The 1570 was a single-sided drive made from a combination of a mechanism suitable for a 1541 (singe-sided) with a (possibly slightly modified) 1571 control board. There was a shortage of double-sided drive mechanisms, so the 1570 was developed as a stop-gap until enough mechanisms were available to provide enough 1571s. It had the speed of the 1571 when used with the C128, but only half the capacity.
The slow rise times on A12..A15 are caused by the RP4 resistor pack. These address lines are not connected to the VIC-II, only to the CPU. To prevent that they float when the VIC-II uses the bus, RP4 pulls them up. But because of parasitic capacity on the bus, these resistors need some time to get the bus lines to 5V.
I guess having a probe on the AEC pin of the CPU might help to know when those lines aren't driven by the CPU. Perhaps even trigger from that in order to always see CPU-driven address lines.
This video was 33 minutes, it felt like 10. Even though I am only 13 I find old computer repairs very entertaining and interessting, keep up the good work!
Thinking about them dead chips, once you've got enough of them, you could turn them into a resin table-top, set their legs into a lower green resin layer (mimicking a PCB's solder mask) and then cover in clear resin to make the top, would look pretty cool I think... :D
Those units were built in Braunschweig, Germany. The screws are DIN7981 and actually direct tap-in screws for sheet metal. But they work just fine for plastic as well. Commodore just misused them like so many did/still do.
i'm german and recently bought a C64 from ebay, it also came with a dust cover... it was basically the same style/plastic so i assume these were very common.
@@proxy1035 They were, I'm German as well and I've seen them. I'm just amazed the seller still had it, because many, many people lost them, threw them away, etc.
Was the dust cover an extra accessory or was it part of the package when the computers was bought new? I do have an Amiga 500 with the same style dust cover.
4:14 Haha, we germans use many english words - especially in IT things. So of course we pronounce "sound" like everybody does. Same like americans say Zeitgeist.
@@absalomdraconis You are probably spot on. The amount of mix-ups of "their" "they're" and "there" is staggering. Also "have" is very often replaced by " of" (like for example in "he would of done this") which is completely puzzling to me. And I'm not a language expert or anything -- and should shut up now! (and by the way: I'm German, too ;-))
I would suggest running a 240V line (Hot-hot double breaker) to your workbench so you can run Intl voltages natively at least for testing. Only rarely, you will run into something that HAS to have 50 Hz or damage, but again that is rare. I love being able to run something that needs (intl) or really wants (power supply efficiency) ~240 volts natively. But do remember to fully unplug if you need to test it! I learned the hard way! (Cause the "neutral" side is also at 120 to ground) EDIT: I know from experience on all accounts, I run 80% of my workbench on 240V for a number of reasons, using appropriate NEMA and IEC connectors (6-20 and C13/C14)
I second getting 240v, but a small step-up transformer is probably sufficient for Adrian's purposes if he doesn't want to run new electrical. I would also suggest, for temporary testing ONLY, using special power cords to tap two 120v circuits on different legs, but this is MUCH more dangerous and doesn't work on GFCI-protected circuits like Adrian has in his basement. Running 50Hz devices on 60Hz is unlikely to cause damage; the other way around is more likely to cause overheating. Lower frequency means more magnetization current which will cause a massive current increase if it pushes the transformer (or motor) into saturation.
I am absolutely astounded that this survived packed like it was! I assume this wasn’t shipped with standard postal service but with some dedicated parcel service.
The rule of thumb for pronouncing “ie” or “ei” in German is to pronounce the second letter as long. So Wiesbaden is Veese-bod-en. Nein is like “nine”, Drei is like “dry”.
That is really wrong it is true that we switch the i and the e around but it is 100% not veeseboden it is how it is spelt Wiesbaden phonetically wieesbaden
@@tickertape1 I think most English speakers would want to say the "a" in the second syllable as long. That's why I used "bod" phonetically. I suppose I could have used "bahd". The phonetic pronunciation I gave matches th-cam.com/video/9XZN0R0osbw/w-d-xo.html. It is pronounced wrong there?
4:47 Here in Turkey, that "Made in W. Germany" label does mean quality. It didn't matter what kind of product it is, those with that label are perceived to have quite long lifespan. For example, I have a Fashy hot-water bottle from that time. It's being used every winter frequently but it still works perfectly as if it's brand new. It never fails to amaze me after reading its "Made in W. Germany" label for a thousandth time.
Basically those "Made in Germany" labels were introduced right after WW2 . They were meant to warn or to drive people away from buying an item because it wasnt made in the U.S. and therefore it was seen as low spec. Ironically it became a sign of quality instead of a warning not long after its introduction :)
@@proCaylak The W. Germany Label was really introduced after WWII, but there exist an older made in germany label, that was introduced before WWI from Britain, to prevent people from buying german products. But they were at that time as good if not even better than english ones. But products, that were made in GDR weren't bad at all, they were only cheaper in production in cause of the not worthy currency of eastern germany during the cold war (often 1DM for 7 EGDM). They sell them for DM and $ on the western market. In the time of reunion was a decision made to change it for 1:2.
I spent 18 months in Germany at a small AB called Sembach. Wiesbaden was in the area and the W is pronounced as a V. Later in life I worked for a company that was a VAR for IBM PCs. I was sent to IBM PC school for the 1st IMB PCs in Boca Raton FL in the mid '80s. Learned the PC and printer repair. Got a real neat diploma with a picture of all the class.
23:32 Lines ARE pulsing, oscilloscope would not trigger (which it does) otherwise. Your trigger point is off the screen to the left, so you don't see a pulse. Push little knob in Horizontal section to center it.
The RF extension cable is (or at least was before SCART & HDMI took over) used between things like video recorders to the TV set, often daisy-chaining through other things (e.g. a satellite or cable TV box, DVD recorder, etc.) to connect all the analogue goodness together, but also of course useful as an extension too... :)
Quite a while ago now, the EU banned lots of "artifical" colors and flavourings, which affected quite a lot of sweets. I remember the "blue smartie" dissapeared for a while because they couldn't find an approved coloring to replace it. I imagine the US gummie bears probably do use all sorts of colours and flavours that aren't allowed in the EU, which probably explains why the colors are more vibrant on the US ones.
1570, far as I know, was the stopgap drive Commodore released when the C128 was new. It has the improved speed mode of the 1571 but it's only single sided and it was quickly replaced by the 1571.
Exactly. That’s why now it’s so rare. Had one as a kid for my 64. front panel was painted instead of molded with beige plastic, that’s why the color comes off.
Greetings from the very city you mispronounced! :D That was a surprise to see, someone from right around here sending you a package. By the way, my C64 also used to have an "RF cardboard" that just clipped into the cartridge slot like on this one, with the difference that mine has a shortboard and the cardboard was, if I remember correctly, smaller and had ventilation holes like you mentioned.
Who remembers running you hand across the ||| holes to reacht e on/off switch and making a sound? 5:47-5:49 (somewhere in there u hear the sound) of this video reminded me of that... love these videos!
Awesome videos Adrian, I'm addicted! I love the deductive logic that you employ to troubleshoot issues, I use many of the same processes to repair contemporary tech (self taught), I pick up useful info and techniques all the time and rework elements of them to fix current gen tech. Your genuine love for the tech shows through along with your heaps of patience when things don't go your way and genuine joy when you fix something, all of this added up plus your very humble approach to your own undeniable skills; Great tech, great logic, great videos, great guy!
Commodore GmbH... I had to look up that acronym GmbH, apparently it means "company with limited liability", but I can't stop thinking of goombas from Mario Bros.
I love how it's possible to identify a company's country of origin just based on which version of "Inc."/"LLC" they use, if you know which ones are which.
Nice seeing you actually repair a german C64. I loved how you try to pronounce the German and one has to admit: All the guesses you made were right or nearly right. Thank you for another 30 Minutes of entertainment, it's a pleasure to be able to learn along with your judgements and misjudgements. Greetings from Germany, Sven.
I once read that Commodore originally planned to discontinue the C64 in late 1989/early 1990. Then the Berlin wall fell, and all the people from Eastern Germany who always wanted one, but never were able to get one, rushed to buy one in the Christmas rush. That actually created enough volume to continue production for another 3 years.
Interesting factoid! Really not surprising and honestly if I were in their shoes, I would have been dying for a C64 as well. It must have gotten much cheaper by then too.
@@adriansdigitalbasement They were around 250-300 DM at this time according to the Internet (150-200 USD). The first ones were 1495DM, which quickly dropped to 698DM though. But yeah, quite a bit cheaper.
@@adriansdigitalbasement Not at all, cudos for trying and actually doing quite well. As a native german speaker i am very thankful that i do not have to learn it :-) English is so much easier.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Plug that bad PLA back in and check all the scope screenshots! and compare them to the good PLA scopes! nice repair again!
The colors are different because many European countries have outlawed synthetic azo dyes like Red 40, Yellow 5, and Blue 1. I am severely allergic to those dyes and cannot eat most candies and mass produced sweets here in the States (not to mention most pickles, salad dressings, colored drinks, processed meats, etc). But when I go to Europe, I can eat whatever I want. Without getting on a soapbox, the corporate food structure in this country needs a massive overhaul. When you pay attention to the ingredients in US foods, you'll find those synthetic dyes in pretty much everything. And they have been linked to serious health concerns. The good news is that I lost a lot of weight when I finally figured out my issue. :) BTW, the ingredients in the German Haribo gummy bears are: Glucose syrup; sugar; gelatin; dextrose; fruit juice from concentrate: apple, strawberry, raspberry, orange, lemon, pineapple; citric acid; fruit and plant concentrates: nettle, apple, spinach, kiwi, orange, elderberry, lemon, mango, passionfruit, blackcurrant, aronia, grape; flavorings; glazing agents: white and yellow beeswax; carnauba wax; elderberry extract; fruit extract from carob; invert sugar syrup. The ingredients in the American version are: Corn syrup, sugar, gelatin, dextrose, citric acid, starch, artificial and natural flavors, fractionated coconut oil, carnauba wax, beeswax coating, artificial colors: yellow 5, red 40, blue 1. My guess is that the German ones not only look different, but probably taste better and digest more easily. Love your channel!
The German Gummy Bears are without artificial coloring and without artificial flavors. (I was quite shocked that the U.S. version uses so much additional "stuff" in it.)
In Germany, they could use artificial coloring (by law), but they don't use it because of health concerns by the German public. There is also a "juicy" version that uses 25% natural juices. The "normal" Gummibärchen also use fruits for coloring and flavoring.
The Haribos probably are a different colour, a lot of food manufacturers removed artificial colours from their European product lines in the mid 2000s.
One thing you might want to add to your tool belt is an inrush current map. Basically use a resistor/shunt on the power input with the source side as your ground, then the other side to your oscilloscope with the time scale set large. You should see a pattern of current for a health system, but you might be spot common faults this way as well. Such as bad regulators or ground faults. Run through your dead parts bin and take pics of the different fault types.
Indeed. And to add to it, Wiesbaden, the state capital of Hessen, is indeed rather close to Frankfurt/Main. I believe you can even reach Wiesbaden out of Frankfurt using the local S-Bahn.
I’ve got a 1570 drive with my C64C (for which it’s a great cosmetic match). I bought it before I really knew much about C64s (I was a ZX Spectrum kid) so didn’t realise I’d bought something particularly interesting 😄
The high rise time you're seeing is typical of open collector outputs which are not being driven high by anything else other than a pullup resistor. A12-A15 have 3K3 pullups so this could explain it. The CPU's address bus can be tristated via the AEC signal
That Competition is not a clone, it's the "clear" version. Those things are among the best joysticks on the planet. Pretty much indestructable, and if a switch goes bad, even I am able to fix that. And that's saying a lot. I have one of those. Used it in my Atari 2600, in my Commodore 64, then in my Amiga, then when I started collecting, in a 2600 again. All those years, still kicking.
Whenever I buy things from Ebay Germany, I always get Haribo. I bought a shoulder bag, it came with Haribo. I bought an Amiga accelerator, it came with Haribo. I bought a camera lens, it came with Haribo. I wonder if it is some sort of tradition.
I have Scandinavian version of the Commodore Amiga 500, and from the date codes, seems to be made in the last weeks of 1990. The serial number sticker still says Made in W. Germany, even Germany was re-unified in 3rd of October 1990 (according to wikipedia).
You can get 240 volts from any two adjacent breakers on your panel. Electric stoves, electric dryers, and large air conditioners run on 240 volts in North America.
The weird lines in the plastic are also present on my french breadbin C64. I'm pretty sure they're welding fixes manually made to the molds as they become worn down. My late production SNES (last motherboard revision, high S/N) has the same kind of lines and blobs on the inside, and the inside casing texture isn't as clean as it is on my earlier consoles.
I would imagine that the european gummybears have a difference in colour based on the additives being used. If Haribo manufactures in the US for your market then they are probably following US laws governing what types of additives are allowed. (If memory serves, the EU has a lot stricter rules about additives in foodproducts than the US has)
That clear plastic joystick, aside from being suitable for use in prisons, looks like a high quality WICO joystick and uses microswitches. Those sticks are very durable and good quality.
The 1570 is a rebaged 1571; it has the electronics but only one side, but supports the burst mode or high speed on a c128. It was so common in Spain, may be even more common than 1571.
I have my C64's audio plugged into my computer's line input. That way I can listen to both with one set of speakers. The C64 is TWICE as loud as youtube (or at least your video) I couldn't hear you at all until I paused it. lol
The joystick looks like a Zipstik clone. A real Zipstik has square buttons, but it seems to use the same case and microswitches, it even has "Zipstik" written where you found joystick written on there. Very reliable sticks, broken switches can be easily changed without any soldering.
Hey Adrian! 😊 Greetings from another German Here that likes Your Channel really a Lot! Hope This Makes Sense, Just Had a funny Evening with some Friends and -may be- some Beer! 😅
Your videos are great!! I was betting on a bad ram chip. Great troubleshooting!! See ADB come up, pause everything to watch!! Thanks for a great video!!
Maybe the Audio noise is the Typical noise easily fixed by grounding the Audio in which can be done on the underside of the board rather quickly. Nice Video btw! -Mark.
@@adriansdigitalbasement Wow, that's odd as I have Modded 5 C64's and while they may vary in how they sound after it certainly worked for me on all 5 C64's. I have a few more unmodded and I will try those as well to see if I can find one where no difference is noticed. -Mark.
Those "ripples" in the plastic is from when it was moulded. It is quite common to make these in the mould to make the part stick to the correct half of the mould.
Hi Adrian! Keep up the good work! I´m addicted to your channel. I´m triying to build the Memory expansion for the Tandy... its complicated to get the parts here.
I had similar "saw toothed" signals on my SX 64 project. Besides the PLA, it also had a semi-broken CPU: some operations failed. The "Count" in the dead test did go non-numeric after about 5 or so iterations, pointing to a broken BCD add or inc operation, but I'm no expert for this instruction set...
0:15 almost. the ie is pronounced pretty much like the e in "we"^^ That reaction on the opening was sweet. 3:17 yes. 3:30 "Work(ing) memory" more or less. 3:50 - 4:13 yes. 4:39 Did the German QWERTZ layout not exist at that time? 19:00 Did we all just get RickRolled? ;) Your knowledge is fascinating every time. 19:45 omg that scene is so weird. It looks like we traveled back in time by 30+ years and then, all of sudden, an iPad enters the screen :D 20:36 What's that tool? Never seen anything like it
@@adriansdigitalbasement unfortunatley not =) Mine came along with a 1571 (?) floppy-drive (the flat one) - remembering the "diskette-pincer", awesome stuff. Oh and the city would be pronounced as "Weesbaden" (in english) - there is this odd thing going on with e = i and i = e. Keep up your great vids! cheers
A few language lessons: The German "ie" is close to the English "ee", so you should pronounce it like "Weesbaden", same with "Bier" just spell it "Beer" like you're used to. Tastatur = keyboard, Taste = key, but also "Schlüssel" = "key" but it's the key to lock or unlock something and because their are nouns, nouns always begin with a capital letter in German language. And if you didn't know already: The VIC-20 was renamed to VC-20, because the German pronunciation of VIC was too close to the F-Word (we use it with "i" instead of "u"). You may now change your Name to Adrian Schwarz, may the Schwartz be with you! ;) 7:05 The Office was in Frankfurt, but they were assembled in Brunswick, one reason was because the nearby Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt (=Federal Institute of Physics and Technology) which is our NIST, was a good business customer, a few years ago they've opened a museum in the former plant: translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=blog.hnf.de/commodore-aus-braunschweig/&prev=search&pto=aue You should visit it if you get to travel to Germany, Brunswick is between Hanover and Magdeburg and further in the East is Berlin, maybe a round trip, Berlin, Brunswick, Hanover, Hamburg and back to Berlin or first Hamburg, Berlin, Brunswick, Hanover and further West into Rhine-Ruhr area with Cologne, then Rhine-Main with Frankfurt. The Screws seem to be wood screws, a major difference in many ways is the metric system, the screws aren't so much different but bolts are with metric threads and the pitch of these is measured in how far the screw/nut protrudes axial per full rotation whilst inch-based use threads per inch, so how many rotations it does to protrude one inch axial.
Interesting as the many machines in the UK I repaired had screws and shield like the one form Germany even though some commodores machines was made in UK
There is a difference. My little brother has a red dye allergy so we have to pay attention to that stuff and haribo/candy in general manufactured for Europe aren't allowed to use certain dyes
There are guys who pay you 15 bucks for the c128 box alone... The joystick is an absolutely original competition pro with a broken firebutton.the 1570 is pretty rare. It has only one head like the 1541 thus you have to flip your disc to read from the other side. If you connect it to the 128 however, it will work as fast as the 1571 in c128 mode. Of course, it behaves complety like the 1541 if you connect it to the c64.
I think that you're fantastic and what you do is very entertaining. But there are some things that you shouldn't do on the C-64 motherboard or on any PCB. 1. Don't bend the capacitors to an upright position, don't touch them!!. You can destroy the soldering and eventually will have a periodic error during it's lifetime because of a faulty soldering. 2. It looks like you should replace some of the capacitors, because you have a positive ramp signal on the address line. This will eventually destroy or influence the performance of some of the other ICs. 3. Keep up the good work. You're always welcome to contact me if you need further clarification on these issues. ;-)
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The 1570 was a single-sided drive made from a combination of a mechanism suitable for a 1541 (singe-sided) with a (possibly slightly modified) 1571 control board. There was a shortage of double-sided drive mechanisms, so the 1570 was developed as a stop-gap until enough mechanisms were available to provide enough 1571s. It had the speed of the 1571 when used with the C128, but only half the capacity.
The slow rise times on A12..A15 are caused by the RP4 resistor pack. These address lines are not connected to the VIC-II, only to the CPU. To prevent that they float when the VIC-II uses the bus, RP4 pulls them up. But because of parasitic capacity on the bus, these resistors need some time to get the bus lines to 5V.
That one time fail in the dead test cart would drive me mad. I wonder if just changing the PLA cleaned up some oxidation or something?
I guess having a probe on the AEC pin of the CPU might help to know when those lines aren't driven by the CPU. Perhaps even trigger from that in order to always see CPU-driven address lines.
Opens gummy bear bag with a box cutter. No wonder why he has a bandaid on one of his fingers 80% of the time :)
Can't let the gummy's get stale
Has a _plaster_ on his finger.
Cut toward your chum, not your thumb!
@@simontay4851 depends. I grew up in Australia, and it was always a bandaid.
Tom Storey we do have plasters but they are much different animal....usually has medicine on the pad.....A plain old bandaid just covers the wound.
14:33 Yep, that was my 1571 drive that had a short on the 5V rail due to a bypass cap being squished down.
This video was 33 minutes, it felt like 10. Even though I am only 13 I find old computer repairs very entertaining and interessting, keep up the good work!
Do your parents know what you use the internet for...?
same here buddy
When you have a lot of stuff planned and you see a ADB video - "there is always tomorrow"
Thinking about them dead chips, once you've got enough of them, you could turn them into a resin table-top, set their legs into a lower green resin layer (mimicking a PCB's solder mask) and then cover in clear resin to make the top, would look pretty cool I think... :D
or they might have gold in them.
Those units were built in Braunschweig, Germany. The screws are DIN7981 and actually direct tap-in screws for sheet metal. But they work just fine for plastic as well. Commodore just misused them like so many did/still do.
cheap and plenty supply
@@arjanvanraaij8440 Indeed
@@ChipGuy In those day's they use them in construction with the first cordless drills.
He kept the dust cover. For 30 plus years. I'm speechless.
i'm german and recently bought a C64 from ebay, it also came with a dust cover... it was basically the same style/plastic so i assume these were very common.
@@proxy1035 They were, I'm German as well and I've seen them. I'm just amazed the seller still had it, because many, many people lost them, threw them away, etc.
I love watch your videos,your passion for these machines are amazing. Great job on this one..
I'd completely forgotten those dust covers even existed. watching this video was a 35 year old memory jolt.
Was the dust cover an extra accessory or was it part of the package when the computers was bought new? I do have an Amiga 500 with the same style dust cover.
Respect to that German guy that sent this package
4:14 Haha, we germans use many english words - especially in IT things. So of course we pronounce "sound" like everybody does. Same like americans say Zeitgeist.
Handy is the worst English word you use.
Okurka but it came in Handy
"we germans use much english words" - and apparently not always correctly ;-)
(scnr - I'm sure you know the difference between "much" and "many")
@@oldguy9051 : If that's the worst he does, I'll have to rate his English about even with the modern highschool graduate.
@@absalomdraconis You are probably spot on.
The amount of mix-ups of "their" "they're" and "there" is staggering.
Also "have" is very often replaced by " of" (like for example in "he would of done this") which is completely puzzling to me.
And I'm not a language expert or anything -- and should shut up now!
(and by the way: I'm German, too ;-))
I would suggest running a 240V line (Hot-hot double breaker) to your workbench so you can run Intl voltages natively at least for testing. Only rarely, you will run into something that HAS to have 50 Hz or damage, but again that is rare. I love being able to run something that needs (intl) or really wants (power supply efficiency) ~240 volts natively. But do remember to fully unplug if you need to test it! I learned the hard way! (Cause the "neutral" side is also at 120 to ground) EDIT: I know from experience on all accounts, I run 80% of my workbench on 240V for a number of reasons, using appropriate NEMA and IEC connectors (6-20 and C13/C14)
I second getting 240v, but a small step-up transformer is probably sufficient for Adrian's purposes if he doesn't want to run new electrical.
I would also suggest, for temporary testing ONLY, using special power cords to tap two 120v circuits on different legs, but this is MUCH more dangerous and doesn't work on GFCI-protected circuits like Adrian has in his basement.
Running 50Hz devices on 60Hz is unlikely to cause damage; the other way around is more likely to cause overheating. Lower frequency means more magnetization current which will cause a massive current increase if it pushes the transformer (or motor) into saturation.
I am absolutely astounded that this survived packed like it was! I assume this wasn’t shipped with standard postal service but with some dedicated parcel service.
The rule of thumb for pronouncing “ie” or “ei” in German is to pronounce the second letter as long. So Wiesbaden is Veese-bod-en. Nein is like “nine”, Drei is like “dry”.
That is really wrong it is true that we switch the i and the e around but it is 100% not veeseboden it is how it is spelt Wiesbaden phonetically wieesbaden
@@tickertape1 I think most English speakers would want to say the "a" in the second syllable as long. That's why I used "bod" phonetically. I suppose I could have used "bahd". The phonetic pronunciation I gave matches th-cam.com/video/9XZN0R0osbw/w-d-xo.html. It is pronounced wrong there?
Todd Swan yeah that’s right bahd would make more sense but yes.
Try pronouncing it like Wheeze for the first part then ba like in bathroom and the last part like in (the) den: Wheeze-bah-den :)
Hirndille yeah I should use that analogy more often
Can never have enough Commodore 64 repair videos.
4:47 Here in Turkey, that "Made in W. Germany" label does mean quality. It didn't matter what kind of product it is, those with that label are perceived to have quite long lifespan.
For example, I have a Fashy hot-water bottle from that time. It's being used every winter frequently but it still works perfectly as if it's brand new. It never fails to amaze me after reading its "Made in W. Germany" label for a thousandth time.
Basically those "Made in Germany" labels were introduced right after WW2 . They were meant to warn or to drive people away from buying an item because it wasnt made in the U.S. and therefore it was seen as low spec. Ironically it became a sign of quality instead of a warning not long after its introduction :)
@@Hirndille "Germany" doesn't have the same oomph(pun not intended) as "West Germany" or "Federal Germany" when it came to manufactured goods.
@@proCaylak The W. Germany Label was really introduced after WWII, but there exist an older made in germany label, that was introduced before WWI from Britain, to prevent people from buying german products. But they were at that time as good if not even better than english ones. But products, that were made in GDR weren't bad at all, they were only cheaper in production in cause of the not worthy currency of eastern germany during the cold war (often 1DM for 7 EGDM). They sell them for DM and $ on the western market. In the time of reunion was a decision made to change it for 1:2.
@@steveoerkel735 Thats right.
Made in W. - Germany lasts for a hundred years. Made in GDR lasts forever.
OK but they said "Grundig - hundig" (meaning awful like dog) or AEG - Auspacken Einpacken Gutschrift (meaning unboxing, packing, getting refund)
German Haribo uses Glucose syrup and North America uses Corn Syrup. Also the German ones use fruit juice and North American uses Artificial flavoring.
I spent 18 months in Germany at a small AB called Sembach. Wiesbaden was in the area and the W is pronounced as a V. Later in life I worked for a company that was a VAR for IBM PCs. I was sent to IBM PC school for the 1st IMB PCs in Boca Raton FL in the mid '80s. Learned the PC and printer repair. Got a real neat diploma with a picture of all the class.
PLA troubleshooting video would be great! Always enjoy watching your videos!
great fun for German viewers like me. Thanks for uploading!!!
YEP!
23:32 Lines ARE pulsing, oscilloscope would not trigger (which it does) otherwise. Your trigger point is off the screen to the left, so you don't see a pulse. Push little knob in Horizontal section to center it.
The RF extension cable is (or at least was before SCART & HDMI took over) used between things like video recorders to the TV set, often daisy-chaining through other things (e.g. a satellite or cable TV box, DVD recorder, etc.) to connect all the analogue goodness together, but also of course useful as an extension too... :)
Another machine fixed. "Herzlichen Glückwunsch" and "Daumen hoch" from your German viewers. 😀😁
Quite a while ago now, the EU banned lots of "artifical" colors and flavourings, which affected quite a lot of sweets. I remember the "blue smartie" dissapeared for a while because they couldn't find an approved coloring to replace it. I imagine the US gummie bears probably do use all sorts of colours and flavours that aren't allowed in the EU, which probably explains why the colors are more vibrant on the US ones.
1570, far as I know, was the stopgap drive Commodore released when the C128 was new. It has the improved speed mode of the 1571 but it's only single sided and it was quickly replaced by the 1571.
Yup and I have one with identicaly worn door lever, workin!
8-Bit Guy has a really good history of commodore disk drives here:
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Exactly. That’s why now it’s so rare. Had one as a kid for my 64. front panel was painted instead of molded with beige plastic, that’s why the color comes off.
Greetings from the very city you mispronounced! :D That was a surprise to see, someone from right around here sending you a package.
By the way, my C64 also used to have an "RF cardboard" that just clipped into the cartridge slot like on this one, with the difference that mine has a shortboard and the cardboard was, if I remember correctly, smaller and had ventilation holes like you mentioned.
same here, my C64C from germany also had the cheap silver cardboard with vent holes
Who remembers running you hand across the ||| holes to reacht e on/off switch and making a sound? 5:47-5:49 (somewhere in there u hear the sound) of this video reminded me of that... love these videos!
Awesome videos Adrian, I'm addicted! I love the deductive logic that you employ to troubleshoot issues, I use many of the same processes to repair contemporary tech (self taught), I pick up useful info and techniques all the time and rework elements of them to fix current gen tech. Your genuine love for the tech shows through along with your heaps of patience when things don't go your way and genuine joy when you fix something, all of this added up plus your very humble approach to your own undeniable skills; Great tech, great logic, great videos, great guy!
Commodore GmbH... I had to look up that acronym GmbH, apparently it means "company with limited liability", but I can't stop thinking of goombas from Mario Bros.
I love how it's possible to identify a company's country of origin just based on which version of "Inc."/"LLC" they use, if you know which ones are which.
Nice seeing you actually repair a german C64. I loved how you try to pronounce the German and one has to admit: All the guesses you made were right or nearly right. Thank you for another 30 Minutes of entertainment, it's a pleasure to be able to learn along with your judgements and misjudgements. Greetings from Germany, Sven.
I love how in depth your unboxing videos are!
8 Bit Guy could learn a lot about unboxing videos from this channel. Great positive vibe.
AFAIK David doesn't do donations or unboxings anymore because he has too much stuff.
I once read that Commodore originally planned to discontinue the C64 in late 1989/early 1990.
Then the Berlin wall fell, and all the people from Eastern Germany who always wanted one, but never were able to get one, rushed to buy one in the Christmas rush. That actually created enough volume to continue production for another 3 years.
Interesting factoid! Really not surprising and honestly if I were in their shoes, I would have been dying for a C64 as well. It must have gotten much cheaper by then too.
@@adriansdigitalbasement They were around 250-300 DM at this time according to the Internet (150-200 USD). The first ones were 1495DM, which quickly dropped to 698DM though. But yeah, quite a bit cheaper.
I'm from Germany and i love the way you tried to read the text. Made me chuckle thanks alot for that :)
I had more in there but I cut it out because it was likely so bad and embarrassing!!
@@adriansdigitalbasement Not at all, cudos for trying and actually doing quite well. As a native german speaker i am very thankful that i do not have to learn it :-) English is so much easier.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Plug that bad PLA back in and check all the scope screenshots! and compare them to the good PLA scopes! nice repair again!
The colors are different because many European countries have outlawed synthetic azo dyes like Red 40, Yellow 5, and Blue 1. I am severely allergic to those dyes and cannot eat most candies and mass produced sweets here in the States (not to mention most pickles, salad dressings, colored drinks, processed meats, etc). But when I go to Europe, I can eat whatever I want. Without getting on a soapbox, the corporate food structure in this country needs a massive overhaul. When you pay attention to the ingredients in US foods, you'll find those synthetic dyes in pretty much everything. And they have been linked to serious health concerns.
The good news is that I lost a lot of weight when I finally figured out my issue. :)
BTW, the ingredients in the German Haribo gummy bears are:
Glucose syrup; sugar; gelatin; dextrose; fruit juice from concentrate: apple, strawberry, raspberry, orange, lemon, pineapple; citric acid; fruit and plant concentrates: nettle, apple, spinach, kiwi, orange, elderberry, lemon, mango, passionfruit, blackcurrant, aronia, grape; flavorings; glazing agents: white and yellow beeswax; carnauba wax; elderberry extract; fruit extract from carob; invert sugar syrup.
The ingredients in the American version are: Corn syrup, sugar, gelatin, dextrose, citric acid, starch, artificial and natural flavors, fractionated coconut oil, carnauba wax, beeswax coating, artificial colors: yellow 5, red 40, blue 1.
My guess is that the German ones not only look different, but probably taste better and digest more easily.
Love your channel!
Congrats on fixing another computer!!!
Pretty nice gift that fan sent you!!!
I would love a C128 in my collection!
"Ich habe Schwein gehabt!"
Never change, german. Never change.
He had „Schwein“ because „Schwein“ is in Haribos.
I have pig had? Correct? Or am I still reading in Pennsylvania German?
kd9bwi, if you translate it 1-to-1 it would be correct.
TP, that’s wrong.
„gehabt“ means „had“.
I used to get PLA "BAD" a lot too......until I sprayed the cartridge slot with deoxit. I'm surprised you didn't. hahaha
I did actually just didn't show it :-)
The German Gummy Bears are without artificial coloring and without artificial flavors.
(I was quite shocked that the U.S. version uses so much additional "stuff" in it.)
In Germany, they could use artificial coloring (by law), but they don't use it because of health concerns by the German public.
There is also a "juicy" version that uses 25% natural juices.
The "normal" Gummibärchen also use fruits for coloring and flavoring.
The gummy bear colors are likely due to different food laws, I think some artificial dyes are banned in EU
The Haribos probably are a different colour, a lot of food manufacturers removed artificial colours from their European product lines in the mid 2000s.
Yep! The PLA chip was the only thing wrong with the C64 I bought and fixed last year too!
One thing you might want to add to your tool belt is an inrush current map. Basically use a resistor/shunt on the power input with the source side as your ground, then the other side to your oscilloscope with the time scale set large. You should see a pattern of current for a health system, but you might be spot common faults this way as well. Such as bad regulators or ground faults. Run through your dead parts bin and take pics of the different fault types.
Pronounced „Veesbaden“ 😊
Indeed. And to add to it, Wiesbaden, the state capital of Hessen, is indeed rather close to Frankfurt/Main. I believe you can even reach Wiesbaden out of Frankfurt using the local S-Bahn.
wieviele Polizisten haste denn schon geduzt?
@@mojoblues66 ;-)
@@mojoblues66 Wahrscheinlich zuviele. ;)
Meadow Bath
I’ve got a 1570 drive with my C64C (for which it’s a great cosmetic match). I bought it before I really knew much about C64s (I was a ZX Spectrum kid) so didn’t realise I’d bought something particularly interesting 😄
The high rise time you're seeing is typical of open collector outputs which are not being driven high by anything else other than a pullup resistor. A12-A15 have 3K3 pullups so this could explain it. The CPU's address bus can be tristated via the AEC signal
That Competition is not a clone, it's the "clear" version. Those things are among the best joysticks on the planet. Pretty much indestructable, and if a switch goes bad, even I am able to fix that. And that's saying a lot. I have one of those. Used it in my Atari 2600, in my Commodore 64, then in my Amiga, then when I started collecting, in a 2600 again. All those years, still kicking.
Whenever I buy things from Ebay Germany, I always get Haribo. I bought a shoulder bag, it came with Haribo. I bought an Amiga accelerator, it came with Haribo. I bought a camera lens, it came with Haribo. I wonder if it is some sort of tradition.
I have Scandinavian version of the Commodore Amiga 500, and from the date codes, seems to be made in the last weeks of 1990. The serial number sticker still says Made in W. Germany, even Germany was re-unified in 3rd of October 1990 (according to wikipedia).
I love these videos, you became my “smile” notification together with the retromancave, which is a good sign. haha
Lucky you !!. So many birthdays during the year, with incredible gifts :-)
You can get 240 volts from any two adjacent breakers on your panel. Electric stoves, electric dryers, and large air conditioners run on 240 volts in North America.
The weird lines in the plastic are also present on my french breadbin C64. I'm pretty sure they're welding fixes manually made to the molds as they become worn down.
My late production SNES (last motherboard revision, high S/N) has the same kind of lines and blobs on the inside, and the inside casing texture isn't as clean as it is on my earlier consoles.
I hope the blade you've opened it with was made in Solingen - 'coz that's the right way how to do it! ;)
like! - if you are Bergisch.
My tweezers are made in Solingen
Well, Solingen also has a dedicated Haribo store. So would be twice the awesomeness!
Matthias .....Germany has every good thing!
I would imagine that the european gummybears have a difference in colour based on the additives being used. If Haribo manufactures in the US for your market then they are probably following US laws governing what types of additives are allowed. (If memory serves, the EU has a lot stricter rules about additives in foodproducts than the US has)
It is a transclear Competition Pro. They have took, what was available at cheapest price for RAM-Chips.
You make me want to fly back to Portland and pick up my C64 in storage. Had it since I was 9. Memories!
That clear plastic joystick, aside from being suitable for use in prisons, looks like a high quality WICO joystick and uses microswitches. Those sticks are very durable and good quality.
Prison joystick LOL. Yeah this one is kind of worn out -- feels mushy
It's a "Kempston Competition Pro Joystick", although the design might have been relicenzed to other brands later on
The 1570 is a rebaged 1571; it has the electronics but only one side, but supports the burst mode or high speed on a c128.
It was so common in Spain, may be even more common than 1571.
I have my C64's audio plugged into my computer's line input. That way I can listen to both with one set of speakers. The C64 is TWICE as loud as youtube (or at least your video) I couldn't hear you at all until I paused it. lol
Zipstik (Black and yellow with square fire buttons) and Competition Pro
Your guessing in German is amazing! Almost hit it all right 😉
Ich fand es sehr geil.
LOL at the end, those Labtec 550s! I had those with my 486!
Wow! That smoke-tinted 128 dust cover is pretty drool worthy!!
i got same cover for my C64 in 90s .. it was a pretty l33t piece of gear for my rig ;p
The joystick looks like a Zipstik clone. A real Zipstik has square buttons, but it seems to use the same case and microswitches, it even has "Zipstik" written where you found joystick written on there.
Very reliable sticks, broken switches can be easily changed without any soldering.
Hey Adrian! 😊 Greetings from another German Here that likes Your Channel really a Lot!
Hope This Makes Sense, Just Had a funny Evening with some Friends and -may be- some Beer! 😅
Your videos are great!! I was betting on a bad ram chip. Great troubleshooting!!
See ADB come up, pause everything to watch!! Thanks for a great video!!
Maybe the Audio noise is the Typical noise easily fixed by grounding the Audio in which can be done on the underside of the board rather quickly. Nice Video btw! -Mark.
I've read that but I've done that mod and never found any change at all.
@@adriansdigitalbasement Wow, that's odd as I have Modded 5 C64's and while they may vary in how they sound after it certainly worked for me on all 5 C64's. I have a few more unmodded and I will try those as well to see if I can find one where no difference is noticed. -Mark.
Hey Adrian, I'm a German-People, i understand tha half from you. I love yout Channel.
The C128 box seems to have a METRO price tag. ^^
Those "ripples" in the plastic is from when it was moulded. It is quite common to make these in the mould to make the part stick to the correct half of the mould.
Diese Kommentarsektion ist nun Eigentum der Bundesrepublik Deutschland.
Könnte man so sagen
GeoStreber, no.
Richtig so 😂😂
haha
Hi Adrian! Keep up the good work! I´m addicted to your channel. I´m triying to build the Memory expansion for the Tandy... its complicated to get the parts here.
Germany: "We are FAIRLY sure the C-128 is compatible with all C-64 software, but just in case, we are including a bonus C-64 for free!"
I had similar "saw toothed" signals on my SX 64 project. Besides the PLA, it also had a semi-broken CPU: some operations failed. The "Count" in the dead test did go non-numeric after about 5 or so iterations, pointing to a broken BCD add or inc operation, but I'm no expert for this instruction set...
Cool video Adrian. The Haribo lover. Oh i fot some of that peach Tang from Mexico, is a bit diferent from the one here in Europe, i like it. ;)
protip: use isopropyl alcohol to check for hot chips, sizzling, or drying quicker should be a dead giveaway.
Slow dance 8-bit party yeah !
0:15 almost. the ie is pronounced pretty much like the e in "we"^^
That reaction on the opening was sweet.
3:17 yes.
3:30 "Work(ing) memory" more or less.
3:50 - 4:13 yes.
4:39 Did the German QWERTZ layout not exist at that time?
19:00 Did we all just get RickRolled? ;)
Your knowledge is fascinating every time.
19:45 omg that scene is so weird. It looks like we traveled back in time by 30+ years and then, all of sudden, an iPad enters the screen :D
20:36 What's that tool? Never seen anything like it
While reading the comments below I wondered whether you have any viewers outside of Germany at all. :-) ..and yes, I'm German too.
Haha! It is my #2 most popular country outside of the US :-)
Holy cow... I´m also from Wiesbaden, and I also had a C128 back in the day *lol*
You're not Alex's cousin are you?
@@adriansdigitalbasement unfortunatley not =) Mine came along with a 1571 (?) floppy-drive (the flat one) - remembering the "diskette-pincer", awesome stuff.
Oh and the city would be pronounced as "Weesbaden" (in english) - there is this odd thing going on with e = i and i = e.
Keep up your great vids!
cheers
its an original comp pro 5000.... the clear ones were very popular in the uk and europe
UK is still a part of europe :D
@@macdaniel6029 depends on whom you ask lol..... to me its not
9:40 maybe someone just didn't want long cables coming out of the power supply in TWO directions.
Maybe he has (or had😂) a cat
A few language lessons: The German "ie" is close to the English "ee", so you should pronounce it like "Weesbaden", same with "Bier" just spell it "Beer" like you're used to.
Tastatur = keyboard, Taste = key, but also "Schlüssel" = "key" but it's the key to lock or unlock something and because their are nouns, nouns always begin with a capital letter in German language.
And if you didn't know already: The VIC-20 was renamed to VC-20, because the German pronunciation of VIC was too close to the F-Word (we use it with "i" instead of "u").
You may now change your Name to Adrian Schwarz, may the Schwartz be with you! ;)
7:05 The Office was in Frankfurt, but they were assembled in Brunswick, one reason was because the nearby Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt (=Federal Institute of Physics and Technology) which is our NIST, was a good business customer, a few years ago they've opened a museum in the former plant: translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=blog.hnf.de/commodore-aus-braunschweig/&prev=search&pto=aue
You should visit it if you get to travel to Germany, Brunswick is between Hanover and Magdeburg and further in the East is Berlin, maybe a round trip, Berlin, Brunswick, Hanover, Hamburg and back to Berlin or first Hamburg, Berlin, Brunswick, Hanover and further West into Rhine-Ruhr area with Cologne, then Rhine-Main with Frankfurt.
The Screws seem to be wood screws, a major difference in many ways is the metric system, the screws aren't so much different but bolts are with metric threads and the pitch of these is measured in how far the screw/nut protrudes axial per full rotation whilst inch-based use threads per inch, so how many rotations it does to protrude one inch axial.
Thumbs up for Alex sending super repair powers
I feel reeeally uneducated now. How come I never saw you or your channel since a lifetime? Really cute, amazing stuff. Need to follow.
Interesting as the many machines in the UK I repaired had screws and shield like the one form Germany even though some commodores machines was made in UK
by pointy, you mean Self-tapping.
the flat ended ones are also called machine screws generally
There is a difference. My little brother has a red dye allergy so we have to pay attention to that stuff and haribo/candy in general manufactured for Europe aren't allowed to use certain dyes
you have a wonderful channel... greetings from Italy
Yay, the dead chips bin is back!! : )
I think you're pretty talented to learn German. The repair part was really interesting.
you rocks man!!! nice electronics fault analysis!!! un gran abrazo!!! from Chile.
404 plastic restorer, for some reason my mind said 404 grime not found lol
I really hope those aren't the sugar free gummies...
They most certainly are not :)
There are guys who pay you 15 bucks for the c128 box alone... The joystick is an absolutely original competition pro with a broken firebutton.the 1570 is pretty rare. It has only one head like the 1541 thus you have to flip your disc to read from the other side. If you connect it to the 128 however, it will work as fast as the 1571 in c128 mode. Of course, it behaves complety like the 1541 if you connect it to the c64.
I think that you're fantastic and what you do is very entertaining. But there are some things that you shouldn't do on the C-64 motherboard or on any PCB.
1. Don't bend the capacitors to an upright position, don't touch them!!. You can destroy the soldering and eventually will have a periodic error during it's lifetime because of a faulty soldering.
2. It looks like you should replace some of the capacitors, because you have a positive ramp signal on the address line. This will eventually destroy or influence the performance of some of the other ICs.
3. Keep up the good work.
You're always welcome to contact me if you need further clarification on these issues. ;-)
That C64 looks like new inside.