I appreciate the sub24 it really is a popular niche in dark and darker that no other content creator bothers to explore. New player like me in this wipe are constantly looks for guides for beginner lobbies but all I see is 200+ gear builds occasionally very rarely 124+. I'm a new player trying to improve my mechanical skills how would i even be able get there, I understanding saving and buying the kits but i'm trying not to donate my gear to better players alright i wanna git good before I hit those lobbies and there are simply no sub content 24.
The trick about sub 24 is, that there is new players that will have no chance. Thats why there is 3000+ h players min maxing on 24 gs to feel great about stomping us timmies. Thats all there is to it. So just keep learning the pve and spacing and hiding and running etc. If somone with thousands of hours on you catches you no build will help you.
I’ve been doing this build with hide mastery instead of jokester in under 124 and over. Been very good as u can get the burst dmg faster with hide mastery over and over while u widow then down with poison. Such a fun build
Great video its cool to see another rogue player come to similar conclusions, i play rogue this way as well so it was awesome to get some confirmation of sorts. Of course you should just go ahead and make under 24 videos for all classes, but I personally would like to see an expansion on this rogue video for high lobbies.
I have been cooking druids on duos with Cutthroat... prock their dream walk with a handcrossy or dagger and push with cutthroat to silence as soon as they come out of dream walk usually gets the job done.
I started playing this game 4 days ago and choose the rogue because he is cool, but I didn't know this guy was nerfed to death lol, pretty good vid bro helped a lot.
I feel u mate. Thought rogue is a class like in all other fantasy games, with a lot of damage dealing and speed, then realized that I can't win a single fight cos any character is basically better in all ways
The Dev's have struggled to balance Rogue, mostly due to their stealth mechanic. Whenever Rogue has been in a "Strong" state, the game gets fully warped around them. It makes the game miserable for everyone, as invisible Rogues will pop up and kill you constantly, without enough counter play. I hope they remove/rework hide, then give Rogue new and interesting ways to fight, aside from the low counter play DPS check, out of invisibility.
Rogues do have a lot of damage and speed. I just got 2 shot from full HP by a Rogue a few game ago. But Rogue often has to leverage their speed to outplay the tankier opponents. Classes like Fighter and Barb can succeed with much less skillful gameplay.
@@trozers Yeah I definitely feel how Fighter just presses his skills and runs and slashes, should've start playing that class instead of Rogue... Sometimes I can't even kill Fighters and Barbs from behind with all that stealth buffs I got, they just turn around and oneshot me poor bald head
I've been spamming rogue and barb for a long while and I always love min maxing the low level kits :P, gonna try out the hybrid build but replace ambush with hide as that is feeling kinda dope for me atm!
Bear Druid is additionally painful for Rogues in the sense that any sensible Druid will run Thorn Coat, meaning every stab means 5 true damage to you, which adds up quickly. Even if the Bear Druid is terrible and gives you ample opportunity to stab him, he will have high PDR while you are taking tons of damage by stabbing him. Means the only real option you got is to poison, kite, run, poison, get him low enough for him to panic and then either opportunity kill him or wait out his inevitable rat transform into poison death.
@@trozers actually not really. Any damage bear takes is basically 50-60% reduction of both physical and magical damage, so even rupture will deliver very small amount of damage. You can try to kite bear with a rapier, but its unless you aren't cornered, because it will mean a death sentence, and if you do not have rapier, then you are pretty much screwed. So, the only actual way to deal with druids is mosquito playstyle, but even then, its very much of a stalemate. You can't go melee with druid because you will get obliterated, and druid cannot reach you to be honest, if you punish their panther form by dagger, and their heal will always be better than your damage, so, it will last until someone gives up and just leaves.
every time you say he must have heard us was definitly them seeing a puff try imeadiatly walking backward as soon as you invis to see how long it lingers its what kills rouges the most
one class that would really benefit of a vid like this is druid as without scalling you lose to a bard or cleric even in bear form and all you can is do is run away
the intro alone got you a sub lol (also what is it with dark and darker content creators and runescape music? Are we all fellow runescape addicts?! also also, the guy at 9:12 saw the last few particles of your invis smoke)
if you dont have/dont want to be the ugly lizard skin you could also use the shadow mask and go shirtless with blue darkleaf boots, idk how much worse it really is but you get some strength at least and female human rogue has pretty hair :)
Thanks for the video. I would have liked to see a clip vs a fighter that uses a bow and vs longsword plate fighter. Half the lobbies are filled with them. Also, have you run the proper maths behind dagger mastery damage ? I did it on 124 gs with a blue dagger and the phys power scaling is kinda insane. Have you tried kris dagger ? Any thoughts ?
I’m also interested in your take on bard under 24 gs. I prioritize dex but I’m not strong enough it feels, I go strength and playing music is too slow. Rapier with rapier mastery never never actually feels right for me. I’ve seen some people mention using a rondel, but I’ve been using an arming sword and it’s been okay. I’d love to see a video on that. Obviously higher gear I do way better, but when I wanna mess around under 24 it’s pretty tough
Bard one trick here. Until your question is answered. Squire gear I run Rawhide gloves(pref dex ones) Straw hat. Wanderer attire or heavy gambison. Dex pants and Lightfights. You play range and kite until you close in for the kill.
Rapier with warsong is disgusting for disintegrating bosses with shriek of weakness ballad of courage and rousing rhythm along with Aria of Alacrity. The self steroid buffs go hard.
The exact video I've been looking for forever. Can't wait to see if my build is any similar. I legit take tumble loool Ok, so like I assumed the dagger perks were just too good not to take. Perhaps I'm wrong. This is the exact build I wanted to try but thought daggers were too OP not to use. Or rapier not doing enough damage when ambushing. Cant wait to try. Also you're the first person I've seen who said to use darkleaf boots. Are they new to the game or something? They're so good
Where are you getting the extra Will point? Rogue is 10 base Will. Darkleaf will put you to 12 Will. Where did you get the extra Will point? I found the err. In the "What to build" part you say wear strength gloves but in game you are wearing leather gloves which would be the only way you are hitting 15 Will. ;) Also Common Loose Trousers will not lower your MS so you could wear those for the little extra PDR :)
Good tip with the loose trousers. Without finding gear in raid, you will likely have below 15 will and 15 strength, but the goal is to get as close as possible. I think the strength is more importance, hence the str gloves. But leather gloves are a viable alternative.
Pure dps no hide rogue is absolutely devastating. I can face tank a fighter in full plate. Kill other classes before they can react. Barbarians are a problem though.
Dagger master becomes better at high gear. Low gear, I think jokester is better. Stiletto is good. Hide mastery is also a decent option, as discussed in the video.
I won the vast majority of the fights that I took with this build. Unless you are referring to the countless deaths I had when I was new to dark and darker.
End match up list: everything counters rogue unless rogue gets the jump on them. Good video. I love rogue even if they nerfed him into the ground. I'll just have fun playing the weakest class. Thanks for the video
i know sometimes you gotta play ball, but i pray for the day a TH-camr doesn’t tell me to subscribe at the start of the video. (im being pedantic) >:) edit. I subbed.
I learning rogue over 130 hours now and i still try watch pls tactics etc i dont even feel scared to pvp but with rogue man its hard mostly i lost geared fights thanks to npc hit me and during moment of heal a dude shows every time and its over or i leave him 1/2 hp and riskin 2k kit i dont like even if its only 2 k i would smash strenght on rogue atleast 18 and above and many times i play hide rupture poison and AIM for the head i get it 1/2 headshots and rest is kite with trowables but still i win fights thanks to dudes being unexpirienced the amonth of play rogue players have to do is sick and still i see aloot ppl beggin to nerf rogue like wtf why? Every class tapps you in 1/2 hits and if you survive that “jump” and 3/4 stabs your chance for win is 50% atleast if you dont panic and start chasing xd i wish rogue had some small buff i even dont run boots on my rogue and it helps alooot rather have ambush or dagger mastery than nerfed creep
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I came here for the build. Stayed for the matrix scene. Subbed for the amazing Hotline Miami soundtrack on gameplay.
Glad to see a man of culture.
yo that under 24 guide for bard would be fire. Great video bro.
+1 to this, I am garbage at Bard and need that guide
+1
I agree please release the u24 Bard guide
My Mate needs the bard Guy too. Pls! ❤
@JoernGrunewald Already out brother!
ngl I had already been doing this but the darkleaf boots and the lizard skin recommendations were a huge plus! TY for the inspo
I appreciate the sub24 it really is a popular niche in dark and darker that no other content creator bothers to explore. New player like me in this wipe are constantly looks for guides for beginner lobbies but all I see is 200+ gear builds occasionally very rarely 124+. I'm a new player trying to improve my mechanical skills how would i even be able get there, I understanding saving and buying the kits but i'm trying not to donate my gear to better players alright i wanna git good before I hit those lobbies and there are simply no sub content 24.
The trick about sub 24 is, that there is new players that will have no chance. Thats why there is 3000+ h players min maxing on 24 gs to feel great about stomping us timmies. Thats all there is to it. So just keep learning the pve and spacing and hiding and running etc. If somone with thousands of hours on you catches you no build will help you.
@@hurstiwursti if you cant beat them join them, i have 250 hours and i also started min maxxing in -24
lizard barbs are no longer a problem to me
Yes Bard guide please!! Im loving Bard but struggling
The intro itself was worth a sub
I’ve been doing this build with hide mastery instead of jokester in under 124 and over. Been very good as u can get the burst dmg faster with hide mastery over and over while u widow then down with poison. Such a fun build
under 24 help. thank you for making this video. you are the man! keep it up!
Great video its cool to see another rogue player come to similar conclusions, i play rogue this way as well so it was awesome to get some confirmation of sorts. Of course you should just go ahead and make under 24 videos for all classes, but I personally would like to see an expansion on this rogue video for high lobbies.
I have been cooking druids on duos with Cutthroat... prock their dream walk with a handcrossy or dagger and push with cutthroat to silence as soon as they come out of dream walk usually gets the job done.
Great video holy shhh, I am impressed W content my guy
Best intro ever
Just started this game yesterday, this video is great. totally subbed. Hopefully now I can learn to play a bit better:) ps. great music!
Best of luck on your dark and darker journey. I'm glad the video was helpful!
I started playing this game 4 days ago and choose the rogue because he is cool, but I didn't know this guy was nerfed to death lol, pretty good vid bro helped a lot.
I feel u mate. Thought rogue is a class like in all other fantasy games, with a lot of damage dealing and speed, then realized that I can't win a single fight cos any character is basically better in all ways
The Dev's have struggled to balance Rogue, mostly due to their stealth mechanic. Whenever Rogue has been in a "Strong" state, the game gets fully warped around them. It makes the game miserable for everyone, as invisible Rogues will pop up and kill you constantly, without enough counter play. I hope they remove/rework hide, then give Rogue new and interesting ways to fight, aside from the low counter play DPS check, out of invisibility.
Rogues do have a lot of damage and speed. I just got 2 shot from full HP by a Rogue a few game ago. But Rogue often has to leverage their speed to outplay the tankier opponents. Classes like Fighter and Barb can succeed with much less skillful gameplay.
@@trozers Yeah I definitely feel how Fighter just presses his skills and runs and slashes, should've start playing that class instead of Rogue... Sometimes I can't even kill Fighters and Barbs from behind with all that stealth buffs I got, they just turn around and oneshot me poor bald head
Trozers single handedly increasing the darkleaf boots stock
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@@trozers been running this for the last few hours chillin in
@@MrGodPowered Awesome, I'm glad to hear it!
got my sub with the matrix scene... lfg
Just started to play more bard and loving it, but would appreciate the
Check out my most recent upload
@@trozers yup, saw that you had already made the bard one..I tried it out once so far but didn't run into PVP...that purple Lute crushes PVE though+
100% the fighter at 9:12 came around the corner as your hide mirage particles were just disappearing
I've been spamming rogue and barb for a long while and I always love min maxing the low level kits :P, gonna try out the hybrid build but replace ambush with hide as that is feeling kinda dope for me atm!
Bear Druid is additionally painful for Rogues in the sense that any sensible Druid will run Thorn Coat, meaning every stab means 5 true damage to you, which adds up quickly. Even if the Bear Druid is terrible and gives you ample opportunity to stab him, he will have high PDR while you are taking tons of damage by stabbing him. Means the only real option you got is to poison, kite, run, poison, get him low enough for him to panic and then either opportunity kill him or wait out his inevitable rat transform into poison death.
Yeah, bleeding the bear out with throwing knifes and hand crossbow bolts is the way to beat it.
@@trozers actually not really. Any damage bear takes is basically 50-60% reduction of both physical and magical damage, so even rupture will deliver very small amount of damage. You can try to kite bear with a rapier, but its unless you aren't cornered, because it will mean a death sentence, and if you do not have rapier, then you are pretty much screwed. So, the only actual way to deal with druids is mosquito playstyle, but even then, its very much of a stalemate. You can't go melee with druid because you will get obliterated, and druid cannot reach you to be honest, if you punish their panther form by dagger, and their heal will always be better than your damage, so, it will last until someone gives up and just leaves.
every time you say he must have heard us was definitly them seeing a puff try imeadiatly walking backward as soon as you invis to see how long it lingers its what kills rouges the most
I'm aware of the puff, I just thought it would have dissipated by then
now you just get 2 tapped by a horsemans axe from a squire gear barb while having 124 gear score rogue
one class that would really benefit of a vid like this is druid as without scalling you lose to a bard or cleric even in bear form and all you can is do is run away
I don't think you can make druid "OP" in under 24, lol. But I could definitely make an OP 124 build for Druid.
@@trozers go for it as most druid builds are over that line
@@trozers you can hit 23-24 strength if you buy ox pendant or copperlight pants
the intro alone got you a sub lol (also what is it with dark and darker content creators and runescape music? Are we all fellow runescape addicts?! also also, the guy at 9:12 saw the last few particles of your invis smoke)
I think most of us are young adults who grew up playing Runescape. It's also so fitting as they are both medieval fantasy games.
when you go into hide there like a puff of black smoke that happens for half a second, that's what he saw 9:10
if you dont have/dont want to be the ugly lizard skin you could also use the shadow mask and go shirtless with blue darkleaf boots, idk how much worse it really is but you get some strength at least and female human rogue has pretty hair :)
The main issue is you'll need to make up for the lost armor by wearing pants and a shirt which will slow you down by about 6ms.
You could also use the loose trousers since it gives agility, which makes up for the movement speed deficit, on top of adding some armor
thx for the vid, we need the under 124 rogue now plz
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Thanks for the video. I would have liked to see a clip vs a fighter that uses a bow and vs longsword plate fighter. Half the lobbies are filled with them.
Also, have you run the proper maths behind dagger mastery damage ? I did it on 124 gs with a blue dagger and the phys power scaling is kinda insane.
Have you tried kris dagger ? Any thoughts ?
Dagger mastery is great in -124 and 124+. Kris is my personal favorite dagger, I think it's really good.
He seen you from the smoke particles
Thx that helped a lot
I’m also interested in your take on bard under 24 gs. I prioritize dex but I’m not strong enough it feels, I go strength and playing music is too slow. Rapier with rapier mastery never never actually feels right for me. I’ve seen some people mention using a rondel, but I’ve been using an arming sword and it’s been okay. I’d love to see a video on that. Obviously higher gear I do way better, but when I wanna mess around under 24 it’s pretty tough
Bard one trick here. Until your question is answered. Squire gear I run Rawhide gloves(pref dex ones) Straw hat. Wanderer attire or heavy gambison. Dex pants and Lightfights. You play range and kite until you close in for the kill.
Rapier with warsong is disgusting for disintegrating bosses with shriek of weakness ballad of courage and rousing rhythm along with Aria of Alacrity. The self steroid buffs go hard.
The exact video I've been looking for forever. Can't wait to see if my build is any similar. I legit take tumble loool
Ok, so like I assumed the dagger perks were just too good not to take. Perhaps I'm wrong. This is the exact build I wanted to try but thought daggers were too OP not to use. Or rapier not doing enough damage when ambushing. Cant wait to try.
Also you're the first person I've seen who said to use darkleaf boots. Are they new to the game or something? They're so good
Good video, maybe exchange the dubstep for something more relaxing?
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give me the red pill so I can show it down my duo's gullet
Yay barbarian runs as fast as rogue. Give us back 30 agi
Where are you getting the extra Will point? Rogue is 10 base Will. Darkleaf will put you to 12 Will. Where did you get the extra Will point? I found the err. In the "What to build" part you say wear strength gloves but in game you are wearing leather gloves which would be the only way you are hitting 15 Will. ;) Also Common Loose Trousers will not lower your MS so you could wear those for the little extra PDR :)
Good tip with the loose trousers. Without finding gear in raid, you will likely have below 15 will and 15 strength, but the goal is to get as close as possible. I think the strength is more importance, hence the str gloves. But leather gloves are a viable alternative.
Pure dps no hide rogue is absolutely devastating. I can face tank a fighter in full plate. Kill other classes before they can react. Barbarians are a problem though.
Is jokester better than dagger mastery? Also what are your thoughts on the stiletto dagger? And thoughts on hide mastery? Is it troll
Dagger master becomes better at high gear. Low gear, I think jokester is better. Stiletto is good. Hide mastery is also a decent option, as discussed in the video.
As fun as this looks. You're not showing the 50 times you got destroyed immediately to finally get that one clip. Lol
I won the vast majority of the fights that I took with this build.
Unless you are referring to the countless deaths I had when I was new to dark and darker.
Can you make a geared rogue build ?
what perks and skills would u do on higher gear or does this work?
This does work in higher gear, but there are a few changes. I may make a video discussing that in the future :)
I'm korean, dark and darker warlock play thanks,
Subscribe, like click OK, I will watch the video, thank you.
End match up list: everything counters rogue unless rogue gets the jump on them.
Good video. I love rogue even if they nerfed him into the ground. I'll just have fun playing the weakest class. Thanks for the video
I alway have a stiletto and a dagger, is that ok? I saw you so often with just one dagger @trozers
Unless the dagger has + weapon damage roll, it's never worth it. You are losing movement speed by holding, and only gaining 5% extra armor pen.
@@trozers oh ok. So what shall I Take, stiletto?
i know sometimes you gotta play ball, but i pray for the day a TH-camr doesn’t tell me to subscribe at the start of the video. (im being pedantic) >:)
edit. I subbed.
Same I'm more likely to sub when people don't do that. However, pretty sure he gets more subs BY doing that unfortunately.
What about wearing shadow mask for head piece?
Grey shadow mask is lackluster. Lizard is better imo because it gives enough armor to no longer need pants or a chest. +6 movespeed saved there.
double jump on ruins imo
Definitely a good option if you know how to abuse the vertical aspects of the map.
Busted after some practice, especially with a bunch of throwables
I learning rogue over 130 hours now and i still try watch pls tactics etc i dont even feel scared to pvp but with rogue man its hard mostly i lost geared fights thanks to npc hit me and during moment of heal a dude shows every time and its over or i leave him 1/2 hp and riskin 2k kit i dont like even if its only 2 k i would smash strenght on rogue atleast 18 and above and many times i play hide rupture poison and AIM for the head i get it 1/2 headshots and rest is kite with trowables but still i win fights thanks to dudes being unexpirienced the amonth of play rogue players have to do is sick and still i see aloot ppl beggin to nerf rogue like wtf why? Every class tapps you in 1/2 hits and if you survive that “jump” and 3/4 stabs your chance for win is 50% atleast if you dont panic and start chasing xd i wish rogue had some small buff i even dont run boots on my rogue and it helps alooot rather have ambush or dagger mastery than nerfed creep
3:20 i know this music but ican't remember
Hotline Miami OST!
How are you staying under 25 with darkleaf boots and strength gloves????
Darkleaf boots are the only item above common grade that I'm bringing in. Anything else is found in raid.
Do 124 rogues
Why are the subtitles disabled for this video? Do you hate us Latinos? ;,,c
9:16 esp for sure
Nerf rogue
How are you getting 15 will with this?
Boots +2 will, gloves +2 will, and Jokester Perk +2 will
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how are you a lizard
Nope i got a ultimate build i start that and i wipe lobby again with my rouge invis is for noobs 🎉
me am also noob me want build
I wish I could do this. All I see are magic spammers.