This stems from a deliberate in-world decission. Generations ago humanity faced a lot of problems with computers / AI (well mostly computers, as the concept of AI wasn't that prevalent of a thing in the 60' when the book was written). For one computers and those who can control computers gain a lot of power over a lot of people via their ability to control computers. Power leads to corruption - and yeah, a large population controled by a corrupt minority with access to tech... leads to problems. The other idea - which a lot of Dune revolves around - is that hardship creates harder folks, while comfort leads to stagnation or degeneration (again, this isn't really reflective of our reality, but it's a quite common sci-fi trope from that time.) So considering people leaving all the thinking to computers, leads to degneration over time - especially with the above mentioned corrupt elite in control. Long story short - those problems led to a pretty impactful uprising called 'Butlers Jihad' after one Serena Butler who lead the uprising - which resulted not only in the destruction of most 'thinking machines' but also fixated this distrust in complex technology in culture and even religion. It also gave rise to factions as the 'Mentats' which are basically human computers, ridicolously well trained logicians - like Thufir Hawat we see in the scene - and other human specialists. Basically - without the thinking machines humanities ability to train specialists to become supernatural thinkers, geneticists, physicians and so on is unlocked. And this leads to the low tech aesthetic which the movie brilliantly shows.
@@TheRealBatCave I'll be honest with you, Game of Thrones strategies are a bit shallow by Dune standards (though I love both). There is nothing to be done, the Emperor and House Harkonnen have already fully checkmated Atreades by the time this scene comes about. If Atreades refuse the imperial edict they are overtly resisting the emperor meaning they will be crushed by all the other houses. If they accept, it is knowingly falling into a trap. The best they can do is accept the edict and try to outplay whatever traps and schemes Harkonnen have in wait on Arrakis.
@@Bayard1503 It's more complicated than that. Harkonnen have deliberately sabotaged the spice mining capabilities so that Atreades cannot produce enough spice. All the clients who usually purchase the spice will direct their ire towards Atreades, the shortage will crreate a massive price spike which Harkonnen will exploit using their massive spice reserves. Hidden spies, traps and assassins have been left in the base to kill them too, plus a traitor to sabotage the shield generator. Their plan is practiaclly flawless, the only factor not accounted for is the Fremen, whose true numbers and skills are mostly unknown.
After the machine uprising and fall, they don't have any AI or computer-assisted equipment in that universe. Everything is calculated and forecast by living people or their modified versions/clones. Also, the universe has developed so deep that modern standards are mixed in sometimes very strange ways there. Old ways, like using scrolls or knifes, could be more efficient, whereas "modern" technology got outdated - like firearms made obsolete by inventing force field generators.
Chair design hasn't changed for a long time. Some tech just works perfectly. There is no need for more mechanization. If complicated things break they are harder to fix. War pushes tech-forward. Otherwise, we see apple pushing the same iPhone with minor changes every year. Even iPhone is not innovative. They crammed a lot of already existing tech into a smaller device.
Tradition. Also, in the original Dune movie, all technology and uniforms were designed to look the way that the future of technology was depicted in the 19th century.
Leto: is it Done?: subtext: would the Emperor support us and not set up a trap, is he satisfied with our loyalty Herald: it's Done subtext: No, death will come for you
Part of me likes to think the Herald just couldn't be bothered to read the whole scroll and just winged it after he opened it. Multiple paragraphs just smashed into like 8 seconds of, "You're running the planet now, don't screw up. I've got other places to be."
It’s like they all know what’ll happen. He knows he sees a dead man walking but what the hell can they do about it lol. It’s a beautiful and subtle scene. This movie was such a breath of fresh air
2:06 The herald's glance at the multiple paragraphs of terms and conditions followed by him swiftly wrapping that shit up instead because he doesn't have time fr this shit cracks me up.
I don't know how to think about how little several things were explained. On one hand - I had just finished the series shortly before watching the movie, so I could understand all the little details and I felt refreshed of NOT being bombarded with exposition, on the other hand, I feel people, not in the loop might get confused by a lot of concepts...
@@profet1385 It's not even 'glowing eyes' it's more of a fog like you see by some blind people. And generally the movie seems very gentle on exposition.
plus, rich people always like to look cool, and to show others that they can afford to look cool. I mean we all like to do that, but rich people can just afford to do it in STYLE :p
The emperor deliberatly made the deal a big thing with a lot of money spent to ensure that count Letos Atreides-Honor forces him to accept the deal. Everyone involved in this coup against Atreides knows why this deal was made. Even Leto knows it. Only thing the Atreides didnt know was the fact that the Sardaukar would be sent to help the Harkonnens Be
Liet Kyenes Because the fremen were cast as sub saharan african, North African, and Arab. Then a black liet doesn't stand out as an outsider enough. Also too young to be someone that has been on arrakis for decades.
@@sl600rt On the last point I will disagree. Spice has geriatric properties that extends life, while not granting immortality, human spice addicts were known to live half a millennium. If Kynes had come to Arrakis as a 40 year old woman, with the Spice being everywhere and in everything, then she could easily be 140 and not have aged much physically. I do agree however that since the Fremen were cast as Semitic and Arabic centric, something odd to that phenotype should have been called for to complete the translation, so someone of an Oriental(Chinese, Japanese or perhaps Mongolian) descent if they were so desperate to avoid casting a Caucasian.
@@sl600rt spice exposure extends lifespans. She's been around it long enough for the eye effect to take hold. Plus, as an imperial agent, I'm betting she gets good Healthcare. Remember, its 30,000+ years in the future. Human lifespans are not necessarily what they are today.
@@princessofthecape2078 Well... in Diune Shani was pretty much a background character (since Herbert follow standard cliche for his times where women were presented either as damsels in distress, minor characters or just... WERE THERE... so no matter who would be cast as her it would have very little material to work out... 😑
@@princessofthecape2078 I can see what you say about Zendaya, however I don't take it as a miscast - maybe she just didn't make the role her own like Timothee/Paul and Oscar/Leto, but certainly I didn't find it unsettling or strange. I'm interested to hear where you'd prefer to end the movie.
@@justnoobtoo6352 let's just say that the spice thing is going to be not a pleasant experience for the galaxy either. Something about messiahs and religious genocides... 😅
@@justnoobtoo6352 just imagine a world after Terminators were successfully overthrown or if the Matrix was also overthrown. I'm pretty sure the idea of making non-biological life would be a bad thing. HOWEVER it's ok instead to try to breed a GOD. Cuz that NEVER goes wrong either...humans and hubris is like apple pie and ice cream.
3:32 "So, it's done?" "...It's done." The Herald's tone here is the instant I knew the Emperor was plotting something. From the prologue, I knew the Harkonnen's would go after the Atreides family. But with two words, I knew it was so much worse than that. Bravo to the actor for getting that across so effectively.
I like the duality of the clashing technological style of the landing vessel. Its outside is ethereal and alien, probably designed to inspire awe in whoever sees it - yet internally its very low tech (by sci-fi standards), showing the technological stagnation of the setting.
The stagnation is deliberate in Dune. Computers caused AI to develop and were outlawed in this time period. Fufer is a Human computer and is able to perform the calculations required of any leader, but the general populace is reliant on their own intelligence.
Yeah, an event called the Butlarian Jihad took place before the events of Dune by I think several thousand years. This was a war on "thinking machines" which attempted to "rise up" against humanity. (Very watered down description). Afterwards, while they still obviously possess amazing technology, none of it is supposed to "think" and in particular none of it should "take the likeness of the human mind". If I'm correct, afterwards if anyone were to create "thinking machines" it would be legal grounds to use atomic weapons on whomever broke this taboo, the use of such weapons being extremely rare in the universe.
@@drnolon IIRC, isn't that why they also have more advanced organic/biological technology as well? I remember the ornithopters being described as being powered by a sort of muscle (or something similar to a muscle) more than any complex machinery (which would require a pretty powerful computer to control) but I could be wrong.
@@Retrolian1000 The organic/biological technology isn't advanced at all. A consequence of Herbert writing before the advent of actual genetic engineering. The methods used in the books are primitive compared to things both already possible and easily conceivable as doable within the next 100 years. Artificial wombs, for example, already exist as an experimental technology. And breeding programs spanning generations are primitive compared to understanding what you want to change, what genes are influencing that trait and changing those directly.
@@ohauss You just described the Tleilaxu, who are distrusted throughout the Dune universe. They're experts in genetic engineering, and become super important from the second book on.
The way the bene jesserit looks at Leto as if he's a dead man already, and the way Jessica registers this and looks to Paul, panicked. All the details. Even the "your seal?" As if he's sealing his fate... outstanding scene
I signed my military contract in high school, and I signed it knowing that it could be my own death contract. Most people in the military think they die on the battlefield, but you die the day you volunteer. This is the same thing. But we all die, how you die and what you’re willing to die for are all that matter.
I think this grand gesture was done to eliminate any chance of the duke rejecting the proposal . As such a grand gesture from the emperor being rejected would not show the duke in good light .
The book can obviously go into more detail, but I love how even in the movie we are reminded that the resources of this galaxy are not infinite and they have a cost. Thufir's comment here, and the Baron's comment later about how much it cost him to buy and transport his invasion force. Herbert is quite careful about this point in the novel, and it was nice that Villeneuve didn't leave it out of the movie.
Either Baron or the other guy said how they basically overspent to kill just a few people and the amount of troops used were basically enough for multiple campaigns The fact that Paul and Jessica got away is ridiculous Think Baron even said he took out loans and everything Absolutely failure by his whole side
@@arnaldoenriquez6191 I mean the baron quite literally states that paul and jessica would not be harmed since the bene gessrit is under their protection.
"We are House Atreides. There is no call we do not answer, there is no faith that we betray. The Emperor asks us to bring peace to Arrakis. House Atreides. Accepts!!" Great line from Leto that shows how noble House Atreides is. No wonder Leto is so popular amongst the Landsraad houses.
I like that they made him more kind and relatable in the movie, as opposed to the books. They did the same with Paul. It really does make you like them. In the books, they're not quite ruthless or evil the way the Harkonnen are, but they're extremely pragmatic and calculated. A little bit colder and less emotional than in the movies.
The price tag of the trip shows how much the emperor has committed to the plot. It destroys any deluion or hope that Leto may have to maneauvor around this trap but to tough it out. That's why he sighes.
@@yahyapeters8942 it roughly translates as _"a metric shit ton of money"_ you dont know how many dollars is that, but you know the emperor isnt slackimg on resourses to bring about his plot.
Having watched the movie you can now see how the herald understands what is about to unfold. He was quick to have the seal imprinted and when he said “it’s done” it’s almost as if he’s saying “it’s over”.
Interesting. But the movie later shows a whole settlement of people living right in the midst of the spice. Why their bodies remain uneffected, except for the blue eyes?
@@MaxTsybaThey will either become navigators and are preparing for the process, or they failed to become navigators, but are still highly addicted to spice melange as a result of them trying.
One of the finest movies I watched in the last decade. Brilliant casting, amazing background score, exemplary cinematography and CGI, and very fine screenplay.
@@varunemani The story was secondary to the visuals I think. Still, they captured most of it. The intrigue, the deadly machinations... all the threat slowly building. The desert, the freemen... it's really the best movie we've seen since Lord of the Rings imo.
@@varunemani I would say, it seems - as of now, as a pretty well made adaptation of the books. It stays closer to the source material than the David Lynch adaption (which I also like). Also this one catches the surreal nature of a future, that's strange yet familiar to ours. I particularly liked that they didn't trap themselves in endless exposition and just let things be unexplained. And that they did a lot with showing not telling. Here's for example: Duncan Idaho in the books is described as one of the most formidable swordsmasters and pilot in the known universe. They never say this. But you god damn see it. Things like that.
I really love Patrick Steward. One of my favorite actors of all time... But I have to give this to Thanos :D But this might actually be, because I think the new version is substantially better than the David Lynch version... And don't get me wrong, I still find the old one absolutely awesome :D
The behemoth ship lands, the huge door hinges down, aligning perfectly with the rug that had been previously laid down. Seems impossible, yet completely believable in this epic film.
2:00 I love that they edited the intense look of her unmoving eyes as her order is mentioned, but I'm not sure the reflections in her eyes fit what she should see.
@shush The film itself is well done. Great casting and directing. Plus sound to boot. Dune is a slow burn. Its how the media always been. The only meh thing was the pacing.
The guys with the helmets full of spice gas are Navigators - probably 1st stage. They were often used as clerks & envoys before undergoing the full transformation and becoming 3rd stage Navigators that actually fold space.
@@barreloffun10 Members of the Spacing Guild (as well as other factions like the Teilaxu) are generally born into it. We don't know much about the inner workings of the guild, but I would assume that being a 3rd-stage Navigator is a huge honor to its members.
@@barreloffun10 They're essentially nerds who get infinite LSD and get to do maths while inside a personal sauna/swimming pool of LSD across the stars. They fuckin love it.
@@sectorgovernor i think the herald is from the landsraad, the body of all houses, and the imperial court is only the house corrino, the seating house in the emperor throne
i never see anyone talk about the costumes in these movies. the costumes make the setting feel so distant and alien despite not having aliens, it's great
Still weirds me out that this film only had a budget of around 165 Million, for comparison Spiderman No Way Home had a Budget of 200 million, yet when you look at the two of them, this film looked far more detailed, expansive, and beautiful, really weirded me out that it was only that small compared to other films, looking at it, it looked like the most expensive film ever made.
There's so much to love in this scene, but I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the flex that is "be sure to put down a 30 foot wide 200 foot long Persian carpet on my spaceship's landing ramp"
The Herald's face is a work of art. Such magnificent bone structure, poise and expression, that finally softens once the work is done, revealing a whole new person. Bravo.
We only know our own spacecraft as just-about-working pieces of plumbing and hopes and dreams. These craft are like luxury cars, they are reliable technology that people don't really think about any more.
@@aconite72 I would say all our 'space ships' are metal cans designed to barely putter around our planet. They can't withstand a collision with anything. The ones in Dune look like single-piece rock solid start stations designed to move between stars with little to no danger of damage.
@@MrJustonemorevoice the heighliner reminds me of drawings I made of spacecarriers when I was younger.. I'd always seen so many crappy spacecraft carrier concepts where they just took an aircraft carrier then put it in space 🙄 &It wasn't until BSG with their huge hulking behemoths with side landing pods that I thought WHAT IF u made a ship that looked like that retracting side landing pod.. the size of a Galactica? One big hollow passage through the middle.. just like a carrier has a double ended runway.. I like to think that aswell as functioning as a bridge portal for DUNES holtzman wormhole tech.. this was also meant to facilitate dual embark/disembarkation where attack ships can leave either end of the massive ship Also the idea of an aircraft carrier is that it is basically a floating town that's mostly self sustainable &can reach any major ports within weeks making it a HUGE force projection asset to any nation deploying them Theae are the scaled up galactic versions of this idea &even if that component doesn't get visually fleshed out I think that's really interesting
@@awesomegaymer5786 My favourite moment was when Palpatine told him "FREEZE!!!" and he answered "I NEVAH FREEZE! I morb." and then he actually morbed. I was shocked they were actually allowed to portray scenes with such morbing on screen.
They really capture the ominous tone of the emissary In this scene. House Attreides knew they were walking into a trap and thought they could out wit the emperor. As someone who has been set up for failure and conspired against this movie really moved me.
Unfortunately, it's a tragedy of really annoying errors. It's kind of a gross misunderstanding of the Prisoner's Dilemma taken to an absurd extreme. But, everyone does play their parts well with truly stellar casting, and the movie is stunning in its aesthetic and score. So, I give it a pass.
It was more than just the Atreides. The Atreides had power in the Lansraad due to their morals and reputation for honor. The Harkonnen due to their money from mining Arrakis Spice. The Emperor forced the Harkonnens to bankroll the entire destruction of the Atreides. This actually nearly bankrupted the Harkonnens. Two threats gone (supposedly) all for supplying 3 battalions of Sardukar and providing off books permission for a massacre.
This week in: "Under appreciated jobs in The House of Atradies.." 💡🤨🤔 I'd like to meet House Atradies plumbers, kitchen staff and garbage handlers. 🤣🤣🤣
It took me half a day to sign for my house. These guy are trading entire planets like buying a cup of coffee.
@Serai Laksa Congratulations in advance!
bro it cost like millions to just meet for the deal.
Where the hell do you buy coffee at by stamping hot wax with your signet ring?
Oh. It is just childish movie.
When you're this powerful, you can expedite things greatly.
I like how Leto and his mentat are like ''This could've been an email''
Even though it was neccesary, they dont have computers
@@prometheus705 "This could've been a Holtzmann wave'' then
@@fmgallien 👌
@@prometheus705 no, they have computers and electronics, just none that can imitate life.
@@360addict70 i mean define "imitate life". Ornithopters are pretty bird like
I love the way the Dune universe has such advanced technology, but still has a kind of medieval atmosphere.
It's like the best parts of Star Wars (especially Old Republic era) but without clumsy dialogue or unnecessary humour
Its just the 1500s in space
This stems from a deliberate in-world decission. Generations ago humanity faced a lot of problems with computers / AI (well mostly computers, as the concept of AI wasn't that prevalent of a thing in the 60' when the book was written).
For one computers and those who can control computers gain a lot of power over a lot of people via their ability to control computers. Power leads to corruption - and yeah, a large population controled by a corrupt minority with access to tech... leads to problems.
The other idea - which a lot of Dune revolves around - is that hardship creates harder folks, while comfort leads to stagnation or degeneration (again, this isn't really reflective of our reality, but it's a quite common sci-fi trope from that time.) So considering people leaving all the thinking to computers, leads to degneration over time - especially with the above mentioned corrupt elite in control.
Long story short - those problems led to a pretty impactful uprising called 'Butlers Jihad' after one Serena Butler who lead the uprising - which resulted not only in the destruction of most 'thinking machines' but also fixated this distrust in complex technology in culture and even religion. It also gave rise to factions as the 'Mentats' which are basically human computers, ridicolously well trained logicians - like Thufir Hawat we see in the scene - and other human specialists. Basically - without the thinking machines humanities ability to train specialists to become supernatural thinkers, geneticists, physicians and so on is unlocked.
And this leads to the low tech aesthetic which the movie brilliantly shows.
@@robertnett9793 yesss, I've read the book, absolutely love the world building!!!
Advanced technology, feudal political system.
“It’s Done.”
They both know what’s coming, to different degree's, yet both know that there is nothing they can do but go through the motions.
should've ised some game of thrones tactics
@@TheRealBatCave I don't think fucking him would have changed the situation...
@@TheRealBatCave I'll be honest with you, Game of Thrones strategies are a bit shallow by Dune standards (though I love both).
There is nothing to be done, the Emperor and House Harkonnen have already fully checkmated Atreades by the time this scene comes about. If Atreades refuse the imperial edict they are overtly resisting the emperor meaning they will be crushed by all the other houses. If they accept, it is knowingly falling into a trap. The best they can do is accept the edict and try to outplay whatever traps and schemes Harkonnen have in wait on Arrakis.
@@MrCompassionate01 I mean, just make sure the shield holds...
@@Bayard1503 It's more complicated than that. Harkonnen have deliberately sabotaged the spice mining capabilities so that Atreades cannot produce enough spice. All the clients who usually purchase the spice will direct their ire towards Atreades, the shortage will crreate a massive price spike which Harkonnen will exploit using their massive spice reserves.
Hidden spies, traps and assassins have been left in the base to kill them too, plus a traitor to sabotage the shield generator. Their plan is practiaclly flawless, the only factor not accounted for is the Fremen, whose true numbers and skills are mostly unknown.
I love how the technology looks so advanced yet so primitive
they are after an AI revolution, so no "fancy" tech allowed anymore.
Read about the Butlerian Jihad. You'll understand why
After the machine uprising and fall, they don't have any AI or computer-assisted equipment in that universe. Everything is calculated and forecast by living people or their modified versions/clones. Also, the universe has developed so deep that modern standards are mixed in sometimes very strange ways there. Old ways, like using scrolls or knifes, could be more efficient, whereas "modern" technology got outdated - like firearms made obsolete by inventing force field generators.
Chair design hasn't changed for a long time. Some tech just works perfectly. There is no need for more mechanization. If complicated things break they are harder to fix. War pushes tech-forward. Otherwise, we see apple pushing the same iPhone with minor changes every year. Even iPhone is not innovative. They crammed a lot of already existing tech into a smaller device.
Tradition. Also, in the original Dune movie, all technology and uniforms were designed to look the way that the future of technology was depicted in the 19th century.
"It's done."
Unspoken: "You poor bastard."
Leto: is it Done?: subtext: would the Emperor support us and not set up a trap, is he satisfied with our loyalty
Herald: it's Done subtext: No, death will come for you
For me it is a juxtaposition:
"It's done."
("This is only the beginning.")
“You’ve quite literally sealed your fate here.”
Sarduakar Bashar: “The Em-Pa co ma ze. Ese da!”
"Is it done, Yuri?"
"No, Comrade Premier. It has only begun."
Part of me likes to think the Herald just couldn't be bothered to read the whole scroll and just winged it after he opened it. Multiple paragraphs just smashed into like 8 seconds of, "You're running the planet now, don't screw up. I've got other places to be."
It's a big universe. Lots of planets to visit, lots of doom to pronounce.
Gotta keep that throat and dramatics fresh. It's his bread and butter!
The ceremony
If he spoke the whole scroll the movie would be 4 hrs long
I don't blame him. Shit i would have done the same 😂. Especially if i know the jist of what I'm supposed to say ahead of time
The Herald of The Change
He’s only in one scene but he absolutely kills it.
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Benjamin Clementine! Amazing singer too, watch him live, exact same.
Gurney wasn't bad, either. :)
He definitely has the vocals for it.
Has tiny ears.
The way the herald says “it’s done,” is so… amazing. It almost feels like he’s saying a lot more than those two words.
It’s like they all know what’ll happen. He knows he sees a dead man walking but what the hell can they do about it lol. It’s a beautiful and subtle scene. This movie was such a breath of fresh air
yea that delivery is just perfect. "its done." you are in the shit now.
It's more like "you're done".
because it was three words.
Wow you’re like, so deep bro
2:06 The herald's glance at the multiple paragraphs of terms and conditions followed by him swiftly wrapping that shit up instead because he doesn't have time fr this shit cracks me up.
LOL
I think he was about to ask the Duke about the best burger joint on the planet.
@@fallinginthed33p ah yes, one of Caladan's best tourist attractions - the burger joint. Authentic recipes from good ole Earth.
I never saw it that way, and I can't unsee it now! Not that I mind because it's pretty funny.
No one read the TOS these days
"Do you accept?"
"No, it's a shit planet. The sand gets in my asscrack and nobody even sells a bucket and spade"
Also, I hate sand. It's rough and coarse and gets everywhere.
@@BoxStudioExecutive Just irritating.
"do I have a choice?"
@@BoxStudioExecutive Star Wars Episode 2 … I love it! Bravo!!
Sure kid we'll find a pilot and a wookiee willing to avoid "imperial entanglements" in a cantina somewhere. 😉
I love the teeny tiny sphere leaving the guild highliner at the start actually being this massive spherical ship.
oh.
*heighliner
The heighliner has to be the size of a thousand aircraft carriers!! Insane to think about
gotta be one of my fav sci fi elements; the power of scale
"Highliner" Kinda appopriate as the pilot high on spice 24/7 they mutate into salamander.
I love the eye effect as a simple way to show the brain of the mentat shifting into a different gear.
Kind of wish they show more of just how overly reliant the mentats are on Rational Logic.
I dislike it. Everything seems to be about glowing eyes these days.
But I think it'd be more neutral if any explanation was given on mentats. I forgot about them completely in the movie
I don't know how to think about how little several things were explained. On one hand - I had just finished the series shortly before watching the movie, so I could understand all the little details and I felt refreshed of NOT being bombarded with exposition, on the other hand, I feel people, not in the loop might get confused by a lot of concepts...
@@profet1385 It's not even 'glowing eyes' it's more of a fog like you see by some blind people. And generally the movie seems very gentle on exposition.
There's supposedly a 6-hour cut of this film. If there's one thing we need, it's that.
I would pay good money to see that with two intermissions to take a piss at a cinema.
I would watch it… so many details are absent just like all movies based on great books.
bullshit there is no way they filmed another 3 hours 30 minutes worth of scenes
It would be great to see the dinner party.
@Stevie Wolfe But remember that is multiple takes of the same scene, bloopers and all.
The alternative to this was a simple email.. but I’d take this any day
They don't have that.
@@aurinkomies also an email would take literally DECADES minimum to send, theres a reason they do stuff like this
plus, rich people always like to look cool, and to show others that they can afford to look cool. I mean we all like to do that, but rich people can just afford to do it in STYLE :p
Por eso su pregunta sobre el costo de “esta formalidad” , los atreides ya sabían solo faltaba la ceremonia
The emperor deliberatly made the deal a big thing with a lot of money spent to ensure that count Letos Atreides-Honor forces him to accept the deal.
Everyone involved in this coup against Atreides knows why this deal was made. Even Leto knows it.
Only thing the Atreides didnt know was the fact that the Sardaukar would be sent to help the Harkonnens
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How's it possible for this movie not to have a single miscast? Outstanding performance and delivery.
Liet Kyenes
Because the fremen were cast as sub saharan african, North African, and Arab. Then a black liet doesn't stand out as an outsider enough.
Also too young to be someone that has been on arrakis for decades.
@@sl600rt On the last point I will disagree. Spice has geriatric properties that extends life, while not granting immortality, human spice addicts were known to live half a millennium. If Kynes had come to Arrakis as a 40 year old woman, with the Spice being everywhere and in everything, then she could easily be 140 and not have aged much physically.
I do agree however that since the Fremen were cast as Semitic and Arabic centric, something odd to that phenotype should have been called for to complete the translation, so someone of an Oriental(Chinese, Japanese or perhaps Mongolian) descent if they were so desperate to avoid casting a Caucasian.
@@sl600rt spice exposure extends lifespans. She's been around it long enough for the eye effect to take hold. Plus, as an imperial agent, I'm betting she gets good Healthcare. Remember, its 30,000+ years in the future. Human lifespans are not necessarily what they are today.
@@princessofthecape2078 Well... in Diune Shani was pretty much a background character (since Herbert follow standard cliche for his times where women were presented either as damsels in distress, minor characters or just... WERE THERE... so no matter who would be cast as her it would have very little material to work out... 😑
@@princessofthecape2078 I can see what you say about Zendaya, however I don't take it as a miscast - maybe she just didn't make the role her own like Timothee/Paul and Oscar/Leto, but certainly I didn't find it unsettling or strange. I'm interested to hear where you'd prefer to end the movie.
i love dune they fear artificial intelligence but are okay with basically everybody being junkies
..Boomers!? XD
They have had bad experiences in the past
I feel that partially has to do with the fact that the book was written in the 60's.
@@justnoobtoo6352 let's just say that the spice thing is going to be not a pleasant experience for the galaxy either. Something about messiahs and religious genocides... 😅
@@justnoobtoo6352 just imagine a world after Terminators were successfully overthrown or if the Matrix was also overthrown. I'm pretty sure the idea of making non-biological life would be a bad thing. HOWEVER it's ok instead to try to breed a GOD. Cuz that NEVER goes wrong either...humans and hubris is like apple pie and ice cream.
3:32
"So, it's done?"
"...It's done."
The Herald's tone here is the instant I knew the Emperor was plotting something. From the prologue, I knew the Harkonnen's would go after the Atreides family. But with two words, I knew it was so much worse than that. Bravo to the actor for getting that across so effectively.
😂 that's nothing go to do with this dialogue
Very much a " good fucking luck "
@@kashutosh9132only if you can't read between the lines.
"The tone"
Also fucking stared at him for like 15 seconds without blinking
Bruh there no way you could have deduce 😭😭
I like the duality of the clashing technological style of the landing vessel. Its outside is ethereal and alien, probably designed to inspire awe in whoever sees it - yet internally its very low tech (by sci-fi standards), showing the technological stagnation of the setting.
The stagnation is deliberate in Dune. Computers caused AI to develop and were outlawed in this time period. Fufer is a Human computer and is able to perform the calculations required of any leader, but the general populace is reliant on their own intelligence.
Yeah, an event called the Butlarian Jihad took place before the events of Dune by I think several thousand years. This was a war on "thinking machines" which attempted to "rise up" against humanity. (Very watered down description). Afterwards, while they still obviously possess amazing technology, none of it is supposed to "think" and in particular none of it should "take the likeness of the human mind". If I'm correct, afterwards if anyone were to create "thinking machines" it would be legal grounds to use atomic weapons on whomever broke this taboo, the use of such weapons being extremely rare in the universe.
@@drnolon IIRC, isn't that why they also have more advanced organic/biological technology as well? I remember the ornithopters being described as being powered by a sort of muscle (or something similar to a muscle) more than any complex machinery (which would require a pretty powerful computer to control) but I could be wrong.
@@Retrolian1000 The organic/biological technology isn't advanced at all. A consequence of Herbert writing before the advent of actual genetic engineering. The methods used in the books are primitive compared to things both already possible and easily conceivable as doable within the next 100 years. Artificial wombs, for example, already exist as an experimental technology. And breeding programs spanning generations are primitive compared to understanding what you want to change, what genes are influencing that trait and changing those directly.
@@ohauss You just described the Tleilaxu, who are distrusted throughout the Dune universe.
They're experts in genetic engineering, and become super important from the second book on.
The way the bene jesserit looks at Leto as if he's a dead man already, and the way Jessica registers this and looks to Paul, panicked. All the details. Even the "your seal?" As if he's sealing his fate... outstanding scene
"benefits jesserit". These are the women from the Emperor's HR department, along to explain the health plan and 401k options for this year.
"benefits jesserit"? Is that the 20 year old single mom with 5 kids living in a council flat somewhere in county Durham?
Bene Gesserit
@@thedocsharkyI doubt there is a single 20 year old single mum of 5 kids anywhere let alone your shithole. Tory cunt
I signed my military contract in high school, and I signed it knowing that it could be my own death contract. Most people in the military think they die on the battlefield, but you die the day you volunteer. This is the same thing. But we all die, how you die and what you’re willing to die for are all that matter.
I think this grand gesture was done to eliminate any chance of the duke rejecting the proposal . As such a grand gesture from the emperor being rejected would not show the duke in good light .
There was no way to reject it, they talk in the book about how the only alternative for them was to become a rouge house and rebel from the emperor
The book can obviously go into more detail, but I love how even in the movie we are reminded that the resources of this galaxy are not infinite and they have a cost. Thufir's comment here, and the Baron's comment later about how much it cost him to buy and transport his invasion force. Herbert is quite careful about this point in the novel, and it was nice that Villeneuve didn't leave it out of the movie.
Either Baron or the other guy said how they basically overspent to kill just a few people and the amount of troops used were basically enough for multiple campaigns
The fact that Paul and Jessica got away is ridiculous
Think Baron even said he took out loans and everything
Absolutely failure by his whole side
I am reading the book this scene is not there i am right?
@@Dillamusic90
This scene with the herald was invented for the movie, yes.
Considering they changed so much of the dialogue, what does that matter.
@@arnaldoenriquez6191 I mean the baron quite literally states that paul and jessica would not be harmed since the bene gessrit is under their protection.
From a cinematographic perspective as well as soundtrack, acting, visual style and storytelling - this scene is film perfection!
almost, wax had gone cold by the time he pushes his ring into it, you can clearly see that he tries, but can't press hard enough :}
Nah, Villneuve has really linear style of cinematography. Colours and sharpness are on the spot, but the angles are always set to most primal ones.
The whole movie!
Meh. Seems average.
Yeah this is the moment I realized this was an truly great movie.
"We are House Atreides. There is no call we do not answer, there is no faith that we betray. The Emperor asks us to bring peace to Arrakis. House Atreides. Accepts!!"
Great line from Leto that shows how noble House Atreides is. No wonder Leto is so popular amongst the Landsraad houses.
I hear some future Duncan Idaho screaming 'You damned Atreides with your damn honor" :D
I like that they made him more kind and relatable in the movie, as opposed to the books. They did the same with Paul. It really does make you like them.
In the books, they're not quite ruthless or evil the way the Harkonnen are, but they're extremely pragmatic and calculated. A little bit colder and less emotional than in the movies.
@@TheAero1221 just like how house stark is potreyed in the GOT show and books
@@TheAero1221 They aren't that cruel, they never do anything unless it's necessary to the cause.
Now later on? They go a bit too hard.
It also probably helps that Duke Leto is a total smoke show.
Yo that herald had like 2 min onscreen and still gave a magnificent performance
Oscar Isaac’s beard was absolutely on point in this film. Hats off to the stylist.
"So, am I fucked?"
"Yes, you are."
“Like how hard?”
The messenger guy had like 3 mins of screentime and absolutely nailed that announcement.
The price tag of the trip shows how much the emperor has committed to the plot. It destroys any deluion or hope that Leto may have to maneauvor around this trap but to tough it out. That's why he sighes.
I don’t understand the currency like if it’s possible to explain what I could get with that amount that was mentioned 1:17
@@yahyapeters8942 it roughly translates as _"a metric shit ton of money"_ you dont know how many dollars is that, but you know the emperor isnt slackimg on resourses to bring about his plot.
Those guys from Spacing Guild are all probably standing there high AF
Yea I mean, being a navigator is quite literally an eternal hot box
1:43 "..., Emperor of the Known Universe..." can you imagine? How does one even _begin_ to assume that title? What does ruling even look like?
Having watched the movie you can now see how the herald understands what is about to unfold. He was quick to have the seal imprinted and when he said “it’s done” it’s almost as if he’s saying “it’s over”.
I swear, every scene of this film is like a masterclass in direction, cinematography, acting, etc.
Any of the Kurosawa movies will open your eyes to mastery.
That herald of the change was brilliant. Sometimes, even a small brief role, can utterly own a scene.
1:38 - There’s a reason those helmets are opaque. Extreme Spice exposure does…things to a human body.
Interesting. But the movie later shows a whole settlement of people living right in the midst of the spice. Why their bodies remain uneffected, except for the blue eyes?
@@MaxTsyba The Navigators take so much Spice that they swim in the stuff. _Literally._
@@srbrant5391 But those people in helmets are not navigators. And I believe navigators changed so much not only because of spice.
@@MaxTsyba they will slowly become the navigators.they are transforming
@@MaxTsybaThey will either become navigators and are preparing for the process, or they failed to become navigators, but are still highly addicted to spice melange as a result of them trying.
The constant and subtle shifts in relative power between the Duke and the Herald is really magnificent.
3:35 "It's done". The look he gives as he says that is just perfect
The cheekbones on the Herald Of The Change looks like they can cut through anything.
They could not have picked a more regal looking actor to play the Herald. He stole the scene.
god really went fucking hard creating the face of the guy who plays the herald, damnnnn
Most likely because he knew, he would be needed for that role :D
Ok? Looks like a regular face lol most Americans are fat and round so you’re probably just used to seeing out of shape people on the regular lol
Herald of the Change? Herald of the fuckin’ Cheekbones, more like 👀
when they handed out cheekbones this mf was #1 in the line
No wonder Duke Leto died, it's hard to control a ruckus.
Was that…(eye twitch) A PUN?!
It's appalling how easily a ruckus was controlled.
Indeed, uncle ruckus was really hard to control
Can you describe the ruckus?
@@roystonlodge white male, 60 y.o. about 5'10", 400 lbs, bald. Likes to fly around and poison people. Like Vladolf Putler, but fat.
Leto and the Atreides chant gives me goosebumps every time.
Not enough voices in the chant and none really deep enough to be soldiers... it breaks the immersion.
@@baconoverlord7982don't forget to account weather and temperature. For me it is just beast of a scene because of echo and distance
One of the finest movies I watched in the last decade. Brilliant casting, amazing background score, exemplary cinematography and CGI, and very fine screenplay.
And what of the story/plot department (Here's a headscratcher coming your way!).. what did you particularly find interesting? No like really. 🍷
@@varunemani it's made from a novel that was written in the 1960s
@@dr.vishantpriyadarshi7050 That's like 95% of SciFi
@@varunemani The story was secondary to the visuals I think. Still, they captured most of it. The intrigue, the deadly machinations... all the threat slowly building. The desert, the freemen... it's really the best movie we've seen since Lord of the Rings imo.
@@varunemani I would say, it seems - as of now, as a pretty well made adaptation of the books.
It stays closer to the source material than the David Lynch adaption (which I also like).
Also this one catches the surreal nature of a future, that's strange yet familiar to ours.
I particularly liked that they didn't trap themselves in endless exposition and just let things be unexplained.
And that they did a lot with showing not telling. Here's for example: Duncan Idaho in the books is described as one of the most formidable swordsmasters and pilot in the known universe. They never say this. But you god damn see it. Things like that.
Watching this film on IMAX was an experience. You really can’t grasp the sheer scale otherwise.
The sound alone nearly killed me
@@implodingbaby same! Would absolutely see it again!
I might have enjoyed it. If I could actually hear the dialogue over the sound half of the time.
@@implodingbaby It was awesome. I can't wait for the sequel.
Dolby was incredible.
The actors say so much with minimal dialogue and knowing glances. Sound, set, and costume designs are just outstanding.
3:04 basically sealing his fate here
I love the fact that how Leto even tho serious and poised occasionally jokes with his guys. They arent just a house of some noblety but actual FAMİLY
Kudos to the pilot for landing perfectly to line up with the carpet.
Man the actors in this scene from the Herald to the Duke were awesome!
"Smile Gurney." - "I am smiling..." :D I wouldn't be able to decide if Patrick Steward or Thanos here, played the better Gurney Haleck.
I really love Patrick Steward. One of my favorite actors of all time... But I have to give this to Thanos :D
But this might actually be, because I think the new version is substantially better than the David Lynch version... And don't get me wrong, I still find the old one absolutely awesome :D
Does anybody else find the teaching hologram voice thing soothing? I could listen to it explain the universe of Dune to me all day.
omg same!
this is actually the voice of the editor!
The behemoth ship lands, the huge door hinges down, aligning perfectly with the rug that had been previously laid down. Seems impossible, yet completely believable in this epic film.
3:23 I love how you can read in her eyes: "so it begins..."
The vibes this movie puts out are unlike any other.
One can almost imagine the Herald on the trip home, having a glass of wine in his quarters...toasting the man he just sent to his death.
This movie’s soundtrack and all the acting and technology it’s amazing. Every time I get massive dopamine vibes. Just wow. Perfect movie.
I love the art deco eagle looking insignia
So courteous of Daft Punk to bear witness to the change!
Sure. There's just no official planet trade without them.... Rules and protocol have to be kept.
And the Space Catholic Bishops too...
2:00 I love that they edited the intense look of her unmoving eyes as her order is mentioned, but I'm not sure the reflections in her eyes fit what she should see.
"Seal it here.. and here... there you are! Cheers, congratulations. Now you are the owner of a pretty castle in Arrakis"
"Have a good death"
Turned out to be not that pretty though
the cinematography, soundtrack and acting literally gives goosebumps
Who’s watching this imagining how Christopher Walken is going to kill it as Shadam.
The Emperor has a fever, and the only cure is MORE COWBELL!
He's going to underplay it, because he knows what everyone is expecting, and it's going to be AWESOME!
House Corino won't fail this time, for their Emperor knows how to walk without rhythm.
Wonder if I'll be the only person thinking about the gold watch he's hiding up his ass. Might as well go for broke and cast Gary Busey as Feyd.
@@TheCoffeehound 😂
I've watched this movie so many times now, so well done.
@shush The film itself is well done. Great casting and directing. Plus sound to boot. Dune is a slow burn. Its how the media always been. The only meh thing was the pacing.
when the dvd dropped i watched it 3 times in a day
Reads a few sentences, from a HUGE roll of paper FULL of words.
Long ago, the actor that played Thufir was in a t.v. show called "New Amsterdam " starring Jamie Lannister actor Coster-waldau.
I remember that show, good pull! Had a neat premise, wish it had gotten bigger.
He was also in Devs by Alex Garland
Yo, thought that show was just a fever dream I had. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who remembers it.
the herald of change has such a huge precence man, dude overshadows the other people who came, I was most conscious of the scroll man
*Unrols the decree*
"Fu** this I ain't reading all that"
"Listen the boss says you need to move to this planet to mine space crack"
Interesting look for the members of the court. Like a Daft Punk fan club.
The guys with the helmets full of spice gas are Navigators - probably 1st stage. They were often used as clerks & envoys before undergoing the full transformation and becoming 3rd stage Navigators that actually fold space.
@@0megacron Who the hell would sign up for that?
@@barreloffun10 Members of the Spacing Guild (as well as other factions like the Teilaxu) are generally born into it. We don't know much about the inner workings of the guild, but I would assume that being a 3rd-stage Navigator is a huge honor to its members.
@@barreloffun10
They're essentially nerds who get infinite LSD and get to do maths while inside a personal sauna/swimming pool of LSD across the stars. They fuckin love it.
I think the black visors are supposed to protect their identity, we just know they represent the court.
His hand is shaking as he seals his fate. He knows exactly what’s about to happen and it’s so subtle!
This scene is amazing, The herald really sold it. He’s got a majestic look.
But strange that the Imperial Court looks differently in Part Two ( grey clothing, not black and white)
@@sectorgovernor i think the herald is from the landsraad, the body of all houses, and the imperial court is only the house corrino, the seating house in the emperor throne
1:50 The Daft Punk were part of the Imperial envoy
1:06
Leto: Smile Thanos
Thanos: I am smiling -_-
Leto: 0-0
I love the entire "this could've been a damn email" mood for everyone involved
i never see anyone talk about the costumes in these movies. the costumes make the setting feel so distant and alien despite not having aliens, it's great
"So, it's done?"
"...It's done."
I never realised but everyone who gets off the ship is walking in sync, unnerving
I love the detail on it that how Duke Leto sealing the document pertains to him sealing his fate. Goosebumps!
I don’t know what it is, but this has to be one of my favorite scenes in any movie.
Villeneuve did an amazing job of translating this pronunciation of an obvious and unavoidable death sentence from the novel.
Still weirds me out that this film only had a budget of around 165 Million, for comparison Spiderman No Way Home had a Budget of 200 million, yet when you look at the two of them, this film looked far more detailed, expansive, and beautiful, really weirded me out that it was only that small compared to other films, looking at it, it looked like the most expensive film ever made.
They didn't waste all their money on dumb CGI shots and pointless action.
There's so much to love in this scene, but I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the flex that is "be sure to put down a 30 foot wide 200 foot long Persian carpet on my spaceship's landing ramp"
The Herald's face is a work of art. Such magnificent bone structure, poise and expression, that finally softens once the work is done, revealing a whole new person. Bravo.
I agree! Very aristocratic features!
They really did incredible well with choosing actors...
Yea it’s just a face so many people are overweight so it’s probably weird seeing a person that isn’t fat and obese lol
he's got teeny tiny ears😂
I don't think he blinks either!
I´m a member of the belly jesuit and in control of a ruckus.
Turn off the Close captioning before you take full control LOL just the same😆
Amazing
Just simply amazing. Thank you to everyone who worked on this film. I don't have words...
I love how gentle they made such things touch down.
It’s nice how Daft Punk reunited for their cameo in this scene
“It’s done”
Translation: “You are cooked”
The whole book is about seeing the future and yet, the fate can't be altered.
Can't believe the Daft Punk planet sent representatives to watch this.
Man. Oscar Isaac would kill it as a live action Valkorion in an Old Republic series.
costume design and visual effects are so phenomenal
I do love how gargantuan these ships are
And weird-looking, too. Dune’s spaceships are the most unique I’ve ever seen in a movie.
We only know our own spacecraft as just-about-working pieces of plumbing and hopes and dreams.
These craft are like luxury cars, they are reliable technology that people don't really think about any more.
@@aconite72 I would say all our 'space ships' are metal cans designed to barely putter around our planet. They can't withstand a collision with anything.
The ones in Dune look like single-piece rock solid start stations designed to move between stars with little to no danger of damage.
@@MrJustonemorevoice the heighliner reminds me of drawings I made of spacecarriers when I was younger.. I'd always seen so many crappy spacecraft carrier concepts where they just took an aircraft carrier then put it in space 🙄
&It wasn't until BSG with their huge hulking behemoths with side landing pods that I thought WHAT IF u made a ship that looked like that retracting side landing pod.. the size of a Galactica?
One big hollow passage through the middle.. just like a carrier has a double ended runway..
I like to think that aswell as functioning as a bridge portal for DUNES holtzman wormhole tech.. this was also meant to facilitate dual embark/disembarkation where attack ships can leave either end of the massive ship
Also the idea of an aircraft carrier is that it is basically a floating town that's mostly self sustainable &can reach any major ports within weeks making it a HUGE force projection asset to any nation deploying them
Theae are the scaled up galactic versions of this idea &even if that component doesn't get visually fleshed out I think that's really interesting
Everything about this movie looks and feels huge, which is quite appropriate for this I.P.
The moment you knew that he knew he would be screwed either way.
Sherlock once said “Conclusion inevitable “
I loved the part where Morbius came out of the ship and did a couple mean roars, then said "I've got a Morbin feeling about this!"
Dude. Morbius carried this film
Morbius vs sand worm battle was legit one of the best moments in modern cinema.
For act 1 I thought this movie was a bit boring, but once he came in I immediately understood the hype, he even morbed on the worms!
@@awesomegaymer5786 My favourite moment was when Palpatine told him "FREEZE!!!" and he answered "I NEVAH FREEZE! I morb." and then he actually morbed. I was shocked they were actually allowed to portray scenes with such morbing on screen.
can’t help but cringe at this comment and the replies
Herald: "congratulations on your promotion. I'm really quite sorry"
Gotta love that automated close caption. "house atreides shall immediately take control of a ruckus..."
It's true, the planet did have a ton of ruckus
They really capture the ominous tone of the emissary In this scene. House Attreides knew they were walking into a trap and thought they could out wit the emperor. As someone who has been set up for failure and conspired against this movie really moved me.
Unfortunately, it's a tragedy of really annoying errors.
It's kind of a gross misunderstanding of the Prisoner's Dilemma taken to an absurd extreme.
But, everyone does play their parts well with truly stellar casting, and the movie is stunning in its aesthetic and score.
So, I give it a pass.
mongo only pawn in game of life?
It was more than just the Atreides. The Atreides had power in the Lansraad due to their morals and reputation for honor. The Harkonnen due to their money from mining Arrakis Spice. The Emperor forced the Harkonnens to bankroll the entire destruction of the Atreides. This actually nearly bankrupted the Harkonnens. Two threats gone (supposedly) all for supplying 3 battalions of Sardukar and providing off books permission for a massacre.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979
Do explain
Even after seeing it in the trailers. This scene gave me literal goosebumps. Movie perfection right here.
As far as minor characters are concerned, they picked the perfect guy for the herald.
Benjamin Clementine. He is also a really unique musician!
Respect to the carpet cleaners for keeping those rugs impeccable!👌
This week in:
"Under appreciated jobs in The House of Atradies.."
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I'd like to meet House Atradies plumbers, kitchen staff and garbage handlers.
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