Cephalopods: Aliens From Earth | Random Thursday
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Cephalopods like octopus, squid, and cuttlefish seem to be as alien as any alien creature from a sci-fi movie, and it's fun to speculate that they could be aliens from another planet. But could they be aliens from right here on Earth?
Today we look at some of the strangest - and most intelligent - animals on Earth. Cephalopods.
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One of the more interesting encounters of my life was having an octopus wrap a tentacle around my forearm. A friend and I were visiting the aquarium at OSU Corvallis and in a waist high tank, sat (no lap. I don't know how that works) the first living octopus I'd ever seen. She, I was told, had been a bad girl having escaped her display tank, raided every adjacent tank and eaten every living thing in them. I was invited to put my hand in the tank and cautioned not to pull away, as this could remove the mucus lining of the sucker cups on the tentacle, which could lead to an infection . She explored my arm for a bit, decided it wasn't lunchtime and let me go. It was quite a profound experience and I came away with the distinct impression of intelligence at work there. The passing years haven't shown me anything to counter that first impression. They are a marvel; with an appetite.
It ate everything else in the joint?😅
I had a brother-in-law tell me of an experience he once had dealing with an octopus. He had been attending a beach party (back in the 70's) here in the Puget Sound area (where MANY octopoda reside). Late that night, just after the LSD kicked in, a few of the folks there decided to go for a moonlight swim. Several yards off shore, my brother-in-law felt something attach itself to his chest and shoulder. He realized that a small-ish octopus had grabbed onto him. Needless to say, that completely freaked him out. Some frantic thrashing around and arm wrestling dislodged the curious critter and Dave swam back to the beach to try to gain his composure. Talk about the weirdest "buzz-kill'!
octopuses have arms, not tentacles
"Soul of an Octopus" by Sy Montgomery gives many such initial encounters, and one of the coolest tales of humans and anacondas. Oh, and in the book from which "Arrival" is taken, "Stories of Your Life" by Ted Chiang, one of the last messages the Heptapods who visit Earth give us is that we're the closest beings to them they've found.
@@rockdog2584 Nothing screams credibility like a paragraph starting with "after the LSD kicked in"
One of the most amazing things I’ve ever seen an animal do was done by an octopus that had been captured by marine biologists. It was in a tank in the cabin of the ship that was being monitored by camera. It had been there a couple of days when it obviously decided it had had enough.
It dragged itself out of the tank, off the desk, across the floor, UP THE LADDER and jumped over the side. The ladder was not visible from the octopus’s tank but the octopus did not just stumble around till it found a way out, it went directly to it. It took the shortest route out of the boat immediately. They really are amazing. It would be funny if we finally worked out how to communicate with each other with language only to find it really awkward cos we just didn’t have much in common. Just really long pauses and then, “well, anyway... it’s getting late,....so...if you’re ever in Philadelphia...”
😲😲!!
TheWeeaboo
Yeah it’s something I’ve wondered about quite a bit. Particularly with pets I’ve had. I know when I think, my thoughts are automatically in English (my only language) but how do you even articulate your own thoughts to yourself without a language. When I’m hungry, those actual words come into my head “I’m hungry” but before that happens I ‘feel’ hungry. So do animals without language operate purely on feeling and emotion. I mean it seems like the obvious answer to that is yes, but I find it impossible to imagine that. Is language the only thing that makes us sentient or are all animals sentient on some level and aware that 1. They are individuals 2. They exist inside a universe. Sorry I’m not explaining myself well cos I don’t really know what I mean. I eat meat, I sometimes think we conveniently don’t think too much about this cos it would be horrific to fully understand what we’re doing for that to be part of our diet. On the other hand when people condemn the human race because it hunts whales and other animals they aren’t taking into consideration the fact that we seem to be the only species that gives a shit about the whales in the first place, apart from the whales themselves, and even then it’s just complete self interest.
Hahaha sorry. A lot of time to sit and think with this virus. And for that matter what’s the virus’s motivation. It’s only purpose is to reproduce, it’s not even technically alive. And then suddenly my brain is boggled.
Crazy frikkin universe.
@@seaoftranquility7228 It would probably be interesting for you to find out people who were born deaf either do not have an inner monologue or they monologue in sign language.
fever_unspoken. Yes, I absolutely do, that is a fascinating thought. So when you say their inner monologue is in sign, do they actually see a pair of disembodied hands in their minds eye? I mean it makes sense I guess. That’s awesome. It’s still language of course, but it totally demonstrates a different way of expressing that language, even internally. Ive been meaning to get back to this thread I just haven’t been able to think of anything new to add. And what about deaf and blind? God I’ve got an early start tomorrow and it’s getting late here in Australia, I’m gonna be thinking all night. Thanks for joining in!
@TheWeeaboo
What about that whacky scientist who was giving dolphins acid and trying to have sex with them while learning to communicate
What I always thought was so interesting about octopuses is that they’re solitary creatures but they play, which is completely counterintuitive to many theories as to why play evolved. For a long time the most common theory was play evolved as a way of social conditioning.
Yes! Just exactly, precisely like bigfooti. Or is it, bigfootes?
amateur divers have observed well-fed octopuses socializing.
I mean, convergent evolution is a very common thing. Perhaps the way we developed play and the way they did had different causes but a similar looking outcome
I wiggled my fingers at a Cuttlefish and it copied me lol, while scuba diving in the UK :-)
That's the cutest thing I've heard this year
That's unbearable cute!
I love them! I had a similar experience.
@@BirdSniff It really should be Cuddlefish.
John Whitehouse the octopus hid from me because I found his/her hole :( I was trying to explain they are my favorite creature but he/she didn’t care. It’s ok. It was probably a female and nesting. I just left it alone.
8:52 That's actually a pretty great demonstration; really liked how simple it was and it got the point across completely
"My Octopus teacher" is a really great movie that shows that octopuses are more than we think they are.
*documentary
@@sydn2698 It's a horror movie.
I love that film. I cried so much at the end.
That man definitely got some octopussy
"My Octopus Teacher" has totally changed the way I view human intelligence. I have a dyslexic friend who didn't finish 9th grade and yet has an innate feel for mechanics and can do complicated spatial reasoning quite easily. I feel like he draws on his body's understanding of physics for this. Maybe I'm wrong. But we have neurons in our body too... seems like muscle memory could be considered a form of intelligence....
The Octopus has always deeply intrigued me. I saw one at a zoo one time and it followed this little girl as she walked along the glass. About an hour later that same family, as well as mine, made our way back and that Octopus recognized that same little girl and followed her back and forth. We were all amazed.
Prey size? :/
@@IosafBennis never thought of that...😯
When i was learning to swim as a kid a curious baby octopus was following me. I noticed a shadow so I put my head under water : it was legit starring at me like crazy.
Nice one
People just love to lie 😅
@@carsonclements6867 Wow, he saw an octopus in the water, what a liar. What about me, I saw a magpie today and accidentally scared it by opening my window. Such crazy stories must be made up, no way it could happen in real life. 🙄
@@carsonclements6867 he literally just said he saw a baby octopus.
Baby Octo: Hey you, kiddo, stay safe. I'm watching you.
I wonder how the other octopuses react when one has been taken by scientists and later returned to the sea? Do they have a whole history of ‘alien abduction’ stories about us?
possible. From July's Utopia: According to a study published in the journal BMC Biology, researchers have found the genes that are responsible for Human intelligence are also prevalent in Octopuses. Gene sequences called transposons. Most of these tend to be dormant, but the Long Interspersed Nuclear Elements or LINE seems to be active. These are linked with learning and memory. The researchers postulated that the secret to octopuses high intelligence is that it shares these same genes with humans. Though this may put too much faith in humans being highly intelligent.
Octopuses are mostly solitary so they probably would just try to dominate the other's territory.
"My parents went to a planet lacking bilateral symmetry and all I got was this lousy F-shirt."
Love me a thinking joke lol +1
lol thats awesome
Jokes about biological symmetry. That’s great. ....F-T-shirt...🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thank god i got a small t- shirt from the planet ny parents visited
@@alimroweh1
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"Could Cephalopods be from another world?"
Careful Joe, Great Cthulu is listening. You don't want to get too close to the truth.
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You did not know of the great Cthulhu.
You do not know of the great Cthulhu.
You do not know of the great Cthulhu.
Now take me to your leader :P
IA! IA! CTHULU FHTAGN!
How insulting to insinuate that Cthulhu would listen to specks like us
I've been a subscriber of yours for several years now and I can tell you that I still find your narratives and storytelling in a catagory of it's own. Unlike most others, your original and extremely intelligent thought provoking content is also often mixed with genuine humor. Thank you for your insight and hard work in bringing these to light. Having said that, I will say this, octopuses are by far one of the most inquisitive, interesting, intelligent and alien creatures on this planet.
From July's Utopia: According to a study published in the journal BMC Biology, researchers have found the genes that are responsible for Human intelligence are also prevalent in Octopuses. Gene sequences called transposons. Most of these tend to be dormant, but the Long Interspersed Nuclear Elements or LINE seems to be active. These are linked with learning and memory. The researchers postulated that the secret to octopuses high intelligence is that it shares these same genes with humans. Though this may put too much faith in humans being highly intelligent.
Joe, I am amazed at your skill to deliver a ton of information in such a clear, brief, concise, and fun way. I feel like every second of your video is worth watching. Thank you.
Loved this video! Such amazing creatures.
Years ago I had the chance to spend 5 days working on Bora Bora. Every morning before we had to start work I would grab my snorkel gear and go investigate the lagoon just outside of my ocean side room. There were all sorts of wonderful creatures in the coral environments just off the shore. Even a young manta ray (young, meaning it was only 6 feet across as opposed to the adults at some 15 feet from wing tip to wing tip) circling in the open areas of the deeper channels. One morning I got to watch an octopus do its thing looking for food. It let me get fairly close, about 4 feet away before it changed color, slid into a rock formation and out the other side. I followed it and saw it change colors and textures so fast I wasn't sure what I was seeing was real. It was about 4 feet long in total and moved with such ease and purpose investigating all the cracks and holes looking for food. And then it jetted away with even more speed than previously shown. I felt blessed to have been given the chance to see one in the wild and not just in an aquarium. Mind blowing creatures!
😲😲
My favorite octopus story is:
An octopus (I believe he was a giant octopus) lived in an aquarium, one day he was given shrimp that had apparently gone bad. He climbed out of his tank, down a hallway, directly to the office of the employee that fed him, and THREW ONE OF THE SHRIMP AT HIM. Then he turned around and went right back to his tank.
Wow!😂
I have to admit, these questions about extraterrestrial life certainly Octopi my thoughts.
Eh? Eh?
*slow clap that turns into roaring applause
🤔🤔🤦♀️🤦♀️😁😄😂🤣🤣🤣
**Grammar Police sirens wailing**
You caught me off guard and triggered a hearty belly laugh. Well done.
Ok that made me laugh, nice one.
Star Trek has an explanation of why all of the aliens look like us. Apparently, a humanoid race spread its DNA into the beginning stages of life on multiple planets in the galaxy as a way of preserving their culture.
Ethan Hartle lol, I just commented on this.
Was this explained in the later series's. Because I dont see tos bothering to consider that. I'm not a huge trek fan so I might be wrong
@@darrenjames9891 was in TNG
Yes & no, you are describing the "Progenitors", they seeded life not as a way to preserve their DNA, but simply because the Universe was devoid of sentient life, to put it mildly......they were lonely.
@@panzermacher Honestly, that sounds like most religions' creation myths. "God was lonely, so he..."
You missed the octopus dreaming, changing his pattern while doing so. That was the first time I doubted it’s strangeness and simple brain.
I am so forever going to be totally pedantic and say “Octopoda”.
I say that when me and 7 friends are using the restroom.
Considering how confused and arbitrary it seems to have gotten, I will be calling them "Octo-Pussies". You know, because they have no spine.
Joe actually got this wrong. Octopoda is the taxonomic order. The proper Greek plural of octopus is octopodes. www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/the-many-plurals-of-octopus-octopi-octopuses-octopodes
yes!
Same.
Ah yes, Tommy Wiseau... the perfect representative of the human species
Oh hai Mark!
So tell me about your sex life
He hit her, you know
Your tearing me apart lisa
@@Rovsau he did not! He did not!!
This is the type of stuff that has made me want to study cephalopods. The marine world is amazing and deserves more study
Typical sci fi movies aren't about aliens, they're about us. Aliens are just a plot device to discuss human motivations and/or stupidity when confronted with difficulties.
Exactly Rod Serling's point in so many Twilight Zone episodes.
I guess you could infer that about anything from any film with humans in? Not only films with aliens in. I dont think its the main reason in films such as Alien
Yeah, I know. He mentioned that too.
Star Trek TNG S06E20 "The Chase". They explained why most of the species look alike, they all share a common ancestor in the Star Trek universe.
Wasn't that a two part episode. And besides, the real point of the episodes is that Klingons are bastards.
th-cam.com/video/ZNAHcMMOHE8/w-d-xo.html the 1902 French sci-fi film shows aliens the way Joe Scott described in this video (so much earlier than Star Trek)
@@justingrey6008 The Romulans were pretty shady too.
"a logical conclusion Jim".
@TheWeeaboo Egyptians hadn't delved into vastly abstract concepts: Egyptians created a religion full of nonsense (like all religions)
4:30 don't forget, sharks were here on earth BEFORE TREES, if you look at the timelines of things like sharks, trees, dinosaurs, spiders, ants and such it's a really wild ride
6:00 blue blood actually isn't that rate tho, horseshoe crabs have blue blood, and a large part of modern medicine literally relies on that blue blood for various stuff D:
After an octopus solved a puzzle in a documentary before I did, I stopped eating them and started loving them.
i do both
That's when I started eating them. Either we're in charge or they are.
@Steven Gulie That's Plan B
I'm glad I never ate one. After my encounter, I swore I'd never eat them or squid.
Pigs are smart
"who says that the mouth should be below the eyes" - evolution - this way the orange juice does not get in your eyes when you bite on a juicy orange :)
Wow that's so simple but awesome. I never thought of it that way. Thanks for that information. I went to a private Christian school where even speaking the word evolution would be considered blasphemy.
dolphins have mouth between the eyes
Smart
@@casspapa7484 hello im a sephalapod...
@@rgerber let's see those tentacles/arms!
They're not lying. They're just so polite and considerate that they feel changing Their form is the most accommodating thing they can do.
It'd only be lying if they'd showed up in the fake human forms first, but they didn't. So they knew how they really looked from the get go. Thermians ain't no liars
Loved the story of the octopus who didn't appreciate the lumps of frozen shrimp pieces it was being fed. It waited until the scientist went past its tank on the way out. The scientist noticed that one arm was stretched out holding the food over the drain tube of the tank filtration and the eyes were fixed on them. Once the octopus was sure it had their attention it dropped the food into the drain showing as much contempt as it could!
I've never heard that one before, thank you for sharing.
@@KeKe-bv8qv Thanks I'm sure we underestimate their intellect!
And - their eyes are different, they don't have blind spots like other animals.
Intelligent design of Chtulhu... awesome!
That’s because they evolve eyeballs separately from other animals. Their light sensing cells face forward and not backward like ours.
Also they can regenerate their limbs.
But their brains circle their esophaguses making it fatal for them to bite off more than they are inable to chew. These two circumstances limit the amount of caloric and nutritional value they can get from their food. Also, they are mollusks and confined to water at their current evolutionary state. And they only live a couple of years, dying soon after they mate (males) or directly after their eggs hatch (females), making the passing on of knowledge from one generation to the next impossible.
@@Markle2k So are they in a constant state of epistemological survival? Always learning how to live, without any guidance, just by watching and experimenting? Sounds a lot like me lol
"...not the only trick they've got up their eight sleeves..." Brilliant!
9:53 "That's not the only trick they've got up their eight sleeves"
Brilliant!
Joe, "Epigenesis" is the development of an organism from a single cell to a baby i.e. a single zygote (a fertilized egg) begins to multiply and eventually turn into a baby; or a seed turning into a plant. I think the word you're looking for is abiogenesis, the formation of a living cell from non-living matter.
Crowbars2 I second this. Love your content and delivery Joe. Sorry to nitpick.
The joke few over both of your heads.
I think he really meant epigenesis, as in after the time when life consisted of single-celled organisms as it did for most of earth's history..
You sure the first thing you describe isn´t ontogenesis?
@@paavobergmann4920 Wouldn't that be a bit later?
Really interesting. Seeing how incredibly alien cephalopods are, and how incredibly diverse life on Earth is, especially in the oceans, it's hard to imagine there could be something even more alien out there.
Joe: anyone who starts essays by saying “from the dawn of time” are amateurs
Also Joe: “Merian Webster defines epigenesis...”
Love your subtle jokes joe
Watch Babylon 5 they actually did a pretty good job creating some different creatures the aliens are done well
Ah, beat me to it
Me too
Someone could beat me to it if they'd like... just don't get too rough... I chafe easily.
I bursted out at 9:23, with the eyeball gag! Nicely don’t Joe, nicely done!
You are on fire with this one! The introduction and the whole “octopoda” bit was amazing. Thank you nerd.
I'm going to start calling them "octopoda". It sounds a lot more correct than "octopusses", and is obviously better than "octopi"
I finished reading _Other Minds_ yesterday. Thanks for suggesting it, it was really informative and thought-provoking. ☺️
Octopuses - seems even more intelligent than many of us. “Every animal knows more than you do” Native American Proverb quotes
That's no surprise!
M. J. Golden Squirrels definitely know a lot more about finding fun little treats in the ground than I do. If you watch them,they’re NEVER unsuccessful when they stop to dig something up.However, I CAN wait till a bunch of squirrels eat all the stuff they find,promptly shoot the cute little buggers and make some stew with the vegetables that I grew which are pretty easy to find. (Not really. I just buy all that crap).
Never heard that but I always thought it.
Every you knows more than animals do.
-Squidward
@@zakuro8532 Look Deep into Nature and you will Understand Everything Better - Albert Einstein
I've become addicted to your videos. I love how informative and yet easy to cognitively digest they are. In these turbulent times, they have provided morsels of escape into a world of productive thought and wonder. Thank you Joe
Also, I'm totally taking notes so I can flaunt these amazing facts as though I'm somewhat smart ;)
I figure that since they eat each other it must be part of their culture, so I'm just sayin', it's ok to eat calamari in an octopuses' garden, for me.
Octopuses, squids, cuttlefishes… whatever they’re called they’re so adorable! I love how these days people find them cute and fascinating, like they deserve. When I was a kid, my friends all thought they were gross 🐙
This pisses me off too about movies. That's why I loved the depiction of the aliens in arrival so much.
I find when the Aliens in movies look completely diff from us they're used as enemies in the story. Independence day for instance, good movie.
Same here. The odds against alien life forms looking anything like us - or even like ANY Earth life - are enormous. Another thing is that they're quite unlikely to speak perfect, unaccented English. I understand why film makers do that, but I hate it anyway.
@@craigcorson3036 unlikely to speak English??? No shit!! The people in the country a few hundred miles from my country don't speak it, so a civilisation from across the galaxy aren't gonna speak it!
@@craigcorson3036 That's why Star Trek gave us the universal translator. :)
Arrival was comically bad and aliens still need to be able to form societies and be able to build ships, technology and those tentacles wouldn't make it possible now would they? You don't see dolphins or octopus building anything.
I remember watching a documentary where a marine biologist was being interviewed, with two cuttlefish in an aquarium behind him who were obviously very interested by this unusual activity in the lab.
2:00 Thermians weren't lying when they emulated our appearance, they were being polite. If you close the door while pooping it's not deception, it's just being polite
Exogenesis: I want to believe.
Also if epigenisis happened twice on one planet, it basically guarantees that we are not the only planet in the universe with life.
I think NASA found fossilized bacteria on mars, but dont quote me on that. Since all it takes for life to begin is just the pure luck of a few proteins being built over the curse of a long time, life could be inevitable on many planets, but the amount of time it takes to develop information storage molecules would be a huge factor in how long it takes. Also to get any sort of complex life, life would need to develop some sort of way to get high genetic diversity in every generation like sexual reproduction.
Not necessarily. All it would guarantee is that our planet had conditions favourable to life; it wouldn't guarantee how common conditions like that are. I am still really hopeful that we find life outside of earth though.
@@amentrison2794 To be fair many of the basic components that just Earth Life needs are relatively common in the universe, so its very unlikely there isn't at least single celled organisms elsewhere in the galaxy alone.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 I absolutely agree with you which is why I'm very hopeful about finding life elsewhere. That being said, I also try to be honest about the actual evidence that currently exists.
If so, and affected by incoming 'space viruses', then even the simplest extraterrestrial life we might discover will likely have several repeating 'patterns' of development that are similar to our own.
10:53 - That octopus running is my favorite :-)
I love Galaxy Quest. My grandson watched it steadily when he was four, and I saw it multiple times, of course. I recommend it as an example of teamwork.
"Imagine how efficient we could be if we could convey complex ideas without having to use words". Yup screens are pretty sweet.
Or have a meme on your shirt?
Yah like body language
You: Octopi
Me *an intellectual*: octopuses
Me *a pedantic*: Octapoda
Me a fish: Dog
Octopussi
You: Claiming to be an intellectual.
Me: *pats your head* Gooooood jooob...
@@sumdud23 actually it's Octopodes. Joe was wrong. Octopoda is the name for the Octopus family.
8:20 That actually happens through a process called “facial expressions”. Every last emotion can be discerned through facial expressions.
Just that emotions and expressions are somewhat limited...
basically all human communication is done by nerves controlling muscles
when i taught college english i always did a little lesson near the beginning of the semester where we talked about things NOT to do in college essays, and i told them not to start essays with "from the dawn of time" because YES THEY ALL WRITE THAT
How about, "From the start of this boring ass class..." Just kidding... BTW, I don't EVER remember starting any of my essays that way. Granted, there were quite a few I didn't start, so that might have been part of it. But still, even in my physics class, where such a cliche would be appropriate, I don't know of anyone who used that.
"Webster's dictionary describes science as the pursuit of knowledge using a set of pre-defined rules..." Junior, you're getting a D
I hope you also taught them when to use capital letters...
It was a dark and dreary night ...
Once upon a time ...
I’d argue that all life has an intelligence we can’t conceptualise.
all life except dogs which are braindead empty shells
I get what you mean but there are different kinds of intelligences and some are more apparent than others. You can test how smart an animal is by giving it a puzzle or maze or something that uses it's abilities the best, and see how it solves it. This is great for animals which are harder to understand like octopusses, rats etc. For ones we can more easily understand like, dolphins, elephants and the like it is easier to see their strengths and abilities. Also, some animals are just stupid and practically brain dead like Koalas.
This is not getting into things like plants which would make Octopuses seem easy to understand. That's a whole world we have a lot of work to do on.
@@6500s1 can you explain why dogs are braindead? Im not tryna be mean or nothing you just genuinely peaked my curiosity because I feel like I know why and I agree but I want to know why that is
Imagine how they would have evolved if they were able to have more than one generation of offspring and developed socially.
Jorge Morales I’m pretty sure he was joking; either that or just has some strange bias against dogs lol. But to my point: I thought you might like to know that, in the sense in which you used the word, it is spelled ‘piqued'. Honestly not tryna be a smart ass though.
"Millions of years ago?!" But... but, that's older than the Ancient Holy Book!
BLASPHEEMER
One could argue that the world as they knew it was 6000 years old, not the literal earth. Same with the flood. The world as they knew it was flooded, not the entire planet.
@@solidusosiris38 Exactly. The same thing as ancient emperors saying, "I am king of kings, ruler of the entire world!" Well, as far as they knew, I guess. Many researchers think it's possible that the floods in Genesis and Gilgamesh are both based on the same ancient story referring to some huge flood (or floods) that ravaged Mesopotamia.
Funny how gods did not exist until man created them . . never content with just one, then all of a sudden he supposedly created everything, while many knew! ? ? ? certainly and beyond doubt! that the world was flat!
Another example of a commenter who has never actually studied the Church's position on pre-historic times. While some protestants do indeed believe that the universe is 6000 years old, the Catholic Church has long accepted that the universe began some 13 billion years ago.
Joe: "Arms have suction cups the whole length of the limb." Also Joe: "The nautilus can have up to 90 or more arms, but they have no suction cups on them".
tentacles are special, in that they have specialised suction cups with chitin hooks around them, on a special pad at the end of the tentacle. Neither the octopuses, nor the nautilus´arms have that. So.
"'From the beginning of time' is very amateur and lame too do" ....5 seconds later..... "Merriam's Dictionary defines...."
Wot? Wdym?
Omg this is hilarious. Spot on. What an amazing observation. You made me literally laugh out loud by myself, no joke. You have my upvote and my respect.
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@-.--.- he talked bad about using a generic opening to the video. Thed proceeded to use an even more generic introduction.
This is from a friend of mine and she wrote this to me: "There's a story from my schools lab, where a girl working cleaning up shrimp shells leftover from the octopus feeding started crying on the job, a combination of exam stress and the tank being a mess. The next night the octopus had put all its shells in a neat little pile for her"
The octopus-has-no-tentacles fact is something I drop on discord channels to get people mad.🤣
The original Solaris novel's theme is about how incomprehensible communicating and understanding an alien intelligence would/could be.
Just saw both of those movie adaptations, good SciFi - you can tell it inspired things like Arrival and Annihilation.
Communicating with an incomprehensible, alien intelligence: You've met my ex-wife?
I think we make a lot of assumptions about life: that it needs H,C & O (primarily), for example.
@SigmaTauri2 THe other alternative is lern to communicate with a parrot! I've been a pet sitter & avian critters have a very "alien" intelligence to mammals. Even a house cat is more comprehensible.
That is seriously the best description of how color change works with the balloon & blue ink. Is that also how like iguanas & chameleons etc. Change their color?
Just to be extra language-policey, I'll point out that since "octopus" is a noun, "octopi" would be an example of Latin declension, not conjugation.
Both those words apparently refer to the "number" of the subject, when I look up their definitions.
@@PinataOblongata but conjugation only applies to verbs. It is wdird, just accept it.
A H is it hentai?
I have never said the phrase: "From the dawn of time..."
I have said: "From the mid- morning brunch of time..."
"From the Happy Hour of Time"
In the Philippines I saw a plank that started with “since time immemorial” and then in the same sentence said it was in 1586.
Long Dark Teatime of the Soul?
(... for Douglas Adams fans...)
I've said "once upon a time" 🏰
"You know, i keep coming back to this one. It is so well written, sagacious and erudite. Worthy of a screenplay."
Shakespeare!
Imagine how they would be, were it not for their extremely short life spans.
Best comment.
We (and most life on the planet) are born and learn thru our lifetimes. Like hot, don’t touch, dont eat this or Do eat that etc etc etc.
I believe that the octopus has a way of passing on that learned knowledge from generation to generation thru mechanisms that we just don’t understand. Just my opinion.
Alan O many animals do this, insects do for sure. Mammals don’t, they must actually be taught. But you could be right, and perhaps that’s why it can manipulate 20,000 genes? It’s actually creating a library of information for its offspring?
@@alano9936 Zoo-raised monkeys who've never seen a snake ftf-out when confronted with a rubber representation of a snake in their enclosure.
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Epigenetics:
By the middle of the 20th century, scientists began realizing that DNA sequences weren't the only things telling genes what to do. Some instructions were also coming from the epigenome - basically a collection of other chemical markers and signals that interact with DNA and influence its activity.
Perhaps the most intriguing animal paper so far is a study published online in the winter of 2013 that appeared to show that fear memories can be inherited. Researchers from Emory University trained male mice to associate an odor with an electrical shock, so that they would get startled simply by smelling the odor by itself. Surprisingly, the scientists found that the smell also startled the next two generations of mice.
www.vox.com/platform/amp/2014/8/18/5927269/epigenetics-definition-cancer-diet-explained-inheritance-DNA-methylation
I like to think dolphins, orcas, and octopuses(sounds so weird saying it correctly), have a party once a year where they speak a common language and then go back to dominating their portion of the ocean
FINALLY someone aknowlages "Arrival"!!
Great video by the way. I watched it even tho I hate octopuses and generally all cephalopods. You're currently my favorite TH-camr and your videos really keep me from having an existential crisis during self-isolation.
Thanks Joe 👍👍
Joe: Includes pictures from Star Trek
Joe's Video's Length: 17:01
I see what you did there🖖
I don't. Help a guy out and explain the joke?
@@bbd121 the registry number for the Starship Enterprise is NCC-1701. Joe's video length is 17:01
Nice catch!
Arrival is the best modern movie I have seen so far. "Hold, please"
Loved that movie!
Yep, I really liked the “alien-ness” of the aliens.
PrivateSi
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Arrival is a film about being pregnant and having a baby
You should watch the Endless if you have the chance. I believe it’s on amazon
PrivateSi you weren’t paying attention to the movie were you?
great video! very well researched, super informative and entertaining! thanks for that 👍
So you mean this whole time I've been watching Japanese arm porn?!?!?! Kinda ruins the mood when you put it that way.
To be fair, they're also tongues
Not gonna lie when Tommy Wiseau popped up i was laughing for a good minute😂
@MegaMrblackguy This comment was a wild ride from start to finish.
😅😅
"My Octopus Teacher" is an amazing reveal on octopus behavior. They are truly remarkable creatures, so intelligent, so unusual... it's just a real shame their lifespan is SO SHORT! Cuttlefish live even shorter lives.
Ok in defense of sci fi shows like star trek having humanoid aliens:
- the budget for these shows was not big enough to make realistic aliens
- star trek gave a good in universe explanation: all humanoid aliens come from a common ancestor that planted their DNA on planets of similar size and air pressure, thus leading to intelligent species that all resemble eachother.
I was going to say this exact same comment. You beat me to it!
And in addition to your first point: On a planet full of us, it's easier to cast one of us than an alien.
Spaghetti monster from original Star Trek- “am I a joke to you”
Gotta patch up that roof somehow
I guess that common ancestor is us humans then, since we've found a lot of fossils of our development on this planet over millions of years. The question would then be how did we manage to get around the galaxy planting our DNA before we started exploring the galaxy?
outstanding content; one quibble: Aristotle would have been writing about them around 330 BCE (not CE/AD).
Taught Alexander personally. You are correct sir.
Misogynist jerk didn't listen well enough to Plato IMHO
Confucius proverb states 'he who sleeps with itchy butt,wakes to stinky fingers' after extensive study I've found it is not hyperbole 🤔
Oh, the great Greek Philosophers. Aristotle. Pythagoras (the "inventor" of the "Pythagorean Theorem" {the a squared + b squared = c squared equation}...though it is now known that those mathematical calculations had been known LONG before Pythagoras came along). What great minds were hanging out back in the last couple of centuries before some guy named Jesus came along!
Let's face it...we own these guys (as well as several more) a great deal of honor for their far-reaching foresight into the concepts of modern math, philosophy, and government (these were, after all, members of the society that developed the concept of Democracy). Think about it...these guys were living over two THOUSAND years ago...and they seemed to have a pretty good handle on how the world does and should work.
Do you expect this man to be as smart as an octopus?
Wow, this is one of the best scripts that has ever been in this channel, i wonder who could've come with something this good
On the topic of trying to communicate with aliens, I would heartily recommend the book "His Master's Voice" by the amazing, but sadly often forgotten, Stanislaw Lem (mostly known due to his "Solaris", also a piece of art)
Lem, yes! Rarely is science fiction so compelling, insightful and of ironic wit. I cannot recommend his _Summa Technogiae_ enough, these essays examine civilization in the absence of limitations, both material and technological.
@@XmarkedSpot I haven't heard about that one before, I will definitely check it out! Unrelated to the current topic, but I can't help mentioning that his Futurological Congress is one of the most amazing, surreal and innovative novels I've ever come across... It's like Philip K Dick on steroids, if you're into that sort of sort
@@Ctenomy _The Star Diaries_ compile the travels of one Ijon Tichy up until he visits that particular Congress ^^
My book tip for you: _Snow Crash_ by Stephenson
They should republish all the old canon every few decades. It would inform and nourish new ideas.
Dam you, now I'm adding all those novels mentioned here to my cart to get me thru this pandemic lockdown.
Yea, ok Joe - I'm good with "octopussy"...
I've long hypothesized cephalopods could be aliens on Earth. Their evolution is so divergent and primeval.
when you're right, you're right. arrival really was a great movie.
there're comments under Arrival-related videos explaining how nonsensical that movie is; Joe Scott should know better, and not recommend that movie as scientifically accurate (because it is not)
@@ireneuszpyc6684 lick your hand and slap yourself. being 100% scientifically accurate doesn't make a movie good. it's called science -fiction-, genius.
@@Asdfology there're 2 types of sci-fi: the hard one (scientifically accurate, like 2001: Space Odyssey), and the fantasy type, like "Arrival"
@@Asdfology even in this comment section some people explain why "Arrival" was silly: "..Arrival was comically bad and aliens still need to be able to form societies and be able to build ships, technology and those tentacles wouldn't make it possible now would they? You don't see dolphins or octopus building anything..."
@@ireneuszpyc6684 I'm gonna go ahead and call your "two types of scifi" nonsense... nonsense...
Just because some authors put more effort into what is *mathematically* possible vs those that prefer more embellishments to carry on with the story makes no difference in writing. Except what people want to whine about.
Take Star Trek and give it a good objective once through, and you'd realize how "science fantasy" it is. Cloaking? Force fields? Warp drives? All fantasy nonsense specifically set in place for story elements.
Arrival wasn't "silly". It was focused on a single core element of language (a thing most people don't seem to understand). That is the phenomenon where learning new languages gives you completely new perspectives.
And people are claiming tentacles can't build starships?
...
*sigh*
Any appendage that allows the use of tools and environment manipulation could build a starship given enough time and evolutionary focus.
The only point of possible contestation here is whether or not an apparently ocean based life form can develop advanced civilization without FIRE. Assuming they aren't gas balloons in a high pressure atmosphere.
Dawn of time IS silly, everyone knows the good intro starts with
SINCE TIME IMMEMORIAL...
What only the few seem to know is that time clearly begins at midnight. ;)
@@annoyed707 at the midnight of time doesn't have quite the same ring to it...
by the way is 0:00hrs am or pm in that odd system some people use?
@@wilhelmhedin8845,
I believe 00:00•hrs is most likely AM ~ ^especially^ considering the way that midnight marks the ^beginning^ of the next day.
@@Ashoka_the-Great714 eggcellent
"Since 0000hrs , quite a few hours before the dawn of time, depending on time zone and DST..."
This is by far the most interesting, and well put together script on this channel, maybe even on youtube.
You just destroyed me with Tommy Wiseau 😂
Fun fact: Doc Oc's arms also each have an artificial brain.
Your rant about how movies portray alien forms speak the same way as I see it, thank you for putting that out for the world to hear!
The shout out of the movie 'Arrival' is so satisfying
I literally JUST watch the movie arrival- it was such a good movie! one of the best I've ever seen for sure.
Wow, what an incredibly well written video. I think this may be the best video you have ever done. May even be the best scripted video on TH-cam. Well done.
Also Star Trek, Star Wars etc.: EVERY planet ALWAYS 1g, never any issues with different gravity
Spock always with his tricorder, “oxygen normal”, and they snatch their helmets off.
The gravity issue is one of the biggest reasons why I stopped believing in lunar colonization. Can you imagine daily life on the moon? It'd likely be so cumbersome as to be difficult! And evolution doesn't happen fast; by the time humans genetically adapted to lunar life, we'd have long deliberately changed ourselves.
How do you know??? How do you know it was .5-1.5g....
And the planets in star wars are all one biosphere and biome
@@coltonbates629 Planets in star wars were terraformed (i think)
"From the dawn of time..." is something only newbies do
so,
Merriam-Webster defines Epigenesis as...
I see what you did there! hahaha
Arrival is my favorite Sci-fi movie ever. Such a great concept.
Squid turns red "Hello baby!"
Squid turns white "No homo!"
😂
LOL! But Imma jus gonna throw this out there... We may never know what an Octopus really identifies itself as...
Except no species is homophobic. Homophobia is a pathology of human behavior. That 4th-grade stab at humor is a textbook example.
T Doran No intelligent person finds it necessary to degrade other people for laughs. Which explains why the cruel and dimwitted often do.
@@prototropo hypocrite much
alien scientist: "And they use fishes' asses in place of their heads"
(audible gasp could be heard from the background. They collectively thought "humans" are terrifying creatures)
Fantastic explanation @Joe 09:26!
LOL @Joe 09:28!
The science/fun ratio is amazing! Keep up the great work!
"From the dawn of time we came...moving silently down through the centuries. Living many secret lives, struggling to reach the time of the gathering, when the few who remain will battle to the last. No one has ever known we were among you...until now". Highlander
@@bobcourtier4674 “There can be only one!”
That was my association too, especially as they are aliens if you consider anything beyond the first movie to exist :-)
Bob Courtier I thought it was, “Feed your head”, “The Darvon said, feed your head”, or maybe we’re talking about two different things?
If the idea of experiencing other minds is interesting to you, I recommend to novels Children of Time and Children of Ruin. Ruin in particular delves into the minds of cephalopods.
Maybe the in-universe reason for Aliens in Sci-fi and Humans looking so similar is because they evolved under similar pressures to us which in turn selected for similar traits through Convergent Evolution kinda like Birds and Bats. Both had similar pressures that separately selected for flight so both ended up evolving wings that aside from minor aesthetic differences are functionally identical.
Bruce Lee: "Be water my friend"
Octopus: " Uh...How did you swim down here?"
2:10 I've seen enough Japanese animation to know where this is going...
Fellow man of the culture
So, you've seen the fisherman's wife, andcthe fisherman's life 2: the retenticalling?
I can see where our BRILLIANT MINDS are. It's no wonder the Japanese were way ahead of the game, on cartooning of course...!
Hey Joe long time viewer here. But for some reason youtube the past few months hasnt been notifying me of your videos even though ive been subscribed with notifications on ever since day 1. Anyways i thought you were taking a break due to the world state, but its so good to see you and hear your voice teachong me things once again! Keep it up brother, always fascinating and love the puns/dad jokes. You are my spirit animal
So there was an episode of Star Trek NG that dealt with this. An ancient race seeded humanoid races.
Karl as did the Chariots Of The Gods documentary many decades ago. It was the precursor to… *sigh*… Ancient Aliens on the History Channel. Panspermia in a nutshell.
The joy of finding a Joe scott video I havent watched yet
I always thought it was weird and almost every sci-fi movie that alien spaceship is always dark and dirty as hell... Cleanliness has went out the window in the future
Your best intro yet! Well done!!