4. Didn't beat either of the Big scalps (ABs or SA), lost to a so called weak Australia and then had to play a full strength team against japan to save face. Baffling selections and omissions didn't help either
Will Stuart has been a MASSIVE positive this autumn. As the series has progressed the defensive system and England being unable to close out games have become the talking points. But pre New Zealand the big question mark was tighthead. The fact that Opoku-Fordjour has now been capped is a huge plus in the tighthead position. Well done gents.
6/10. Should have beaten All.Blacks. Fronted up well to Boks. Basics failed against Aus. Did the job vs Japan. Downsides: didn't blood the players we could have (not seen Hill, enough of Fin Smith, Asher should have come in at the start and no Cole). Too many players that won't be best players in their position in world. Slade, Earl at 8, JvP (Spencer treated harshly), Isekwie, Ewels, Davidson (why bring him if not to play?), But we will stick with Borthwick through 6 Nations and ultimately, the aim should be to create a stable roster of bench players who will energise and improve side. Just do what we all want and utilise U20 players. They have no fear and they play to the line and very quickly.
Agree on all of your points though with that fixture list we needed to have continuity of selection to get some wins.So many players still with few caps , so Bortwick had his hands tied in looking at new players. Would myself have started Baxter Cowan-dickie and Fordjour yesterday but least they have now been in camp a while and that’s important.
@@kev63inuk I suppose a national head coach nevers moves as quickly as we would like! I think the England men's football team is a good example of how to approach it. I'm excited by the U20s mentality. They clearly have a mindset to dominate and win at all costs, in addition to obvious talent. It's all in the head, and making the right decisions under pressure. I associate this team right now with knocking on in crucial plays, not securing ball properly in scrums and mauls, and miss-tackles due to playing system over instinct. It takes time and even the 2003 bunch had to mess up over and over before finally they cracked it...and let's face it, there's no other world class coaching options so we may as well carry on! They aren't far off...but still don't dominate scrums, play down the backline fluently enough, and rush up every time with the 'hammer'. Players need to be brave enough to play what they see, and not always what they are told. Woodward didn't really coach his players, they coached themselves...
love these chats, so interesting. I've got two requests: 1. An episode devoted to the 'Happy Cat' and other animals. 2. I'd love to see Charlie and Alex break down film together
If the Japan game was played first and then the other games played out as they did, meaning England lost the last three games then. England would be in a more dire position now.
England just don’t have the players right now. Squeaked past Italy and Wales. Comfortably beaten by Scotland. No wins v Southern Hemisphere. 4th would be an achievement in the 6N.
the cope is hard with pom fans and its not just from these blokes... Ive heard from multiple other commentators about the AB games "we were the better side", maybe for a one off but 3 in a row. Same logic for ABs vs SA last 3 games, NZ looked better than SA but the Boks know how to close off a close game. Then losing to Aus & SA at home.. come on its been a bad to average season, front up lol. Most NZ fans think the ABs have had a bad seson with 10/14 wins lol
As a quins fan Oscar Beard seems to me to be the answer to Englands attacking issues, bounces off players and is so effective in traffic, with Lawrence outside of him that’ll be scary for any team
What mark would you give England's Autumn, out of 10?
I love quick Tap - Goodey and Charlie are excellent
6
Performance 7
Results 5 or 4
We've played better than many an autumn where we've won 2 or 3 games
Also Attack 8 Set Piece 7 Defence 4
4. Didn't beat either of the Big scalps (ABs or SA), lost to a so called weak Australia and then had to play a full strength team against japan to save face. Baffling selections and omissions didn't help either
When Ben Spencer was subbed in both games England were winning. Lost both games and Borthwick makes him the scapegoat. Coaching masterclass!!
Glad you're excited about the 6 Nations, I'm bloody petrified.
Will Stuart has been a MASSIVE positive this autumn. As the series has progressed the defensive system and England being unable to close out games have become the talking points. But pre New Zealand the big question mark was tighthead. The fact that Opoku-Fordjour has now been capped is a huge plus in the tighthead position. Well done gents.
Tbh ENG could have gone 3-1 in the fall. I am not an ENG fan so no bias here
Should England sack off the 'Blitz' defence?
Yes they should... there are times it works, but clearly not 100% of the time!
6/10.
Should have beaten All.Blacks.
Fronted up well to Boks.
Basics failed against Aus.
Did the job vs Japan.
Downsides: didn't blood the players we could have (not seen Hill, enough of Fin Smith, Asher should have come in at the start and no Cole).
Too many players that won't be best players in their position in world. Slade, Earl at 8, JvP (Spencer treated harshly), Isekwie, Ewels, Davidson (why bring him if not to play?),
But we will stick with Borthwick through 6 Nations and ultimately, the aim should be to create a stable roster of bench players who will energise and improve side.
Just do what we all want and utilise U20 players. They have no fear and they play to the line and very quickly.
Agree on all of your points though with that fixture list we needed to have continuity of selection to get some wins.So many players still with few caps , so Bortwick had his hands tied in looking at new players. Would myself have started Baxter Cowan-dickie and Fordjour yesterday but least they have now been in camp a while and that’s important.
@@kev63inuk I suppose a national head coach nevers moves as quickly as we would like! I think the England men's football team is a good example of how to approach it. I'm excited by the U20s mentality. They clearly have a mindset to dominate and win at all costs, in addition to obvious talent. It's all in the head, and making the right decisions under pressure. I associate this team right now with knocking on in crucial plays, not securing ball properly in scrums and mauls, and miss-tackles due to playing system over instinct. It takes time and even the 2003 bunch had to mess up over and over before finally they cracked it...and let's face it, there's no other world class coaching options so we may as well carry on! They aren't far off...but still don't dominate scrums, play down the backline fluently enough, and rush up every time with the 'hammer'. Players need to be brave enough to play what they see, and not always what they are told. Woodward didn't really coach his players, they coached themselves...
love these chats, so interesting.
I've got two requests:
1. An episode devoted to the 'Happy Cat' and other animals.
2. I'd love to see Charlie and Alex break down film together
Was the difference between almost and achieving wins just the defensive errors?
If the Japan game was played first and then the other games played out as they did, meaning England lost the last three games then. England would be in a more dire position now.
France easily the best 6N team.
I’m glad it’s over now.
Results have ruined my Autumn. Hoping the six nations will cheer me up this winter.🏴
England just don’t have the players right now. Squeaked past Italy and Wales. Comfortably beaten by Scotland. No wins v Southern Hemisphere. 4th would be an achievement in the 6N.
the cope is hard with pom fans and its not just from these blokes... Ive heard from multiple other commentators about the AB games "we were the better side", maybe for a one off but 3 in a row. Same logic for ABs vs SA last 3 games, NZ looked better than SA but the Boks know how to close off a close game. Then losing to Aus & SA at home.. come on its been a bad to average season, front up lol. Most NZ fans think the ABs have had a bad seson with 10/14 wins lol
As a quins fan Oscar Beard seems to me to be the answer to Englands attacking issues, bounces off players and is so effective in traffic, with Lawrence outside of him that’ll be scary for any team
its a 3/10 max......
In the words of Charlie... "Brutal"
@@GoodBadRugby but fair.
Ireland, France & Scotland next for England! Borthwick's probably already thinking of the excuses! 5-12 shambles, £225 a ticket at Twickenham JOKE!