unlock them, and you can retain access to them after you prestige. Titanfall 2 is one of the greatest shooters of this century so far (top 5 at the absolute minimum) and i think VAIL could definitely benefit from copying this mechanic.
The progression system is gonna keep people playing without getting bored and yes they want to be competetive but there isnt even comp matchmaking yet so the progression hardly matters
That's entirely false. Just because there's no "ranked" mode doesn't mean this. There have been $35,000 tournaments for VAIL, and there are quite literally 3 tournaments currently ongoing over the next 3 months. This is a major issue. It is actively affecting the community, and pros are being forced to stomp and ruin new players' experiences, not only harming the games reputation, but ruining the game for competitive players as well.
You've seen the proof in discussion channels in Discord, don't turn a blind eye just because it's not in the video. I will gladly link every comment that I have repeatedly been mentioning and sharing in the public Discord.
Never seen a more wrong opinion on a progressive system 😂 most of the pro esport players for vail use the m4 which is the first gun you get anyway and real cod comp players understand that the old progressive level system was some of the best parts of the game
I absolutely LOVE the unlock system
And that's perfectly ok! My issue is the fact that this casual system (progression) is being forced on private lobbies/competitive players; which not only ruins competitive integrity, but also forces pros to stomp and ruin new players' experiences. I want everyone to enjoy this game!
@@vahvonvr yeah… I could see an argument for opening up the guns in private mode, while allowing them to maintain the lvling system in matchmaking
@@vahvonvr the biggest and easiest way to mitigate pub stompers.
Like cod lobbys of old
same people but scrambles teams
i haven't played vail since launch but i feel like this could work with the right tweaks. call of duty has a massive competitive scene and all of the guns are progression locked
I definitely don't hate this progression system; it just is not implemented/executed properly in this case. I agree
Not being able to play a single Artifact match without people leaving or the game itself adding a 6th member to a team, it's another reason why I cannot believe they want this game to be competitive.
Scrims shouldn't be the only way to play the gamemode where you compete
I just got the game, My first match i played against A professional EU player who destroyed me and my team. I love this game but the skill celling is wild.
When is the next video coming out?
Soon, I'm a busy uni student and waiting for an interview for the next upload!
Can we talk about the audio and pushing major updates before big tournament weekends??
THIS MAN IS SO UNDERRATED
Unlocking overtime gives new players time to practice with all of the guns before unlocking the next. Plus, you should take time to practice before you turn to competitive play. ALSO, there is no competitive mode yet, only regulated and planned tournaments are basically the only competitive play you can get as of rn (except customs). I personally like the progression system, and I think games that don't have them die out a lot quicker than others. Although I do think that customs should allow all weapons to be unlocked.
Unlocking guns isn't the entire issue though; a casual grind is fine - the issue comes when you force your already existing (mostly competitive) player base to grind and ruin new players' experiences in order to be prepared for tournament games, since in private/custom games, guns are not automatically unlocked. Forcing pros to grind the game in a way they don't normally not only kills enjoyment and competitive integrity, but ruins your possible player numbers because people quit after being stomped into the ground.
@@vahvonvr That's why they need to fix customs
agreed@@squee06_
Why did he say he was going to post vail content and then not post anything after this video
the vail leveling system is so annoying I think having credits to unlock guns is a really good way to make getting guns not be such a hard grind especially if you can't spend a lot of time or have problems in your life pop up so you can't play it'd be such a nice thing I think you should be able to use gel to buy weapons I had to grind for near two weeks of no lifing vail to get the gun I wanted
3:02 classic!
Devs cant take constructive criticism
wtf I thought you would have a ton of subscribers, well you have one more
great video i want more!
Bruh just make all of them weapons available in competitive
That's all I want 😔 but they refuse
fr@@vahvonvr
The old saying stays true, "GET GOOD!"
I got a vr and vail recently and holy shid I’m getting trucked by wizard lizards in this damn game
if you want to compete with the weapon you like just play more until unlocking it, you said it yourself, it can take CASUAL players a lot of time to unlock everything, while people who play often are waiting for the prestige update cause they already unlocked everything.
also, this is clearly the wrong way to start your channel if you want to do VAIL content, your position is snarky at best, and entitled beyond belief at that.
i think the problem can be fixed by adding a skill based matchmaking keeps super skilled players away from the new players
game is too small for SBMM sadly.
The leveling system is one of my favorite parts of the game since it’s been missing in other VR shooters like Pavlov and Contractors. I do strongly agree tho we need better custom lobbys with complete class unlock to balance out the competitive and casual side.
You sound like a liar XD
The ONLY time the unlocks wouldnt make sense is for an account at VRML, and if your account hasn’t gotten to the point that you have everything unlocked
You aren’t ready for VRML
And as far as PUBs go, you arent getting a real comp match, ever. You need scrims for that
And scrims are for actual competition, in which you wont be ready for until after you’ve played long enough to unlock everything
I know this for two reasons
I participated in league scrims (no team, did build a team but disbanded after all but one player ran into issues in life)
And two, even with as much playtime and experience I have, and topping every single lobby, whenever I run into a VRML player that gets even remotely close to finals, theyre just wizards of combat. If I didnt know any better, id think they are cheating.
So youre take, sadly, is garbage. The leveling system is to give incentive to casuals to keep playing, and is also good for keeping (no disrespect) garbage off the league pool
You invalidated your entire argument by saying "And two, even with as much playtime and experience I have, and topping every single lobby, whenever I run into a VRML player that gets even remotely close to finals, theyre just wizards of combat. If I didnt know any better, id think they are cheating." The fact that comp players have to run lobbies in order to use games in customs and be rewarded for playing the game ruins the new player experience. This will only happen more as more prestiges are added. Thanks for your take though, I'd love to know what team you were on, or about your experience scrimming.
@@vahvonvr the league players stick to scrims as much as they can. If anything, bot having a ranked playlist is ruining the league players experience as the only option they have without a scrim is to drop into pubs where they either naturally destroy the lobby (unless their just chilling) or cant get practice in.
As far as the new player experience goes, its perfectly fine. The players are learning the maps, learning the mechanics, learning team play etc. i haven’t run into a single player that cares about the progression system keeping them from getting guns, not to mention, the progression system elevates the factor of burnout.
I will say, i think leveling does take too long, but not by much. Ive barely touched the game since this update as my tracking was messed up, but I fixed it, and Im already level 50
If you ask me, they should add an XP cat for headshots, and bump up the match outcome XP just a little.
First: Ranked is not feasible, there is not enough of a player base for matches (see: Toro's analysis of Vail ranked player numbers in the VAIL Discord)
Second: The new player experience may be "perfectly fine" in your eyes, but there's no tutorial and no real way to learn anything in the game (but this is a whole different issue that isn't the point of this video)
Third: leveling after 15 exponentially becomes more difficult, and ranked/high-level players don't want to waste 10-12 hours (minimum) of their life dealing with screaming children and a generally terrible experience where you can't choose what game modes you enjoy
@@vahvonvr ranked can work, it would just be long queues which to be honest every ranked game has that these days
There are a LOT of pro level players playing daily
A tutorial isn’t really necessary for a game so simple, they could probably put a banner in the HUB that links to their tutorials and walk throughs on youtube
That third statement just circles back to the idea of the ranked mode.
Only 10 subs??? How???
VR content is kind of niche, not the easiest thing to get big off of
brother, as a comp player whos played COD MLG for years. i like the fact that you have to unlock the guns and dont just get everything at once. if you want everything at once and to just go shred on kids go play contractors. this game is imperfectly perfect the way it is. theres nothing wrong with the progression
This isn't COD. Stop trying to make this game COD.
Brother this isnt contractors either, i agree if they add an actual ranked playlist? then yeah have all weapons and attachments unlocked "that are allowed in game that the league approves"
but for pub matchmaking? for the casual gamer? unlocking weapons and leveling up gives the game a purpose.
@@vahvonvr
I agree. I also think that it helps not overwhelm the players right from the get go.
@@pixel_eyezd3805
Imagine if in CS2 valve would have made it so you have to unlock your guns. Sure it doesn't "overwhelm" new players, but that's not the point of a frickin COMPETITIVE SHOOTER. Players that truly enjoy the game can try all the guns on their own and see what they like, but forcing them out with a level barrier that could take weeks to unlock... had any flat screen game done it would have received a ton of backlash. if what you're thinking is "Well but flat screen shooters have a lot more players, VR games have less players so they need to be more engaging for newcomers" then that's a valid point, but I think it's the other way around, vail can GET AWAY with this BECAUSE it's a VR game.
@@vahvonvrhe never said it was
This is exactly what i said to the devs
I told em to not lock the guns but they seemed so eager to do it. And as far as i know, they arent unlocked in privates (i dont play privates much so)
I think what they should do is introduce the Titanfall 2 method of handling unlocks. VAIL and Titanfall 2 are identical in how you unlock things, get something every time you level up, get to level 50, prestige, repeat. Along the way, you earn a currency you can use to buy weapon camos and player skins. However, in Titanfall, what you can do is use that same currency to *buy* guns, that way, you don't have to grind to unlock them, and you can retain access to them after you prestige. Titanfall 2 is one of the greatest shooters of this century so far (top 5 at the absolute minimum) and i think VAIL could definitely benefit from copying this mechanic.
Nice vid
i think competitive matchmaking that unlocks all weapons and attatchments would just fix all of this
exactly! but they refuse to do this.
They need to make the Gels work to purchase guns earlier, that way the comp players can buy the 3-4 guns they need by level 10 or so
The progression system is gonna keep people playing without getting bored and yes they want to be competetive but there isnt even comp matchmaking yet so the progression hardly matters
That's entirely false. Just because there's no "ranked" mode doesn't mean this. There have been $35,000 tournaments for VAIL, and there are quite literally 3 tournaments currently ongoing over the next 3 months. This is a major issue. It is actively affecting the community, and pros are being forced to stomp and ruin new players' experiences, not only harming the games reputation, but ruining the game for competitive players as well.
How do you only have 35 subs? If this is your first video, you knocked it out of this solar system.
Appreciated! I've done TH-cam in the past, but not too seriously. This is my first serious after a few years of messing around.
On the investors section, there has been zero confirmation that they made progression in sake of investors.
You've seen the proof in discussion channels in Discord, don't turn a blind eye just because it's not in the video. I will gladly link every comment that I have repeatedly been mentioning and sharing in the public Discord.
Never seen a more wrong opinion on a progressive system 😂 most of the pro esport players for vail use the m4 which is the first gun you get anyway and real cod comp players understand that the old progressive level system was some of the best parts of the game
And you're trying to say that you will want to force this game to not exist forever simply because of this? Cause it sounds like you are!