I found a drive similar to this one *STILL RUNNING* in a rack at an AT&T wire center. I'm sure it hasn't done anything useful in 40 years, but if you've ever worked at/with AT&T, you'll understand why it's still there. "Not mine. I don't know what it does. I don't want to be responsible for what happens if it doesn't do that anymore. Just build a new rack beside it and leave it alone."
Reminds me of the time I was told to sort out the old Netware server at a high school & middle school (the schools were close to each other and served by the same server room) that had joined the county. Showed several people logged in and despite asking both schools to make multiple announcements about it, that didn't change. Probably the scariest reboot I've ever done, but no one complained so it worked out okay.
I see a lot of older people here talking about their experiences with these computers, and that's awesome :3 I'm a gen z (20 years old) but find older tech like this really cool, especially love the big bulky monitor aesthetic, always glad to see people making efforts to preserve tech history ^w^
I find it funny that gen z think this is cool. Why? Why do you think it is cool? I'm of the same era as this hard drive and to be honest, my generation are a bit disappointed in the majority of your generation. Not all of them but most.
@@WhatALoadOfTosca This hard drive is cool as a piece of computing history. The engineering and design that went into making something that could store what is now a very small amount of data is fascinating in and of itself, and stands as a testament to how far we have come. As for your last statement, rest assured that equally as many young people are just as, if not more disappointed in people from your generation.
Have you seen the price it used to cost you to lease an IBM desktop for a year? You would get about 256Mb on the hard drive. Anyway, I like a big screen so I can keep 2 things going at once. Win 11 doesn't seem to like that.
11:13 The LM339 is not an OPAMP but a comparator with open collector output. Connecting the outputs together forms a so-called "wired and". The output is high if and only if all four conditions are met (= all outputs are high). It any of the comparators is low, it's output transistor pulls the signal low.
Yeah, that's on me, after having built OpAmps in tubes so much using long-tailed pairs, my brain just defaults that terminology. It was only during editing I realized what I had said and I thought "No one will notice." Boy was I wrong, lol.
David, that head retract gave me a PTSD! So did reusing that filter! But I do understand... The Hawk drives are very forgiving. We would go in for a preventative maintenance and find a scuffed platter that was still working perfectly. The customer was able to back up what they needed, generally on floppy, and we'd replace the platter and heads. Phenix drives aren't so forgiving! I believe the base configuration was a 2.5 meg fixed config without the removable. Not sure if that had a different bowl or some kind of insert. By the late 80s the hawk based systems were end of life, so if the customer was running out of space, we'd flip the switches and give them the whole 10 meg. Remember, back in those days 10 meg was a lot of floppies! We worked on a lot of systems that didn't have hard drives. So having 10 meg was awesome! Seems like 8 inch floppies were about 160 k! Hooking up an Oscope would have been a good idea on your alignments. It would help to see the maximum signal. And cool to look at! We used to align drives to a customer's pack when the drive wasn't properly aligned before a crash. Of course we'd align it properly after the data was backed up. You need a Kennedy tape drive! Still my favorite thing I've worked on! Great video! Thanks!
Even modern hard drives are forgiving, at least some of the better quality ones. I only have an old computer (Core i5, 10ish years old) because I am poor. Several weeks ago, it was getting hotter and hotter (the fan was spinning way faster than it used to do before) and getting slower and slower. One day (I am running Windows 10 which is basically rock solid - for a Windows) I saw a blue screen for the first time in the 4 1/2 years I have owned this machine. After that, it won't start anymore. I opened it up and the hard drive was COOKING. I let it cool down and after that it would sometimes hit the windows boot screen and would fail with a hardware error screen. Pretty sure then it was the hard drive. Bought an SSD, and after setting up a new Windows on it, out of curiosity I hooked up the old hard drive onto the second SATA port - and it was readable! I was able to get back ALL my data, only some times it put read errors but would eventually read it after hitting "Retry" several time. Wow! So, only thing what really annoys me: why on hell the S.M.A.R.T didn't warn me in time that the hard drive is gonna fail?
@@Oli1974 Did you have that feature turned on in the BIOS? Even so, I'm not sure if it's going to warn you about excessive temps. It's criteria for "impending failure" may be different.
@@russellhltn1396 Yes, that was my first question too, but I checked and yes it was turned on. I think the hard disk probably still is perfectly fine but due to the heat it started to have problems magnetizising the platter properly, causing the errors in the most written sections first. Pretty sure after a reformat it won't be showing issues anymore. The drive was so hot I couldn't touch it, so well over 80 degrees C for sure and that must have been way out of spec.
This episode means so much to me man. This is exactly what my dad used to do at his first job. He'd go on service calls and repair/align disk drives, although I believe they were something more like IBM 1311s. Originally an electrical engineer, taught himself to program and followed that path. Still bummed he got rid of his SWTPC 6800 sometime in the early 00s. But his working TRS-80 sits behind me as I work in my office. Thank you for all that you do.
This brings back lots of nightmare memories. In the early 1980's, we paired the CDC Hawk drives with either a Texas Instruments Ti/99/10 or a Ti/99/10A CPU. Being forced to run one of these drives on an active construction site with lots of drywall dust was a challenge. I got really good using a small microscope to re-polish crashed heads and a CE Pack to realign the heads. At that time, new heads were $750 a pop, so there was a bit of an incentive to refurbish heads whenever possible.
@evanbarnes9984 A building automation system. We were integrating HVAC, fire and security systems for two 26 floor office towers and a large retail shop area all under one roof.
I was working for Honeywell, a weekend service call, the customer loaded disk pack into a drive, it was crashed, then they moved to two other disk with the same results. I had to replaced all the heads for 2 drives, the third was a third party unit. At that time the r/w head were expendable so I threw them away only to find out that the company wanted them to be returned. opps
When working with Honeywell , we had a system installed in Mexico City, the air pollution was so bad , the main air filter needed to be replaced monthly. We also had a system in an office over the repair shop when they maintain City Buses. filthy
There may be more issues with that burnt-up SCR. It's supposed to be, I think, a crowbar circuit to trip the breaker if the regulator voltage gets too high. It's supposed to only conduct for like a tenth of a second until the circuit-breaker trips. I used a circuit like that around 1968 but with a 1 ohm current-limiting 1/4 watt resistor in series with the SCR. When I tested it, the resistor exploded and sent resistor shrapnel all over, including near my eyes! But in your example there seems to be a different problem-- the area is so charred up, one might deduce that the breaker did not trip quickly enough or maybe not ever. So I'd probably test or just replace the associated circuit breaker. It's always something!
Yep, I thought the same... An SCR can only be turned off by cutting the current through it.... It's certainly being used to protect against an "oh f##k" scenario....
@@realnutteruk1 Yeah. My guess is a small electrolytic in the 5-volt regulator got leaky due to sitting around for a few years, so on the next power-up the regulator circuit thought the +5 was waay too high so it tripped the SCR crowbar. But tripped it continuously, and the circuit-breaker is stuck and won't trip, so we're talking SCR-deadly current in a second or two. Not a great design. Long ago I fixed a $4900 Fluke voltage standard with a similarly-jinxed power supply. They may have put a new-hire electrical engineer on that one.
+1 for the Crowbar circuit, have not checked full schematics there, but an SCR behind a bunch of LM399 comparators that seemingly shorts out the supply is like 99.999% a protection device. In this case it was seemingly to weak to trip the breaker. BUT the core issue must be found or the PSU may burn up the drie electronics.
A trip back to the good old days of field service, I used to fix those in the early 80's, particularly the Hawks and Tridents, my workmate left his pack of cigarettes inside the cabinet under the Hawk used by ERNIE (the random number generator used by the premium bond system), he wasn't a happy camper that day as we had a tight window to perform a PM - fortunately they were still there when we did the next PM a year later.
I remember seeing my first 10mb hawk drive and thinking, it’s insane how could you ever create 10mb of data without backing up everything 100times. I remember also looking at the ibm 360k floppy disk and wondering what would you be doing moving that much data. How things have changed
My first PC had a 1.2GB hard drive. Now you can get microSD cards with multiple orders of magnitude more storage than that in something the size of a fingernail. It's kind of bonkers in comparison.
I felt the same way when the first DVD-R came along... and when I saw my first terabyte SD-card. That was brutal.... more data than I kept inside my entire desktop system, on a piece of plastic the size of my fucking thumbnail. 🤯
@highpath4776 The last drives we used actually had sealed HDD's installed on the chassis with a tape drive for backup. I can't remember for sure, but I think they were Sugart drives. Within a year or two, we began using PC's.
That BASF label on the lever of the removable platter gave me warm fuzzy feelings of decades long gone, my first own floppy disk I bought for school (we had Apple IIe machines donated by a local bank when they upgraded to something else) to save my work on... Was a 2-pack from BASF. Sweet blast from the past, haha. Had been a computer nerd for a while before we finally got computer science available as a course. I literally knew those machines a lot better than the teacher (back then, there weren't any actual CS teachers around, they were physics or mathematics teachers that took some training to qualify as a CS teacher).
It is in that shot, but the write failing was confirmed in the memory monitor with the write protect off. It actually illuminates the fault light when trying to write to that specific lower head, which means that the Hawk sees a current problem trying to power either erase coil or the write coil. Thankfully, it still reads just fine, so there is an avenue for usage there.
I like their miniaturization. I bet one could store a lot of song lyrics on it for their Centurion pod. Imagine rollerblading down by the beach, with your mini centurion in tow, with a battery powered terminal, reading off all of the era's best song lyrics. 😅😊
you might need to add in a white cargo van, but that's not suspicious in any way. At least not for 70's tech. Maybe throw in a waterbed and a Boom BOX.
I know you are joking, but 10MB will only store about 5 minutes of audio, even at moderately low quality (8 bit 32Ksamp/sec). So you would probably need that white van with a dozen or so more drives in it to get enough audio to attract the girls. :-)
Great episode. I was surprised you didn't check the rubber bumper from the first. You might put that on your checklist. All the drives you work on after sitting for 40 years will need new bumpers.
I was having a problem with saturating both of my brain cells while working on this one, haha. But you're totally right, checking the rubber bump stops should definitely be a step on the bring up check list!
This reminds me of the NCR 8250 mini computer, my wife worked on. She did the data enter for a accounting office on a terminal similar to those. She could key very fast an accurately it amazed me. When they switched to micros in mid eighties we got the old computer and drives and discs to play with. My buddy still uses the cabinet in his shop got a mig welder in it, slides out nicely lol.
Hi, David! Сarbonized textolite conducts electric current. Before installing a new thyristor, it is worth cleaning off the burnt layer between the board tracks. Otherwise, an unpleasant surprise may occur.
is the same for modern PCBs? then again I imagine if theres burnt PCB material on modern stuff its done in most cases since its probably going to be multi-layer PCB for modern electronics and computers.
@@nekomasteryoutube3232 Yes, modern PCBs being burnt causes them to become conductive. Though with modern multi-layer boards, you're usually in for a bad time of grinding down through the board layers and removing all of the conductive material. You can't have layers shorting to other layers, or traces in layers shorting to other traces. Certain older models of Apple's Macbooks were known to have a fault where inner layers of the board had a short, and it would blow the board apart, either leaving a bulge or blowing off either the top or the bottom of the board.
I definitely did! I just didn't film it is all. I went through with an exacto knife and got rid of the charring. The fiber underneath was horribly discolored, but the charring itself was properly removed.
This is such a great benchmark to learn how hard it was reading and writing 10mb data in that era. Kudos to the creator and the channel for this awesome video 🎉
IPA has an additive that leaves a residue. Most places that I have been, you can buy 100% ethanol at the drug store by asking at the pharmacy counter, and ethanol leaves no residue. We used to use it to clean internal elements on broadcast camera lenses, and after it evaporated, there was no film left on the glass. You might want to consider using it for cleaning platters and heads.
IPA sold in the US generally will have no additives. There are variations with respect to the amount of water; "rubbing alcohol" generally will have 70% IPA, with the rest water, while "pure" IPA is sold at 91% or 99%. Either of the latter would be fine for cleaning electronics or disk platters. In some cases, rubbing alcohol will have other additives, like menthol or other fragrances, but since those will all be 70% concentration anyway, they wouldn't be suitable for cleaning in the first place. Isopropyl alcohol should not be confused with "denatured alcohol" (as it's sold in the US), which is methyl alcohol that does have various additives, all meant to render the alcohol non-drinkable. One wouldn't want to use that sort of thing for cleaning electronics or disk platters, but it's fine for other kinds of workshop cleaning uses.
Ethanol is hygroscopic. It likes to mix with water to such a degree that it will pull water out of the air to dilute itself down to ~95%. That's why Everclear is 190 proof, not 200. You can get it more pure than that, but once it's opened and exposed to air, it's going to regress toward that 95% level.
It's crazy to think that just over 10 years later, the IBM Type 1 MFM hard disk would come out in full height 5.25 inch size, weighing about 10 lbs with a capacity of 10 Mb. I had one somewhat recently in a 286.
@@UsagiElectric Not only the web, almost all modern software is huge. Faster computer results in lazier developers, more layers of frameworks and code and thus way more storage usage than necessary.
I remember having a custom comics page with a ton of newspaper comics on it back in the late 90s. I had an ISDN connection, which was fast at the time, but I'd end up letting it load in the background while I did something else, because it'd max out my bandwidth and take a couple of minutes to download them all. Now I could download it in less than a second, if it still existed.
I was a field-service engineer back in the 1980s and the most nerve-wracking part of that job was powering-on those drives after doing maintenance on them. The heads flew only 0.00025 inches (6.35 μm) above the disk surface on a cushion of air and there was no room for error on my part...errors were EXPENSIVE if the drive crashed. There is a scientific name for the "cushion-of-air" principle which kept the heads reliably flying but I have forgotten it. (It's probably the same principle which keeps hard-drive heads from touching the disk even today. Thankfully nowadays we don't have to dismantle and re-assemble hard-drives.)
I worked at CDC/Magnetic peripherals in those days. I broke into that business on their 40/80MB removable disk drive. That one had 5 heads and we had to manually align 5 heads on each drive. Special servo packs were used to align each head. lots of fun!
Another very interesting episode, David! Enjoyed it a lot! Am I totally out of my mind when I‘m thinking: “That head doesn’t look mechanically too complicated - can’t they ‘just‘ build a new one from scratch?“ 😳
Thank you! I mean, that is something we want to do! Though, not quite making one from scratch, more I want to dig in deep into rewinding one that is already blown. But if we could essentially repair bad heads into full working condition, the only that's then keeping us bringing all of these old drives up are platters!
@@UsagiElectric I imagine that at some point someone will be setting up a CVD machine to deposit a fresh coating of magnetic material onto a platter. Should be a lot easier to do today than in the 1970s, that's for sure :) Same with building a new RW head, considering how primitive those early HDDs were compared to even what we saw in the late 1980s, I'd be shocked if they couldn't be made any more today by a serious hobbyist. Then again I do not have the design specs in front of me, so what do I know :)
@@MayaPosch I mean, we're already looking into how to re-coat a rotating drum, it's not an insane leap to get to spin coating aluminum platters! I have a bunch of crashed ones hanging out, someday we may just dig into them and see if we can get to a point to where there's nothing on these drives we can't restore!
@@UsagiElectricyes, I think repairing blown coils on the head may be the most viable solution. I think an orthodontics or jewellery laser welder might give you a chance to reconnect broken coils. If that does not work, you may have to drill down into the head material to the coil and use a solder to re-connect the break. I think winding anew coil around the ferrite might be a but challenging because the you need to build up the whole cover material around the coil. The tolerances for the ferrite positioning are pretty tight.
@@UsagiElectricthat is a sporty challenge. In my experience with these disks they rarely just crashed. Usually by the time the drive was shut down the head had been grinding into the Aluminium. The tolerances are right enough that such ridges could eliminate all the. Work you had put in. But I think the head supply is the main issue. I think there are still a fair number of disks to be found on the 2bd had matkets, but heads ..., that is not so easy.
I wonder if that blown SCR is part of a crowbar circuit to shut down the 5V supply hard, tripping the breaker, in the event of a 5V overvolt. Perhaps the 5V rail has tried to overvolt intermittently in the past but, for some reason, was unable to trip the breaker and cooked.
Oh further reading of the schematic, in fault conditions SCR Q3 actually applies power to a solenoid in the mains breaker to trip the mains power off. Perhaps there is something wrong with the breaker/wiring taking out the SCR in the event of over voltage on the 5V rail.
Heh. When I saw the title of this video what came to mind was some full height drive of maybe 5 or 10MB capacity and with an ST506 interface. I actually have run across drives like this, one where a guy actually had one with legs on it and brought it in to me wanting to know if there was any way that I could interface it to his c64. :-) Then there was a GRI mini in several racks that had a couple of these type of drives in it, I think in that case the capacity was 10MB + 10MB rather than 5MB for each platter such as you describe here. The power supplies were different, being completely enclosed and connecting to the drive with a thick cable terminating in an oddball multi-pin connector. I used to have a platter hanging on my wall that had a head crash on it, not sure whatever happened to that. It's been a really long time since I had to troubleshoot anything like that! Worst I can remember doing is the external HD box that hooks up to my Osborne Executive computer, it had a linear power supply in it and a brief power glitch wiped out the first track on the drive. After putting a switching power supply in the box I laboriously re-built that track using a sector editor, and recovered all of my files. That drive had a whopping 20MB of capacity. There's also a Kaypro 4 around here with a different external drive box that has a pair of 40M drives in it, plenty of capacity for when you're running CP/M.
When PCB material is charred like that it turns to carbon and becomes conducive. It can be a low enough resistance to heat the PCB and cause it to glow red if there is sufficient power connected to it or it can short out signals. Best to cut it out and glue some replacement material over the hole. Drill it and use wires to remake the traces or perhaps make a new tiny new PCB.
@stephendouglas684 The best HEPA media would be the filter media that's used for Bio Safety lab hoods. That media is a high efficiency filter media designed to trap even viral material.
@@stephendouglas684 I saw the same thing. Fortunately, his process of running the drive for an hour without allowing the heads to fly, would most likely purge everything off of the platter. This is exactly what I would do when cleaning them in the field without benefit of a proper clean room. When I did this, I would make my own clean room by setting up a sheet plastic lined room around the drive and CPU. I pressurized the pseudo clean room with HEPA filtered air from a small fan. Everything in the room was vacuumed and wet wiped down before opening up the drive. i really didn't miss it when these drives were replaced with sealed HDD's. The funny thing was, at that time, all the corporate gurus told us you couldn't do this in the field. I figured out all of this out without the benefit of any company training. A year later I was finally sent to the company school. I wound up showing the instructors how to field clean, repair and replace heads in these drives. Fun times.
This reminds me of the good ol nightmare of hearing the "clicks of death" on old HDD's. This is such great content that should remind us how far in such short timeperiod technology has come and will continue. It should also remind us to not loose the knowledge how to fix and operate that technology.
I was at Motorola facility in the early '90s trying to help a customer pull data off of a 8" drive. It would move maybe 150 MB then go offline. So we would power it down, wait 10 minutes or so, then repeat. I ask him if he a CO2 fire extinguisher. He did. We got the rest of the data off by shooting CO2 onto the drive electronics every 30 seconds or so.
Fascinating - appreciate the work that goes into these videos and - keeping this equipment in working order. I knew nothing of the Centurion, but I worked for DEC in the UK in the 80's and spent a lot of time servicing RL01 and RL02 drives on pdp-11s - I think they uses a very similar disk pack. They only had the removable pack, no fixed disc like these. RL01's were 5 MB RL02s a massive 10 MB on one platter! They were incredibly reliable, and very rarely did they suffer from head crashes, unlike the bigger drives. However, one of my customers almost lost a pack to a head crash - and he did not have a backup - something like 5 years of research work! Somehow we managed to recover most of the data using a set of 'sacrificial' heads before the pack gave out completely.
Man, this reminds me of working on the old Burroughs 5-platter drives back in the day. Big blowers before they knew how to leverage the Bernoulli Effect. We had to open them up in a clean-room. Mind the solder joints, make sure none are cold on that high-current PS or you'll regret it!! Test that PS under load before connecting up a drive or you may be buying new heads and platters. SCRs usually don't die without some other cause.
A few years ago I got a Compaq Portable II still rocking its original Miniscribe 20MB hard drive. I well remember my DOS days juggling floppies in a HDless system so it was nostalgic (and more than a little therapeutic) to go back to being efficient with data. The things you can do with mere megabytes if you drop fancy graphical interfaces and media-rich stuff...
I'm wondering about the filters. If they are HEPA, it should be possible to obtain a new cartridge somewhere. If they are not HEPA filters, then a good fine grade roll media might suffice, something like MERV 13 or better? I'd use such media to improvise a "pre-filter" if opening the filter box and replacing the element is not an option. You might also consider using a 3D printer to make a new filter box with a replaceable element. Some have already mentioned the SCR heat sink that is needed to keep the device cool. Even a simple aluminum angle bracket could serve, along with some thermal paste. Might not be "period correct", but it might also save you an unexpected failure (which, odds are, would happen at a VCF somewhere...)
This hardware - and you videos - are fascinating to me cuz you go "one giant step" farther back from the gear I'm experienced with. I collect and restore PC hardware from the original 1981 IBM PC up to the Pentium III stuff. I've owned a little bit of older gear, a TRS-80 and a couple Apple II's - but I've never had the chance to play with anything like this! We met at VCF East in '23 and hopefully I'll catch you again if you go in '25. Can't make it to Texas though, so I appreciate the YT videos!!
Yeah, I remember the days when we could realign disk drive heads... at least ones for floppy disks. Way back in the old days we took our Commodore 1541 in for realignment at a shop, but then a while later we learned about this special disk, 1541/1571 Drive Alignment, and how to use it and rotate the stepper motor back into spec accordingly, so I could align the drive myself and save my parents some money. Oh, and it also handled spindle speed. But man, good luck trying to realign modern disk drives; I don't know if it can even be done, even with the most modern of floppy drives (which, themselves, are already a good 20 years old now): Iomega Zip and Clik! Both Zip and Clik drives use VCs instead of steppers, but cool that you can align this even with VCs. And the Click drive is the only floppy I know of with swinging heads just like basically or more modern hard disk drives!
Power Supply - when you see blackened / carbonised pcb under, in this case, the scr, the board will almost certainly have become conductive due to the carbon build up. You can check this with a multimeter set to ohms. Where you have 120v mixed in close proximity with ttl control signals this can blow the logic. Also, the board can and will slowly heat up and eventually make smoke :¬). Please go back and check, I used to do this type of repair work and this is a common issue, repair requires milling out the burned area and filling with a mix of resin and filler material - glass beads work well, or you can cut out a patch using layers of fine glass fiber mat. When I started out 40 years ago I was a field service engineer servicing Hawk and other drives. Not all happy memories - head crash would mean hours of work - careful cleaning followed by a head alignment. First load always an adrenaline rush....
Good, congratulations on getting this at least this far working; good luck on your continued Hawk head hunt! Huh... yeah... "headhunt"! Of course! Happy Flag Day! 🏴🇺🇸
I used to have one hooked up to an Alpha Micro AM-100 system (in the old TEI / IMSAI style) chassis. I only have a couple of the disk platters left. I used to service them 30 years ago, while I was working at Consultant Field Engineering, in Merriam Kansas. We usually replaced those HEPA filters every 6 months.
I guess you will have to learn how to fix blown coils on these heads. Unfortunately, the coil repair was not covered in the maintenance course I had in 1988. We just installed new heads from CDC. I guess there might still be some old CDC engineers around, who might know the production process. The size of the actual magnetic heads on these heads was not yet ludricrously small like on later disk drives. So it may be possible the fabricate them. I am not sure if the heads are actually covered in glass or if the top material was epoxy. In any case the coils are only a few windings around that special Japanese ferrite material used in magnetic tapenheads. Maybe it would be possible to repair some of the coils under a microscope with a master welder. There might be some jewellery companies in your region, who have laser welding equipment and could try to weld the broken coils on these heads. Alternatively, you would have to strip down the heads and apply new windings then encapsulate the heads again in the cover material and create the right geometry for the spoiler hole on the head to allow it to float on the air vortex over the platter. I don't think you will get lucky enough to find any new old stock of these heads, as they were extremely fragile and prone to failure. I would think that any still available stock was used up by the mid to late 1990s, as long as the drives were still somewhat in use. I guess that the unavailability of these spare parts led to the last minicomputer to be decommissioned. So, ultimately only fixing up broken heads can fix this supply problem. These heads will fail, sooner or later. We exchanged at least 2 heads per customer per year at the time. The heads were as much consumables as the disk packs. So you need a back up solution! That is why I think your best course of action is to build a μSD card adapter that you can be used instead of the fixed platter, maybe even tie into the read/write path of the CDC drives. Then you still have experience of the drive spinning up, but not the problems associated with the lower platter. I can see that the visceral attraction of experiencing the spin up of a CDC drive. It is a unique experience, but without a source for these heads it will be a time limited experience. Good luck!
I wonder about the extent to which these corporations retained such manufacturing data and procedures. Or whether all that stuff just got tossed along the chain of buyouts, mergers, etc. Or if some other supplier made the heads that still has records.
@@KameraShy I think it was probably tossed. The CDC Disk drive manufacturing fiction seems to have been closed already in the 1980s and the company was sold in bits and pieces several times over. I also know that the German IBM disk company was dissolved an the subcontractor making the heads here has moved on from that. All the IBM managers/technologists in that division have been retired for over 20 years. Nevertheless the production process is still used by tape head manufacturers in Japan and China. The current HDD manufacturers like WD and Seagate are also constructing magnetic heads with a similar technology, but much smaller structures. The heads got reduced in size to allow for denser writing and reading, there was also a change of the way heads work with the introduction of the Giant Magnetic Resonance technology that upped capacity by a factor of 1000 in the late 1990s. So, I would think that some Japanese and Chinese companies still make tape heads that have a similar structure to those old HDD heads, although the magnetic tape heads of that time were already bigger than the disk heads, but I understand that the spoiler holes in the heads are still used in modern heads as well and that is the black magic that keeps the heads from crashing on the platters. Maybe a gofundme campaign could get a few batches manufactured, as technical drawing could be made from existing heads and the electronics in them is no magic. I remember only thst the head contained an inverter chip that allowed the noise reduction ofbthe signal in the amplifier by another inversion and signal subtraction. Naturally all of that analogue.
Awesome restoration! I wonder what really burned that SCR. It's well worth looking into the root cause. The mechanical engineering is beautiful here... the rubber is not. Nice fix on those bumps. The special alignment tool will always remind me of the Monotype casters I worked on, and the enormous number of special single-purpose tools necessary for adjusting and maintaining them.
Interestingly, of the five Hawks I've worked on so far, three of them have popped that very same SCR. That seems to a common failing point among them. I think it's less of an electrical fault and more of a heat thing. That SCR runs hot and after 30 years of heat soaking, it seems to let loose in a wonderfully violent way!
@@UsagiElectric Still - next time you see a dead regulator please double-check whatever it was powering is fine. I.e. there may be marginally bad capacitors which exacerbate the problem. If those regulators tend to go bad replacing one with a smaller package is not the best idea. I would add an off-the-shelf heatsink if one could fit there. Charred board segments are also not just an aesthetic eyesore - they can in fact conduct electricity! And it's a nighmare to fix that. In your case the leads are probably far enough for it to matter that much but please be aware of it. On an unrelated note, could you please update us on the state of emulation, software development, HW/SW reverse engineering, etc the community has done to this point? Thanks!
@@jwhite5008 yes, I was thinking of suggesting cutting the charred part off and soldering cables to an out-of-board SCR placed on a heatsink. This would have to be done after careful analysis of the circuit as for voltages, interference, thermal considerations etc.
@@jwhite5008Glad to see someone else mentioning that the charred PCB material can become conductive. It's always a good idea to remove as much of it as possible. Learned this myself the hard way, although on a much less important piece of equipment - a car audio amplifier.
Spent lots of time in the 70's aligning drives like these. The Ampex ones had a special tool used with a 'Cats Eyes' disk. If you got it wrong, it would auto-retract and try and take a couple of fingers with it. Happy days :)
Compelling project! Note, when FR4 PCBs get that hot, the burned, areas can become fairly conductive due to the carbonization. I'd suggest scraping away the carbonized regions until the underlying material is no longer conductive, to be safe.
My brother and I, got our old 'Colleges', supposedly 20MB. It was almost as large as a decent 1/2 height refrigerator in all dimensions. The 'Drums', were many times larger, than a modern mechanical drive platter. We also had the main terminal. It basically was a stack of single, removable circuits, some with a single I.C. on them, about the size of a small notebook folded. It still went. After spending time watching, the 'Nvidia', 'Annual Conference', last week it just blows my mind, how far we have really come, in this very short-time. Think how many more times powerful our 'Smart Phones' are and the capabilities they now have. It looks like within the next year we may be seeing 1.2 Trillion, Trillion calculations per second on our laptops. Just think, even 5 years ago, this was the realms of the 'Super Computer. 1.2 Petaflops per second down 12 core fibre and your average data centre, server downloading 120 TB/S. Can't wait for 'Quantam Networking'. :) There was a huge gap, before I then saw my first 5 & 1/4 'Winchester' drive. These drives I think only achieved a few thousand RPM. By the end of the decade the 'WD Raptor' had caught up with 'SCSI 3' and was achieving 10'000 rpm for the platters. Originally things were stored in a vacuum, then there was know need, but once they started getting above the 4TB mark and even 'Perpendicular stacking', was not giving enough storage. They introduced 'Helium'. I think consumers can now purchase up to a 14TB or more drive, for less than a Thousand dollars. Then all of a sudden, 3 and 1/2, 4.2GB IDE DMA 66. $642.00 dollars in 1996. The Winchester would have cost over $10,000 in N.Z. if available (Definitely not for consumers, although you could import one from the US for your 'Commodore 64'. Now I write to 1TB, SSD drives, costing $116.00 dollars each. Back in 1996/7. It was announced the US Military had purchased a 2TB 'SSD' array for $2 Million dollars US. Microsoft had just achieved 1TB, storage on their servers. Now for $40-$50-00 you can stand up a 100TB array. I hope 'Data Glass', eventually makes it into the consumer space and I was reading lately of a new 'Optical', medium storing up to 1TB. I imagine, we are going to find it will be a hack on 'Data Glass'. Just think less than a 100 years ago, most had less 'stored knowledge in print, than a single row on a bookshelf? It is believed one human brain, stores about 60-75 Petabytes of information, in it's lifetime. Imagine, how many 'Petabytes', disappears everyday from our seniors passing. I hope, soon we managed to capture this as well. :)
Well done. You have so much knowledge of these now, I’m sorry it didn’t quite get you all the way 8:24 can the “parts hawk drive” donate one of its heads?
Thank you so much! The parts Hawk drive has already donated all of its usable heads. Of all the Hawks I've worked on, I've come across four bad heads, three of which are lower heads. Granted the sample size is small, but it definitely seems that the lower head tend to die a higher rate than upper heads.
@@UsagiElectric Are bottom heads different from top ones? i.e. can bottom ones be replaced with top ones or are they of different shapes? Sorry for stupid question.
Well back in my Hayday when my repairshop was running full steam I was rwepairing a lot VTRs and VCRs . I bought chamois in bulk . Anyway that SCR got cooked I can't believe none the traces got damaged .
Love your videos, I date to the dawn of the PCs, worked on a number of TRS 80s. I was looking forward to seeing you in Baltimore but as fait would have it someone close to my wife and I had a major life event the Saturday the 18th. Oddly I was customer of Bob's in the Computerland era, so wold be good to catch up with him as well. In any case great video as always.
I've actually aligned floppy heads just by feel - in DOS, keep reading the directory until you get from General Failure to Sector not found, then when you can get a directory, read/write a large file (execute it) and to be sure, format a floppy in it and see if it'll boot on another machine. I don't know how to do it properly TBH but it looks like the way is very similar in this Hawk Drive.
@@the_kombinator CuriousMarc has a video showing how it's done. The alignment disk has an analog waveform that you view on the scope to see when the heads are aligned. The disks can't be copied and there were not very many made. If you don't have an alignment disk, you can use a known good disk and just look for the strongest signal to get close enough.
Decades ago, a friend of mine had put together an Alpha Micro 100, using an IMSAI front panel and that very same type of Hawk drive, 5MB fixed/5MB removable, with three terminals. When he packed up his life to return to NY state and assist his parents in the final years of their life, I (age ~21 at the time) helped him move it, so I know about the weight. He's since passed away himself, I imagine the machine was sold cheaply by the estate sale auction, if not simply scrapped.
I had two questions 1. have you tried moving the lower head from the removable disk to the fixed disk to get the write completed? 2. did you try realigning the head to get the data off the original bad sector? Theoretically, if you can get a complete image you can write it all back no matter what the head alignment is.... providing the heads can write/erase data
10 MB on 2 big platters. My HS in 1981 had a Corvus HD hooked up to half a dozen Apple ]['s. It was partitioned into 60+ 143k Apple floppy disk images, allocated to students rather than giving them easily-damaged floppies.
Great fix. Shame about the head. Just a thought, could you replace the fixed platter with a known working one that you could just read off ? (Or does it have to write to it too ?)
IIRC it has to be aligned correctly which is not very easy to do. He already read what he could from it - and it was just a backup copy of a removable platter they already had copied in full. The damaged head is good for reading but not for writing.
Just saw the familiar 4 letters: BASF Grew up 10ml away from the plant they made them here in Germany. Still remember the impact on the region, when the German chemic giant stopped magnetic storage media in the 80s. BTW, LM339 is a quad comparator. Not exactly an opamp.
Please tell us more about what or how the Centurion was used in the business setting. Was it a point of service (POS) data entry machine and did it do batch processing of the data it captured or did it synchronously send it's captured data to a bigger computer (mainframe) to be processed?
My first Gaming experience was on a similar system to this. Home computers were lets say just non existent at the time. Unless you were some sort of Tech Guru and a multimillion air. This was a company system and had around a 20 Meg drive that look to be around 3 foot x 3 and half foot by around almost 4 foot tall and rolled on some big heavy duty casters that you could lock down we had 4 of those and the Platters were in a vacuum. and was hooked up with some cables and As even a speck of dust would cause a crash and ruin the heads from what he said. My friend was the IT manager and had me come to play this artillery game during a stress test, don't remember the name of it But you had to shoot over a hill at another artillery unit and there was wind vectors so you had to align your shots just right to hit and destroy the artillery unit over the hill before it destroyed your artillery cannon. We did this to stress test the system through a test of the backup system after some work had been done to the system. I remember the computer room for these system was kept at 62 degrees Fahrenheit 24 hours a day. And you had to have a pass card just to get in to it the server room, though it wasn't called a server room back then. It was computer storage and systems rooms.Had dot matrix printers and huge box's of printer paper. Heck you had to be trained on just how to add new print paper He also had one of the first Apple computers that was slated to be sold to home users. He did sales for them a new job he had on the side. The home user systems were slated at around $15,000 to $ 25,000 dollars. And if I had been able to I would have bought one myself, but being a family man that wasn't possible at the time. The cost was what you could buy a 3 bedroom home for and a car was only around $ 3,500 hundred or so at that time. Which could take many years just to pay off. A few years down the road and he gave me one of the very first home Laptops of the area. Think large suitcase and around 50 lbs. had a 4 inch screen this was 4x4 inches not measured like we do today and a vacuum monitor built in the front of the system you folded down the front and had 2 huge floppy drives, the top one was for the operating system. The other was for your data. People probably don't remember or know nowadays, but there wasn't even a mouse back then or touch anything just a small built in keyboard with huge keys and these had real switches. Everything was also Backlite to not this plastic we have today. Don't I remember what operating system. But it worked and software was SO expensive as well as Parts for it. Don't even remember what happened to it. But it was out moded when he gave it to me. He said that systems as soon as they were made and went out the door were often already out of mode and considered old tech as so many breakthroughs and new systems would come out some times with then days of what a person might have just bought and taken home. For and young country backwoods boy this was Scifi taking on life. I was in my early 20's back then. Yep was a great time to be alive and living the American dream.
what would it take to *MAKE* a new coil for the drive head? We have access to modern PCB tools and PCB printing services with very small trace sizes. Alternatively, 3d-prints+CNC-lathes+CNC-mills and 32-gauge magnet wire. I feel like we should be able to manufacture a replacement part.
I heard a story from a long time ago where an old magnetic drum drive was being disassembled. Somehow the drum got loose and it ended up rolling down a staircase and smashed through a wall. This kind of hardware is absolutely Flintstones compared to stuff they had even in the 1980s.
You know, if you got one of those AC filters, I'm fairly confident you could find one of that size, or close enough you could shave the excess off without compromising it, that should work as an effective replacement.
I found a drive similar to this one *STILL RUNNING* in a rack at an AT&T wire center. I'm sure it hasn't done anything useful in 40 years, but if you've ever worked at/with AT&T, you'll understand why it's still there. "Not mine. I don't know what it does. I don't want to be responsible for what happens if it doesn't do that anymore. Just build a new rack beside it and leave it alone."
That sounds very similar to two other telco's I worked for. :)
That story totally reminds me of the TV show "Lost."
When their entire network crashes, we'll know someone touched it.
Reminds me of the time I was told to sort out the old Netware server at a high school & middle school (the schools were close to each other and served by the same server room) that had joined the county. Showed several people logged in and despite asking both schools to make multiple announcements about it, that didn't change. Probably the scariest reboot I've ever done, but no one complained so it worked out okay.
@@telengardforever7783push the button ! Save the world lol
Everytime he mentions Butler Tech it warms my heart! I went there and helped pull the drive out of the desk system, twice!
I see a lot of older people here talking about their experiences with these computers, and that's awesome :3
I'm a gen z (20 years old) but find older tech like this really cool, especially love the big bulky monitor aesthetic, always glad to see people making efforts to preserve tech history ^w^
I'm also gen z and intrested like you (I'm 16)
I find it funny that gen z think this is cool. Why? Why do you think it is cool? I'm of the same era as this hard drive and to be honest, my generation are a bit disappointed in the majority of your generation. Not all of them but most.
@@WhatALoadOfTosca This hard drive is cool as a piece of computing history. The engineering and design that went into making something that could store what is now a very small amount of data is fascinating in and of itself, and stands as a testament to how far we have come. As for your last statement, rest assured that equally as many young people are just as, if not more disappointed in people from your generation.
Have you seen the price it used to cost you to lease an IBM desktop for a year?
You would get about 256Mb on the hard drive.
Anyway, I like a big screen so I can keep 2 things going at once. Win 11 doesn't seem to like that.
Say, Mr. Gen-Z: I'm a millenial and have no idea what the point of tiktok is...
11:13 The LM339 is not an OPAMP but a comparator with open collector output. Connecting the outputs together forms a so-called "wired and". The output is high if and only if all four conditions are met (= all outputs are high). It any of the comparators is low, it's output transistor pulls the signal low.
Yeah, that's on me, after having built OpAmps in tubes so much using long-tailed pairs, my brain just defaults that terminology. It was only during editing I realized what I had said and I thought "No one will notice." Boy was I wrong, lol.
David, that head retract gave me a PTSD! So did reusing that filter! But I do understand...
The Hawk drives are very forgiving. We would go in for a preventative maintenance and find a scuffed platter that was still working perfectly. The customer was able to back up what they needed, generally on floppy, and we'd replace the platter and heads. Phenix drives aren't so forgiving!
I believe the base configuration was a 2.5 meg fixed config without the removable. Not sure if that had a different bowl or some kind of insert. By the late 80s the hawk based systems were end of life, so if the customer was running out of space, we'd flip the switches and give them the whole 10 meg.
Remember, back in those days 10 meg was a lot of floppies! We worked on a lot of systems that didn't have hard drives. So having 10 meg was awesome! Seems like 8 inch floppies were about 160 k!
Hooking up an Oscope would have been a good idea on your alignments. It would help to see the maximum signal. And cool to look at! We used to align drives to a customer's pack when the drive wasn't properly aligned before a crash. Of course we'd align it properly after the data was backed up.
You need a Kennedy tape drive! Still my favorite thing I've worked on!
Great video! Thanks!
Even modern hard drives are forgiving, at least some of the better quality ones.
I only have an old computer (Core i5, 10ish years old) because I am poor. Several weeks ago, it was getting hotter and hotter (the fan was spinning way faster than it used to do before) and getting slower and slower. One day (I am running Windows 10 which is basically rock solid - for a Windows) I saw a blue screen for the first time in the 4 1/2 years I have owned this machine. After that, it won't start anymore. I opened it up and the hard drive was COOKING. I let it cool down and after that it would sometimes hit the windows boot screen and would fail with a hardware error screen. Pretty sure then it was the hard drive.
Bought an SSD, and after setting up a new Windows on it, out of curiosity I hooked up the old hard drive onto the second SATA port - and it was readable! I was able to get back ALL my data, only some times it put read errors but would eventually read it after hitting "Retry" several time. Wow!
So, only thing what really annoys me: why on hell the S.M.A.R.T didn't warn me in time that the hard drive is gonna fail?
+1 on the Kennedy drive! I remember our system vendor using a Kennedy tape unit to backup the drives on a Perkin-Elmer 3205 🤓
@@Oli1974 Did you have that feature turned on in the BIOS? Even so, I'm not sure if it's going to warn you about excessive temps. It's criteria for "impending failure" may be different.
@@russellhltn1396 Yes, that was my first question too, but I checked and yes it was turned on.
I think the hard disk probably still is perfectly fine but due to the heat it started to have problems magnetizising the platter properly, causing the errors in the most written sections first. Pretty sure after a reformat it won't be showing issues anymore.
The drive was so hot I couldn't touch it, so well over 80 degrees C for sure and that must have been way out of spec.
Yes. Can confirm that 8" floppies were 160kb at the time.
This episode means so much to me man. This is exactly what my dad used to do at his first job. He'd go on service calls and repair/align disk drives, although I believe they were something more like IBM 1311s. Originally an electrical engineer, taught himself to program and followed that path. Still bummed he got rid of his SWTPC 6800 sometime in the early 00s. But his working TRS-80 sits behind me as I work in my office.
Thank you for all that you do.
Thank you so much, and I'm glad to hear that this episode brings back good memories!
This brings back lots of nightmare memories. In the early 1980's, we paired the CDC Hawk drives with either a Texas Instruments Ti/99/10 or a Ti/99/10A CPU. Being forced to run one of these drives on an active construction site with lots of drywall dust was a challenge. I got really good using a small microscope to re-polish crashed heads and a CE Pack to realign the heads. At that time, new heads were $750 a pop, so there was a bit of an incentive to refurbish heads whenever possible.
That's so interesting, what was the use for one of these on a construction site?
@evanbarnes9984 A building automation system. We were integrating HVAC, fire and security systems for two 26 floor office towers and a large retail shop area all under one roof.
I was working for Honeywell, a weekend service call, the customer loaded disk pack into a drive, it was crashed, then they moved to two other disk with the same results. I had to replaced all the heads for 2 drives, the third was a third party unit. At that time the r/w head were expendable so I threw them away only to find out that the company wanted them to be returned. opps
When working with Honeywell , we had a system installed in Mexico City, the air pollution was so bad , the main air filter needed to be replaced monthly. We also had a system in an office over the repair shop when they maintain City Buses. filthy
There may be more issues with that burnt-up SCR. It's supposed to be, I think, a crowbar circuit to trip the breaker if the regulator voltage gets too high. It's supposed to only conduct for like a tenth of a second until the circuit-breaker trips. I used a circuit like that around 1968 but with a 1 ohm current-limiting 1/4 watt resistor in series with the SCR. When I tested it, the resistor exploded and sent resistor shrapnel all over, including near my eyes!
But in your example there seems to be a different problem-- the area is so charred up, one might deduce that the breaker did not trip quickly enough or maybe not ever. So I'd probably test or just replace the associated circuit breaker. It's always something!
I wonder the same thing, 2 of them, both blown, what’s the cause.
Yep, I thought the same... An SCR can only be turned off by cutting the current through it.... It's certainly being used to protect against an "oh f##k" scenario....
@@realnutteruk1 Yeah. My guess is a small electrolytic in the 5-volt regulator got leaky due to sitting around for a few years, so on the next power-up the regulator circuit thought the +5 was waay too high so it tripped the SCR crowbar. But tripped it continuously, and the circuit-breaker is stuck and won't trip, so we're talking SCR-deadly current in a second or two. Not a great design.
Long ago I fixed a $4900 Fluke voltage standard with a similarly-jinxed power supply. They may have put a new-hire electrical engineer on that one.
The SCR successfully carried out its secondary function of acting as a fuse to protect the circuit breaker.
+1 for the Crowbar circuit, have not checked full schematics there, but an SCR behind a bunch of LM399 comparators that seemingly shorts out the supply is like 99.999% a protection device. In this case it was seemingly to weak to trip the breaker. BUT the core issue must be found or the PSU may burn up the drie electronics.
A trip back to the good old days of field service, I used to fix those in the early 80's, particularly the Hawks and Tridents, my workmate left his pack of cigarettes inside the cabinet under the Hawk used by ERNIE (the random number generator used by the premium bond system), he wasn't a happy camper that day as we had a tight window to perform a PM - fortunately they were still there when we did the next PM a year later.
I remember seeing my first 10mb hawk drive and thinking, it’s insane how could you ever create 10mb of data without backing up everything 100times. I remember also looking at the ibm 360k floppy disk and wondering what would you be doing moving that much data. How things have changed
It's very weird to take a packet capture and see modern devices generating megabytes of data per second that are just screaming into the void.
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a container ship full of 9 track.
My first PC had a 1.2GB hard drive. Now you can get microSD cards with multiple orders of magnitude more storage than that in something the size of a fingernail. It's kind of bonkers in comparison.
I felt the same way when the first DVD-R came along... and when I saw my first terabyte SD-card. That was brutal.... more data than I kept inside my entire desktop system, on a piece of plastic the size of my fucking thumbnail. 🤯
I would consider a heat sink for that replacement part you soldered in.
Running hot is what killed the original SCR.
@@FlyMIfYouGotM Did CDC change the spec on the item as time went by (or they discontinued completely as computers became smaller form factors)
@highpath4776 The last drives we used actually had sealed HDD's installed on the chassis with a tape drive for backup. I can't remember for sure, but I think they were Sugart drives. Within a year or two, we began using PC's.
I mean, the original part lasted at least 30 years, I'd say it did pretty good!
@@UsagiElectricYes, and it probably even wasn't designed for that lifespan. So why not add a small heatsink, and make it another 60 years? 😊
That BASF label on the lever of the removable platter gave me warm fuzzy feelings of decades long gone, my first own floppy disk I bought for school (we had Apple IIe machines donated by a local bank when they upgraded to something else) to save my work on... Was a 2-pack from BASF. Sweet blast from the past, haha. Had been a computer nerd for a while before we finally got computer science available as a course. I literally knew those machines a lot better than the teacher (back then, there weren't any actual CS teachers around, they were physics or mathematics teachers that took some training to qualify as a CS teacher).
Did I see that the write-protect lamp was still on (28:08) for the drive? Maybe that explains why you could not write anything to the disk?
It is in that shot, but the write failing was confirmed in the memory monitor with the write protect off. It actually illuminates the fault light when trying to write to that specific lower head, which means that the Hawk sees a current problem trying to power either erase coil or the write coil. Thankfully, it still reads just fine, so there is an avenue for usage there.
I like their miniaturization. I bet one could store a lot of song lyrics on it for their Centurion pod. Imagine rollerblading down by the beach, with your mini centurion in tow, with a battery powered terminal, reading off all of the era's best song lyrics. 😅😊
maybe could also store the scores, so you could have been singing them as well :)
you might need to add in a white cargo van, but that's not suspicious in any way. At least not for 70's tech. Maybe throw in a waterbed and a Boom BOX.
@@MikelNaUsaCom what you're describing is a much better world than the one we live in now man!
I know you are joking, but 10MB will only store about 5 minutes of audio, even at moderately low quality (8 bit 32Ksamp/sec). So you would probably need that white van with a dozen or so more drives in it to get enough audio to attract the girls. :-)
@@lwilton"lyrics" means text only 😅
I loved the take before the intro rolled xD "RIGHTTTT?!!!"
Awesome video. It reminds me on the early 80's, when I toured the Burroughs Corporation many, many years ago with my grade school classmates.
Great episode. I was surprised you didn't check the rubber bumper from the first. You might put that on your checklist. All the drives you work on after sitting for 40 years will need new bumpers.
I was having a problem with saturating both of my brain cells while working on this one, haha.
But you're totally right, checking the rubber bump stops should definitely be a step on the bring up check list!
@@UsagiElectric All important checklist items are generated by not thinking about them previously.
This reminds me of the NCR 8250 mini computer, my wife worked on. She did the data enter for a accounting office on a terminal similar to those. She could key very fast an accurately it amazed me. When they switched to micros in mid eighties we got the old computer and drives and discs to play with. My buddy still uses the cabinet in his shop got a mig welder in it, slides out nicely lol.
Hi, David!
Сarbonized textolite conducts electric current. Before installing a new thyristor, it is worth cleaning off the burnt layer between the board tracks. Otherwise, an unpleasant surprise may occur.
is the same for modern PCBs? then again I imagine if theres burnt PCB material on modern stuff its done in most cases since its probably going to be multi-layer PCB for modern electronics and computers.
@@nekomasteryoutube3232 Yes, modern PCBs being burnt causes them to become conductive. Though with modern multi-layer boards, you're usually in for a bad time of grinding down through the board layers and removing all of the conductive material. You can't have layers shorting to other layers, or traces in layers shorting to other traces.
Certain older models of Apple's Macbooks were known to have a fault where inner layers of the board had a short, and it would blow the board apart, either leaving a bulge or blowing off either the top or the bottom of the board.
I definitely did! I just didn't film it is all. I went through with an exacto knife and got rid of the charring. The fiber underneath was horribly discolored, but the charring itself was properly removed.
Manually aligning the heads on a spinning hard drive has got to be one of the more metal things I've seen on tech hobbyist TH-cam.
That was part of the annual maintenance procedures to service these drives.
This is such a great benchmark to learn how hard it was reading and writing 10mb data in that era. Kudos to the creator and the channel for this awesome video 🎉
IPA has an additive that leaves a residue. Most places that I have been, you can buy 100% ethanol at the drug store by asking at the pharmacy counter, and ethanol leaves no residue. We used to use it to clean internal elements on broadcast camera lenses, and after it evaporated, there was no film left on the glass. You might want to consider using it for cleaning platters and heads.
It's actually available on Amazon. It was hard to find during Covid.
IPA sold in the US generally will have no additives. There are variations with respect to the amount of water; "rubbing alcohol" generally will have 70% IPA, with the rest water, while "pure" IPA is sold at 91% or 99%. Either of the latter would be fine for cleaning electronics or disk platters.
In some cases, rubbing alcohol will have other additives, like menthol or other fragrances, but since those will all be 70% concentration anyway, they wouldn't be suitable for cleaning in the first place.
Isopropyl alcohol should not be confused with "denatured alcohol" (as it's sold in the US), which is methyl alcohol that does have various additives, all meant to render the alcohol non-drinkable. One wouldn't want to use that sort of thing for cleaning electronics or disk platters, but it's fine for other kinds of workshop cleaning uses.
Ethanol has a nasty habit of melting plastics. Maybe a good idea for glass optics and/or metal parts but I would be careful around vintage computers.
Ethanol is hygroscopic. It likes to mix with water to such a degree that it will pull water out of the air to dilute itself down to ~95%. That's why Everclear is 190 proof, not 200. You can get it more pure than that, but once it's opened and exposed to air, it's going to regress toward that 95% level.
brake cleaner works fine atleast the brand i use cleans platters very well and no residue
It's crazy to think that just over 10 years later, the IBM Type 1 MFM hard disk would come out in full height 5.25 inch size, weighing about 10 lbs with a capacity of 10 Mb. I had one somewhat recently in a 286.
With those fancy new IBM drives, my TV would only weigh slightly more than the RMS Titanic
In age of a punch cards - 10 MegaBytes? -_-... For REAL???!!! GIMME TWO!!!
But how damn expensive these were...
That entire hard drive it too small to contain a single Amazon webpage.
Ah yes, the modern web and it's insane data sizes!
@@UsagiElectric Not only the web, almost all modern software is huge. Faster computer results in lazier developers, more layers of frameworks and code and thus way more storage usage than necessary.
Big enough to hold three songs.
I remember having a custom comics page with a ton of newspaper comics on it back in the late 90s. I had an ISDN connection, which was fast at the time, but I'd end up letting it load in the background while I did something else, because it'd max out my bandwidth and take a couple of minutes to download them all. Now I could download it in less than a second, if it still existed.
I remember scrapping one and kept the huge powerful magnets !
I was a field-service engineer back in the 1980s and the most nerve-wracking part of that job was powering-on those drives after doing maintenance on them. The heads flew only 0.00025 inches (6.35 μm) above the disk surface on a cushion of air and there was no room for error on my part...errors were EXPENSIVE if the drive crashed. There is a scientific name for the "cushion-of-air" principle which kept the heads reliably flying but I have forgotten it. (It's probably the same principle which keeps hard-drive heads from touching the disk even today. Thankfully nowadays we don't have to dismantle and re-assemble hard-drives.)
An awesome piece of tech. Thanks for sharing this and doing such a great job on troubleshooting this...
I worked at CDC/Magnetic peripherals in those days. I broke into that business on their 40/80MB removable disk drive. That one had 5 heads and we had to manually align 5 heads on each drive. Special servo packs were used to align each head. lots of fun!
Another very interesting episode, David! Enjoyed it a lot!
Am I totally out of my mind when I‘m thinking: “That head doesn’t look mechanically too complicated - can’t they ‘just‘ build a new one from scratch?“ 😳
Thank you!
I mean, that is something we want to do! Though, not quite making one from scratch, more I want to dig in deep into rewinding one that is already blown. But if we could essentially repair bad heads into full working condition, the only that's then keeping us bringing all of these old drives up are platters!
@@UsagiElectric I imagine that at some point someone will be setting up a CVD machine to deposit a fresh coating of magnetic material onto a platter. Should be a lot easier to do today than in the 1970s, that's for sure :)
Same with building a new RW head, considering how primitive those early HDDs were compared to even what we saw in the late 1980s, I'd be shocked if they couldn't be made any more today by a serious hobbyist. Then again I do not have the design specs in front of me, so what do I know :)
@@MayaPosch I mean, we're already looking into how to re-coat a rotating drum, it's not an insane leap to get to spin coating aluminum platters! I have a bunch of crashed ones hanging out, someday we may just dig into them and see if we can get to a point to where there's nothing on these drives we can't restore!
@@UsagiElectricyes, I think repairing blown coils on the head may be the most viable solution. I think an orthodontics or jewellery laser welder might give you a chance to reconnect broken coils.
If that does not work, you may have to drill down into the head material to the coil and use a solder to re-connect the break.
I think winding anew coil around the ferrite might be a but challenging because the you need to build up the whole cover material around the coil. The tolerances for the ferrite positioning are pretty tight.
@@UsagiElectricthat is a sporty challenge. In my experience with these disks they rarely just crashed. Usually by the time the drive was shut down the head had been grinding into the Aluminium. The tolerances are right enough that such ridges could eliminate all the. Work you had put in.
But I think the head supply is the main issue. I think there are still a fair number of disks to be found on the 2bd had matkets, but heads ..., that is not so easy.
I wonder if that blown SCR is part of a crowbar circuit to shut down the 5V supply hard, tripping the breaker, in the event of a 5V overvolt. Perhaps the 5V rail has tried to overvolt intermittently in the past but, for some reason, was unable to trip the breaker and cooked.
Oh further reading of the schematic, in fault conditions SCR Q3 actually applies power to a solenoid in the mains breaker to trip the mains power off. Perhaps there is something wrong with the breaker/wiring taking out the SCR in the event of over voltage on the 5V rail.
Heh. When I saw the title of this video what came to mind was some full height drive of maybe 5 or 10MB capacity and with an ST506 interface. I actually have run across drives like this, one where a guy actually had one with legs on it and brought it in to me wanting to know if there was any way that I could interface it to his c64. :-) Then there was a GRI mini in several racks that had a couple of these type of drives in it, I think in that case the capacity was 10MB + 10MB rather than 5MB for each platter such as you describe here. The power supplies were different, being completely enclosed and connecting to the drive with a thick cable terminating in an oddball multi-pin connector. I used to have a platter hanging on my wall that had a head crash on it, not sure whatever happened to that. It's been a really long time since I had to troubleshoot anything like that! Worst I can remember doing is the external HD box that hooks up to my Osborne Executive computer, it had a linear power supply in it and a brief power glitch wiped out the first track on the drive. After putting a switching power supply in the box I laboriously re-built that track using a sector editor, and recovered all of my files. That drive had a whopping 20MB of capacity. There's also a Kaypro 4 around here with a different external drive box that has a pair of 40M drives in it, plenty of capacity for when you're running CP/M.
Brake bleeder dust covers would be perfect for bumpers
When PCB material is charred like that it turns to carbon and becomes conducive. It can be a low enough resistance to heat the PCB and cause it to glow red if there is sufficient power connected to it or it can short out signals. Best to cut it out and glue some replacement material over the hole. Drill it and use wires to remake the traces or perhaps make a new tiny new PCB.
I think it's getting to be time to have someone dissect a bad head and figure out what it'd take to wind and pot one. Great video, as usual!
That's on the list of things to do! I just gotta get my hands on a proper trinocular microscope so I can bring y'all along on the ride.
@@UsagiElectric Awesomeness!
I love how those old computers look like they where old star trek props!
I wonder if you could just use a modern HEPA filter cloth as replacement air filter.
_Probably_ so.
There's a world of different hepa filters out there. No doubt something would work.
@stephendouglas684 The best HEPA media would be the filter media that's used for Bio Safety lab hoods. That media is a high efficiency filter media designed to trap even viral material.
@@FlyMIfYouGotM thar sounds good. With my less than perfect eyesight, I saw several potential spots of debris on thar platter. I think...
@@stephendouglas684 I saw the same thing. Fortunately, his process of running the drive for an hour without allowing the heads to fly, would most likely purge everything off of the platter. This is exactly what I would do when cleaning them in the field without benefit of a proper clean room. When I did this, I would make my own clean room by setting up a sheet plastic lined room around the drive and CPU. I pressurized the pseudo clean room with HEPA filtered air from a small fan. Everything in the room was vacuumed and wet wiped down before opening up the drive. i really didn't miss it when these drives were replaced with sealed HDD's. The funny thing was, at that time, all the corporate gurus told us you couldn't do this in the field. I figured out all of this out without the benefit of any company training. A year later I was finally sent to the company school. I wound up showing the instructors how to field clean, repair and replace heads in these drives. Fun times.
This reminds me of the good ol nightmare of hearing the "clicks of death" on old HDD's. This is such great content that should remind us how far in such short timeperiod technology has come and will continue. It should also remind us to not loose the knowledge how to fix and operate that technology.
You have impressive perseverance and patience.
I was at Motorola facility in the early '90s trying to help a customer pull data off of a 8" drive. It would move maybe 150 MB then go offline. So we would power it down, wait 10 minutes or so, then repeat. I ask him if he a CO2 fire extinguisher. He did. We got the rest of the data off by shooting CO2 onto the drive electronics every 30 seconds or so.
Fascinating - appreciate the work that goes into these videos and - keeping this equipment in working order.
I knew nothing of the Centurion, but I worked for DEC in the UK in the 80's and spent a lot of time servicing RL01 and RL02 drives on pdp-11s - I think they uses a very similar disk pack. They only had the removable pack, no fixed disc like these. RL01's were 5 MB RL02s a massive 10 MB on one platter!
They were incredibly reliable, and very rarely did they suffer from head crashes, unlike the bigger drives. However, one of my customers almost lost a pack to a head crash - and he did not have a backup - something like 5 years of research work! Somehow we managed to recover most of the data using a set of 'sacrificial' heads before the pack gave out completely.
Man, this reminds me of working on the old Burroughs 5-platter drives back in the day. Big blowers before they knew how to leverage the Bernoulli Effect. We had to open them up in a clean-room. Mind the solder joints, make sure none are cold on that high-current PS or you'll regret it!! Test that PS under load before connecting up a drive or you may be buying new heads and platters. SCRs usually don't die without some other cause.
A few years ago I got a Compaq Portable II still rocking its original Miniscribe 20MB hard drive. I well remember my DOS days juggling floppies in a HDless system so it was nostalgic (and more than a little therapeutic) to go back to being efficient with data. The things you can do with mere megabytes if you drop fancy graphical interfaces and media-rich stuff...
I'm wondering about the filters. If they are HEPA, it should be possible to obtain a new cartridge somewhere. If they are not HEPA filters, then a good fine grade roll media might suffice, something like MERV 13 or better? I'd use such media to improvise a "pre-filter" if opening the filter box and replacing the element is not an option. You might also consider using a 3D printer to make a new filter box with a replaceable element.
Some have already mentioned the SCR heat sink that is needed to keep the device cool. Even a simple aluminum angle bracket could serve, along with some thermal paste. Might not be "period correct", but it might also save you an unexpected failure (which, odds are, would happen at a VCF somewhere...)
This hardware - and you videos - are fascinating to me cuz you go "one giant step" farther back from the gear I'm experienced with. I collect and restore PC hardware from the original 1981 IBM PC up to the Pentium III stuff. I've owned a little bit of older gear, a TRS-80 and a couple Apple II's - but I've never had the chance to play with anything like this! We met at VCF East in '23 and hopefully I'll catch you again if you go in '25. Can't make it to Texas though, so I appreciate the YT videos!!
You are very lucky to access to this computers. Congratulations, great work!.
Yeah, I remember the days when we could realign disk drive heads... at least ones for floppy disks. Way back in the old days we took our Commodore 1541 in for realignment at a shop, but then a while later we learned about this special disk, 1541/1571 Drive Alignment, and how to use it and rotate the stepper motor back into spec accordingly, so I could align the drive myself and save my parents some money. Oh, and it also handled spindle speed. But man, good luck trying to realign modern disk drives; I don't know if it can even be done, even with the most modern of floppy drives (which, themselves, are already a good 20 years old now): Iomega Zip and Clik! Both Zip and Clik drives use VCs instead of steppers, but cool that you can align this even with VCs. And the Click drive is the only floppy I know of with swinging heads just like basically or more modern hard disk drives!
Power Supply - when you see blackened / carbonised pcb under, in this case, the scr, the board will almost certainly have become conductive due to the carbon build up. You can check this with a multimeter set to ohms. Where you have 120v mixed in close proximity with ttl control signals this can blow the logic. Also, the board can and will slowly heat up and eventually make smoke :¬). Please go back and check, I used to do this type of repair work and this is a common issue, repair requires milling out the burned area and filling with a mix of resin and filler material - glass beads work well, or you can cut out a patch using layers of fine glass fiber mat.
When I started out 40 years ago I was a field service engineer servicing Hawk and other drives. Not all happy memories - head crash would mean hours of work - careful cleaning followed by a head alignment. First load always an adrenaline rush....
Good, congratulations on getting this at least this far working; good luck on your continued Hawk head hunt! Huh... yeah... "headhunt"! Of course!
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I used to have one hooked up to an Alpha Micro AM-100 system (in the old TEI / IMSAI style) chassis. I only have a couple of the disk platters left. I used to service them 30 years ago, while I was working at Consultant Field Engineering, in Merriam Kansas. We usually replaced those HEPA filters every 6 months.
I guess you will have to learn how to fix blown coils on these heads. Unfortunately, the coil repair was not covered in the maintenance course I had in 1988. We just installed new heads from CDC.
I guess there might still be some old CDC engineers around, who might know the production process. The size of the actual magnetic heads on these heads was not yet ludricrously small like on later disk drives. So it may be possible the fabricate them.
I am not sure if the heads are actually covered in glass or if the top material was epoxy.
In any case the coils are only a few windings around that special Japanese ferrite material used in magnetic tapenheads.
Maybe it would be possible to repair some of the coils under a microscope with a master welder. There might be some jewellery companies in your region, who have laser welding equipment and could try to weld the broken coils on these heads.
Alternatively, you would have to strip down the heads and apply new windings then encapsulate the heads again in the cover material and create the right geometry for the spoiler hole on the head to allow it to float on the air vortex over the platter.
I don't think you will get lucky enough to find any new old stock of these heads, as they were extremely fragile and prone to failure. I would think that any still available stock was used up by the mid to late 1990s, as long as the drives were still somewhat in use. I guess that the unavailability of these spare parts led to the last minicomputer to be decommissioned.
So, ultimately only fixing up broken heads can fix this supply problem.
These heads will fail, sooner or later. We exchanged at least 2 heads per customer per year at the time. The heads were as much consumables as the disk packs. So you need a back up solution!
That is why I think your best course of action is to build a μSD card adapter that you can be used instead of the fixed platter, maybe even tie into the read/write path of the CDC drives. Then you still have experience of the drive spinning up, but not the problems associated with the lower platter.
I can see that the visceral attraction of experiencing the spin up of a CDC drive. It is a unique experience, but without a source for these heads it will be a time limited experience.
Good luck!
I wonder about the extent to which these corporations retained such manufacturing data and procedures. Or whether all that stuff just got tossed along the chain of buyouts, mergers, etc. Or if some other supplier made the heads that still has records.
@@KameraShy I think it was probably tossed. The CDC Disk drive manufacturing fiction seems to have been closed already in the 1980s and the company was sold in bits and pieces several times over. I also know that the German IBM disk company was dissolved an the subcontractor making the heads here has moved on from that. All the IBM managers/technologists in that division have been retired for over 20 years.
Nevertheless the production process is still used by tape head manufacturers in Japan and China. The current HDD manufacturers like WD and Seagate are also constructing magnetic heads with a similar technology, but much smaller structures.
The heads got reduced in size to allow for denser writing and reading, there was also a change of the way heads work with the introduction of the Giant Magnetic Resonance technology that upped capacity by a factor of 1000 in the late 1990s.
So, I would think that some Japanese and Chinese companies still make tape heads that have a similar structure to those old HDD heads, although the magnetic tape heads of that time were already bigger than the disk heads, but I understand that the spoiler holes in the heads are still used in modern heads as well and that is the black magic that keeps the heads from crashing on the platters.
Maybe a gofundme campaign could get a few batches manufactured, as technical drawing could be made from existing heads and the electronics in them is no magic. I remember only thst the head contained an inverter chip that allowed the noise reduction ofbthe signal in the amplifier by another inversion and signal subtraction. Naturally all of that analogue.
It's almost like you're off by one track on the fixed disk on one of the heads.
Awesome restoration! I wonder what really burned that SCR. It's well worth looking into the root cause.
The mechanical engineering is beautiful here... the rubber is not. Nice fix on those bumps.
The special alignment tool will always remind me of the Monotype casters I worked on, and the enormous number of special single-purpose tools necessary for adjusting and maintaining them.
Interestingly, of the five Hawks I've worked on so far, three of them have popped that very same SCR. That seems to a common failing point among them. I think it's less of an electrical fault and more of a heat thing. That SCR runs hot and after 30 years of heat soaking, it seems to let loose in a wonderfully violent way!
@@UsagiElectric That is true!!
@@UsagiElectric Still - next time you see a dead regulator please double-check whatever it was powering is fine. I.e. there may be marginally bad capacitors which exacerbate the problem.
If those regulators tend to go bad replacing one with a smaller package is not the best idea. I would add an off-the-shelf heatsink if one could fit there.
Charred board segments are also not just an aesthetic eyesore - they can in fact conduct electricity! And it's a nighmare to fix that. In your case the leads are probably far enough for it to matter that much but please be aware of it.
On an unrelated note, could you please update us on the state of emulation, software development, HW/SW reverse engineering, etc the community has done to this point? Thanks!
@@jwhite5008 yes, I was thinking of suggesting cutting the charred part off and soldering cables to an out-of-board SCR placed on a heatsink. This would have to be done after careful analysis of the circuit as for voltages, interference, thermal considerations etc.
@@jwhite5008Glad to see someone else mentioning that the charred PCB material can become conductive. It's always a good idea to remove as much of it as possible. Learned this myself the hard way, although on a much less important piece of equipment - a car audio amplifier.
So fun to watch this. You are inspiring! Did that SCR need heat sink compound?
Spent lots of time in the 70's aligning drives like these. The Ampex ones had a special tool used with a 'Cats Eyes' disk. If you got it wrong, it would auto-retract and try and take a couple of fingers with it. Happy days :)
Good, smart idea to support your disk drive there with the chair while in service.
Compelling project! Note, when FR4 PCBs get that hot, the burned, areas can become fairly conductive due to the carbonization. I'd suggest scraping away the carbonized regions until the underlying material is no longer conductive, to be safe.
Glad i re watched it... the Bump stop material is SURGICAL TUBING, Sliced with a razor to height, Glue with contact cement.
"The removable pack sector transducer is still attached"
yeah man for sure!! no idea what that means but absolutely you're right
My brother and I, got our old 'Colleges', supposedly 20MB. It was almost as large as a decent 1/2 height refrigerator in all dimensions. The 'Drums', were many times larger, than a modern mechanical drive platter. We also had the main terminal. It basically was a stack of single, removable circuits, some with a single I.C. on them, about the size of a small notebook folded. It still went. After spending time watching, the 'Nvidia', 'Annual Conference', last week it just blows my mind, how far we have really come, in this very short-time. Think how many more times powerful our 'Smart Phones' are and the capabilities they now have. It looks like within the next year we may be seeing 1.2 Trillion, Trillion calculations per second on our laptops. Just think, even 5 years ago, this was the realms of the 'Super Computer. 1.2 Petaflops per second down 12 core fibre and your average data centre, server downloading 120 TB/S. Can't wait for 'Quantam Networking'. :) There was a huge gap, before I then saw my first 5 & 1/4 'Winchester' drive. These drives I think only achieved a few thousand RPM. By the end of the decade the 'WD Raptor' had caught up with 'SCSI 3' and was achieving 10'000 rpm for the platters. Originally things were stored in a vacuum, then there was know need, but once they started getting above the 4TB mark and even 'Perpendicular stacking', was not giving enough storage. They introduced 'Helium'. I think consumers can now purchase up to a 14TB or more drive, for less than a Thousand dollars. Then all of a sudden, 3 and 1/2, 4.2GB IDE DMA 66. $642.00 dollars in 1996. The Winchester would have cost over $10,000 in N.Z. if available (Definitely not for consumers, although you could import one from the US for your 'Commodore 64'. Now I write to 1TB, SSD drives, costing $116.00 dollars each. Back in 1996/7. It was announced the US Military had purchased a 2TB 'SSD' array for $2 Million dollars US. Microsoft had just achieved 1TB, storage on their servers. Now for $40-$50-00 you can stand up a 100TB array. I hope 'Data Glass', eventually makes it into the consumer space and I was reading lately of a new 'Optical', medium storing up to 1TB. I imagine, we are going to find it will be a hack on 'Data Glass'. Just think less than a 100 years ago, most had less 'stored knowledge in print, than a single row on a bookshelf? It is believed one human brain, stores about 60-75 Petabytes of information, in it's lifetime. Imagine, how many 'Petabytes', disappears everyday from our seniors passing. I hope, soon we managed to capture this as well. :)
I looked up to the wall behind my monitor to see a platter off a IBM 3340 (yes, the Winchester) hanging there. I salvaged it some 30 years ago.
Well done. You have so much knowledge of these now, I’m sorry it didn’t quite get you all the way
8:24 can the “parts hawk drive” donate one of its heads?
Thank you so much!
The parts Hawk drive has already donated all of its usable heads. Of all the Hawks I've worked on, I've come across four bad heads, three of which are lower heads. Granted the sample size is small, but it definitely seems that the lower head tend to die a higher rate than upper heads.
@@UsagiElectric Are bottom heads different from top ones?
i.e. can bottom ones be replaced with top ones or are they of different shapes?
Sorry for stupid question.
I wonder if the heads aren't well insulated and dust from the platters is getting into the heads and shorting them.
Or it may be that drives with crashed fixed platters were more likely to be set aside and not decommissioned with a system that was running properly
@@ppokorny99 Yup, that seem likely. Survivorship bias.
Well back in my Hayday when my repairshop was running full steam I was rwepairing a lot VTRs and VCRs . I bought chamois in bulk . Anyway that SCR got cooked I can't believe none the traces got damaged .
You should put a small makeshift radiator on the SCR. It seems to be always in pain.
Flawless work !
Love your videos, I date to the dawn of the PCs, worked on a number of TRS 80s. I was looking forward to seeing you in Baltimore but as fait would have it someone close to my wife and I had a major life event the Saturday the 18th. Oddly I was customer of Bob's in the Computerland era, so wold be good to catch up with him as well. In any case great video as always.
I've actually aligned floppy heads just by feel - in DOS, keep reading the directory until you get from General Failure to Sector not found, then when you can get a directory, read/write a large file (execute it) and to be sure, format a floppy in it and see if it'll boot on another machine. I don't know how to do it properly TBH but it looks like the way is very similar in this Hawk Drive.
The proper way of aligning the heads on a floppy drive requires an oscilloscope and a practically unobtainable alignment disk.
@@rocketman221projects With a scope? Interesting.
@@the_kombinator CuriousMarc has a video showing how it's done. The alignment disk has an analog waveform that you view on the scope to see when the heads are aligned. The disks can't be copied and there were not very many made. If you don't have an alignment disk, you can use a known good disk and just look for the strongest signal to get close enough.
Wouldn't you get a better alignment by checking the head signal with a scope?
I have a platter like that, along with a spindle and a hub. Just too cool to toss out.
Decades ago, a friend of mine had put together an Alpha Micro 100, using an IMSAI front panel and that very same type of Hawk drive, 5MB fixed/5MB removable, with three terminals. When he packed up his life to return to NY state and assist his parents in the final years of their life, I (age ~21 at the time) helped him move it, so I know about the weight. He's since passed away himself, I imagine the machine was sold cheaply by the estate sale auction, if not simply scrapped.
11:38 those notches are not strange but are marking pin 1 of IC or diodes if you look around
Mr. Hall. The man. The Legend!
I worked in Mil. Ind. (BAE) on one of the projects used these monster discs and boy were they delicate!
A hair would upset them.
Those trace stubs on a PCB indicate the pin 1 for chips, and orientation for diodes (anode or cathode - whatever their marking convention is).
Amazing job!
Hawhawww, "watch this like a HAWK," awwhahhh! Yeah, nice pun!
I am sure I sent you a link for NEW OLD STOCK CDC HEADS (though I didnt realised Top and Bottom heads were different)
I repaired Hawk drives for Wang Labs in the early 1980s
I absolutely love these bulky machines. Designed to one only thing, but to do it very well.
Ouch! Best of luck!
I wonder how possible new fabriaction of a head is...
I had two questions
1. have you tried moving the lower head from the removable disk to the fixed disk to get the write completed?
2. did you try realigning the head to get the data off the original bad sector? Theoretically, if you can get a complete image you can write it all back no matter what the head alignment is.... providing the heads can write/erase data
31:25 "Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting wabbits"
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10 MB on 2 big platters. My HS in 1981 had a Corvus HD hooked up to half a dozen Apple ]['s. It was partitioned into 60+ 143k Apple floppy disk images, allocated to students rather than giving them easily-damaged floppies.
@ 12:10 - I would suggest a heat sink as a mod: I think I'd have mounted it vertically with a clip on HS.
Gotta love tech history!
Beautiful. It looks similar to DEC RL02.
16:52 it’s WHISPER,QUIET1!
Great fix. Shame about the head.
Just a thought, could you replace the fixed platter with a known working one that you could just read off ? (Or does it have to write to it too ?)
IIRC it has to be aligned correctly which is not very easy to do.
He already read what he could from it - and it was just a backup copy of a removable platter they already had copied in full.
The damaged head is good for reading but not for writing.
@@jwhite5008 But that platter has been corrupted, so it wont boot. I was wondering if it was possible to put a bootable one in it's place. (?)
@@frankowalker4662 I think the platter is OK, but the lower head looks like it reads first, and its not reading
Just saw the familiar 4 letters:
BASF
Grew up 10ml away from the plant they made them here in Germany. Still remember the impact on the region, when the German chemic giant stopped magnetic storage media in the 80s.
BTW, LM339 is a quad comparator. Not exactly an opamp.
BASF used to make pretty good VHS tapes.
Btw. isn''t a comperator just a circuit variant of an opamp. ;-)
Please tell us more about what or how the Centurion was used in the business setting. Was it a point of service (POS) data entry machine and did it do batch processing of the data it captured or did it synchronously send it's captured data to a bigger computer (mainframe) to be processed?
Yeah heads are going to be very difficult unless it's something like a Diablo Series 30 or an IBM 2315 where the heads are still relatively common.
LM339 is a quad comparator. The outputs are connected in a wired or configuration.
is there a south east? like Atl GA? as I have used and worked mostly TI-990 and PC. right now I use SCO/UNIX for all my programming needs.
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My first Gaming experience was on a similar system to this. Home computers were lets say just non existent at the time. Unless you were some sort of Tech Guru and a multimillion air.
This was a company system and had around a 20 Meg drive that look to be around 3 foot x 3 and half foot by around almost 4 foot tall and rolled on some big heavy duty casters that you could lock down we had 4 of those and the Platters were in a vacuum. and was hooked up with some cables and As even a speck of dust would cause a crash and ruin the heads from what he said. My friend was the IT manager and had me come to play this artillery game during a stress test, don't remember the name of it But you had to shoot over a hill at another artillery unit and there was wind vectors so you had to align your shots just right to hit and destroy the artillery unit over the hill before it destroyed your artillery cannon. We did this to stress test the system through a test of the backup system after some work had been done to the system.
I remember the computer room for these system was kept at 62 degrees Fahrenheit 24 hours a day. And you had to have a pass card just to get in to it the server room, though it wasn't called a server room back then. It was computer storage and systems rooms.Had dot matrix printers and huge box's of printer paper. Heck you had to be trained on just how to add new print paper
He also had one of the first Apple computers that was slated to be sold to home users. He did sales for them a new job he had on the side.
The home user systems were slated at around $15,000 to $ 25,000 dollars. And if I had been able to I would have bought one myself, but being a family man that wasn't possible at the time.
The cost was what you could buy a 3 bedroom home for and a car was only around $ 3,500 hundred or so at that time. Which could take many years just to pay off.
A few years down the road and he gave me one of the very first home Laptops of the area. Think large suitcase and around 50 lbs. had a 4 inch screen this was 4x4 inches not measured like we do today and a vacuum monitor built in the front of the system you folded down the front and had 2 huge floppy drives, the top one was for the operating system. The other was for your data.
People probably don't remember or know nowadays, but there wasn't even a mouse back then or touch anything just a small built in keyboard with huge keys and these had real switches. Everything was also Backlite to not this plastic we have today.
Don't I remember what operating system. But it worked and software was SO expensive as well as Parts for it. Don't even remember what happened to it. But it was out moded when he gave it to me.
He said that systems as soon as they were made and went out the door were often already out of mode and considered old tech as so many breakthroughs and new systems would come out some times with then days of what a person might have just bought and taken home.
For and young country backwoods boy this was Scifi taking on life. I was in my early 20's back then. Yep was a great time to be alive and living the American dream.
what would it take to *MAKE* a new coil for the drive head? We have access to modern PCB tools and PCB printing services with very small trace sizes. Alternatively, 3d-prints+CNC-lathes+CNC-mills and 32-gauge magnet wire. I feel like we should be able to manufacture a replacement part.
I heard a story from a long time ago where an old magnetic drum drive was being disassembled. Somehow the drum got loose and it ended up rolling down a staircase and smashed through a wall. This kind of hardware is absolutely Flintstones compared to stuff they had even in the 1980s.
One bad coil don't spoil the whole bunch girl haha you are just as much nerd as me love the content
You know, if you got one of those AC filters, I'm fairly confident you could find one of that size, or close enough you could shave the excess off without compromising it, that should work as an effective replacement.