@@spritesforpeeps”they just word it like a child” You sir/ madam are correct. Case in point: Releasing/ making available 3 weeks worth of content in 1 day.
While D1 Armsday had it's highs and lows it provided a nice cadence for the week. Tuesday reset, Wednesday Armsdays, Thursday TWID, Friday Trials. Each of these had varying reasons to turn in or log in but it was something to keep the interest there.
Yeah, like some test dummy enemies of different types and stuff. And maybe also make it a nice place to put some trophies or like, tributes or something I guess. some sort of tribute hall thing, that would be so cool.
@@Dhjdidndbbehhsbbehr The enclave is bare bones when compared to the Menagerie, as it always will be. All you can do in that shooting range is test what flat damage weapons do, body shot and headshot. The disks do not proc perks associated with headshots or body shots and they do not get debuffed as far as I'm aware. As it stands, you get better and more accurate results in a lost sector than from those disks. edit: When I said Menagerie, I meant the Tribute Hall. Woops.
I feel like the power creep in the game has sort of outpaced foundry weapons. It's very rare to see a really good basic foundry weapon that performs better than some of the fantastical or unique raid/dungeon weapons, in looks and perks.
I don't mind people leaving useless comments like this, but I would appreciate it if u go make a game and do better with unlimited content, no time gate, etc
Getting ready for a Suros DIS-47, now that these rumors are here. And I do hope we get _The Tribute Hall_ back, it was such a convenient place... I doubt we'd get _Menagerie_ with it but one can hope; with the explanation of a left-over Robot Calus like the Warden in PoE. A Tower shooting range is promising though.
I'm glad to know that I'm thinking about bringing back arms day or something weekly like this. Also, I hope that when this occurs, I will be able to detect two existing weapons of the same type and be able to disassemble them and reassemble them with the perks that I want from each weapon into one webin. It includes being able to upgrade or correct all weapons to the new system while so keeping their old burn and counter of how many targets had been killed.
A house would be cool it could be a space where seasonal trophies go after the season like the fish we worked so hard for a few seasons back or the vex stuff we collected in echo hell a vault room that has all are exotics on the wall
Arms day return would be fantastic. Add in red borders to that pool, and players would have a reason to long back in. I know i missed out on potential for God roll craftables despite me always playing the game
I’m hoping this means Banshee will start offering MIDA, Tex, and Daito weapons now. And Ada offers Black Armory gear and weapons. These are the last four foundries we don’t have access to get weapons from. Player housing would be nice. There was plans for that, but they were scrapped due to money and the engine. While Warframe’s engine is more flexible, plus the way they built the game. It is nice to actually have the option to walk around a part of the City now. Actually feel for what you’re protecting as a Guardian.
Tried Running final checkpoint of Dungeon with Fireteam finder last night and the only 1 I was able to find was Vesper and none of us knew what the Hell we were supposed to be doing.😲 was hoping there would be a bunch of other people doing the quest but apparently not.
The dungeon has been out for months. The final encounter isn't hard to do. I had 2 randoms waste 30 minutes of my time until I left and got it done with another group in 20.
Arms day is only exciting in a historical context because loot was actually rare. A firing range will excite a small group of people, and is essentially again another feature we had that they’re gonna sell back to us again. We wanted the game to evolve in frontiers bungie. EVOLVE, not “bring back arms day and give them a crap shooting range in the tower”
I agree they timegate a lil too much but the thing is, is it used to be a good thing people were excited to go and play trial on the weekend or for when xur comes etc… I remember just walking around the reef looking for a team to play trails and people would join just because it’s the time to play trials,
They already have adept weapons for people who cant go flawless. The problem is skill gaps. There are some people that cant hit a single bullet in a match.
That intro.." what's up, guys, my name is houndish but you probably already know that"....intresting...houndish has been kidnapped by a robot believe nothing
The reason why time gaining happens is probably due now that destiny has a very low population so they have to do these time Gates so these players can come back and keep the population high
Bro, it's 2 fucking days, you can wait. You're probably the same player that complains that there is nothing to do when you blow through the content in 1 day.
Seriously folks are peeved about waiting a couple of days? CHILL !! I know I’ve already finished all 4 bounties from drifter …but have plenty to do sherpaing clan mates for their story mission needs
I’ve worked so hard to get good enough to go flawless, like over a year and I have only done it twice. If they start giving it away, I won’t have any reason to play it 🤷♂️
The only thing that would bring back a large chunk of the community would be an event/items not seen in years that have a nassive wave of nostalgia backing them. SRL for example
I don’t think timegating is the issue. I think as a society we want EVERYTHING and we want it NOW. Like the old DK album “Give Me Convenience, or Give Me Death”. At least in Merica, Spoiled ass society. Don’t get me wrong, I sure as hell enjoy these perks, just like anyone, but I also still have a moticum of patience about me, and a sense of doing something that wasn’t just “handed” to me.
Although we live in a more fast and ready now society quality still remains king. If what your were saying was the only truth than people wouldn’t be waiting 12 plus years for gta 6. The problem with destiny is that it just has never delivered an A+ drop to satisfy peoples craving and keep people excited to wait. When a product on most occasions is below average/average it’s going to be very difficult to hope people can remain patient considering the reason they are rushing to begin with is to see if things will actually improve so that they can either decide to stay with the franchise or move on. GTA 5 servers are still busy to this day and it came out before even destiny 1, and that’s because it’s a game that’s shown dedication to its core fan base. So even though people want the next game in the series they will still honor the one they have because it was built with a great deal of pride and consideration, something we can’t say about bungie at this point in time nor really ever unless we’re talking about the halo days.
Yeah I’m not too upset on the time gating. We got pretty good loot that may take a few hours to earn and as someone who works full-time, it gives me something to chase in the coming days for the additional bento tokens.
To think if the fan boys are greatly concerned about player counts wait until Heresy comes to a close...that's the last episode for the Final Shape Light/Dark saga...the end for majority of the Destiny franchise player base 😂😂😂
The enclave range doesn't have any actual enemies, and doesn't proc like 90% of weapon perks like bait and switch, or have any way to actually test your dps accurately, doesn't have smaller targets to test accuracy on, that kinda shiz,
@@spritesforpeeps I mean true but they could just implement that sorta thing to it in my opinion. Why make an entirely new place just for a range when there's already 1 there makes no sense
@UwUchibixwe already had a shooting range where you could spawn targets. People paid for it, and also paid with bright dust to build it up. They removed it from the game. Now they’re gonna do a slightly similar uninspired version of that and sell it to you guys who didn’t play the last one. Also as far as content goes, it’s about 5 minutes of actual fun
I am so sick of hearing people whine about timegating... if it was a daily thing I could understand but plenty of games do it, it's not something new and it isn't that fucking bad. I honestly want them to keep it just because of how ignorant and impatient people can be. How hard is it to just not be a coward? Just play the game, if you don't like it that much go away. If you could fly through it y'all would be bitching that now you have nothing to do.
Bungie doesn’t have remotely enough content to justify time gating. I get what your saying but your nuts if you think people should wait 4 months for an hour worth of story content.
There is so little content to timegate, and so little meaningful content in destiny at the moment that logging on every tuesday for about an hour of gameplay then forced to wait another week is just boring and slow and leads to major burnout for a lot of people. Get rid of timegating, let people go through it at their own pace. If you want to do one mission a week then go ahead, but let other people just blaze through all 4 missions and all 20 "talk to Eido" steps so they can be done with the episode and not feel chained to the game for the rest of the month.
@@marshallman402 if you finish d2 content in an hour you are the problem slow down or play something else dawg I slow roll every season and don't engage with fomo
@@manniebradley3768 what ?? If u don’t finish in an hour that is really a skill issue. The story this season was literally talking to a holoprojector than going to collect some material for tonics how in the world is that rushing. Why can’t u accept that there is simply not enough content in the game lol. Has nothing to do with fomo. People are clearly quitting the game so you can miss me with that fomo BS people could care less for the loot chase at this point. The people who are sticking around are trying to hold on to some hope that it will get better
@Fufenscoops tried for over an hour got nothing nobody wants to help when your a noob at raids and dungeons and im far from anti social ive helped others get through new content
@@gravyfiendI am solo player too I learned all raids and dungeons and I have all master raids done with all adepts weapons on mine arsenal everything was done tru lfg and made so many good friends and mine English is bad lol but if you need help I can teach some stuff .
make everything doable right away and players whine theres nothing to do after day one. 'time-gate' it so it's a staggered release and they also whine that they don't want to wait. Bungie really can't win when the player base want the impossible.
so they make you play 2 matchmaking modes while the game dying and there low players also it hard to find a game.......do they even know what's happening to their game anymore?
can I be honest ??? U speak like every 3 videos that u upload like 3 in ONE ROW about stuff u talked about already sometimes even 5 times in a row it gets a bit boring and people keep watching ur videos lesser cause they see u have spoken bout it already and this will negatively effect ur sub count and stuff so take my advice and stop repeating uploading stuff u spoke about already
People said they wanted player housing or some ship stuff like Warframe has. So they gave us a feature that they’re gonna sell already removed from the game 5 years ago. Apathy
you love to spread leaks as evidence of something happeneing 🤣🤣 and the player numbers are low because there is no timegating anymore. thats the reason why timegating is pretty normal. so take that downvote again
Another week, another drama :P
Of course, nothing new. Complainers doing what they do best.... complain
@@spritesforpeeps”they just word it like a child”
You sir/ madam are correct. Case in point: Releasing/ making available 3 weeks worth of content in 1 day.
While D1 Armsday had it's highs and lows it provided a nice cadence for the week. Tuesday reset, Wednesday Armsdays, Thursday TWID, Friday Trials. Each of these had varying reasons to turn in or log in but it was something to keep the interest there.
You forgot xur
A shooting range to test damage numbers instead of a lost sector would be nice
We need content not gun testing lol
Have you heard of.... The Enclave?
@@deejayy8303 they're just saying in terms of QoL, it wouldn't be hard to include WITH more content, kind of how the vault being integrated was
Yeah, like some test dummy enemies of different types and stuff. And maybe also make it a nice place to put some trophies or like, tributes or something I guess. some sort of tribute hall thing, that would be so cool.
@@Dhjdidndbbehhsbbehr The enclave is bare bones when compared to the Menagerie, as it always will be. All you can do in that shooting range is test what flat damage weapons do, body shot and headshot. The disks do not proc perks associated with headshots or body shots and they do not get debuffed as far as I'm aware. As it stands, you get better and more accurate results in a lost sector than from those disks.
edit: When I said Menagerie, I meant the Tribute Hall. Woops.
I feel like the power creep in the game has sort of outpaced foundry weapons. It's very rare to see a really good basic foundry weapon that performs better than some of the fantastical or unique raid/dungeon weapons, in looks and perks.
Timegate a timegated quest with timegated objectives, new leak for frontiers it's called destiny players timegate
Official expansion title revealed lol
You must be new here
@@The_Reaper101 nope been playing since d1 release I know all too well the pain
@@kaiba444 at least it’s not to long for Friday. 😂
I don't mind people leaving useless comments like this, but I would appreciate it if u go make a game and do better with unlimited content, no time gate, etc
Intro threw me for a loop ngl.
I had to rewind to make sure I heard it correctly.
I was just about to comment about this
Getting ready for a Suros DIS-47, now that these rumors are here. And I do hope we get _The Tribute Hall_ back, it was such a convenient place... I doubt we'd get _Menagerie_ with it but one can hope; with the explanation of a left-over Robot Calus like the Warden in PoE.
A Tower shooting range is promising though.
I had the stupid idea to test which primary can kill a overload without stunning it, in a grandmaster
TIL, his name is Houndish!
Useful content for sure!
5:25
D1 Titans: “Don’t do that, don’t give me hope.”
Guys we’ll get the shader in ~48h. You can wait
Some poeple in the community are two steps away from calling loading screens and server downtime timegating😂
I'm glad to know that I'm thinking about bringing back arms day or something weekly like this. Also, I hope that when this occurs, I will be able to detect two existing weapons of the same type and be able to disassemble them and reassemble them with the perks that I want from each weapon into one webin. It includes being able to upgrade or correct all weapons to the new system while so keeping their old burn and counter of how many targets had been killed.
Whoa, whoa, whoa….. what was that intro, bro?
Yeah dont let that happen again!!!
I just want my ringing nail back and to be able to enhance timelost weapons😩
A house would be cool it could be a space where seasonal trophies go after the season like the fish we worked so hard for a few seasons back or the vex stuff we collected in echo hell a vault room that has all are exotics on the wall
Speaking of armsday, banshee has a god roll gaheris-d this week
I hope that one of those changes is something to do with matchmaking
Seems possible for sure, hopefully!
I would really love to see Armsday come back!
Arms day return would be fantastic. Add in red borders to that pool, and players would have a reason to long back in. I know i missed out on potential for God roll craftables despite me always playing the game
I’m hoping this means Banshee will start offering MIDA, Tex, and Daito weapons now. And Ada offers Black Armory gear and weapons. These are the last four foundries we don’t have access to get weapons from. Player housing would be nice. There was plans for that, but they were scrapped due to money and the engine. While Warframe’s engine is more flexible, plus the way they built the game. It is nice to actually have the option to walk around a part of the City now. Actually feel for what you’re protecting as a Guardian.
Tried Running final checkpoint of Dungeon with Fireteam finder last night and the only 1 I was able to find was Vesper and none of us knew what the Hell we were supposed to be doing.😲 was hoping there would be a bunch of other people doing the quest but apparently not.
Do the bento tokens work on completing any dungeon??
@LCD04 I believe so.
Worked with Pit and Prophecy.
The dungeon has been out for months. The final encounter isn't hard to do. I had 2 randoms waste 30 minutes of my time until I left and got it done with another group in 20.
@LCD04 they work on the final encounter so any one will do
@@KingShibe thank you
Arms day is only exciting in a historical context because loot was actually rare.
A firing range will excite a small group of people, and is essentially again another feature we had that they’re gonna sell back to us again.
We wanted the game to evolve in frontiers bungie.
EVOLVE, not “bring back arms day and give them a crap shooting range in the tower”
Miss the tribute hall
good stuff and as always thanks for the info
I’ve never been close to the lighthouse, 3 wins is best I’ve ever done in all the years I’ve tried.
Hey houndish do you know what exotic catalysts we're getting if any during heresy
I agree they timegate a lil too much but the thing is, is it used to be a good thing people were excited to go and play trial on the weekend or for when xur comes etc… I remember just walking around the reef looking for a team to play trails and people would join just because it’s the time to play trials,
They already have adept weapons for people who cant go flawless. The problem is skill gaps. There are some people that cant hit a single bullet in a match.
Yep, I’m one of them 😂
Gaps for sure but also cheaters, stacks vs solos and carries.
Armsday coming back!!!!! Damn they breaking all the glasses must be bad 😅
Lets dig through the rainy day vault haha
Until we see age of triumph style armor ornaments and stuff there's still one glass left
I'm about to reach hard here. If arms day comes back does that mean First curse???
shooting range?
yessss finally
10 years waiting for this
we have a shooting range, it's called the enclave
The Enclave has a shooting range *, so that's been in the game since Witch Queen.
Edit: technically
yeah and thats terrible because it cant activate weapon perks so its impossible to see true dps thats why people use the grasp of avarice ogre
That intro.." what's up, guys, my name is houndish but you probably already know that"....intresting...houndish has been kidnapped by a robot believe nothing
Does anyone know if they fixed the issue with the golden hour emblem? I’m still waiting for it to show up in inventory lol
The reason why time gaining happens is probably due now that destiny has a very low population so they have to do these time Gates so these players can come back and keep the population high
Timegate and weightgate are so common these days
When does heresy launch?
I haven't played since the end of echos. Getting tired of the timegating
Bro, it's 2 fucking days, you can wait. You're probably the same player that complains that there is nothing to do when you blow through the content in 1 day.
First curse quest???
My shooting range is Crucible and public events. Save that area for vault space. 👍🏼
Seriously folks are peeved about waiting a couple of days? CHILL !!
I know I’ve already finished all 4 bounties from drifter …but have plenty to do sherpaing clan mates for their story mission needs
People just need a reason to complain😂
Arms day would be cool
btw did they change the weekly challenges? it was like 100+ but now we have 70 something? we didn't get new ones this reset btw
Yes. Basically they removed 2 weeks of challenges - 14 or 16 in total. I am not sure why tho.
@mavrodiev88 thank god! yeah i think they wanted people to focus on the bento event, that the only explanation
Hmm I think I’ve broke down all my gambit weapons …guess getting more 😂
Your name is Houdish? I didn't know that!
I’ve worked so hard to get good enough to go flawless, like over a year and I have only done it twice. If they start giving it away, I won’t have any reason to play it 🤷♂️
Shooting Range is too little too late. My goodness these devs are tone deaf
I’m reinstalling destiny 2 just for the shader and that hand cannon I farmed the hell out of it just to not get that roll ever
The only thing that would bring back a large chunk of the community would be an event/items not seen in years that have a nassive wave of nostalgia backing them. SRL for example
Bungie relying on nostalgia at this point 😂
Timegating sucks ass, a shooting range would be sick, Arms day sucks tho weapons are so pointless in destiny now in this abilities spam meta
Players hate both time gating and not time gating.
ARMS DAY!?!
Apparently =D
@@xHOUNDISHx I hope my favorite weapons from arms day returns 😁
I don’t think timegating is the issue. I think as a society we want EVERYTHING and we want it NOW. Like the old DK album “Give Me Convenience, or Give Me Death”. At least in Merica, Spoiled ass society. Don’t get me wrong, I sure as hell enjoy these perks, just like anyone, but I also still have a moticum of patience about me, and a sense of doing something that wasn’t just “handed” to me.
Although we live in a more fast and ready now society quality still remains king. If what your were saying was the only truth than people wouldn’t be waiting 12 plus years for gta 6. The problem with destiny is that it just has never delivered an A+ drop to satisfy peoples craving and keep people excited to wait. When a product on most occasions is below average/average it’s going to be very difficult to hope people can remain patient considering the reason they are rushing to begin with is to see if things will actually improve so that they can either decide to stay with the franchise or move on. GTA 5 servers are still busy to this day and it came out before even destiny 1, and that’s because it’s a game that’s shown dedication to its core fan base. So even though people want the next game in the series they will still honor the one they have because it was built with a great deal of pride and consideration, something we can’t say about bungie at this point in time nor really ever unless we’re talking about the halo days.
Yeah I’m not too upset on the time gating. We got pretty good loot that may take a few hours to earn and as someone who works full-time, it gives me something to chase in the coming days for the additional bento tokens.
There is a shooting range at the forge on mars
@@kabukigamer5977 can’t even proc weapon perks on those little checker pieces
@purewhiteloverbizarrejelly fair
No what’s up guys houndish here that’s really odd you ok man?
I'm still waiting to hear how much Frontiers Will cost..... hopedully half as much
Changing trials to not be flawless or nothing isn’t gonna end well lol.
To think if the fan boys are greatly concerned about player counts wait until Heresy comes to a close...that's the last episode for the Final Shape Light/Dark saga...the end for majority of the Destiny franchise player base 😂😂😂
Why are we not getting skimmers? Why keep the sparrows?🤷♂️
Skimmers are desirable enough that it might be worth keeping them scarce, so that when they make it a gambit rank 16 reward, we might actually play😛
Trials would be nice if it wasn't flawless anymore it's not fun for the casual player
Then there would be no point of a challenge, and any braindead player can go to the lighthouse, BUT, atp, bungie might as well since the game is dying
Ah, so just take out the entire point of trials. Got it, just turn it into regular crucible
Hell yea
They can add all this crap yet they can't show a live damage counter instead of wiping every fcking time to see how much damage you did....
Don't we already have a shooting range in the enclave already
More of less, I guess this would be more in depth in some capacity!
@xHOUNDISHx would like to see more guns from the past get some catalysts and maybe even a few more exotics from d1
The enclave range doesn't have any actual enemies, and doesn't proc like 90% of weapon perks like bait and switch, or have any way to actually test your dps accurately, doesn't have smaller targets to test accuracy on, that kinda shiz,
@@spritesforpeeps I mean true but they could just implement that sorta thing to it in my opinion. Why make an entirely new place just for a range when there's already 1 there makes no sense
@UwUchibixwe already had a shooting range where you could spawn targets.
People paid for it, and also paid with bright dust to build it up.
They removed it from the game.
Now they’re gonna do a slightly similar uninspired version of that and sell it to you guys who didn’t play the last one.
Also as far as content goes, it’s about 5 minutes of actual fun
I am so sick of hearing people whine about timegating... if it was a daily thing I could understand but plenty of games do it, it's not something new and it isn't that fucking bad. I honestly want them to keep it just because of how ignorant and impatient people can be. How hard is it to just not be a coward? Just play the game, if you don't like it that much go away. If you could fly through it y'all would be bitching that now you have nothing to do.
Impatient is the key word. I think sometimes waiting leads to less burnout because your not constantly balls deep in the game.
Bungie doesn’t have remotely enough content to justify time gating. I get what your saying but your nuts if you think people should wait 4 months for an hour worth of story content.
There is so little content to timegate, and so little meaningful content in destiny at the moment that logging on every tuesday for about an hour of gameplay then forced to wait another week is just boring and slow and leads to major burnout for a lot of people. Get rid of timegating, let people go through it at their own pace. If you want to do one mission a week then go ahead, but let other people just blaze through all 4 missions and all 20 "talk to Eido" steps so they can be done with the episode and not feel chained to the game for the rest of the month.
@@marshallman402 if you finish d2 content in an hour you are the problem slow down or play something else dawg I slow roll every season and don't engage with fomo
@@manniebradley3768 what ?? If u don’t finish in an hour that is really a skill issue. The story this season was literally talking to a holoprojector than going to collect some material for tonics how in the world is that rushing. Why can’t u accept that there is simply not enough content in the game lol. Has nothing to do with fomo. People are clearly quitting the game so you can miss me with that fomo BS people could care less for the loot chase at this point. The people who are sticking around are trying to hold on to some hope that it will get better
Hello 👋
Bento sucks for solo players that dont do dungeons and raids
lfg, stop being anti social.
@Fufenscoops tried for over an hour got nothing nobody wants to help when your a noob at raids and dungeons and im far from anti social ive helped others get through new content
@@gravyfiendI am solo player too I learned all raids and dungeons and I have all master raids done with all adepts weapons on mine arsenal everything was done tru lfg and made so many good friends and mine English is bad lol but if you need help I can teach some stuff .
IS THAT A DIFFERENT INTRO? IN MY HOUNDISH VIDEO? GREAT SCOTT, IT MUST BE TERRIBLE NEWS!
Who diz guy? ;)
Please no more broken content
Bro thinks he's byf with the intro
Lol
Houndish doesn't look like a recently divorced soccer mom like byf though.
They’re not the same guy!?
@@Ncogniigrodifference between being punny and being insulting. Do better little light
@@B3lmontsaga aww. It's OK. Maybe one day you'll grow balls.
make everything doable right away and players whine theres nothing to do after day one.
'time-gate' it so it's a staggered release and they also whine that they don't want to wait.
Bungie really can't win when the player base want the impossible.
welcome to destiny!
Go to The Enclave...we have a shooting range!
Woah. New intro threw me off.
I have a bwc
Tomorrow.
so they make you play 2 matchmaking modes while the game dying and there low players also it hard to find a game.......do they even know what's happening to their game anymore?
It still takes zero time whatsoever to set up a Gambit match lmao, I got qued in in like 5 seconds.
@0five-three you're right there but it took me 3-5 mins to find a game
@@K-Murphy at that point get good I guess,(joke) playlist activities are still pretty populated this time of week
can I be honest ??? U speak like every 3 videos that u upload like 3 in ONE ROW about stuff u talked about already sometimes even 5 times in a row it gets a bit boring and people keep watching ur videos lesser cause they see u have spoken bout it already and this will negatively effect ur sub count and stuff so take my advice and stop repeating uploading stuff u spoke about already
They're gonna do what they've always done with D2 put hours of useless stuff for difficult objectives and charge us nore for it I'm ready to leave man
Its gonna be sad when destiny Rising ends up killing d2 because they give a shit more
People, shut up about player housing.
more pointless shit being added
People said they wanted player housing or some ship stuff like Warframe has.
So they gave us a feature that they’re gonna sell already removed from the game 5 years ago.
Apathy
You people need patience!
Oh no! You have to wait till Friday for a shader! Chill tf out.
This so called armstice armor is a joke
The players don’t enjoy anything. The worst part about destiny are a lot of these “players”
bro we have a shooting range called the enclave
Enclave is awful
They getting desperate now
It's over. If it dies...it dies.
We got beef with Chinese I won’t be celebrating that thank u
you love to spread leaks as evidence of something happeneing 🤣🤣 and the player numbers are low because there is no timegating anymore. thats the reason why timegating is pretty normal. so take that downvote again
where is the free weekly bright dust for the last month of this season
time gating is just a lazy form of design made to force players to return at a later date and thats just sad