Looking for a new tennis game with no dog in this fight. Going purely off this footage, and having watched and played tennis for over 40 years: TE4 has the most convincing ball physics. The ball in FAT skids off the clay as if it is a hard court. Player positions are deeper in TE4, more in line with what you see on clay. Animations of TopSpin are clearly far superior to both, however Nole and Nadal’s serve/groundstrokes are much better likenesses of the real players in TE4 and FAT. More shots hit the net in FAT, more are out of court in TE4. Topspin 4 seems dumbed down next to both.
En mi opinión, como simulador es el TE 2013 con mods. Ponerte las canchas en 2D y jugar.. parece que estés viendo un partido en la TV. La naturalidad del golpeo.. la física de la pelota son impresionantes. Además la IA tiene muchísimos niveles de dificultad.. y cada punto que juegas se siente diferente. En Full ace Tennis (también he jugado muchísimo) llega un momento en que te das cuenta de que la IA siempre reacciona de la misma manera.. está muy automatizada. En tennis Elbow no es así, la máquina en cada punto reacciona de una manera, es difícil llegarte a aburrir jugando un partido. Creo que como simulador que intenta asemejarse a la realidad, me quedaría con tennis elbow 2013, lo veo muy superior al tennis elbow 4
Question, how is posible that TE and FAT get the proper shot swing of each player and other games like topspin with more resources need to bring the player to a studio to simulate de movement in the game?
Hello, I'm the author of the TE series. I have some notes : - for reference, here are the highlights of Nadal vs Djokovic at Roland Garros in 2021 : th-cam.com/video/kA78LV2DIP8/w-d-xo.html - in FAT, Nadal plays mostly on the baseline, the ball doesn't bounce high like on the real clay ; in real, the players often hit 4~5 meters away from the baseline at shoulder height - in FAT, Nadal left/right positioning is silly ; eg : 6:34 : he's often too far away from the middle. This is because in FAT, it's too easy to do very crossed balls, that don't bounce high enough, so to cover these unrealistic angles, the AI has to position itself unrealistically - in FAT, net clearance is too low, leading to too many net faults - in FAT, at 8:15 , Nadal takes the advantage in point and does a very poor net rush that ends with an average passing-shot that is still a winner, while Nadal is as dynamic as my grandmother during the whole phase (*) ; it happens in a nearly identical way 1 or 2 points after ; this is very common in FAT : taking the advantage in the rally (if it was a real match) actually leads to getting disadvantaged and losing the point : this is anti-tennis - Maybe TE4 is unrealistically too fast, but then you should also tell the real Nadal & Djoko they play unrealistically too fast, coz they are noticeably more dynamic than in FAT 😅 (see link above) - Overall, TE4 is obviously not perfect, but at least it doesn't break the spirit of tennis but instead enhances it to make the experience more epic🙂 - As seen in the TE4 example here, the player can barely win a point against Nadal on clay : this is the personal hell met by most players in real life ; if you don't know how to play like the real Djoko, you're going to be destroyed by Nadal on clay in TE4 (and also in TE2013). That is tennis. 💪 (*) All decent tennis fans aged 40+ should get this reference, coming from a sore loser at a Grand Slam, announcing the imminent defeat of his opponent, only for that player to win the tournament a few days after... 😛
@@ivan_2k1 @ManaGamesCom totally agree with you, i love how in TE4 the surfaces feel different from each other and the ball physics are way better as well, but animation wise Te2013 is in another league...
@@ivan_2k1 & @kiliansouc : Personally, I prefer the TE4 animation, because the racket will almost always go into contact with the ball, plus it shows if you're mispositioned, as the more you are, the sillier is the animation, so gameplay-wise it gives a lot of feedback, plus it brings a lot of variations in the anims and we don't feel seeing the exact same anim each time like in TE2013. Thus said, many people like you aren't fans of all this and miss the old TE2013 system, so I decided a few days ago to allow disabling the dynamic animation system in TE4, which should give a result very close to TE2013, but this means your player will be able to hit balls that are visually out of his reach ; I'll try to give the possibilty to partially disable the system, so far ball will still be touched by the racket edge.
En el tenis real también hay velocidades de golpeo muy rápidas, lo que ocurre es que TE4 normalmente los rallies son aceleración contra aceleración todo el partido y por eso se hace rápido
Bajar a todos los jugadores en el archivo players.ini la potencia de golpeo, pero hay que ir uno a uno y es muy complicado eso porque además los valores en el archivo players.ini son muy raros@@JetMC254
Hello, I think that FAT has more variety of plays, it is more of a simulator and I think the speed of the ball is the one that most resembles real tennis.
cual es el mejor? tengo el FAT pero he leido muchos comentarios de que el tennis elbow 2013 es el mejor de todos con todos los parches que tiene, pero ahora que esta el tennis elbow 4 quizás sea mejor que el 2013 entonces tengo la duda de cual de los 3 es mejor, buen video!
Si te gusta el realismo en velocidad de la pelota y poder hacer una gran número de golpes diferentes y jugadas variadas el FAT creo que es el mejor de los 3, además estoy probando unas cosas en FAT que creo que lo harán más real
He jugado los 3 el fat es bueno al igual que el te pero tienen fallos en mi opinión el primero que es el que mas he jugado los rallys pueden ser muy tediosos debido al nulo agotamiento de los jugadores la velocidad y reacción son exageradas el segundo aunque no lo jugue tanto note que este tiene el bote exagerado de la pelota y en ambos esos fallos se me hicieron molestos y decepcionantes porque eso no es simulación para mi el topspin4 sigue siendo el mejor con su mixtura de arcade y simulación en su medida exacta y espero el nuevo que sale sea mejor.
Topspin's the best experience you're getting on a console (plus it's aesthetically miles above both TE and FAT) but when it comes to accurately simulating ball striking, spins, surfaces, the sheer pace that pros can hit with etc... Topspin falls woefully short, though the trade-off is that it's far more accessible to the layperson. It's a tennis game for people that don't play tennis IRL, which isn't necessarily an awful thing - tennis is a sport that's both very niche and very difficult to play well.
@@TennisDC99 Oh, I'll happily repeat my initial point that Topspin is light-years beyond both TE and FAT when it comes to anything involving graphics or animation - the latter two simply aren't in the same league. My issue, however, goes far deeper than simply 'ball speed' as you put it - if you've ever watched high level tennis (Open and above) up close it becomes clear that Topspin's shots and ball physics aren't a patch on what TE and FAT (and Dream Match, for that matter) have to offer, even if it looks a lot prettier. For instance, there's very little weight of shot to heavy topspin strokes meant to push opponents off the court (IRL it's more than just a matter of timing), it's *far* too forgiving when it comes to the volley/transition game and on the run defensive shots... and yes, the average ball speed is indeed too low. For a supposed sim experience, it's lacking when it comes to replicating the technical ins and outs of ATP tennis. Now, with all that being said - Topspin is ultimately a far more accessible tennis game because of the choices the devs made; it's just not my game of choice. Apples and oranges. Ideally you'd have TE/FAT/DM on the sim end, Virtua Tennis and Mario Tennis on the arcadey end, and Topspin splitting the difference.
Looking for a new tennis game with no dog in this fight. Going purely off this footage, and having watched and played tennis for over 40 years: TE4 has the most convincing ball physics. The ball in FAT skids off the clay as if it is a hard court. Player positions are deeper in TE4, more in line with what you see on clay. Animations of TopSpin are clearly far superior to both, however Nole and Nadal’s serve/groundstrokes are much better likenesses of the real players in TE4 and FAT. More shots hit the net in FAT, more are out of court in TE4. Topspin 4 seems dumbed down next to both.
En mi opinión, como simulador es el TE 2013 con mods. Ponerte las canchas en 2D y jugar.. parece que estés viendo un partido en la TV. La naturalidad del golpeo.. la física de la pelota son impresionantes. Además la IA tiene muchísimos niveles de dificultad.. y cada punto que juegas se siente diferente. En Full ace Tennis (también he jugado muchísimo) llega un momento en que te das cuenta de que la IA siempre reacciona de la misma manera.. está muy automatizada. En tennis Elbow no es así, la máquina en cada punto reacciona de una manera, es difícil llegarte a aburrir jugando un partido.
Creo que como simulador que intenta asemejarse a la realidad, me quedaría con tennis elbow 2013, lo veo muy superior al tennis elbow 4
Question, how is posible that TE and FAT get the proper shot swing of each player and other games like topspin with more resources need to bring the player to a studio to simulate de movement in the game?
because those from Top spin or other AAA games do not see real tennis and the developers of FAT and TE do see real tennis
@@zappingolsport5012 In addition to that these or mods done by the community not by devs of TE or FAT
Yes it is clear that the mods improve the animations a lot@@boomfaoce
Hello, I'm the author of the TE series.
I have some notes :
- for reference, here are the highlights of Nadal vs Djokovic at Roland Garros in 2021 : th-cam.com/video/kA78LV2DIP8/w-d-xo.html
- in FAT, Nadal plays mostly on the baseline, the ball doesn't bounce high like on the real clay ; in real, the players often hit 4~5 meters away from the baseline at shoulder height
- in FAT, Nadal left/right positioning is silly ; eg : 6:34 : he's often too far away from the middle. This is because in FAT, it's too easy to do very crossed balls, that don't bounce high enough, so to cover these unrealistic angles, the AI has to position itself unrealistically
- in FAT, net clearance is too low, leading to too many net faults
- in FAT, at 8:15 , Nadal takes the advantage in point and does a very poor net rush that ends with an average passing-shot that is still a winner, while Nadal is as dynamic as my grandmother during the whole phase (*) ; it happens in a nearly identical way 1 or 2 points after ; this is very common in FAT : taking the advantage in the rally (if it was a real match) actually leads to getting disadvantaged and losing the point : this is anti-tennis
- Maybe TE4 is unrealistically too fast, but then you should also tell the real Nadal & Djoko they play unrealistically too fast, coz they are noticeably more dynamic than in FAT 😅 (see link above)
- Overall, TE4 is obviously not perfect, but at least it doesn't break the spirit of tennis but instead enhances it to make the experience more epic🙂
- As seen in the TE4 example here, the player can barely win a point against Nadal on clay : this is the personal hell met by most players in real life ; if you don't know how to play like the real Djoko, you're going to be destroyed by Nadal on clay in TE4 (and also in TE2013). That is tennis. 💪
(*) All decent tennis fans aged 40+ should get this reference, coming from a sore loser at a Grand Slam, announcing the imminent defeat of his opponent, only for that player to win the tournament a few days after... 😛
Manutoo the only problem I see in TE4 is the animations, it feels like it went a step back from TE2013
And also the custom animations for some reason the racket is rotated from its normal axis
@@ivan_2k1 @ManaGamesCom totally agree with you, i love how in TE4 the surfaces feel different from each other and the ball physics are way better as well, but animation wise Te2013 is in another league...
@@ivan_2k1 & @kiliansouc : Personally, I prefer the TE4 animation, because the racket will almost always go into contact with the ball, plus it shows if you're mispositioned, as the more you are, the sillier is the animation, so gameplay-wise it gives a lot of feedback, plus it brings a lot of variations in the anims and we don't feel seeing the exact same anim each time like in TE2013.
Thus said, many people like you aren't fans of all this and miss the old TE2013 system, so I decided a few days ago to allow disabling the dynamic animation system in TE4, which should give a result very close to TE2013, but this means your player will be able to hit balls that are visually out of his reach ; I'll try to give the possibilty to partially disable the system, so far ball will still be touched by the racket edge.
@@kiliansouc Especially when modded. The feeling is just so realistic
The forehands on TopSpin are atrocious
El principal problema de Tennis Elbow es que es demasiado rápido, la velocidad de cada disparo es muy alta
En el tenis real también hay velocidades de golpeo muy rápidas, lo que ocurre es que TE4 normalmente los rallies son aceleración contra aceleración todo el partido y por eso se hace rápido
@@zappingolsport5012 exacto. Hay alguna manera de cambiar esto en el juego ?
Bajar a todos los jugadores en el archivo players.ini la potencia de golpeo, pero hay que ir uno a uno y es muy complicado eso porque además los valores en el archivo players.ini son muy raros@@JetMC254
@@zappingolsport5012 ok gracias
I was a hardcore tennis elbow 2013 player but FAT is winning me over, i can't lie
Hello, I think that FAT has more variety of plays, it is more of a simulator and I think the speed of the ball is the one that most resembles real tennis.
@@zappingolsport5012 very true. There's some topspin 2k25 footage around, we wanna see how that game compares to FAT and TE4
Yes we will do a comparison of Topspin 2k25 when I have it in my hands
cual es el mejor? tengo el FAT pero he leido muchos comentarios de que el tennis elbow 2013 es el mejor de todos con todos los parches que tiene, pero ahora que esta el tennis elbow 4 quizás sea mejor que el 2013 entonces tengo la duda de cual de los 3 es mejor, buen video!
Si te gusta el realismo en velocidad de la pelota y poder hacer una gran número de golpes diferentes y jugadas variadas el FAT creo que es el mejor de los 3, además estoy probando unas cosas en FAT que creo que lo harán más real
@@zappingolsport5012 va a salir algun nuevo parche para el FAT? o que estas probando
@@zappingolsport5012 y entre el TE4 y el TE2013 cual es mejor? igual pretendo comprar uno de los dos
A nivel de simulación y jugabilidad full ace tennis
He jugado los 3 el fat es bueno al igual que el te pero tienen fallos en mi opinión el primero que es el que mas he jugado los rallys pueden ser muy tediosos debido al nulo agotamiento de los jugadores la velocidad y reacción son exageradas el segundo aunque no lo jugue tanto note que este tiene el bote exagerado de la pelota y en ambos esos fallos se me hicieron molestos y decepcionantes porque eso no es simulación para mi el topspin4 sigue siendo el mejor con su mixtura de arcade y simulación en su medida exacta y espero el nuevo que sale sea mejor.
People who think TE or FAT are better than Topspin should stick to android games.
Lol ok
Topspin's the best experience you're getting on a console (plus it's aesthetically miles above both TE and FAT) but when it comes to accurately simulating ball striking, spins, surfaces, the sheer pace that pros can hit with etc... Topspin falls woefully short, though the trade-off is that it's far more accessible to the layperson. It's a tennis game for people that don't play tennis IRL, which isn't necessarily an awful thing - tennis is a sport that's both very niche and very difficult to play well.
Top Spin is for the people who like to watch tennis, TE is for the people who play tennis.
@@chaltier4 Ball speed isn't everything, running animations stroke animations, graphics are all superior in Topspin.
@@TennisDC99 Oh, I'll happily repeat my initial point that Topspin is light-years beyond both TE and FAT when it comes to anything involving graphics or animation - the latter two simply aren't in the same league. My issue, however, goes far deeper than simply 'ball speed' as you put it - if you've ever watched high level tennis (Open and above) up close it becomes clear that Topspin's shots and ball physics aren't a patch on what TE and FAT (and Dream Match, for that matter) have to offer, even if it looks a lot prettier. For instance, there's very little weight of shot to heavy topspin strokes meant to push opponents off the court (IRL it's more than just a matter of timing), it's *far* too forgiving when it comes to the volley/transition game and on the run defensive shots... and yes, the average ball speed is indeed too low. For a supposed sim experience, it's lacking when it comes to replicating the technical ins and outs of ATP tennis.
Now, with all that being said - Topspin is ultimately a far more accessible tennis game because of the choices the devs made; it's just not my game of choice. Apples and oranges. Ideally you'd have TE/FAT/DM on the sim end, Virtua Tennis and Mario Tennis on the arcadey end, and Topspin splitting the difference.