An extension of the "keeping Tala alive" one: the heart kept Moana alive throughout the many incidents that should have killed her (e.g., jumping into the realm of monsters and bouncing off the rocks a whole bunch of times)
Ever since I saw the movie, in the theatre, It was my personal head canon that the Grandma was chosen as a child as well, but she decided to stay on the island and follow tradition. Something she regretted later on, and saw her son turn away as well. This was why she recognized the heart and worked so hard to prepare Moana for when she would have to make the same decision. She never tried to make the decision for her, or even influence her, any more than her Father did. She just ensured that Moana knew she had a choice. And that was why the Ocean helped her to return, immediately, as a Manta Ray as Moana's spirit guide. She was a friend of the ocean. I hadn't thought about the heart keeping her alive, but that makes sense, as well.
I'm pretty sure it was confirmed by the creators of Moana that her and Te Fiti looking so similar was just coincidence. The animators just couldn't come up with a very different Hawaiian-looking face.
If you want to dive more into the lore about the sun drop and Tangled, I recommend watching the animated series. There is a *boatload* of mythology discussed in the show, and it's exceptionally well done. 😁
I saw on somebody else's post that the baby turtle 🐢 is the same turtle that Nemo's Dad rides on in Finding Nemo. The video was of a Disney Q & A with that turtle. Apparently that turtle said he was the same one.
Just had a weird thought.. the stone trying to get back to it's creator, so to speak, who in it's absence has become a violent volcano causing death and destruction. Has a familiar ring to it.
Some people have analyzed the movie as a story about how only women can help another woman heal from trauma(I personally really like this interpretation), and my guess since Moana's grandma held the heart for Moana and witnessed what happened with the ocean, my guess is she tried to show the heart to Moana's dad and he probably dismissed it since his mom is seen as the "village crazy lady" with all of her stories and believed it was false hope?
I know these are theories, but if the golden flower is from Te Fiti, then how would you suggest it could connect to the lore in Tangled the series, where the sun drop that caused the flower to grow in the cliff and the moon drop from the moonstone are from outer space? genuinely curious...
Luckily the old person was able to healthily part with the magic artifact that kept her young and didn’t think it was super precious to her like if you get the LOTR reference.
I do want to contest the last theory. While I think the design of the flower is spot on, I feel like the Bros are ignoring the lore behind why the Tangle Flower blossomed. A tear or drop of the sun landed on it. Now yes, Te Fiti and the sun both represent nature quite heavily, but I don't think they are connected that strongly. More of a plant/photosynthesis connection imo.
Love this video!! I have a question about theory no 4 though. If Moana looks like Tefiti because she is the chosen one, what did Tefiti look like when Chief Tui was the chosen one? Tefiti is always referred to as she, so how does that work? Please tell me your theories 😁
But the flower was empowered by the Sundrop in Rapunzel, wasn't it? That's the source of it's supernatural properties. The animated series expands on that as well. But...yeah, aside from that, good ideas there. The notion that her dad was chosen before Moana is so telegraphed it doesn't even feel like a theory, hehe.
Considering Tafiti is basically nature itself, I don't necessarily doubt that it's the reason the flower grew. Whether that be joining with the drop in the sky or using special soil to aid in its growth. Maybe the sun and earth worked together ! After all, what better time for the sun to let go of a drop than the recreation of the world?
Fun Fact for those who don't know, the turtle scene is also a nod to Lilo and Stitch. You just have to get to the credits and you'll see a picture of Stitch helping out a baby sea turtle in the same way Moana did.
and its said that the turtle is flip from finding nemo. at Disney world there's a finding nemo ride where you can ask flip any question. someone asked if he was the baby from moana, and he said: "i dont really like conspiracy theories, but totally."
The first time my friend and I watched 'Moana' when grandma Tala comes back as a ghost and says, "looks like I chose the right tattoo," I whispered to my friend, "looks like I'm coming back as a penguin," because my first tattoo was of a penguin. And my friend looked down at their first tattoo, which is a pencil, and cursed
My theory is that Moana father is not actually her real dad but instead her real father, who was also the chosen one, is the one who died in the boating accident and then because they were holding the heart their consciousness became part of the ocean. This theory also explains why Moans is becoming the new chief at such an early age, because the real chief drowned. Her fathers friend then raised her as his own daughter and they kept it all a secret from her and that is why he is so frightened of her going near the water, because he doesn't want her to suffer the same fate as her father.
My theory is that Moana's family are descendants of Te Fiti herself. She comes from a long line of Chiefs, and everyone from her dad's family side was drawn to the ocean (gramma Tala, Tui, and Moana). The ocean has been trying to get the heart back to Te Fiti since it was first stolen, revealing the heart to every generation of Moana's ancestors.
@@julyakacarrie6260 temora Morrison (may have spelt his name wrong) the same mane who does Jango fett, Boba fett and the clones in the live action films and shows.
I would like to ask then: if Moana is both not the only chosen one and also the heart of Te Fiti, if her dad had chosen to go to restore the heart of Te Fiti, would Te Fiti have looked like him?
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I don't know if Te Fiti and Moana are supposed to be the same, just look close enough to be clearly related in some way. So Te Fiti is more of a great, great... grandmonther rather than Moana in another form.
A theory I noticed was that Maui is the reason for the golden flower from Tangled. In tangled they say that the flower came from a drop of the sun. In the song “You’re Welcome”, Maui says he lassoed the sun. It’s possible that by lassoing the sun, sun drops fell to earth.
@@minuwasfish Thats not entirely true. In the same way Moana is more or less loosely based on legends existing for generations tangled is based on a german fairy tale from the collection of the brothers Grimm. But yeah, it is a difference between the inspiring sources and a company trying to "entangle" their films in one big cosmos ^^ So maybe Disney just used this coincidal thingi to bring this two storys together just a bit.
@@XYpsilonLP I know tangled is based on Rapunzel. However, the only similar thing about them is that she has long hair and is trapped in a tower by a witch. Literally nothing else is like in Rapunzel other than that. So tangled only exists since the movie, while moana being based off of real mythology which is btw, also older than Rapunzel
Moana probably wouldn’t have passed the test if the ocean killed her best friend. Maybe the ocean realized that maybe that was too far for a test and dumbed it down for her.
To be fair, I don't think the ocean actively killed the guy, the test was the strong currents and the boat sinking, what came after was up to them. With Moana's father his friend didn't make it, and with Moana she almost died herself by getting stuck, but she kept calm and made it. Maybe testing the ability to survive in the ocean was part of the test, and unfortunately Moana's dad was with a friend who failed, while Moana only had the pig with her, and pigs have no problem swimming.
@@zechariahdavid5199 If the ocean stepped in to help them then Tui wouldn’t learn the lesson he needed to learn if he was to be chosen and travel across the sea. Before going away they needed to know how incredibly dangerous and hard it would be. The purpose was to teach them to not give up and keep fighting, even without the help of friends or the ocean. It is entirely possible that Tui failed as soon as he decided to bring his friend along with him and the ocean had to teach him that it wasn’t a fun little adventure with your buddy but a difficult and sometimes brutal mission. The ocean didn’t directly kill the friend but it created the situation that led to his death, and it _couldn’t_ save him because that would ruin the whole purpose of the test.
You know that first theory makes SO MUCH SENSE! I don’t remember if it was 1,000 or 10,000 years ago that Maui stole the heart, but it makes sense that there would be multiple other people chosen. Cause why wait til the darkness is about to consume everything to choose someone to save it? Edit: another theory going along with the second one: Moana survives the thunderstorm not just because of the ocean, but because of the heart of Te Fiti
@@nimasyoutubez Yes that could be as the dad acts strange when Moana has the heart like he knows what is is which makes him want her to stay away from the ocean more than before
the last theory is a bit of a stretch since Tangled tells us the flower came from a sun drop. The tangled series also added to this by revealing there was also a moon drop that causes nothing but destruction to balance out the sun
Moana was never alone. Her grandmother was with her the whole time. She died as she left and her spirit sailed with her the entire time. That’s why when Moana needed her most the grandma was there with her. Also just before she left her grandma told her do u think there is anywhere u can go that I won’t be with u?
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What would happen if Moana helped the baby turtle but something still got it, cause you know...she's a baby? Would the ocean start to give Moana the shell and the heart before going, "gotcha!" and yeeting them both into oblivion? Also, surprised ya'll didn't use the Harry Potter "...but I am the chosen one" clip 😄
Your tangled theory was disapproved in tangled:the series. We learn that Repunzle’s power comes from the sun drop, which has a partner, the moonstone. The flower grew from the sun drop, but it was never the source.
I love the first theory though it does make me wonder why Moana couldn't have just grabbed the shell and then run to the turtle, like she had time to contemplate it she could've chosen both
so in tangled we have the sundrop and the moonstone. a yellow and blue rock respectively. now, we have a green rock representing earth with similar powers. yellow and blue makes green.
I got a theory that Moana‘s father is really a clone trooper because he is voiced by Temuera Morrison since Star Wars is set “ A long time ago in a galaxy far far away”
@@houstonwilcock4879 and the movie Moana is probably set a few centuries ago you know before the European colonial empire showed up on the Pacific islands and claimed the most part of their own territories
Personally, I think Te Fiti looks more like Sina than Moana. To me, it makes sense that Te Fiti would appear to a person with the face that best resembles that person's idea of a mother. For Moana, that's her own mother. Yes, Moana and Te Fiti look alike, but that's because Moana looks an awful lot like her own mom. I'm SO glad I'm not the only one who believes Moana was NOT the first person called to return the Heart of Te Fiti. She was merely the first to successfully answer the call and not give up when faced with hardship. As for the turtle, the ocean was also testing Moana's intelligence. Literally EVERY well meaning child under the age of 13 (and most of them over that age) would pick up that baby turtle, carry it to the water and plop it in. But Moana, at three years old, understood that the turtle HAD to make that journey across the beach on its own, or it would not be strong enough to swim once it reached the water. That neonatal sprint is critical to a baby turtle's survival. It's the only thing that develops their limbs enough to keep them buoyant in the water. Moana took her time to let the baby learn and grow on its own, providing only shelter from danger. That shows a level of intelligence and wisdom well beyond her years, as well as an understanding of how to work well with others and strengthen her whole team. Also, Moana's dominant function is extroverted Thinking. Fight me. The sundrop rampion was created when a drop of sunlight fell to earth in that spot. It's not unreasonable to assume multiple drops of sunlight hit the earth at that time. And since Te Fiti is a goddess, she could easily have requested the sundrops from the other gods in order to give each significant landmass a means of sustaining life independent of herself. But there's something else to consider: No sundrop falls independent of a drop of moonlight. They are paired, and when they are separated from one another, the drop of moonlight encapsulates itself in a moonstone opal, and grows extremely hard obsidian-like rock spikes around itself in order to protect itself. It seeks to be reunited with the sundrop, and when it gets there, the process is explosive. So if Motonui is host to a sundrop rampion, that means that somewhere in Polynesia, there's a moonstone looking to reunite with that sundrop. Anyone who possesses both the moonstone and the sundrop, and who knows the incantations to make them work, possesses power over basically the whole world.
Tangled the series explores the source of Rapunzel's powers, maybe you should look there. also I've just remembered that there were 2 stones: one is yellow and the other one is blue...
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Mine are more logical: Moana’s dad is rational and would see anything that could be magical as a rock. Considering they are familiar with bioluminescence, maybe this is what he sees. A bioluminescent rock. I think there were signs that Moan’s grandmother was ill. As soon as we see her with cane, we see her struggling to walk. She seems paler. She seems to be out if breath and having a hard time moving without having to sit down. She does a good job hiding it. I think Moana’s dad was being secretive with the boat because a) it was night and b) they were stealing a boat without permission. He created the rule after his friend died. The paddle that Muai writes on is just a joke, in my opinion. The heart is another way of saying love so I don’t think it goes beyond that. Do love the symbolism of Moana and Tefiti and Moana coming back as a turtle. I can see that after hearing thise theories.
I am curious if the reason grandma is so insistent on the prophecy is because she was chosen but failed a test. It could be where he necklace came from, a gift from the first test that was meant to hold the heart. Possibly, she had the rock and tried to get help to cross the break in the wave but no one believed her. It is possible that her son, Moana's dad, see her talking to her partner about it and that is why he knows about it. He may have even tried to take it for his mother, but failed. He doesn't blame his mom, but blames the rock making both of them believe in enough to get other hurt, so he tossed it back into the ocean. This was her second test that was failed, she didn't try going out since no one would help her and the rock was gone. She became "crazy" about it because she felt she failed and she knew the end was coming for them but she couldn't do it on her own. This would explain why the ocean likes her and why she was blessed with the longer life. She ended up holding onto the rock to pass onto someone else once she became too frail to do the trip on her own. So she held on long enough to pass it onto her granddaughter and gave Moana the help the grandmother was looking for all that time.
Also, still works for the theory about Moana being the heart because as an indigenous person, even when we are mixed with other races, we all do look alike enough that if we are apart for long periods we can hardly tell who is who. (Until they are older than 50 then all the sudden they have very distinct features) Basically, I'm saying it is like that Moana can look almost exactly like her grandmother at that age. Heck, I ended up with my white dad's features (like my 2nd grade pictures look like dad in the 2nd grade put on a wig) Still, everyone mistakes me for my mother because I look like her, or my grandmother, but both are indigenous and I'm a few shades lighter.
HOLY MOLY did Jonathan just reference the Kobyashi Maru? Yes, yes he does. Maybe someday we'll get Trek theory vids on SCB. Maybe. Someday? [probably not ... sobs]
I enjoy these videos very much!! Question: Isn’t there a video out there explaining that perhaps the Golden Flower from Tangled was part of the Disney Hercules story?
This is really fitting. I love the theories and answers you find for it. You can compare a lot of it to Encanto and the families candle, and similar vibe to how Mirabel and Moana are the hearts of the magic that drive the story.
A similar thing could be said about Namaari, because, even though she is the antagonist, she is the one who rebuilds the land. The story of Raya constantly interprets Raya as being the one who saved her land, but she chooses to petrify herself to give the position over to Namaari, and it’s worth mentioning that it wasn’t Namaari's choice to be given the task, but rather Raya's choice, but I think the gem was meant to be repaired by the one who had been involved in the gem breaking, meaning Namaari was the one who could repair everything. The reason Raya and the others gave the gem pieces was because they had the epiphany that if Namaari was the one who restored everything to normal, it would allow her to be seen as trustworthy again. Namaari planned the betrayal during her first meeting with Raya because she was intending on bringing Sisu's siblings back. Her part of the land (Fang) holds respect towards the petrified dragons by visiting their sanctuary whenever they can, which foreshadows the fact that she contributed to the gem breaking so that, when the time was right, she could obtain each piece of the gem to rebuild it, and this is supported by the fact that Raya took a hands off approach and chose to let Namaari rebuild everything and bring back Sisu's siblings. Her expression of devastation over Sisu’s demise was because she was having second thoughts about it, but eventually chose to do that because it was the next step to bringing the siblings and other dragons back, as it was a restart of everything, the water was drained since it would be a clean slate for her and Raya's land back to when dragons and regular inhabitants were coexisting with each other.
Except Te Fiti can't be the source of Rapunzel's powers since we know who the little sun spot is who left a portion of his divinity behind to create the flower when he drank all but the last drop of Hades' potion to turn him mortal: Hercules!
The firth theory makes sense until you consider the official Tangled canon that comes from Tangled the Series (Absolutely Amazing TV Series IMO) In the official lore the Flower was created by the Sundrop when The Sundrop and Moonstone appeared from the skies or something I can't remember
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Okay two things, I'm not convinced by the last 2 theories, they're outright debunked. 1. The drawing on the oar Maui made wasn't a representation of 2 people. It's literally emoji form of "Love Maui". It's a common way to write autographs from celebrities, "Love (Celeb name here)". While she does look like Te Fiti I'm more willing to believe that she's just a spirit reincarnation sent to revive the original. But either way my only real gripe with the theory was the autograph, because if it was meant to symbolize two people, Maui wouldn't have left her on the island and try to steal the boat. He didn't even want to sail with her, the ocean forced him. 2. The Golden Flower is not the work of Te Fiti. Throughout the movie and the series, we already know that the Golden Flower is a magical drop of sunlight that fell from the sky. (In fact it's seen happening from the intro of the movie.) Te Fiti has the power to give life, but her power isn't seen doing anything to the sky except covering it in black smoke when she's Te Ka and producing wind by exhaling. She presses her hands into the earth to give life to that she touches. Another debunk is that her power is symbolized with green glowing light, while Rapunzel's golden hair is symbolized by a golden glow, like the sunlight it represents. Being a plant doesn't mean the Golden Flower is Te Fiti's work. (Also wasn't it a while back that Super Carlin Brothers associated Rapunzel's power to Elsa's in the manner of which she receives it? Does that mean Elsa's ice power is now Te Fiti's work too? lol)
Actually, newborn sea turtles are sometimes distracted by city lights visible near a beach...leading them away from the ocean. The heart then hook means Love, Moui. duh Julieta Madrical (Columbia 1950s) is also a healer.
I have never thought Moana and Te Fiti looked exactly alike... There are subtle differences in their facial features. They are modeled after the same culture of people, but they don't look 100% alike. I know I'm in a minority of people who think this. I feel like Te Fifi has more of an upward slant on the outer parts of her eyes, her nose is a little bit wider, and her lips are fuller than Moana's. Just my opinion/theory.
OMG! If the heart of tefiti gives life then that's the reason why Moana survives the fall to the monster land! even Maui say she's dead! No human can survive such a fall on the head and with no injuries at all.
15:18 Not if she uses the Decaying (moon) spell she finds in the Tangled series - 'Wither and decay, End this Destiny, Break these earthly chains, And set the spirit free.'
An extension of the "keeping Tala alive" one: the heart kept Moana alive throughout the many incidents that should have killed her (e.g., jumping into the realm of monsters and bouncing off the rocks a whole bunch of times)
Ever since I saw the movie, in the theatre, It was my personal head canon that the Grandma was chosen as a child as well, but she decided to stay on the island and follow tradition. Something she regretted later on, and saw her son turn away as well. This was why she recognized the heart and worked so hard to prepare Moana for when she would have to make the same decision. She never tried to make the decision for her, or even influence her, any more than her Father did. She just ensured that Moana knew she had a choice. And that was why the Ocean helped her to return, immediately, as a Manta Ray as Moana's spirit guide. She was a friend of the ocean. I hadn't thought about the heart keeping her alive, but that makes sense, as well.
I'm pretty sure it was confirmed by the creators of Moana that her and Te Fiti looking so similar was just coincidence. The animators just couldn't come up with a very different Hawaiian-looking face.
I don’t think the ghosts were actually there at the end, I think Moana was hallucinating due to having no food or sleep since Tamatoa
I literally JUST watched Tangled today! haha was NOT expecting it to be included in this vid! haha
More SuperCarlin! Yay!
Watch as she gives the heart to Moana her hand even kinda creeks and twitches slightly. 🥺🤯
If you want to dive more into the lore about the sun drop and Tangled, I recommend watching the animated series. There is a *boatload* of mythology discussed in the show, and it's exceptionally well done. 😁
Gramma Tala has lots of Jedi tricks, doesn't she?
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Wouldn't it be cool if the baby turtle in Moana is the same grown up Turtle Marlon meets in Nemo :) Or related to :)
I saw on somebody else's post that the baby turtle 🐢 is the same turtle that Nemo's Dad rides on in Finding Nemo. The video was of a Disney Q & A with that turtle. Apparently that turtle said he was the same one.
10:26 love this 💚
Just had a weird thought.. the stone trying to get back to it's creator, so to speak, who in it's absence has become a violent volcano causing death and destruction.
Has a familiar ring to it.
Some people have analyzed the movie as a story about how only women can help another woman heal from trauma(I personally really like this interpretation), and my guess since Moana's grandma held the heart for Moana and witnessed what happened with the ocean, my guess is she tried to show the heart to Moana's dad and he probably dismissed it since his mom is seen as the "village crazy lady" with all of her stories and believed it was false hope?
wow i never thought about it like that and now that i am i’m gonna go cry
I know these are theories, but if the golden flower is from Te Fiti, then how would you suggest it could connect to the lore in Tangled the series, where the sun drop that caused the flower to grow in the cliff and the moon drop from the moonstone are from outer space? genuinely curious...
I think that Tui had never been the chosen one, was told so, and tried anyway. When his friend died because of his arrogance, he went into denial.
I always love how the new Disney and Pixar are interconnected if you pay attention to them.
Luckily the old person was able to healthily part with the magic artifact that kept her young and didn’t think it was super precious to her like if you get the LOTR reference.
You should make what if Ron got snapes copy of advanced potions
the sundrop flower from tangled is even referenced in moana as the flowers and plants are coming back after the blight is cured!
I think the sea turtle that Moana saves is the turtle Crush from Finding Nemo.
You forgot to say that the Miracle given to Abuela Alma, was also by Te fiti
You should make a tier list of the best/most skilled teachers at Hogwarts
The boat she chooses also has a turtle carved in it.
Honestly i thought te fiti was that green lady from that volcano scene from fantasia.
Has anyone thought that the symbol in Frozen 2 that the people make once they figure out about Anna and Elsa's mom looks suspiciously like the Swirl?
Have you ever noticed that Tafiti looks exactly like Moana?
Everyone noticed! How did anyone NOT notice that?!
For the first one though, the ocean made the second test easier, because her friend dint die in the ocean.
well this is a first
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The ocean (more so) did kill Moana’s best friend
Amazing video
I love these Disney theories!
I do want to contest the last theory. While I think the design of the flower is spot on, I feel like the Bros are ignoring the lore behind why the Tangle Flower blossomed. A tear or drop of the sun landed on it. Now yes, Te Fiti and the sun both represent nature quite heavily, but I don't think they are connected that strongly. More of a plant/photosynthesis connection imo.
Love this video!! I have a question about theory no 4 though. If Moana looks like Tefiti because she is the chosen one, what did Tefiti look like when Chief Tui was the chosen one? Tefiti is always referred to as she, so how does that work? Please tell me your theories 😁
16:28 T-Posing
Thought the flower was from Hecules drop.
the golden flower came from a drop of sunlight
But the flower was empowered by the Sundrop in Rapunzel, wasn't it? That's the source of it's supernatural properties.
The animated series expands on that as well. But...yeah, aside from that, good ideas there. The notion that her dad was chosen before Moana is so telegraphed it doesn't even feel like a theory, hehe.
Considering Tafiti is basically nature itself, I don't necessarily doubt that it's the reason the flower grew. Whether that be joining with the drop in the sky or using special soil to aid in its growth. Maybe the sun and earth worked together ! After all, what better time for the sun to let go of a drop than the recreation of the world?
Also Tangled is set around Germany where Moana is set in the tropics
Why didn't the Super Carlin Brothers review Strange World?
Does that mean grandma tala was also given the test when she was Moana’s age
The tapestry behind Gran when she passes has Maui AND a stingray....just saying
🙀🙀🙀 these make so much sense lol
I mean, "chosen one" is a person that had to be picked in the first place. It just did not happened in the first generation.
but the flower that gives the hair power in tangled we know is in greece not the pacificish ocean tht moana is set in.
Why does this man suddenly remind me of Seth Meyers
If moana is one of your favorite movies how come you have an artifact of something from every movie but moana
I’m just here to support a dude who loves animated movies with girls as leads generally marketed to little girls
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If the last theory in this video is true does this somehow conflict with your video about rapunzel 's powers stemming from Hercules?
You've already made videos on these theories.
Fun Fact for those who don't know, the turtle scene is also a nod to Lilo and Stitch. You just have to get to the credits and you'll see a picture of Stitch helping out a baby sea turtle in the same way Moana did.
and its said that the turtle is flip from finding nemo. at Disney world there's a finding nemo ride where you can ask flip any question. someone asked if he was the baby from moana, and he said: "i dont really like conspiracy theories, but totally."
@Adventure cats that's literally impossible they take place in completely different times
I'm so glad someone else has mentioned this. Crazy day when I saw that on a Lilo and Stitch rewatch. 😄
@@nonfungable3541 turtles live long and it’s Disney so magic
@@popoutj2854 bro sea turtles live 50 years Moana takes place in ancient times
The first time my friend and I watched 'Moana' when grandma Tala comes back as a ghost and says, "looks like I chose the right tattoo," I whispered to my friend, "looks like I'm coming back as a penguin," because my first tattoo was of a penguin. And my friend looked down at their first tattoo, which is a pencil, and cursed
Haha this is hilarious
Hopefully, he will come back as a tree first 😄
That's awesome, I laughed out loud
I'm gonna be a leaf...
I have no tattooes - I guess I'll just die💀
My theory is that Moana father is not actually her real dad but instead her real father, who was also the chosen one, is the one who died in the boating accident and then because they were holding the heart their consciousness became part of the ocean. This theory also explains why Moans is becoming the new chief at such an early age, because the real chief drowned. Her fathers friend then raised her as his own daughter and they kept it all a secret from her and that is why he is so frightened of her going near the water, because he doesn't want her to suffer the same fate as her father.
That's a really cool theory, I think it makes more sense.
Good point!
My theory is that Moana's family are descendants of Te Fiti herself. She comes from a long line of Chiefs, and everyone from her dad's family side was drawn to the ocean (gramma Tala, Tui, and Moana). The ocean has been trying to get the heart back to Te Fiti since it was first stolen, revealing the heart to every generation of Moana's ancestors.
And I’ve got a theory that her dad is a clone trooper because of the actor who voiced him
@@kernowpictures2002 Who's his VA? I watched the movie in spanish because i'm chilean.
@@julyakacarrie6260 temora Morrison (may have spelt his name wrong) the same mane who does Jango fett, Boba fett and the clones in the live action films and shows.
And the reason he threw Tefiti’s heart away is because it reminded him too much of the Jedi and the Kyber crystals that power the lightsabres
@@tolkienism3806 Temura Morrison FYI(For Your Information)
I would like to ask then: if Moana is both not the only chosen one and also the heart of Te Fiti, if her dad had chosen to go to restore the heart of Te Fiti, would Te Fiti have looked like him?
Aw man I just wrote more or less the same comment 😂 should have known someone would beat me to it!!
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I was thinking the same thing
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I don't know if Te Fiti and Moana are supposed to be the same, just look close enough to be clearly related in some way. So Te Fiti is more of a great, great... grandmonther rather than Moana in another form.
A theory I noticed was that Maui is the reason for the golden flower from Tangled. In tangled they say that the flower came from a drop of the sun. In the song “You’re Welcome”, Maui says he lassoed the sun. It’s possible that by lassoing the sun, sun drops fell to earth.
The legend of Maui lassoing the sun has existed for generations in my culture. Long before tangled
@@BR-og5rs well yeah? tangled only exists since 13 years after all?
@@minuwasfish Thats not entirely true. In the same way Moana is more or less loosely based on legends existing for generations tangled is based on a german fairy tale from the collection of the brothers Grimm.
But yeah, it is a difference between the inspiring sources and a company trying to "entangle" their films in one big cosmos ^^
So maybe Disney just used this coincidal thingi to bring this two storys together just a bit.
@@XYpsilonLP I know tangled is based on Rapunzel.
However, the only similar thing about them is that she has long hair and is trapped in a tower by a witch.
Literally nothing else is like in Rapunzel other than that.
So tangled only exists since the movie, while moana being based off of real mythology which is btw, also older than Rapunzel
Moana probably wouldn’t have passed the test if the ocean killed her best friend. Maybe the ocean realized that maybe that was too far for a test and dumbed it down for her.
To be fair, I don't think the ocean actively killed the guy, the test was the strong currents and the boat sinking, what came after was up to them. With Moana's father his friend didn't make it, and with Moana she almost died herself by getting stuck, but she kept calm and made it. Maybe testing the ability to survive in the ocean was part of the test, and unfortunately Moana's dad was with a friend who failed, while Moana only had the pig with her, and pigs have no problem swimming.
Lol, I can just imagine the ocean after coming to that conclusion: "Ooooh, I guess yeah, killing his best friend was not a good idea to motivate him."
@@kiminimuchu__ it could've saved the guy tho
@@kiminimuchu__ pigs can not swim
@@zechariahdavid5199 If the ocean stepped in to help them then Tui wouldn’t learn the lesson he needed to learn if he was to be chosen and travel across the sea.
Before going away they needed to know how incredibly dangerous and hard it would be.
The purpose was to teach them to not give up and keep fighting, even without the help of friends or the ocean.
It is entirely possible that Tui failed as soon as he decided to bring his friend along with him and the ocean had to teach him that it wasn’t a fun little adventure with your buddy but a difficult and sometimes brutal mission. The ocean didn’t directly kill the friend but it created the situation that led to his death, and it _couldn’t_ save him because that would ruin the whole purpose of the test.
You know that first theory makes SO MUCH SENSE! I don’t remember if it was 1,000 or 10,000 years ago that Maui stole the heart, but it makes sense that there would be multiple other people chosen. Cause why wait til the darkness is about to consume everything to choose someone to save it?
Edit: another theory going along with the second one: Moana survives the thunderstorm not just because of the ocean, but because of the heart of Te Fiti
And that might have been why her dad survived but his friend did not when the sea tested him! :o
@@nimasyoutubez Yes that could be as the dad acts strange when Moana has the heart like he knows what is is which makes him want her to stay away from the ocean more than before
I agree
Theory? Maybe not, but Maui's tattoo's. He tells of where he came from and points to the tattoo's where? On his back. His backstory.
More of a little dad joke 😂
the last theory is a bit of a stretch since Tangled tells us the flower came from a sun drop. The tangled series also added to this by revealing there was also a moon drop that causes nothing but destruction to balance out the sun
Moana was never alone. Her grandmother was with her the whole time. She died as she left and her spirit sailed with her the entire time. That’s why when Moana needed her most the grandma was there with her. Also just before she left her grandma told her do u think there is anywhere u can go that I won’t be with u?
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What would happen if Moana helped the baby turtle but something still got it, cause you know...she's a baby? Would the ocean start to give Moana the shell and the heart before going, "gotcha!" and yeeting them both into oblivion?
Also, surprised ya'll didn't use the Harry Potter "...but I am the chosen one" clip 😄
Your tangled theory was disapproved in tangled:the series. We learn that Repunzle’s power comes from the sun drop, which has a partner, the moonstone. The flower grew from the sun drop, but it was never the source.
I love the first theory though it does make me wonder why Moana couldn't have just grabbed the shell and then run to the turtle, like she had time to contemplate it she could've chosen both
Ye but Moana was just a baby toddler back then. They see one thing and that one thing is all that exists...
@@misamisaa4547 True, kids have tunnel vision.
SO. if tui did actually succeed the second test and make it to maui, would te fiti have looked like him?
Something that annoys me about Moana is how they call the boats “canoes” the proper Maori name is “waka” which was changed by colonisers to canoe
so in tangled we have the sundrop and the moonstone. a yellow and blue rock respectively. now, we have a green rock representing earth with similar powers. yellow and blue makes green.
I got a theory that Moana‘s father is really a clone trooper because he is voiced by Temuera Morrison since Star Wars is set “ A long time ago in a galaxy far far away”
Ah yes 🤦♂️
@@houstonwilcock4879 what do you mean?
@@houstonwilcock4879 and the movie Moana is probably set a few centuries ago you know before the European colonial empire showed up on the Pacific islands and claimed the most part of their own territories
Personally, I think Te Fiti looks more like Sina than Moana. To me, it makes sense that Te Fiti would appear to a person with the face that best resembles that person's idea of a mother. For Moana, that's her own mother. Yes, Moana and Te Fiti look alike, but that's because Moana looks an awful lot like her own mom.
I'm SO glad I'm not the only one who believes Moana was NOT the first person called to return the Heart of Te Fiti. She was merely the first to successfully answer the call and not give up when faced with hardship.
As for the turtle, the ocean was also testing Moana's intelligence. Literally EVERY well meaning child under the age of 13 (and most of them over that age) would pick up that baby turtle, carry it to the water and plop it in. But Moana, at three years old, understood that the turtle HAD to make that journey across the beach on its own, or it would not be strong enough to swim once it reached the water. That neonatal sprint is critical to a baby turtle's survival. It's the only thing that develops their limbs enough to keep them buoyant in the water. Moana took her time to let the baby learn and grow on its own, providing only shelter from danger. That shows a level of intelligence and wisdom well beyond her years, as well as an understanding of how to work well with others and strengthen her whole team.
Also, Moana's dominant function is extroverted Thinking. Fight me.
The sundrop rampion was created when a drop of sunlight fell to earth in that spot. It's not unreasonable to assume multiple drops of sunlight hit the earth at that time. And since Te Fiti is a goddess, she could easily have requested the sundrops from the other gods in order to give each significant landmass a means of sustaining life independent of herself. But there's something else to consider: No sundrop falls independent of a drop of moonlight. They are paired, and when they are separated from one another, the drop of moonlight encapsulates itself in a moonstone opal, and grows extremely hard obsidian-like rock spikes around itself in order to protect itself. It seeks to be reunited with the sundrop, and when it gets there, the process is explosive. So if Motonui is host to a sundrop rampion, that means that somewhere in Polynesia, there's a moonstone looking to reunite with that sundrop. Anyone who possesses both the moonstone and the sundrop, and who knows the incantations to make them work, possesses power over basically the whole world.
Tangled the series explores the source of Rapunzel's powers, maybe you should look there. also I've just remembered that there were 2 stones: one is yellow and the other one is blue...
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HOW HAVE YOU NEVER SEEN STAR TREK?! The Original Series set everything in motion. That's where it all began!
My best friend dying vs. a scratched up foot. I honestly can understand Moana's father.
12:26 when J accidentally mispronounced Motu, did anyone else hear ‘Mata Nui’ like the Bionicle? 😂
8:48 they really taking every opportunity to write cake off as a business expense 😂
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Mine are more logical:
Moana’s dad is rational and would see anything that could be magical as a rock. Considering they are familiar with bioluminescence, maybe this is what he sees. A bioluminescent rock.
I think there were signs that Moan’s grandmother was ill. As soon as we see her with cane, we see her struggling to walk. She seems paler. She seems to be out if breath and having a hard time moving without having to sit down. She does a good job hiding it.
I think Moana’s dad was being secretive with the boat because a) it was night and b) they were stealing a boat without permission. He created the rule after his friend died.
The paddle that Muai writes on is just a joke, in my opinion. The heart is another way of saying love so I don’t think it goes beyond that.
Do love the symbolism of Moana and Tefiti and Moana coming back as a turtle. I can see that after hearing thise theories.
I didn't know about this movie until I had a kid. I think I like it more than him now, lol
I am curious if the reason grandma is so insistent on the prophecy is because she was chosen but failed a test.
It could be where he necklace came from, a gift from the first test that was meant to hold the heart.
Possibly, she had the rock and tried to get help to cross the break in the wave but no one believed her.
It is possible that her son, Moana's dad, see her talking to her partner about it and that is why he knows about it.
He may have even tried to take it for his mother, but failed.
He doesn't blame his mom, but blames the rock making both of them believe in enough to get other hurt, so he tossed it back into the ocean.
This was her second test that was failed, she didn't try going out since no one would help her and the rock was gone.
She became "crazy" about it because she felt she failed and she knew the end was coming for them but she couldn't do it on her own.
This would explain why the ocean likes her and why she was blessed with the longer life.
She ended up holding onto the rock to pass onto someone else once she became too frail to do the trip on her own.
So she held on long enough to pass it onto her granddaughter and gave Moana the help the grandmother was looking for all that time.
Also, still works for the theory about Moana being the heart because as an indigenous person, even when we are mixed with other races, we all do look alike enough that if we are apart for long periods we can hardly tell who is who. (Until they are older than 50 then all the sudden they have very distinct features)
Basically, I'm saying it is like that Moana can look almost exactly like her grandmother at that age.
Heck, I ended up with my white dad's features (like my 2nd grade pictures look like dad in the 2nd grade put on a wig)
Still, everyone mistakes me for my mother because I look like her, or my grandmother, but both are indigenous and I'm a few shades lighter.
HOLY MOLY did Jonathan just reference the Kobyashi Maru? Yes, yes he does. Maybe someday we'll get Trek theory vids on SCB. Maybe. Someday? [probably not ... sobs]
I WISH I’m shocked he said he hasn’t seen it
I enjoy these videos very much!! Question: Isn’t there a video out there explaining that perhaps the Golden Flower from Tangled was part of the Disney Hercules story?
This is really fitting. I love the theories and answers you find for it. You can compare a lot of it to Encanto and the families candle, and similar vibe to how Mirabel and Moana are the hearts of the magic that drive the story.
A similar thing could be said about Namaari, because, even though she is the antagonist, she is the one who rebuilds the land. The story of Raya constantly interprets Raya as being the one who saved her land, but she chooses to petrify herself to give the position over to Namaari, and it’s worth mentioning that it wasn’t Namaari's choice to be given the task, but rather Raya's choice, but I think the gem was meant to be repaired by the one who had been involved in the gem breaking, meaning Namaari was the one who could repair everything. The reason Raya and the others gave the gem pieces was because they had the epiphany that if Namaari was the one who restored everything to normal, it would allow her to be seen as trustworthy again. Namaari planned the betrayal during her first meeting with Raya because she was intending on bringing Sisu's siblings back. Her part of the land (Fang) holds respect towards the petrified dragons by visiting their sanctuary whenever they can, which foreshadows the fact that she contributed to the gem breaking so that, when the time was right, she could obtain each piece of the gem to rebuild it, and this is supported by the fact that Raya took a hands off approach and chose to let Namaari rebuild everything and bring back Sisu's siblings. Her expression of devastation over Sisu’s demise was because she was having second thoughts about it, but eventually chose to do that because it was the next step to bringing the siblings and other dragons back, as it was a restart of everything, the water was drained since it would be a clean slate for her and Raya's land back to when dragons and regular inhabitants were coexisting with each other.
Why was grandma Tala never picked as the chosen one?
Except Te Fiti can't be the source of Rapunzel's powers since we know who the little sun spot is who left a portion of his divinity behind to create the flower when he drank all but the last drop of Hades' potion to turn him mortal: Hercules!
The firth theory makes sense until you consider the official Tangled canon that comes from Tangled the Series (Absolutely Amazing TV Series IMO)
In the official lore the Flower was created by the Sundrop when The Sundrop and Moonstone appeared from the skies or something I can't remember
QUICK POLL: Am I the only one in this So- called "Towel section" who heard 'Mata Nui' and INSTANTLY (bc WE haven't seen the above film and think BIONICLE?)((comments welcomed if it's to do with where to buy BIONICLE))
Okay two things, I'm not convinced by the last 2 theories, they're outright debunked.
1. The drawing on the oar Maui made wasn't a representation of 2 people. It's literally emoji form of "Love Maui". It's a common way to write autographs from celebrities, "Love (Celeb name here)". While she does look like Te Fiti I'm more willing to believe that she's just a spirit reincarnation sent to revive the original. But either way my only real gripe with the theory was the autograph, because if it was meant to symbolize two people, Maui wouldn't have left her on the island and try to steal the boat. He didn't even want to sail with her, the ocean forced him.
2. The Golden Flower is not the work of Te Fiti. Throughout the movie and the series, we already know that the Golden Flower is a magical drop of sunlight that fell from the sky. (In fact it's seen happening from the intro of the movie.) Te Fiti has the power to give life, but her power isn't seen doing anything to the sky except covering it in black smoke when she's Te Ka and producing wind by exhaling. She presses her hands into the earth to give life to that she touches. Another debunk is that her power is symbolized with green glowing light, while Rapunzel's golden hair is symbolized by a golden glow, like the sunlight it represents. Being a plant doesn't mean the Golden Flower is Te Fiti's work. (Also wasn't it a while back that Super Carlin Brothers associated Rapunzel's power to Elsa's in the manner of which she receives it? Does that mean Elsa's ice power is now Te Fiti's work too? lol)
Actually, newborn sea turtles are sometimes distracted by city lights visible near a beach...leading them away from the ocean.
The heart then hook means Love, Moui. duh
Julieta Madrical (Columbia 1950s) is also a healer.
Agree.
I have never thought Moana and Te Fiti looked exactly alike... There are subtle differences in their facial features. They are modeled after the same culture of people, but they don't look 100% alike. I know I'm in a minority of people who think this. I feel like Te Fifi has more of an upward slant on the outer parts of her eyes, her nose is a little bit wider, and her lips are fuller than Moana's. Just my opinion/theory.
OMG! If the heart of tefiti gives life then that's the reason why Moana survives the fall to the monster land! even Maui say she's dead! No human can survive such a fall on the head and with no injuries at all.
15:18 Not if she uses the Decaying (moon) spell she finds in the Tangled series -
'Wither and decay,
End this Destiny,
Break these earthly chains,
And set the spirit free.'
So, the last theory contradicts with another made, that Megara is Mother Gothel.
Nice to see multiple possibilities explored, though.
If Pua died like the chiefs friend I don't think Moana would have gone on the voyage. The Ocean is picking favorites.
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You need to watch Tangled the series, it's better than you probably think and will answer important questions
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