Not many actors could portray a character as central as John Locke was to Lost for five seasons, then turn around and immediately play a different character on the same show, and be entirely convincing about this being a different person.
@@aquadonkey. not until jack brought locke's body in a coffin The mib has been studying him ever since walkabout. He judged john as manipulatable so let him go and gave up the boar
Dude was basically walking around with every hack possible from invulnerability to immortality to mind reading to shapeshifting. Lost to a Protector of the Island who had the job for less than an hour.
He had his abilities taken away. He spent year dwindling the candidates and tried to take the last 6 out All at once so Jacob couldn't name a successor. But when that plan failed and they were on to him, he got impatient and instead of finding a loophole just turned off the rules and run for it.
I feel that he/it was getting desperate when the taste of freedom after so long was so close. What wouldn't you do if you were trapped for ages on the Island and finally had a taste of freedom? Of course you would risk it
@@victorpradha9946 Except for the training with Yoda and all the time between then and turning up on Tattooine to rescue Han: so not very similar at all
“I know what it’s like to feel joy”, himself playing that weird game with Jacob. “Anger”, arguing with Jacob about leaving the island. “Fear”, when he realized that he couldn’t leave. “To experience betrayal”, when his mother killed all in his human camp. “I know what it’s like to lose someone you love”, his mother dying in his hands.
But is it really MiB, or some dark energy that is inextricably bound to the Light in the Source a at the heart of the island that believes itself to be MiB?
Multiple people ask Smokey what he is and every time he gives a vague, indeterminate answer... I suspect he actually has no idea what he is and can't answer the question, so he maintains his position of power by deflecting with mystification.
It's an energy field...a formless, shapeless, entity that has the ability to mirror/mimic anything but because of Jacob tossing his brother into the Source, came to believe itself to be a disembodied human consciousness...carrying resentments and grievances and personal distaste for humans and vengefulness against Jacob and a pathological desire to leave the Island for at least nearly two millennia. The smoke thing was never human, but believes that it was.
He knew he used to be a man, he knows he is Jacobs brother and he knows they both had the same mother - who killed all the other people on the island he was living with (from the shipwreck). he knew Jacob threw him into the lightsource and that turned him into smokey. The answer would be - i am the consciousness ripped from the body of a man who was born here 1000s of years ago - a woman who lived here murdered my real mother and brought up my brother and me as her own, lied to us, told is there was nothing other than the island, then we found out the truth. I left to live with the survivors of the shipwreck that brought my real mother here. They were close to finding a way off the island - so the woman literally murdered all of them when she found out. Then in a rage i killed her for that and my brother killed me - and it turned me into this. I feel bad for smokey and Jacob is a dick for doing that to him. He did nothing wrong, he was just born on the island - his mother was murdered by the first smokey who kidnapped them both and lied to them. He found out, left to live with some non smokey non abusive humans. Then they all got murdered and he was given an eternal living hell as smokey - bit harsh.
That would be a very tragic read of the finale. I think Smokey was never really Jacob's brother...just Jacob's brother's full consciousness imprinting on a disembodied energy field that is the Smoke Monster. It then believed and felt that it was human, felt Jacob's brother's yearning to leave the Island...took on his disdain for humanity and his personal loathing of Jacob.
@@victorpradha9946absolute reach brother. Calm down. Don’t over read & create plot points. Their mother clearly had twins, if he was not real it only would have shown Jacob’s birth & then introduce MiB after to hint he’s not real…. But him being born forces him to be a real tangible person.
A very great scene because it makes you think about a previous conversation with Sawyer and Locke. Do not like the smoke monster, appreciate Jack Guarding the island
This scene says a lot: 1. Young Jacob reminded Flocke, he is not allowed to kill sawyer' you know the rules' - meaning the candidates for jacobs succession. Then richard warned sawyer, flocke would kill all people he loves. When they walked together, sawyer told the story of mice and men, who parallels his situation with flocke: Flocke ( george) is on the road with sawyer (lenny) and promised him to show him s.th. he wished, then shot him down. 2.So sawyer aimed his gun on flocke and asked him' what are you? ' Flocke said: I'm trapped/ prisoner and maybe you can understand that. Bc. sawyer was in prison too for several times as criminal, then on the island, then as dharma member, lying and hiding his real name and character for survive.
@@verenamenzel4701 this is also a throwback to when Ben brought up "Of Mice and Men" to Sawyer. And told him he worked so hard to make Kate think he didn't care. And how "a guy goes nuts if he don't have nobody. Don't matter who the 'guy' is, long as he's 'with you'". Perhaps this refers to Juliet, who he will 'play house' with out of loneliness (he told Kate he was with Juliet because he didn't want to be alone). Then, when he brings up the betrayal of Lenny to Locke, he may also be referring to Juliet. He promised her a future, but in the end he betrayed her with his love for Kate and she died because of it.
@@bertramsey the quote of ben was related to sawyer and kate. This talk above means for me, that sawyer wanted to warn locke, that he would not be easy to fool. Bc a few minutes before richard warned sawyer and after sawyer talked about the book, he pointed his gun on mib: ' it was no happy end', bc. Lenny was killed.
I never considered MiB to be a badguy when I watched the series. I saw Jacob as the tyrant imprisoning people on the island putting them through all these trials and dying all to kill some guy we are only told is bad but never really given any clear indication that he is bad keeping in mind this man has been trapped on the island by Jacob for thousands of years and can't even die and all he wants is to leave.
@@OGTH-camEnjoyer He didn't want to off the MIB for wanting to leave the island, he offed the MIB out of rage for the MIB killing their "mother". Also we ARE given clear indications that he's bad. He's a liar and a manipulator
This shows ultimate tragedy was that it had nothing resembling a coherent story while simultaneously having some of the best character development and acting ever seen on television.
This show had a much more coherent story than most of the other "supernatural long form"(my term lol)shows like Twin Peaks, X-Files, etc, it definitely lapsed at points but overall it held it together better than most
@@Tony-fq5bn No it didn't, the ending betrayed the fact that they were just stringing things along and had no idea where shit was going the whole time. Like the person you replied to said, everything about this show, week to week, is great, from the direction, to the cinematography, to the score, to the cast, to the dialogue. But the overarching mythology is just goofy bullshit and that's the show runners' fault. X-Files and Twin Peaks had more structural integrity, because they committed to being vague. Vague would have been an improvement for Lost. Rather than going for vague and mysterious, they went for the "answer as much as we can in 18 final episodes" thing, and most of the answers were dumb bullshit because they didn't actually plan it out in a way that made sense faithfully to the first 5 seasons of the show.
@@terracottapie Nonsense lost was and still is the best series there is to me. All personal opinion but why comment on something you don't like. The X files to me is weirdo shit, I don't watch videos and comment about it 😂
@@jake.l2307 I didn't say I didn't like it. I said it was a great show, that was ruined by a bullshit over-arching mythology that made no sense. I always tell people, if you want to start watching Lost, just quit after Season 5 and pretend the show got canceled, then make up your own ending in your mind. And you'll love it.
@@Pksoze i dont get why people think his evil btw, the flash back of his childhood is messed up, his mom got killed and he was taken away from her, and when he told jacob the truth he got beat up, then later his adopted mother killed all his people and then jacob turned him into the smoke monster then he gets killed.i honestly feel bad for him
I feel bad for smokey/mib - all he did was get born on the island, his real mother was murdered by the first smokey, she brought him and Jacob up as her own and lied to them about everything. She was an abusive, narcissist who manipulated two children and was a terrible fake parent. When mib found the other survivors of the shipwreck his mother was on he found out the truth and was understandably livid. But all he did was leave and go and live with normal humans and call out smokey number 1 for the monster she was. She then murdered all the other survivors, so you have an abused child - who had a chance for a normal ish life then to have that ripped away as well. His reaction is understandable - and what happens? He is turned into a smoke monster, ripped from his body, to spend eternity without death or life trapped on the island. What a horrible thing to happen to a person - i feel he is the real victim. Jacob had the choice to leave or stay with smokey number 1, jacob told smokey 1 that the shipwreck survivors were planning to leave the island which led to their murders and mib getting turned in smokey2. Smokey 1 is the true villain, Jacob was a dick but he was also completely messed up by the fake mother/ smokey 1.
Convincing on both fronts. Ya almost wanna feel bad for the smoke monster. Imagine that though, having face to face insight with Lucifer Satan. To hearing his side of what happened all those years ago. What would he look like? There is a comical aspect of the show Locke pulls off well.
He was an antagonist because he just only wanted to left the island but Jacob didn't let him for thousands of years. Why he didn't? Well, not because MIB was "devil" or else. The true reason why Jacob didn't let him was because Jacob was selfish and coward, he didn't want to stuck on the island to the eternity without his brother MIB.
Yes, he was evil. He wanted to put out the light at the heart of the island, which would have destroyed who knows what, maybe the entire world? Lol its left up to our imaginations, but it's pretty obvious that he's not a nice character. Besides of course, also being the smoke monster.
@@WhatDoYouWant92 No the real reason why he couldn't leave the island was because he was immortal just like his brother. And an immortal man unleashed on the world could only lead to destruction. Just think about it, given enough time, he could amass enough wealth to rule the whole planet and control humanity as he saw fit. It wouldn't be a maybe, it would be an inevitability, whether it took 500 years or 1000 years. While MIB wasn't the devil, he was a very manipulative and hateful person, even from the start as a kid. Then he put literally life and existence itself in jeopardy when he tries to get to the light source and manipulate it, and that's when his mother tried to kill him. So yes he has been "wronged", but he also deserved it. The light they were protecting was literally the reason for existence and life itself, the mother even explained it: There's a tiny bit of it in every man, but if people came to tamper with it, the light could go out, and it would be darkness everywhere. So MIB's problem was that he couldn't leave well enough alone. Then after their fight and Jacob accidentally threw him in the river where he hit his head and got sucked into the light and got spit back out as the smoke monster. At that point, MIB really couldn't be allowed to leave. And Jacob felt guilty for accidentally turning him into that, but knew that MIB was even more of a threat. But that's what the smoke monster was, when MIB went into the light, he extinguished part of it, and rather than there being an absence of light, like darkness, the absence of light was actually a tangible thing, like positive energy vs negative energy. If the light got extinguished, the whole universe would basically cease to exist and turn into a dark stormy cloud that looks like the smoke monster.
Was MIB truly the bad guy, even in his younger days all he wanted was to simply leave the island. It was jacob made him the monster, and then stopped him from leaving. Over a millenia that would drive anyone to despair
Every great villain believes themself to be the ‘good guy’. The same goes for the MIB. The circumstances that his mother put him under make him the victim but he ultimately decided to murder her in revenge. And after that point, he did everything that he possibly could to corrupt others. Jacob isnt flawless either but at least he can admit to that, which is something MIB never does. Admitting one’s flaws is usually a hallmark of ‘good’, whereas being blinded by one’s own situation and being stubborn in playing the victim is a hallmark of ‘evil’. I would say that Jacob us definitely the good guy, he just made a mistake and then lived the rest of his life in trying to make it right, however he could.
MIB was normal guy longing for leaving the island... But he died aeons ago, when Jacob throw him into the light in the heart of island... This is simply black smoke monster that took his form and memories... And leaving the island was their common wish, so monster sticks to it... If MIB didn't die... Jacob would eventually let him leave, probably... But this isn't his brother, it is smoke monster... Keep that in mind...
MiB was pathological. He lived among humans as one of them and only saw them all as a means to an end and didn't care one iota when they were slaughtered except for their slaughter messing up his game. He from the get go was quite at ease with lying and keeping secrets and recruiting others to maintain his lies and secrets long before being tossed into the Source.
yes but sadly Jacob had no choice , if he let the mib go the whole of all existence will cease , the mib is like a baby attached to a umbilical cord and if the baby cuts that cord the mother dies the mother being the light in the island
@@ProfessorH.JFarnsworth How do we know "all of existence will cease" if MiB leaves the Island, other than because Jacob claims that this is so? Jacob is an unreliable narrator (he's a selfish, manipulative, isolated baby who is unknowledgeable about the way the world works).
It should be the other way around dude, high school is prison. They keep you locked in for four years and once you graduate you can do whatever the hell you want
Yeah should be the opposite, the prison and after the freedom if you feel like that maybe is because you have your own prison not an environment of prison like the high school
@@power2084 You can get the show in good quality by buying it. This is free shit being handed to you, so the ethics of complaining about it are suspect. It would be like getting a birthday gift, sniffing it, and throwing it back at the gift-giver.
Okay, just occurred to me. How did Smokey learn to read? When he inhabited others was he able to take those skills? If so, could he do surgery because he inhabited Christian Shepherd? By the way, does anybody think that when John Locke awoke in the flash sideways, he knew that the man in black had inhabited his body?
I always liked to imagine that Locke knew, because of how he thanked jack when he remembered in the afterlife. Almost as if he was thanking him for both the surgery and for killing Smokey
Also id imagine he’s been alive for centuries. So had time to self teach or make someone else show you. I mean dudes been alive since Richard was in the 1700’s Spanish slave ship.
@@majipoorcat I wonder. It can mimic anyone. Sound like them, move like them. look like them. Maybe it can do what they can do. Remember, Smokey by himself was going to sail way. When did he learn to sail when he never could leave the Island?
This is what happens when writers love a character too much. Locke was dead but they had to keep the actor in there somehow and they forced this whole ridiculous plotline.
You may not have liked the scenes with Locke/Monster, but thematically, it was genius. Locke was the man of faith and Jack the man of reason, and it was only logical that the Devil/Monster would take the appearance of Locke by the time Jack had become the man of faith himself, so that Jack had an extra motivation to fight the Monster, which is the fact that he was twisting and corrupting what Locke once stood for. It's just great dramatic irony. You have every right to not like the scenes, but if you don't get the dramatic irony of having Jack becoming the man of faith he always blamed Locke for being, and then having him face off a representation of the Devil taking the shape of Locke, maybe you just didn't look close enough at what this show was all about.
The writers clearly planned this storyline for Locke for years. The smoke monster taking the form of Locke, manipulating the castaways and fighting against Jack is the greatest thing I have ever seen on TV.
@@Kiluei lol you're full of BS. They did indeed plan. But, what standard do you think is good for writers, should they be expected to write an entire series for the number of episodes and plot lines and characters that lost had, write it all out before they even get a commitment to go for the number of episodes or seasons that they had? If you expect that, you don't know much about the entertainment business.
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![LOST: Desmond and Locke/MiB at Bernard and Rose's cabin [6x17-18-The End]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/TCIqKc8xeNg/mqdefault.jpg)
Not many actors could portray a character as central as John Locke was to Lost for five seasons, then turn around and immediately play a different character on the same show, and be entirely convincing about this being a different person.
Locke's actor was really good as the man in black. I'm literally trying to remind myself that it's the same guy that played Locke.
I do not, because I thought there's always a little bit Locke in him.
Wasnt the mib locke like literally the entire time?? Im faiy sure the real locke died in the plane crash, the mib immediately took over
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@@aquadonkey. not until jack brought locke's body in a coffin
The mib has been studying him ever since walkabout. He judged john as manipulatable so let him go and gave up the boar
@@aquadonkey. no
I love the brief look of incredulity on Sawyer’s face when “Locke” says, “A little after my time.”
What does incredulity mean....I looked it up and still didn't get it, I got something about being incredulous?
@@alikhan-uh3sq disbelief. In other words, he looks at him like: After your time?! It’s an old book!
@@ATMyles ...so like it's unbelievable?
@@alikhan-uh3sq- Correct
@@snicker12 thank you
Dude was basically walking around with every hack possible from invulnerability to immortality to mind reading to shapeshifting. Lost to a Protector of the Island who had the job for less than an hour.
Luke Skywalker turned Vader back from the Dark Side in almost the same timeframe.
@@victorpradha9946 Damn
He had his abilities taken away. He spent year dwindling the candidates and tried to take the last 6 out All at once so Jacob couldn't name a successor. But when that plan failed and they were on to him, he got impatient and instead of finding a loophole just turned off the rules and run for it.
I feel that he/it was getting desperate when the taste of freedom after so long was so close. What wouldn't you do if you were trapped for ages on the Island and finally had a taste of freedom? Of course you would risk it
@@victorpradha9946 Except for the training with Yoda and all the time between then and turning up on Tattooine to rescue Han: so not very similar at all
0:53 "Why don't we find out?" This has to be one of the funniest/cockiest reactions I've ever seen
Lost has thousands of great scenes. Lowkey, this may be a dark horse candidate for my favorite.
He perfectly mirrors Titus Welliver's pattern of speech and facial expressions
“I know what it’s like to feel joy”, himself playing that weird game with Jacob. “Anger”, arguing with Jacob about leaving the island. “Fear”, when he realized that he couldn’t leave. “To experience betrayal”, when his mother killed all in his human camp. “I know what it’s like to lose someone you love”, his mother dying in his hands.
But is it really MiB, or some dark energy that is inextricably bound to the Light in the Source a at the heart of the island that believes itself to be MiB?
@@victorpradha9946he is the MiB
MiB wasn't the villain. It was his crazy "mother".
Love that sarcastic/IDGAF I'm a thousand years old, response that Locke/MIB gives ''Well that doesn't sound like a happy ending'' lmao
"Of mice and men" was a sad story.
Later, when Kate shoots the monster repeatedly, with absolutely no effect, I think that's the only time we can see true fear in Sawyer's face.
I like these 2 they are so funny together love it
Multiple people ask Smokey what he is and every time he gives a vague, indeterminate answer... I suspect he actually has no idea what he is and can't answer the question, so he maintains his position of power by deflecting with mystification.
It would still be in a position of power even if he said he didn’t know
I kinda liked the answer he gave Ben. “I’m not a ‘what,’ I’m a ‘who.’” Like he was offended at the idea of being something other than human.
The writers of the show were just lazy to explore on the matter, so they kept adding mysteries and never took time to explain none of them
It's an energy field...a formless, shapeless, entity that has the ability to mirror/mimic anything but because of Jacob tossing his brother into the Source, came to believe itself to be a disembodied human consciousness...carrying resentments and grievances and personal distaste for humans and vengefulness against Jacob and a pathological desire to leave the Island for at least nearly two millennia. The smoke thing was never human, but believes that it was.
He knew he used to be a man, he knows he is Jacobs brother and he knows they both had the same mother - who killed all the other people on the island he was living with (from the shipwreck). he knew Jacob threw him into the lightsource and that turned him into smokey. The answer would be - i am the consciousness ripped from the body of a man who was born here 1000s of years ago - a woman who lived here murdered my real mother and brought up my brother and me as her own, lied to us, told is there was nothing other than the island, then we found out the truth. I left to live with the survivors of the shipwreck that brought my real mother here. They were close to finding a way off the island - so the woman literally murdered all of them when she found out. Then in a rage i killed her for that and my brother killed me - and it turned me into this.
I feel bad for smokey and Jacob is a dick for doing that to him. He did nothing wrong, he was just born on the island - his mother was murdered by the first smokey who kidnapped them both and lied to them. He found out, left to live with some non smokey non abusive humans. Then they all got murdered and he was given an eternal living hell as smokey - bit harsh.
I think the whole plot is about saving the MIB from his inhuman damnation situation that his brother, Jacob, erroneously condemned him.
That would be a very tragic read of the finale. I think Smokey was never really Jacob's brother...just Jacob's brother's full consciousness imprinting on a disembodied energy field that is the Smoke Monster. It then believed and felt that it was human, felt Jacob's brother's yearning to leave the Island...took on his disdain for humanity and his personal loathing of Jacob.
@@victorpradha9946absolute reach brother. Calm down. Don’t over read & create plot points. Their mother clearly had twins, if he was not real it only would have shown Jacob’s birth & then introduce MiB after to hint he’s not real….
But him being born forces him to be a real tangible person.
A very great scene because it makes you think about a previous conversation with Sawyer and Locke. Do not like the smoke monster, appreciate Jack Guarding the island
This scene says a lot: 1. Young Jacob reminded Flocke, he is not allowed to kill sawyer' you know the rules' - meaning the candidates for jacobs succession. Then richard warned sawyer, flocke would kill all people he loves. When they walked together, sawyer told the story of mice and men, who parallels his situation with flocke: Flocke ( george) is on the road with sawyer (lenny) and promised him to show him s.th. he wished, then shot him down. 2.So sawyer aimed his gun on flocke and asked him' what are you? ' Flocke said: I'm trapped/ prisoner and maybe you can understand that. Bc. sawyer was in prison too for several times as criminal, then on the island, then as dharma member, lying and hiding his real name and character for survive.
@@verenamenzel4701 this is also a throwback to when Ben brought up "Of Mice and Men" to Sawyer. And told him he worked so hard to make Kate think he didn't care. And how "a guy goes nuts if he don't have nobody. Don't matter who the 'guy' is, long as he's 'with you'". Perhaps this refers to Juliet, who he will 'play house' with out of loneliness (he told Kate he was with Juliet because he didn't want to be alone). Then, when he brings up the betrayal of Lenny to Locke, he may also be referring to Juliet. He promised her a future, but in the end he betrayed her with his love for Kate and she died because of it.
@@bertramsey the quote of ben was related to sawyer and kate. This talk above means for me, that sawyer wanted to warn locke, that he would not be easy to fool. Bc a few minutes before richard warned sawyer and after sawyer talked about the book, he pointed his gun on mib: ' it was no happy end', bc. Lenny was killed.
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Mice and Men LOl
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whats funny about that, did't read it
I never considered MiB to be a badguy when I watched the series. I saw Jacob as the tyrant imprisoning people on the island putting them through all these trials and dying all to kill some guy we are only told is bad but never really given any clear indication that he is bad keeping in mind this man has been trapped on the island by Jacob for thousands of years and can't even die and all he wants is to leave.
Did you think he was a good guy when he convinced everyone to get on a submarine with a time bomb in it?
@@Zealant Is Jacob a good guy for trying to off the MiB for wanting to leave the island ultimately turning him into the smoke monster?
he's wearing black clothes tho
@@OGTH-camEnjoyer He didn't want to off the MIB for wanting to leave the island, he offed the MIB out of rage for the MIB killing their "mother". Also we ARE given clear indications that he's bad. He's a liar and a manipulator
@SaltLife I don't recall anywhere in the series where he states that. Besides the lying psychopath Jacob saying it.
This shows ultimate tragedy was that it had nothing resembling a coherent story while simultaneously having some of the best character development and acting ever seen on television.
This show had a much more coherent story than most of the other "supernatural long form"(my term lol)shows like Twin Peaks, X-Files, etc, it definitely lapsed at points but overall it held it together better than most
Yeah it was always about the characters development
@@Tony-fq5bn No it didn't, the ending betrayed the fact that they were just stringing things along and had no idea where shit was going the whole time.
Like the person you replied to said, everything about this show, week to week, is great, from the direction, to the cinematography, to the score, to the cast, to the dialogue. But the overarching mythology is just goofy bullshit and that's the show runners' fault.
X-Files and Twin Peaks had more structural integrity, because they committed to being vague. Vague would have been an improvement for Lost. Rather than going for vague and mysterious, they went for the "answer as much as we can in 18 final episodes" thing, and most of the answers were dumb bullshit because they didn't actually plan it out in a way that made sense faithfully to the first 5 seasons of the show.
@@terracottapie Nonsense lost was and still is the best series there is to me. All personal opinion but why comment on something you don't like. The X files to me is weirdo shit, I don't watch videos and comment about it 😂
@@jake.l2307 I didn't say I didn't like it. I said it was a great show, that was ruined by a bullshit over-arching mythology that made no sense.
I always tell people, if you want to start watching Lost, just quit after Season 5 and pretend the show got canceled, then make up your own ending in your mind. And you'll love it.
Terry O'Quinn should've won an Emmy
he's manipulating everybody in every scene
When you're immortal, I guess it comes easier. Oh and being stuck on one damned island for centuries. Lol
He is but he didn't say one lie...he is trapped, he did experience those emotions...or at least a version of him did.
@@Pksoze i dont get why people think his evil btw, the flash back of his childhood is messed up, his mom got killed and he was taken away from her, and when he told jacob the truth he got beat up, then later his adopted mother killed all his people and then jacob turned him into the smoke monster then he gets killed.i honestly feel bad for him
he didn’t manipulate sawyer
@@mr_drew. yes he did, did you watch the show? he was always after himself
I feel bad for smokey/mib - all he did was get born on the island, his real mother was murdered by the first smokey, she brought him and Jacob up as her own and lied to them about everything. She was an abusive, narcissist who manipulated two children and was a terrible fake parent. When mib found the other survivors of the shipwreck his mother was on he found out the truth and was understandably livid. But all he did was leave and go and live with normal humans and call out smokey number 1 for the monster she was. She then murdered all the other survivors, so you have an abused child - who had a chance for a normal ish life then to have that ripped away as well. His reaction is understandable - and what happens? He is turned into a smoke monster, ripped from his body, to spend eternity without death or life trapped on the island. What a horrible thing to happen to a person - i feel he is the real victim. Jacob had the choice to leave or stay with smokey number 1, jacob told smokey 1 that the shipwreck survivors were planning to leave the island which led to their murders and mib getting turned in smokey2. Smokey 1 is the true villain, Jacob was a dick but he was also completely messed up by the fake mother/ smokey 1.
Good read.
Finally someone gets it. The entire plot of lost is the deranged actions on lunatics shaman 😂
I really surprized this scene.
why what did you do? Jump out of one of the trees while they filmed it?
@@kssmith1491 sorry, ı don't mean.
@@untitledmaster04 I was only joking about I understand you may not be English
@@kssmith1491 How did you know?
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Convincing on both fronts. Ya almost wanna feel bad for the smoke monster. Imagine that though, having face to face insight with Lucifer Satan. To hearing his side of what happened all those years ago. What would he look like? There is a comical aspect of the show Locke pulls off well.
What? The smoker monster wasn't the devil, for fucks sake. He said that -once- to convince richard. He's just a guy that was trapped on the island.
Syndicate Operative but then what made him an Antagonist originally?
He was an antagonist because he just only wanted to left the island but Jacob didn't let him for thousands of years. Why he didn't? Well, not because MIB was "devil" or else. The true reason why Jacob didn't let him was because Jacob was selfish and coward, he didn't want to stuck on the island to the eternity without his brother MIB.
Yes, he was evil. He wanted to put out the light at the heart of the island, which would have destroyed who knows what, maybe the entire world? Lol its left up to our imaginations, but it's pretty obvious that he's not a nice character. Besides of course, also being the smoke monster.
@@WhatDoYouWant92 No the real reason why he couldn't leave the island was because he was immortal just like his brother. And an immortal man unleashed on the world could only lead to destruction. Just think about it, given enough time, he could amass enough wealth to rule the whole planet and control humanity as he saw fit. It wouldn't be a maybe, it would be an inevitability, whether it took 500 years or 1000 years. While MIB wasn't the devil, he was a very manipulative and hateful person, even from the start as a kid. Then he put literally life and existence itself in jeopardy when he tries to get to the light source and manipulate it, and that's when his mother tried to kill him. So yes he has been "wronged", but he also deserved it. The light they were protecting was literally the reason for existence and life itself, the mother even explained it: There's a tiny bit of it in every man, but if people came to tamper with it, the light could go out, and it would be darkness everywhere. So MIB's problem was that he couldn't leave well enough alone. Then after their fight and Jacob accidentally threw him in the river where he hit his head and got sucked into the light and got spit back out as the smoke monster. At that point, MIB really couldn't be allowed to leave. And Jacob felt guilty for accidentally turning him into that, but knew that MIB was even more of a threat. But that's what the smoke monster was, when MIB went into the light, he extinguished part of it, and rather than there being an absence of light, like darkness, the absence of light was actually a tangible thing, like positive energy vs negative energy. If the light got extinguished, the whole universe would basically cease to exist and turn into a dark stormy cloud that looks like the smoke monster.
The 2nd Of Mice and Men reference
lot of guns on gilligans island
Was MIB truly the bad guy, even in his younger days all he wanted was to simply leave the island. It was jacob made him the monster, and then stopped him from leaving. Over a millenia that would drive anyone to despair
Every great villain believes themself to be the ‘good guy’. The same goes for the MIB. The circumstances that his mother put him under make him the victim but he ultimately decided to murder her in revenge. And after that point, he did everything that he possibly could to corrupt others.
Jacob isnt flawless either but at least he can admit to that, which is something MIB never does.
Admitting one’s flaws is usually a hallmark of ‘good’, whereas being blinded by one’s own situation and being stubborn in playing the victim is a hallmark of ‘evil’.
I would say that Jacob us definitely the good guy, he just made a mistake and then lived the rest of his life in trying to make it right, however he could.
MIB was normal guy longing for leaving the island... But he died aeons ago, when Jacob throw him into the light in the heart of island... This is simply black smoke monster that took his form and memories... And leaving the island was their common wish, so monster sticks to it... If MIB didn't die... Jacob would eventually let him leave, probably... But this isn't his brother, it is smoke monster... Keep that in mind...
MiB was pathological. He lived among humans as one of them and only saw them all as a means to an end and didn't care one iota when they were slaughtered except for their slaughter messing up his game. He from the get go was quite at ease with lying and keeping secrets and recruiting others to maintain his lies and secrets long before being tossed into the Source.
yes but sadly Jacob had no choice , if he let the mib go the whole of all existence will cease , the mib is like a baby attached to a umbilical cord and if the baby cuts that cord the mother dies the mother being the light in the island
@@ProfessorH.JFarnsworth How do we know "all of existence will cease" if MiB leaves the Island, other than because Jacob claims that this is so? Jacob is an unreliable narrator (he's a selfish, manipulative, isolated baby who is unknowledgeable about the way the world works).
Damn now I wanna rewatch
I feel the same way. Past 6 years when I graduated from high school my life is like prison.
It should be the other way around dude, high school is prison. They keep you locked in for four years and once you graduate you can do whatever the hell you want
Yeah should be the opposite, the prison and after the freedom if you feel like that maybe is because you have your own prison not an environment of prison like the high school
It sounds like your just depressed dude not in prison
@M H lol so education is all bad?
@@arodisgod13 you think high school is bad, wait till the real world lol
I actually liked the actor more as MIB than as Locke
He is such a good actor I can’t recognise him
Kerry O'Twin.
I love Of Mice and Men!
So you are telling me the mab in black took the real locke appearance ? Ah ok
Yes. He even tells Ben "I'm sorry you had to see me like that" after appearing as the smoke monster and killing some of the Jacob dudes
Which episode is this?
The Substitute.
Locke was the man in black from the first episode....
Nope❕
360p ?? Seriously ??
old show i was 3 when it came out you should see the lost vids that were posted like 14 years ago literal pixels lol
Very demanding about entirely free copyrighted content being benevolently delivered into your lap free of charge by a stranger
@@terracottapie we have to be demanding, otherwise quality will fall. Besides, why are you against feedback ?
@@power2084 You can get the show in good quality by buying it. This is free shit being handed to you, so the ethics of complaining about it are suspect. It would be like getting a birthday gift, sniffing it, and throwing it back at the gift-giver.
@@terracottapie In will comment however I like, whenever I like, whether you like it or not.
Okay, just occurred to me. How did Smokey learn to read? When he inhabited others was he able to take those skills? If so, could he do surgery because he inhabited Christian Shepherd?
By the way, does anybody think that when John Locke awoke in the flash sideways, he knew that the man in black had inhabited his body?
I always liked to imagine that Locke knew, because of how he thanked jack when he remembered in the afterlife. Almost as if he was thanking him for both the surgery and for killing Smokey
Also id imagine he’s been alive for centuries. So had time to self teach or make someone else show you. I mean dudes been alive since Richard was in the 1700’s Spanish slave ship.
I think Smokey picks up stuff from those he scans. So that might include the ability to read etc.
@@victorpradha9946 so could he do surgery?
@@majipoorcat I wonder. It can mimic anyone. Sound like them, move like them. look like them. Maybe it can do what they can do. Remember, Smokey by himself was going to sail way. When did he learn to sail when he never could leave the Island?
Sure who doesn't'? Well .....
sawyer thicc
what is number episode
4 of 6 (The Substitute).
MIB es la persona más manipuladora de cualquier serie que haya visto, al igual que Ben Linus
Their real life character is different guys....just saying
Just saying what?
We all know that dumbass
It takes years of abusive corruption onto a persons soul before the true evil really sets in.
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This is what happens when writers love a character too much. Locke was dead but they had to keep the actor in there somehow and they forced this whole ridiculous plotline.
You may not have liked the scenes with Locke/Monster, but thematically, it was genius. Locke was the man of faith and Jack the man of reason, and it was only logical that the Devil/Monster would take the appearance of Locke by the time Jack had become the man of faith himself, so that Jack had an extra motivation to fight the Monster, which is the fact that he was twisting and corrupting what Locke once stood for. It's just great dramatic irony. You have every right to not like the scenes, but if you don't get the dramatic irony of having Jack becoming the man of faith he always blamed Locke for being, and then having him face off a representation of the Devil taking the shape of Locke, maybe you just didn't look close enough at what this show was all about.
The writers clearly planned this storyline for Locke for years. The smoke monster taking the form of Locke, manipulating the castaways and fighting against Jack is the greatest thing I have ever seen on TV.
It was planned
@@danielgray2661 They didn't plan shit for years.
@@Kiluei lol you're full of BS. They did indeed plan. But, what standard do you think is good for writers, should they be expected to write an entire series for the number of episodes and plot lines and characters that lost had, write it all out before they even get a commitment to go for the number of episodes or seasons that they had? If you expect that, you don't know much about the entertainment business.
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@@moonnaif524 don’t care
@@alzaeem9Oh, what do I care?