Eggert has only recently gotten some long overdue credit. As director of the Royal Swedish Opera (1807 - 1812) he led the only orchestra in the country, and opened it to outside influences. He introduced Beethoven's music to Stockholm and gave the Swedish premieres of Haydn's "The Seasons" and Mozart's "The Magic Flute". His own music has drama and imagination. In his Symphony No. 3 (1807) he used a trombone section a year before Beethoven did in his 5th. He also went into the field and collected folk music and instruments. Eggert was planning to go abroad for further study when he died of TB at 34. Had he been active in a nation with a more robust classical music tradition, he might not have slipped through the cracks of history.
I appreciate this list greatly; I especially like the Krommer, Eggert, Farrenc, and Raff picks. Other composers whose work I listen to frequently are Wilms, Wranitzky, Reicha, and Gyrowetz.
Thank you so much Dave. There are so many works here I don't know and a few I do. You've given me lots to listen to. I think you and I are great fans of Mendelssohn and I would say that anyone of that ilk must hear Gouvy's symphonies. What a craftsman. That's Gouvy... but you too!
Fully agreed, and all the four of them, which does not always hold true for the symphonic cycles of others! The quality is there, and in the German tradition of the second half of 19th c. Gernsheim more than leaves his mark. The symphonic style and taste of the time was conservative to the point of being stale, but there golden nuggets there, all the more to be admired that their quality and inspiration shine through formal limitations.
Glazunov is a deeply underrated composer in my view. That symphony cycle is a tuneful and marvelous delight which everyone should listen to, I like Serebrier’s recordings myself. In his capacity as Conservatoire leader, Glazunov also told both the Czarists and the Stalinists to go screw when they attempted to persecute Jews at the academy. I suppose it wasn’t very nice of Glazunov to conduct the premiere of Rachmaninoff’s 1st Symphony whilst swizzled, but hey, nobody’s perfect.
Nice! I listened for the first time to the 3rd Symphony of Louise Farrenc in Asunción, Paraguay played by the National Orchester and loved it. I love to see her name in the list and hope will discover more too neglected female composers.
Thanks for the list. I've never heard of Eggert, so that's one to check out. The rest of these I am familiar with -- ranging from having their complete cycles (Gouvy, Glazounov) to simply hearing a few of their works (Farrrenc, Ries). Sounds like more good stuff to explore.
Have been waiting for the non-beginner cycle recommendations! I already am a huge fan of Kalliwoda (thanks to your videos), Raff, and Glazunov - this gave me some new stuff to dig into, and that's the whole point! Appreciate how much "new" stuff (new to me, meaning) I have picked up from videos like the clump series, the underrated composers, etc. Happy Thanksgiving season, Dave.
This is fantastic. Glazunov's symphonies are treasures. I am wondering if you can go 10 more for the obsessive (not that I've gotten through all of these), but that is just me being greedy. Thanks for turning all of us onto new horizons.
Thanks for drawing attention to these listenable composers. I wish concert programmers here in USA would include Glazunov more often. I've only heard his Fifth Symphony, conducted by Sixten Ehrling with the then-Denver Symphony Orchestra and "The Seasons" conducted by Jarvi with the Detroit S. O. Speaking of Joachim Raff, give his Symphony No. 3 "Im Walde" [in the woods] a listen. I'd rate it enjoyable Halloween music. Cheers!
Both 3 and 5 ("Im Walde" and "Lenore" respectively) would fare well in the rainy November night atmosphere. That music, at high points if not all the way through, is as spooky as the public was prepared to take then! Of course, even 50 years earlier von Weber attained stardom with his Wolf's glen scene from "Der Freischutz", which demonstrates people did crave for the mysterious and the terrifying - but it still had to be reigned in. A Bernard Herrmann (fond as he was of "Lenore") would have had people bolt screaming back then. :))
Eggert has only recently gotten some long overdue credit. As director of the Royal Swedish Opera (1807 - 1812) he led the only orchestra in the country, and opened it to outside influences. He introduced Beethoven's music to Stockholm and gave the Swedish premieres of Haydn's "The Seasons" and Mozart's "The Magic Flute". His own music has drama and imagination. In his Symphony No. 3 (1807) he used a trombone section a year before Beethoven did in his 5th. He also went into the field and collected folk music and instruments. Eggert was planning to go abroad for further study when he died of TB at 34. Had he been active in a nation with a more robust classical music tradition, he might not have slipped through the cracks of history.
A thoroughly delightful talk.
I appreciate this list greatly; I especially like the Krommer, Eggert, Farrenc, and Raff picks. Other composers whose work I listen to frequently are Wilms, Wranitzky, Reicha, and Gyrowetz.
Thank you so much Dave. There are so many works here I don't know and a few I do. You've given me lots to listen to. I think you and I are great fans of Mendelssohn and I would say that anyone of that ilk must hear Gouvy's symphonies. What a craftsman. That's Gouvy... but you too!
You delivered a great talk about the gernsheim symphonies too, which also reward listening.
Fully agreed, and all the four of them, which does not always hold true for the symphonic cycles of others!
The quality is there, and in the German tradition of the second half of 19th c. Gernsheim more than leaves his mark. The symphonic style and taste of the time was conservative to the point of being stale, but there golden nuggets there, all the more to be admired that their quality and inspiration shine through formal limitations.
Glazunov is a deeply underrated composer in my view. That symphony cycle is a tuneful and marvelous delight which everyone should listen to, I like Serebrier’s recordings myself. In his capacity as Conservatoire leader, Glazunov also told both the Czarists and the Stalinists to go screw when they attempted to persecute Jews at the academy. I suppose it wasn’t very nice of Glazunov to conduct the premiere of Rachmaninoff’s 1st Symphony whilst swizzled, but hey, nobody’s perfect.
Nice! I listened for the first time to the 3rd Symphony of Louise Farrenc in Asunción, Paraguay played by the National Orchester and loved it. I love to see her name in the list and hope will discover more too neglected female composers.
This is a great post.
Thanks for the list. I've never heard of Eggert, so that's one to check out. The rest of these I am familiar with -- ranging from having their complete cycles (Gouvy, Glazounov) to simply hearing a few of their works (Farrrenc, Ries). Sounds like more good stuff to explore.
Have been waiting for the non-beginner cycle recommendations! I already am a huge fan of Kalliwoda (thanks to your videos), Raff, and Glazunov - this gave me some new stuff to dig into, and that's the whole point! Appreciate how much "new" stuff (new to me, meaning) I have picked up from videos like the clump series, the underrated composers, etc. Happy Thanksgiving season, Dave.
Thank you. Same to you!
Excited about this
Your typically excellent group. It's worth noting that works by all of these, as well as a great many other obscure composers, can be found on TH-cam.
Awesome list and video as always. Wondering if you'll ever get the chance to talk about the C.E.F. Weyse and Wilms symphony cycles.
Great list. Looking forward to the 20th century edition! 🥳
Already done a few days ago.
@@DavesClassicalGuide silly me. Thank you, Dave!
The only two names I recognize from the list are Spohr and Glazunov, so this indeed presents an exciting new frontier for exploration.
I appreciate the way that you stand up for the underdog composer. It’s fairness first and foremost.🎉😅
How would you rank Berwald? Hopefully his genius is on a level with Schumann and Mendellsohn😊
Berwald is in Dave’s top ten 19thc symphony cycles for beginners quite rightly!
@@TheAndrewJBaker oh good well deserved.
I clump, therefore I am.
I’ve bought so many clumps last 9 months I’m turning into one
I’ve always been a lump, but I am now at high risk of becoming a clump as well.
The only clumps we don't like are in arteries.
“Maybe :) “
This is fantastic. Glazunov's symphonies are treasures. I am wondering if you can go 10 more for the obsessive (not that I've gotten through all of these), but that is just me being greedy. Thanks for turning all of us onto new horizons.
Thanks for drawing attention to these listenable composers. I wish concert programmers here in USA would include Glazunov more often. I've only heard his Fifth Symphony, conducted by Sixten Ehrling with the then-Denver Symphony Orchestra and "The Seasons" conducted by Jarvi with the Detroit S. O. Speaking of Joachim Raff, give his Symphony No. 3 "Im Walde" [in the woods] a listen. I'd rate it enjoyable Halloween music. Cheers!
Both 3 and 5 ("Im Walde" and "Lenore" respectively) would fare well in the rainy November night atmosphere. That music, at high points if not all the way through, is as spooky as the public was prepared to take then! Of course, even 50 years earlier von Weber attained stardom with his Wolf's glen scene from "Der Freischutz", which demonstrates people did crave for the mysterious and the terrifying - but it still had to be reigned in. A Bernard Herrmann (fond as he was of "Lenore") would have had people bolt screaming back then. :))
Only have the Glazuov and they are gems.
We would like to actually see these names written since they are clearly interesting but European sounding and thus slightly fuzzy sounding. Thanks.
They are written. Where were you?
Spohr is a bore.....wrote one symphony ten times.
Spohr is a bohr
That's very unfair. He actually wrote two symphonies five times each.
Some haters say this about Bruckner. It's not fair for Spohr too.