Among those of us who are welders, it's accepted that all the rust has to be off the metal before you think about welding it. A couple passes with an angle grinder will do it but it's a step that needs to be taken if the welds are to be their strongest!!
The ring of the Anvil is the rebounding of the hammer blows. The better the ring the higher your hammer will bounce saving your arms from wearing out from the extra work.
Just to be a armchair machinists/engineer it probably be a good idea to put wooden feet made of seasoned Live Oak or similar hard wood to give the anvil and the concrete floor a bit of cushion from each other. On a side note growing up their was an old man who lived up the street from me and he was a jack of all trades and master of none and one of the trades he worked in was metal work of all kind. I remember him making a stand for a anvil he had got in trade for something or another, anyway like the stand Keith just made his was made out steel but was a much different design but that is besides the point what it did have in common was a piece of plate steel the anvil was ultimately attached to using a bracket but in between the anvil and the plate steel my neighbor had put a sheet of lead about 3/8 of an inch. I asked him about it and he said that anvils sitting on steel needs something to absorb the stresses of the metal to metal contact and it didn’t really matter what it is be it wood, lead, conveyor belt, but it needed something other wise over time with heavy use the base of the anvil could/would crack. I don’t know how much validity that story is about putting something to absorb vibration and whatever between the anvil and the steel stand is but then again most of anvils I have seen are mounted on wood be it a stump or some sort of glue up. Take it for what it’s worth I am just passing along what I was told by a man who’s opinion I respected about most things mechanical, or constructed out of steel or wood.
Never heard a Norris referred to as a city man's anvil, a smith I studied under used to Irefer to them as a sack of cement, for their sound. But they are good anvils and having a 400 lb. Norris anvil is nothing to scoff at, many smiths would love to have that.👍
well… here is my story... always wanted an anvil, but never got close to one… then one day, my dad asked if i was at home, i was, and he had this 300 pound+ anvil for me, don't now the name, or the story behind it… But, thanks Dad :-) I just love that anvil, part of my family now :-) I really like you videos. great find 35 years+ ago… :-)
Maybe some nice, thick, oak feet under those legs. Very nice anvil and stand. Intererestingly, the base for an anvil has a special name in German. It's called a Schabotte or Unterbär "Lower bear." Nowadays, these names are usually only used for an anvil under a power hammer, however.
Keith you must be going to just be tapping metal with a hammer as I've never seen an anvil on a metal base. That oak stump is a dream to someone swinging a big hammer on an anvil. Still love your videos.
As an engineer I kind of took it for granted that gussets or bracing would automatically be added later, but sometimes things are not so immediately obvious. Good to see you got sound advice from some friends to brace it, otherwise the welds would end up splitting unless it was bolted to the floor.
As much as I love your fabrication and machining videos, its really refreshing to hear the slice of life stories from you, Keith. The story about how you bought the anvil, why some anvils are wanted for their sound, and your great grandad's tools. I'd like to hear more stuff like that from you!
I acquired a 200 pound Vulcan anvil for $ 50 sometime in the early 1990's. Like yours, it had a cast Iron body with a tool steel cap. It sat unused in my garage until I traded it a few years ago to a friend for some help installing new siding on my house. We agreed $ 250 sounded like a fair price. It was manufactured in 1950 and was in new condition, with just some blush rust. When stored in unheated buildings, anvils "sweat" in cold weather. They have such thermal inertia that they stay cold when the weather warms and condense moisture out of the air. Even here in Colorado they will rust over time.
I like it! My suggestion would be to impose on your buddy Eric to cut a plate to be used as a shelf for hammers, punches, whatever, also providing that "Spread" protection. And yes some kind of insulator between the anvil and the concrete would be advisable.
That is a nice anvil stand. What I found very useful on an anvil stand ist the capability to lift it up easily with a forklift or that hand operated forklift cart.
you may want to fill the legs with sand or other material to help limit the vibrations through them. i made a stand very similar for my 300lb fisher anvil and ended up filling the legs with steel blast media from work. stand is right around 100lbs by itself. i ended up using 1in plate (that was fun to drill by hand lol) and 1/4in wall 2in tubing for mine. im planning on using some of the 3m 5200 and the bolt holes to secure it to the stand
Good story. I’m surprised how many people I talk to don’t realize a person has a large assortment of tools because they acquired them one at a time over a lifetime.
I especially liked the story. I was a warehouse rep and sold auto parts to independent parts stores. Lots of the owners kids, after working for their dad for several years would work at a parts store in the town where they went to collage. Great video as always!
GREAT job as usual and always fun to see you building something for a change. I gave a local friend two engine cart wheels which he mounted on his anvil stand just so they did not touch the floor. With a custom T-handle inserted into the hardy hole, he can tip it back slightly so the wheels contact the floor for easily moving it around the shop.
Redo the leg braces with a steel box sleeve for one leg of the pallet jack to barely lift it off the floor to move it without the gantry. Also weld on several pieces of square tubing so you can bend an l or s shaped bar for a hammer table. That can be moved around to different sides easily
@@jacilynns6330 Fisher anvils nearly don't ring since they're part cast iron which absorbs the ring. Bolting down a loudly ringing anvil to a steel plate is way more efficient in canceling the ringing than putting it on a tree stump. It totally absorbed my cast tool steel anvil's ringing.
Yeah, that silly little 3-legged stand is useless as an anvil stand, absolutely no stability. Fortunately it won't be used by a blacksmith. You're not supposed to critisise Rucker, it gets numbnuts like poor little erik61801's knickers in a knot!
Good job. Those legs look better with the tie in. I've looked for anvils since about the same time as you. I've never found a good deal on one yet. I keep looking, but most are wore out yard art down here. Just saw a 200 lb piece of scrap that had a 1700 dollar price tag on it. Still looking....
Thanks for the video Keith, I made a similar 3 leg stand for my anvil this year. I bedded the anvil on some black silicone to quieten it down. Works a treat !
These saws are great in a knowelable hand but do not try it on chain. We had one and I had to take it out of the shop. Truck drivers and common sense can be verry far apart eh. I can tell by the sounds of your welds you need to spend more time with it. The welds may be sound but can look somewhat better. Nothing to worry about my friend. Place a 2 inch piece of that wonderful hardwood under the anvil that will take the ring out of the anvil. It can really hurt your ears.
Hi a great day when we see a video pup from the Keith channel 400 pounds wow. We rise early on Saturday to watch 3 video channels this is one, always a joy. What planning 1980's too now to get the stand done well you are not alone we have a list of great projects that date back equally in time. Lance & Patrick.
You should put it on a oak stump, it would dampen the noice and vibrations. If you use it as this your machines will jump on the floor, when you use a big hammer.
@@rodeo11 A good use of a anvil, as a blacksmith. is to solve discussions, you lift it up and walk around the stump and sit it down again, your opponent do the same, the one that can take most rounds is reight!
Also any plans to cushion it from the concrete floor? Some strong hardwood or possibly reinforced plastic cups under the feet would prevent shocks from being transmitted into the foundation. At the very least your feet would thank you from not having to feel all the hammer blows.
Hella anvil, I'm glad you added the rod brace underneath. I'd still suspect you're gonna break one or more of those welds under the base. That's a job for stick, not MIG.
The loud old days of ringing anvils... If you were a traveler or a spy, you could tell about activity in a village or town by the day of the week and the sounds from the smithy. No sounds, maybe plague... move on and hope the next place is louder. My grandpa said that he knew his friend the blacksmith/wright's moods from the ringing and sounds from his shop... from a half mile away.
Awesome fabrication! Heard on the news here in sweden that there were some hurricane warnings in georgia now? I hope that it'll take a detour, and not bother you :/
So you’re the young whipper snapper that “stole” my anvil when my ol’ lady sold everything off. 😡🤬 Actually I was just a couple years ahead of you in Highschool but I sure feel old when you mentioned being in Highschool more than 30 years ago. That is a great anvil and the stand is beautiful. I think the support rods underneath will be functional but they are eye candy as well, especially with the round stock hub in the middle.
hey there Keith can I ask you to bounce a ball bearing off your Fisher & Norris 400# anvil? I and any smith don't care about hammer "sound" but the rebound on the Ball bearing dropped from about 18" tells a bunch. If the ball jumps after hitting the face it is good. if it does not, you could try putting silicone under the anvil and on the 1/2" stand. So you may not wish to do this.
Why do some people give a thump down? are they thinking i can do better? if so why they just make a video and let us be the jury :-) as always thumps upp Keith.
People give a "thump" down because they didn't like something about the video, which is the intended use of the function. It doesn't negatively effect a video's performance, so why worry?
The Shock wave going directly into the concrete bothers me a bit, the inertia of the 400lb is more than enough for forging by hand. I don't think you need the hard joint to the floor. Perhaps some tire tread patches cut from a scrap tire and bolted to the bottom of the steel circles would alleviate that. It would raise the height by 3/4 inch or so though.
No disrespect but *I* would have made that base out of heavier tubing, using the same for the triangulation supports inside. But *I* like overkill! Check out Alec Steele for his anvils. And another thing: Why is it that I KNOW I'm looking at a computer screen and STILL turn away when somebody strikes an arc? And as FlatHammer wrote a big old Oak stump will spread the impact over a larger area and absorb some of the impact. Now it has to be cut flat and sitting on a good flat spot. Outside on the dirt it'll make it's own flat spot...
RIGHT NOW, theres a 60 pound Fisher & Norris on eBay for $1,200 and a 100 pounder for $1000........... I'd say your did OK for a 400 pound one for Fitty Bux !!!
I sure would like to have heard your anvil after you mounted it. It certainly was a fine-looking job but a noisy anvil can be horrible to work around. Wooden stumps and chains have little to do with having a quiet anvil.
The stand looks the business. Great funny story of the poor dudes tools love it. Large authentic square headed nuts and bolts would compliment it. Nice job Keith.
Bought my small anvil while on a camping trip 40 years ago, kept it in the tent with us all week!
Among those of us who are welders, it's accepted that all the rust has to be off the metal before you think about welding it. A couple passes with an angle grinder will do it but it's a step that needs to be taken if the welds are to be their strongest!!
Hey Keith
A fan from Edmonton here. Love your humbleness and the wisdom you share with us all. Thanks
Vanderhoof, just west of Prince George BC. As you wrote.
"Happy as a clam."
And I thought I was the only one who ever used that expression. I have never heard anyone else use it until now.
The ring of the Anvil is the rebounding of the hammer blows. The better the ring the higher your hammer will bounce saving your arms from wearing out from the extra work.
Keith I really like your stories. The story I'd like to hear now is how you moved it from that ladies yard to your home. Thanks, Bob
Just to be a armchair machinists/engineer it probably be a good idea to put wooden feet made of seasoned Live Oak or similar hard wood to give the anvil and the concrete floor a bit of cushion from each other. On a side note growing up their was an old man who lived up the street from me and he was a jack of all trades and master of none and one of the trades he worked in was metal work of all kind. I remember him making a stand for a anvil he had got in trade for something or another, anyway like the stand Keith just made his was made out steel but was a much different design but that is besides the point what it did have in common was a piece of plate steel the anvil was ultimately attached to using a bracket but in between the anvil and the plate steel my neighbor had put a sheet of lead about 3/8 of an inch. I asked him about it and he said that anvils sitting on steel needs something to absorb the stresses of the metal to metal contact and it didn’t really matter what it is be it wood, lead, conveyor belt, but it needed something other wise over time with heavy use the base of the anvil could/would crack. I don’t know how much validity that story is about putting something to absorb vibration and whatever between the anvil and the steel stand is but then again most of anvils I have seen are mounted on wood be it a stump or some sort of glue up. Take it for what it’s worth I am just passing along what I was told by a man who’s opinion I respected about most things mechanical, or constructed out of steel or wood.
thats a beautiful Anvil. and now you can use it without breaking your lower back.
Never heard a Norris referred to as a city man's anvil, a smith I studied under used to Irefer to them as a sack of cement, for their sound. But they are good anvils and having a 400 lb. Norris anvil is nothing to scoff at, many smiths would love to have that.👍
Beautiful little job.
well… here is my story... always wanted an anvil, but never got close to one… then one day, my dad asked if i was at home, i was, and he had this 300 pound+ anvil for me, don't now the name, or the story behind it… But, thanks Dad :-) I just love that anvil, part of my family now :-)
I really like you videos. great find 35 years+ ago… :-)
Maybe some nice, thick, oak feet under those legs. Very nice anvil and stand. Intererestingly, the base for an anvil has a special name in German. It's called a Schabotte or Unterbär "Lower bear." Nowadays, these names are usually only used for an anvil under a power hammer, however.
Keith you must be going to just be tapping metal with a hammer as I've never seen an anvil on a metal base. That oak stump is a dream to someone swinging a big hammer on an anvil. Still love your videos.
As an engineer I kind of took it for granted that gussets or bracing would automatically be added later, but sometimes things are not so immediately obvious. Good to see you got sound advice from some friends to brace it, otherwise the welds would end up splitting unless it was bolted to the floor.
I know you will get many years of service out of that anvil. The stand is built to last and I hope you enjoy every minute you spend pounding on it.
wow great story about the anvil!
your great great great grandchildren will be pounding on that. Always a pleasure to watch your videos. Keep smiling Keith
Lovely stand and anvil
Beautiful anvil! the stand complements it nicely, heavy duty and stylish just like the anvil. And what a great story! love it!!
As much as I love your fabrication and machining videos, its really refreshing to hear the slice of life stories from you, Keith. The story about how you bought the anvil, why some anvils are wanted for their sound, and your great grandad's tools. I'd like to hear more stuff like that from you!
I acquired a 200 pound Vulcan anvil for $ 50 sometime in the early 1990's. Like yours, it had a cast Iron body with a tool steel cap. It sat unused in my garage until I traded it a few years ago to a friend for some help installing new siding on my house. We agreed $ 250 sounded like a fair price. It was manufactured in 1950 and was in new condition, with just some blush rust. When stored in unheated buildings, anvils "sweat" in cold weather. They have such thermal inertia that they stay cold when the weather warms and condense moisture out of the air. Even here in Colorado they will rust over time.
I like it! My suggestion would be to impose on your buddy Eric to cut a plate to be used as a shelf for hammers, punches, whatever, also providing that "Spread" protection. And yes some kind of insulator between the anvil and the concrete would be advisable.
Excellent work 👍 thank you for the inspiration I'm currently building one very similar
I'd love to have a Fisher Norris. I have a Peter Wright and an NCtool Anvil but a Fisher Norris is the prize. My last name is Norris...
That is a nice anvil stand. What I found very useful on an anvil stand ist the capability to lift it up easily with a forklift or that hand operated forklift cart.
Really nice anvil Keith, great job on the base and Love the story behind it!
you may want to fill the legs with sand or other material to help limit the vibrations through them. i made a stand very similar for my 300lb fisher anvil and ended up filling the legs with steel blast media from work. stand is right around 100lbs by itself. i ended up using 1in plate (that was fun to drill by hand lol) and 1/4in wall 2in tubing for mine. im planning on using some of the 3m 5200 and the bolt holes to secure it to the stand
Good story. I’m surprised how many people I talk to don’t realize a person has a large assortment of tools because they acquired them one at a time over a lifetime.
I especially liked the story. I was a warehouse rep and sold auto parts to independent parts stores. Lots of the owners kids, after working for their dad for several years would work at a parts store in the town where they went to collage. Great video as always!
GREAT job as usual and always fun to see you building something for a change. I gave a local friend two engine cart wheels which he mounted on his anvil stand just so they did not touch the floor. With a custom T-handle inserted into the hardy hole, he can tip it back slightly so the wheels contact the floor for easily moving it around the shop.
The best looking anvil stand I have ever seen.
That is a great story. Thank you Keith!
very nice job and nice anvil
Great story. And fantastic looking anvil.
Nice project
Redo the leg braces with a steel box sleeve for one leg of the pallet jack to barely lift it off the floor to move it without the gantry. Also weld on several pieces of square tubing so you can bend an l or s shaped bar for a hammer table. That can be moved around to different sides easily
Always interesting Kieth thanks for sharing 👍🇦🇺
Thanks for the great story.
It took me over 25 years to find an anvil. I had to repair it first, but at least i have one now. For free.
I was a millwright for 35 years. I prefer hard wood for mounting anvil ( an old oak stump 30" dia.) the wood has a little give a bounce.
yeah? lets see your 400 pound Fisher & Norris.
I was thinking the same thing. He should put a layer of rubber between the stand and anvil. I cant help but think this is a good bell.
Exactly. I've never seen a real anvil that wasn't on a stump. Love Keith's ability but sometimes simple is No. 1!
@@jacilynns6330 Fisher anvils nearly don't ring since they're part cast iron which absorbs the ring. Bolting down a loudly ringing anvil to a steel plate is way more efficient in canceling the ringing than putting it on a tree stump. It totally absorbed my cast tool steel anvil's ringing.
Yeah, that silly little 3-legged stand is useless as an anvil stand, absolutely no stability. Fortunately it won't be used by a blacksmith.
You're not supposed to critisise Rucker, it gets numbnuts like poor little erik61801's knickers in a knot!
I am jealous of that anvil.
I love the portability and "dead" sound of my 100 lb. Fisher Norris anvil. I have a 300 lb. Hay-Budden, that rings like hell, for heavier work.
Love your anvil story!
Good job. Those legs look better with the tie in. I've looked for anvils since about the same time as you. I've never found a good deal on one yet. I keep looking, but most are wore out yard art down here. Just saw a 200 lb piece of scrap that had a 1700 dollar price tag on it. Still looking....
Nice stand glad you had it reviewed by your engineer, would have been my suggestion
I always liked the hardwood stump better than the metal bases.
Thanks for the video Keith, I made a similar 3 leg stand for my anvil this year. I bedded the anvil on some black silicone to quieten it down. Works a treat !
Really nice build Keith! Would love to build something similar.
These saws are great in a knowelable hand but do not try it on chain. We had one and I had to take it out of the shop. Truck drivers and common sense can be verry far apart eh. I can tell by the sounds of your welds you need to spend more time with it. The welds may be sound but can look somewhat better. Nothing to worry about my friend. Place a 2 inch piece of that wonderful hardwood under the anvil that will take the ring out of the anvil. It can really hurt your ears.
Keith, nice job on the stand, just what i was looking for, debating number of varies ways, but i am sold on this one, thanks
That looks like a super nice anvil!
Hi a great day when we see a video pup from the Keith channel 400 pounds wow.
We rise early on Saturday to watch 3 video channels this is one, always a joy. What planning 1980's too now to get the stand done well you are not alone we have a list of great projects that date back equally in time.
Lance & Patrick.
50 bucks is a steal for a 400 lb. anvil! Nice work!
I bet the cheated on wife knew that as well so she could tell her cheating husband just how little she sold it for to break his heart.
Nice!! Great stand and story.... :-)
That crane is earning its keep 👍
Keith, That anvil was the score of the century.
Great job
You should put it on a oak stump, it would dampen the noice and vibrations. If you use it as this your machines will jump on the floor, when you use a big hammer.
It’ll get about as much use as that fancy forge he built a few years ago.
@@rodeo11 A good use of a anvil, as a blacksmith. is to solve discussions, you lift it up and walk around the stump and sit it down again, your opponent do the same, the one that can take most rounds is reight!
Also any plans to cushion it from the concrete floor? Some strong hardwood or possibly reinforced plastic cups under the feet would prevent shocks from being transmitted into the foundation. At the very least your feet would thank you from not having to feel all the hammer blows.
"Couldn't get the money out of my wallet fast enough" 😊 Great base Keith, and what a find on that anvil. Love the story.......
enjoyed watching you make your stand,I do have a nice 300 lb. fisher
Looks like a giant on an itty bitty donkey lol. Great design and build. I wonder if a sheet of rubber between them would dampen it even more.
Have a ACME 110lb military contract anvil with the same sort of bolt ears, holds it on my oak cutoff real well.
Hella anvil, I'm glad you added the rod brace underneath. I'd still suspect you're gonna break one or more of those welds under the base. That's a job for stick, not MIG.
I'd recommend to fill legs with sand before welding- to dampen vibration from anvil or it will sound like a church bell.
Not this one. As Keith mentioned, cast iron body anvils do not "ring." It would be useless as an instrument in "The Anvil Chorus." ;-)
@jacktheripped You're not going to ruin your anvils dreams of being in the Anvil Chorus are you?
Nice Anvil Keith. I hope that guy doesn't see his anvil and come after it.
I have a 346 pounder.
Nice job Keith, looks great.
like your welding hood I just got mine in the mail today just like it
...I like the steampunk welding-helmet. :)
Good thing that helmet is nice and tactical, so the deer can't see you welding :)
I'm starting to worry a bit about the concentration of mass in that part of the country, I wonder what Hank Johnson would think as well?
That's funny!!! Has that island tipped over yet by the way?
@@dannywilsher4165 ha I'm pretty sure it's still there. always cracks me a good one though just thinking about it!
The loud old days of ringing anvils... If you were a traveler or a spy, you could tell about activity in a village or town by the day of the week and the sounds from the smithy. No sounds, maybe plague... move on and hope the next place is louder. My grandpa said that he knew his friend the blacksmith/wright's moods from the ringing and sounds from his shop... from a half mile away.
Awesome fabrication! Heard on the news here in sweden that there were some hurricane warnings in georgia now? I hope that it'll take a detour, and not bother you :/
It's going to hit Florida, my state.
@@aarongossage5064 Then I hope that both you and Abom will be fine!
Thank you. Preparing as well as we can.
THANK YOU...for sharing. Very nice job, like the legs.
Great story Keith! What are they worth now I wonder.....
Sept 1, 2019 I know the storm is heading your way. Take care!RJA
Wish I had watched this before I made my stand.
If only Keith knew someone with a metal plainer so the top so the anvil could be refaced.
Eric Paul yeah but who would have a big enough metal planner...
Great job, thanks!!
There's a lesson here in the anvil storey.
Nice ANVIL
So you’re the young whipper snapper that “stole” my anvil when my ol’ lady sold everything off. 😡🤬
Actually I was just a couple years ahead of you in Highschool but I sure feel old when you mentioned being in Highschool more than 30 years ago.
That is a great anvil and the stand is beautiful. I think the support rods underneath will be functional but they are eye candy as well, especially with the round stock hub in the middle.
hey there Keith can I ask you to bounce a ball bearing off your Fisher & Norris 400# anvil?
I and any smith don't care about hammer "sound" but the rebound on the Ball bearing dropped from about 18" tells a bunch. If the ball jumps after hitting the face it is good. if it does not, you could try putting silicone under the anvil and on the 1/2" stand. So you may not wish to do this.
Keith, save your Knees! Put a pad down when kneeling on concrete!
Phineas Rumson Keith is made out of concrete and steel.
Good
nice
Why do some people give a thump down? are they thinking i can do better? if so why they just make a video and let us be the jury :-) as always thumps upp Keith.
andar....Of course they do. Every comment on here is from an "anvil expert"! Some of them claim to have invented the anvil.
People give a "thump" down because they didn't like something about the video, which is the intended use of the function. It doesn't negatively effect a video's performance, so why worry?
I was told 12-15 degrees is best
The Shock wave going directly into the concrete bothers me a bit, the inertia of the 400lb is more than enough for forging by hand. I don't think you need the hard joint to the floor. Perhaps some tire tread patches cut from a scrap tire and bolted to the bottom of the steel circles would alleviate that. It would raise the height by 3/4 inch or so though.
Nice!
No disrespect but *I* would have made that base out of heavier tubing, using the same for the triangulation supports inside. But *I* like overkill! Check out Alec Steele for his anvils. And another thing: Why is it that I KNOW I'm looking at a computer screen and STILL turn away when somebody strikes an arc? And as FlatHammer wrote a big old Oak stump will spread the impact over a larger area and absorb some of the impact. Now it has to be cut flat and sitting on a good flat spot. Outside on the dirt it'll make it's own flat spot...
If you want the ping to go away, just put a large magnet under the heel near the hardy hole
RIGHT NOW, theres a 60 pound Fisher & Norris on eBay for $1,200 and a 100 pounder for $1000........... I'd say your did OK for a 400 pound one for Fitty Bux !!!
Hey your engineer friend is correct but your solution is off, those legs need to be welded directly together like a triangle.
I sure would like to have heard your anvil after you mounted it. It certainly was a fine-looking job but a noisy anvil can be horrible to work around. Wooden stumps and chains have little to do with having a quiet anvil.
Just needs painting !!
The stand looks the business. Great funny story of the poor dudes tools love it.
Large authentic square headed nuts and bolts would compliment it. Nice job Keith.
If the dude had kept is tool at home where it belonged, he would still have his anvil.
A log is always best for a anvil. M
Nicebase, beautiful anvil. Are you going to touch up those chips on the hard part, or is that looking for trouble? Cheers and thanks for the vid!
nice looking stand for the anvil. Unrelated subject is there a place to find the correct paint color for a M2A Excelsior power hack saw