Awesome. Thanks for the quick response and detailed info :-) Wanted to go Padi but my local shop is SSI so planning on taking that route 1st I guess..lol -cheers
Well you know what they say. PADI stands for Put Another Dollar In, whereas SSI stands for Significantly Smaller Investment. PADI makes you pay for your Master Diver cert, whereas SSI gives it to you for free!
@@bloodymarvelous4790 Yeah that's why I did both. That way when I show up to the resort, I can show off my fancy card collection but still be taken [somewhat] seriously 🤣😂🤣😂
Not sure I really have an answer other than that is what is set by the training agencies. For the average certified diver, 50 dives takes several years to complete. The percentage of people who get certified, and still dive after a 5 year period, is only about 10%. So I guess the training agencies see 50 dives as a goal for divers to reach to become a Master Scuba Diver. If we averaged an hour of bottom time for each dive, 50 dives would equate to 50 hours underwater. Let alone the training requirements a Master Scuba Diver candidate goes through, not only are they logging time underwater, they are also gaining knowledge in different areas of diving as well. Hopefully this answers your question.
It's because they aren't interested in experience. What they're interested in, is that you spent five thousand dollars with one of their training agencies. Cash is king, mate. You can have 20,000 dives and until you've spent that money with them, your name aint worth shit.
drew Murray in my personal experience, after reaching the 50 dive mark, i noticed my buoyancy was a lot better at any depth than my previous dives ...plus having different experiences from different dive environments also helped a lot
The difference between Master Scuba Diver and Divemaster, in the long run, is that Master Scuba DIver is recreational and Divemaster is the transitional face to commercial/teaching/aquatic jobs that require scuba license.
I feel like master diver back in the day may have compared to black belt status, but these days it comes off as more of a red belt. They just don't teach the art of diving quite like they used to, and it's a damn shame.
I've observed many training sessions over the past couple of decades, and the one thing I have noticed is how the emphasis has shifted away from the technical aspects and how the equipment works, to more of a cut and dry crash course. According to my old man, they used to teach you how to take apart the regulator and put it back together, how to service it, and how to repair it all by yourself. Now a days, they just tell you to pay somebody else to do all that for you. Now a days, if you want to learn all that stuff, you either have to Put Another Dollar In and get your tek cert, or you find yourself a technical and apprentice under them for a few years.
I agree….it’s not based on real and varied experience but checking the boxes. Just saw a supposed “divemaster” who got the bends in Socorro cuz she didn’t understand RBT.
Hi! I would like to know if there is a huge difference between academics/schools, I mean I have already my PADI OW certification, and I´m looking for the next ones, but it has been always around my mind if I would find some school that teach me more in a specific way, for example, I would love to work around sharks all the time, so I want to be sure if PADI is the right one! Thanks for your advance and great videos, it is easy to understand :)
Standards between the agencies can differ. However, the basic academics is the same. An instructor can make all the difference in the world. I tell all students to interview the instructor before taking a class, and to not get caught up with the agencies themselves. Now with all this being said, certain agencies are more physics oriented than others, but even so, the skills taught are the same. An example would be removing and replacing a mask. No matter how you do it, the fundamentals are, you remove it, replace it, and clear it. I can teach you different ways to do it, one handed, two handed, no handed, using your buddy's hands, etc., but at the end of the day, you simply remove it, replace it, and clear it. PADI, SSI, PDIC, SEI, and CMAS are the agencies which I teach through, but NAUI, SDI, TDI, etc., are all valid, and I would recommend all to you. Here is a link to a video we made discussing all of the know agencies which you can learn to scuba dive from. th-cam.com/video/x968v6I5qIA/w-d-xo.html. Hope this answered your question.
my dad is master diver 🤿 & 7th dan in karate 🥋 he’s both 😜 he’s certified night driver advanced open water cavern diver rescue diver equipment specialist etc he loved cave diving he’s done a lot of caves in fl devil eye devil ear manatee springs troy swanie river gennie springs icetuckee to name of few ❤️
Corrections: 1. SSI Divemaster does NOT require "Search and Recovery" as the video indicates. 2. SSI Divemaster requires 60 logged dives - not 50 as the video indicates 3. SSI Master Diver does NOT require "Advanced Adventurer" as the video indicates. 4. I think that comparing Master Diver to a black belt may be over-rating the the knowledge, ability, and skill level required to meet the minimum standards of naui, paid or ssi Master Diver. What Master Diver does mean is that the diver has gained some experience and knowledge that SHOULD result in increased abilities ...
Hello!!, thank you!! very useful video to understand the differences. However, I have a doubt related to Advance Open Water and the Specialities to get the Master Scuba Diver certification. I know that if I want to do the AOW, I have to choose 5 specialties (deep diving + navegation + other 3) but in the video you said that after AOW, I should do the rescue and another 4 specialties if I want to get the MAster Scuba Diver Certification. My question is, are these specialties different to the specialties I choose in the AOW certification? (sorry if my english is not good, is my second language)...thanks!
Great question. The first thing we have to do is to decide which agency you plan on learning through. In SSI Advanced Open Water Diver and Advanced Adventurer is 2 different certifications. The Advanced Adventurer is the equivalent to PADI's Advanced Open Water. Though not a complete Advanced Open Water Certification, but a great way to decide which specialties you may want to seek a certification in. PADI's Advanced Open Water and SSI's Advanced Adventurer is simply 5 additional dives after Open Water, which must include, 1 deep dive below 60ft, 1 Night or Limited Visibility Dive, 1 Navigation Dive, and 2 electives. For the full Advanced Open Water Certification through SSI (an actual free certification by the way), a diver must earn 4 full specialty certifications (which up to 2 can be from other agencies), chosen by the student, after their Open Water Certification, and must log a total of 24 dives. If a student has already completed the Advanced Adventurer Program or even PADI's Advanced Program, then he or she may earn credit for those 5 dives and apply them towards the chosen specialties. An example would be say if the diver wanted to complete his Deep Diver Certification, which takes a total of 3 dives, 1 to 60ft, 1 to 80ft, and 1 to 100 feet. If he has already completed the Advanced Adventurer Certification, then the 60ft dive is credited back to him, and he only has to complete 2 more deep dives, 1 to 80ft, and 1 to 100ft, to earn the Deep Diver Certification. The same would apply for the other 4 Adventure Dives he completed during Advanced Adventurer. For most divers who already know what specialties they want to pursue, they will skip Advanced Adventurer and jump straight into the specialties of their choice. If they are unable to decide, then they can use the Advanced Adventurer Course as a way to get their feet wet in different types of diving. This will also work with PADI specialties as well. Documentation signed by their instructor is key to proven they have completed said dives. In SSI, once a diver has logged 50 dives, has a total of 4 specialty certifications (4 of their choosing), completes the React Right Course (or equivalent), and earns the Stress and Rescue Certification (or equivalent) then he will be awarded the Master Diver Certification. In PADI, he must have a total of 5 PADI specific Specialty Certifications, a total of 50 dives, the Emergency First Response Certification (or equivalent), the Rescue Diver Certification (or equivalent), and then pay the Master Scuba Diver fee, and he will be issued a Master Scuba Diver Certification. Going back to SSI for a minute, SSI will allow up to 2 specialty certifications from other agencies, where PADI requires all of them be through them. Hope the answers your questions.
LakeHickoryScuba thank you for your answer. Now I understand how can I get the Master Diver in SSI, and what is the difference between full specialty and a "try" of specialty...very useful information.
Hi Brian great video again.Im just about to start my Dive Master course with PADI.can you give me the prerequisites that I'm needing as some people tell me different specialty courses are needed and it's s bit confusing to what I essentially need Cheers
Hello sayittrue, as of 2019, the current PADI standards state that a diver must have the following pre-requisites to start the Divemaster program. A diver must have Openwater, Advanced Open Water, Rescue, First Air / CPR (called Emergency First Response), be 18 years old, have 40 dives logged to start the program (60 to complete the course), and you must also have a current medical with in the last 12 months. Hope this helps.
@@LakeHickoryScuba thanks I'm a certified Rescue Diver with PADI I was more or less thinking what specialtys I would need.so far I've got Nitrox navigation oxygen provider RNLI sea survival dsmb dry suit and 3 others that arnt what I call critical to divng more like for project aware stuff.i was thinking do I need search and recovery and deep diver?
How does it work if I have mixed cert cards from SSI and PADI? Can I apply those specialties torwards both SSI DM or MD and vise versa or does it all have to one or the other?
+Chris Nininger Each agency has there own requirements. Being that we teach through both we sit down and explain in full detail to each student their options. PADI does require for the Master Scuba Diver certification that all specialties be PADI, but for Dive Master they can be any other agency's specialty. Now with SSI, for Master Scuba Diver, they will except up to 2 specialties from other agencies, and the rest must be SSI. For Dive Master, SSI like PADI will except any and all from other agencies. I would suggest sitting down with your local shop and have them show you the training standards for the agency they teach through and hopefully that will help you out in deciding what classes to take next.
Hello Vod, the biggest gap is learning the ways of a professional diver. Transitioning from a Master Diver to a Divemaster is all about learning the industry, learning how to lead and guide divers, and learning the first part to the methodology of teaching.
LakeHickoryScuba thank you for the answers 😊 I’m currently looking for a place for the internship I’m very interested and exited to do it soon. Also thank you for Sharon your knowledge with us your videos are great 🤙
hi just don't understand where the free comes in to ssi diving compared to padi from my personal search they come out to about the same price..if I want any course in eather one I pay the course and get that certification .. adavance open water in padi is 400 Canadian and in ssi it is the same price .. or did I miss understand the answer you gave . sorry I am confused thanks john
Hey John, in short, once all requirements are met for the PADI Master Scuba Diver Certification, PADI charges an additional fee to earn the Master Scuba Diver Certification. With SSI, they will automatically generate the certification once all requirements are met, free of charge.
@@LakeHickoryScuba ohh ok wow cool . Ok sorry i didnt see that part of it . Thank you for your time . 👍 for your videos realy like them . And thankyou again
Don't know about free but I have certs in SSI as well as PADI and what I like about SSI is you can go back and review all class material when you want you only have access for I think it was 2 years then its gone with my Rescue cert that is a big advantage
Great question, unfortunately, the civilian scuba industry and the Government does not quite see eye to eye. The good news though, certain agencies will allow direct crossovers for any certification you earned while in the military. These may sometimes apply towards a Master Scuba Diver Certification.
I have the same question about being trained as a commercial diver trained by an major college. I did all of those courses you spoke about over a one year period. I have been diving 30 years and want recognition for the work I've put in..how do I go about getting it?
Interesting. PADI requires 5 specialties, not 4. Either way, why stop there? I have 6 specialities plus my [PADI] divemaster cert but would do more if I had the time. The more you know, the better your dive experience becomes. SSI or PADI? Either way, get stuck in!
I really love your videos. You folks do amazing work, but you cannot become a Divemaster with 50 dives, you need 60 logged dives. I am a Master Diver and I am also a Divemaster. Keep creating awesome videos, but you need to update this one.
Thank you for the kind words. You would be correct, the SSI training standards require a total of 60 dives to earn the SSI Divemaster Certification. The requirement for SSI Dive Guide is 50 dives. Thank you again for pointing this out.
Thanks for the love. For as long as I can remember, at least since the late 80's, the industry has always used that saying to help people understand what the Master Scuba Diver rating is all about, compared to the Divemaster rating. Once you have mastered the art of something, you earn a black belt. But to become an instructor, or Sensei, it takes a lot more. Let us know how you would describe the differences between the 2 ratings.
LakeHickoryScuba , On average, the dedicated student who attends classes twice a week, can expect to earn a black belt in about 5 years..... Our industry has watered down the process to the point a student can progress from beginner to instructor in just a few months... Now, back in the 70's or 80's the analogy might have been accurate. I no longer believe it is. IMHO
I think the point of the statement is simple. A Master Scuba Diver is someone who has been dedicated and earned the required certifications to qualify as a Master Scuba Diver / Black Belt, but hasn't had the methodology training to become a teacher / Divemaster / Instructor / Sensei. Try not to read too much into it. The watered down statement has been used a lot as well. In 1988, my first PADI Open Water course was 16 weeks long, 4 nights a week. Now a student can earn his certification in 2 days. So I understand your thought process in the matter. But technology and the learning ability of students now days is greater thanks to the technology. I believe we hold people back if we do not award them for being able to educate themselves by self study. I've never believed that online study has replaced the instructor, but has assisted him. People are smart, and can learn on their own. The Instructors job has shifted from just teaching to evaluating. Someone who is dedicated, educated, and open to never stop learning should never be punished by not allowing them to progress as fast as they possibly can, otherwise saying, some people are just naturals. I know a lot of great instructors who have been diving less than 5 years, some I have trained, and then ended up taking courses from as well. Just because I have been doing something longer than another diver, doesn't mean I can't learn from them. I have an open invite to any certified diver, to come for a free course, that they are already certified in, with in the agencies I teach for to compare to how they learned. The few that has taken the offer, realize, the agencies have not watered down the course but the individual instructor has. My courses, short or long, are just as intense and educational as mine was 30 years ago.
Did you actually do any research before you made this video? The AA and AOW are two different things, and neither is required for either a Master Scuba Diver or a Divemaster but the AOW is automatically included and free within both the MSD and Divemaster ratings. The Advanced Adventurer (AA) is a specialty package of the first dives of five different specialty programs. The Advanced Open Water (AOW) requires completion of four complete specialty programs and having logged 24 dives. From the SSI Standards that you’re literally holding in your hand in the video, “Adventure Dives are supervised experience dives only, and should not be confused with the Advanced Open Water Diver recognition rating.” Also, the Divemaster rating requires 60 logged dives.
Hello Vod, the biggest gap is learning the ways of a professional diver. Transitioning from a Master Diver to a Divemaster is all about learning the industry, learning how to lead and guide divers, and learning the first part to the methodology of teaching.
Hello Vod, the biggest gap is learning the ways of a professional diver. Transitioning from a Master Diver to a Divemaster is all about learning the industry, learning how to lead and guide divers, and learning the first part to the methodology of teaching.
Very nice explanation! thanks
You’re welcome Drive Car
Awesome. Thanks for the quick response and detailed info :-) Wanted to go Padi but my local shop is SSI so planning on taking that route 1st I guess..lol -cheers
Well you know what they say. PADI stands for Put Another Dollar In, whereas SSI stands for Significantly Smaller Investment. PADI makes you pay for your Master Diver cert, whereas SSI gives it to you for free!
@@misterkaos.357 I like that AOW actually means you're advanced in SSI, but only means you took a course in PADI.
@@bloodymarvelous4790 Yeah that's why I did both. That way when I show up to the resort, I can show off my fancy card collection but still be taken [somewhat] seriously 🤣😂🤣😂
50 doesn't seem like enough dives too master diving. Why is this number so low?
Thank you for your time.
Not sure I really have an answer other than that is what is set by the training agencies. For the average certified diver, 50 dives takes several years to complete. The percentage of people who get certified, and still dive after a 5 year period, is only about 10%. So I guess the training agencies see 50 dives as a goal for divers to reach to become a Master Scuba Diver. If we averaged an hour of bottom time for each dive, 50 dives would equate to 50 hours underwater. Let alone the training requirements a Master Scuba Diver candidate goes through, not only are they logging time underwater, they are also gaining knowledge in different areas of diving as well. Hopefully this answers your question.
It's because they aren't interested in experience. What they're interested in, is that you spent five thousand dollars with one of their training agencies. Cash is king, mate. You can have 20,000 dives and until you've spent that money with them, your name aint worth shit.
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I'm at about 120 dives over about 5 years and still feel like a beginner. I've definitely notice PADI specifically loves to sell cards.
drew Murray in my personal experience, after reaching the 50 dive mark, i noticed my buoyancy was a lot better at any depth than my previous dives ...plus having different experiences from different dive environments also helped a lot
The difference between Master Scuba Diver and Divemaster, in the long run, is that Master Scuba DIver is recreational and Divemaster is the transitional face to commercial/teaching/aquatic jobs that require scuba license.
That is definitely one way to look at it.
What sort of insurance in necessary for a Dive Master & what sort of cost are involved?
Can you do Deep Diver without Advanced Adventurer, or is Advanced Adventurer a requirement before you go into Specialty Dives?
Hello @bloddymarvelous4790, with SSI, you can take Deep after Open Water.
Well explained
Thanks Classic OG.
I feel like master diver back in the day may have compared to black belt status, but these days it comes off as more of a red belt. They just don't teach the art of diving quite like they used to, and it's a damn shame.
I guess that would really depend on the Instructor teaching the courses. Some Instructors go above and beyond, some don't. Happy Diving.
I've observed many training sessions over the past couple of decades, and the one thing I have noticed is how the emphasis has shifted away from the technical aspects and how the equipment works, to more of a cut and dry crash course. According to my old man, they used to teach you how to take apart the regulator and put it back together, how to service it, and how to repair it all by yourself. Now a days, they just tell you to pay somebody else to do all that for you. Now a days, if you want to learn all that stuff, you either have to Put Another Dollar In and get your tek cert, or you find yourself a technical and apprentice under them for a few years.
Sounds like you have been in the diving world for a long time, at least several decades. That is an amazing accomplishment.
I agree….it’s not based on real and varied experience but checking the boxes. Just saw a supposed “divemaster” who got the bends in Socorro cuz she didn’t understand RBT.
Hi! I would like to know if there is a huge difference between academics/schools, I mean I have already my PADI OW certification, and I´m looking for the next ones, but it has been always around my mind if I would find some school that teach me more in a specific way, for example, I would love to work around sharks all the time, so I want to be sure if PADI is the right one!
Thanks for your advance and great videos, it is easy to understand :)
Standards between the agencies can differ. However, the basic academics is the same. An instructor can make all the difference in the world. I tell all students to interview the instructor before taking a class, and to not get caught up with the agencies themselves. Now with all this being said, certain agencies are more physics oriented than others, but even so, the skills taught are the same. An example would be removing and replacing a mask. No matter how you do it, the fundamentals are, you remove it, replace it, and clear it. I can teach you different ways to do it, one handed, two handed, no handed, using your buddy's hands, etc., but at the end of the day, you simply remove it, replace it, and clear it. PADI, SSI, PDIC, SEI, and CMAS are the agencies which I teach through, but NAUI, SDI, TDI, etc., are all valid, and I would recommend all to you. Here is a link to a video we made discussing all of the know agencies which you can learn to scuba dive from. th-cam.com/video/x968v6I5qIA/w-d-xo.html. Hope this answered your question.
Stress and rescue sir.
Well explained.
Thank You
Thank you for the great tutorials! Much appreciated.
Your Welcome. If you have any ideas for future topics, let us know.
my dad is master diver 🤿 & 7th dan in karate 🥋 he’s both 😜 he’s certified night driver advanced open water cavern diver rescue diver equipment specialist etc he loved cave diving he’s done a lot of caves in fl devil eye devil ear manatee springs troy swanie river gennie springs icetuckee to name of few ❤️
Hello beautifulchaos13, that is awesome to hear about your dad. Sounds like he has some great adventures.
Corrections:
1. SSI Divemaster does NOT require "Search and Recovery" as the video indicates.
2. SSI Divemaster requires 60 logged dives - not 50 as the video indicates
3. SSI Master Diver does NOT require "Advanced Adventurer" as the video indicates.
4. I think that comparing Master Diver to a black belt may be over-rating the the knowledge, ability, and skill level required to meet the minimum standards of naui, paid or ssi Master Diver. What Master Diver does mean is that the diver has gained some experience and knowledge that SHOULD result in increased abilities ...
TecDive Thank You for watching our video and commenting.
I think he missinterpreted "stress and rescue" with "search and recovery", you are right on everything.
Yeah, I think PADI is the one that only requires 50 dives, whereas SSI is a bit more hardcore.
PADI requires 60 dives for DM and the DM specific course (along with the other requisites).
@@LakeHickoryScuba you agree with the corrections? and the S&R interpretation as per @Darko's comment bellow?
Hello!!, thank you!! very useful video to understand the differences. However, I have a doubt related to Advance Open Water and the Specialities to get the Master Scuba Diver certification. I know that if I want to do the AOW, I have to choose 5 specialties (deep diving + navegation + other 3) but in the video you said that after AOW, I should do the rescue and another 4 specialties if I want to get the MAster Scuba Diver Certification. My question is, are these specialties different to the specialties I choose in the AOW certification? (sorry if my english is not good, is my second language)...thanks!
Great question. The first thing we have to do is to decide which agency you plan on learning through. In SSI Advanced Open Water Diver and Advanced Adventurer is 2 different certifications. The Advanced Adventurer is the equivalent to PADI's Advanced Open Water. Though not a complete Advanced Open Water Certification, but a great way to decide which specialties you may want to seek a certification in. PADI's Advanced Open Water and SSI's Advanced Adventurer is simply 5 additional dives after Open Water, which must include, 1 deep dive below 60ft, 1 Night or Limited Visibility Dive, 1 Navigation Dive, and 2 electives. For the full Advanced Open Water Certification through SSI (an actual free certification by the way), a diver must earn 4 full specialty certifications (which up to 2 can be from other agencies), chosen by the student, after their Open Water Certification, and must log a total of 24 dives. If a student has already completed the Advanced Adventurer Program or even PADI's Advanced Program, then he or she may earn credit for those 5 dives and apply them towards the chosen specialties. An example would be say if the diver wanted to complete his Deep Diver Certification, which takes a total of 3 dives, 1 to 60ft, 1 to 80ft, and 1 to 100 feet. If he has already completed the Advanced Adventurer Certification, then the 60ft dive is credited back to him, and he only has to complete 2 more deep dives, 1 to 80ft, and 1 to 100ft, to earn the Deep Diver Certification. The same would apply for the other 4 Adventure Dives he completed during Advanced Adventurer. For most divers who already know what specialties they want to pursue, they will skip Advanced Adventurer and jump straight into the specialties of their choice. If they are unable to decide, then they can use the Advanced Adventurer Course as a way to get their feet wet in different types of diving. This will also work with PADI specialties as well. Documentation signed by their instructor is key to proven they have completed said dives. In SSI, once a diver has logged 50 dives, has a total of 4 specialty certifications (4 of their choosing), completes the React Right Course (or equivalent), and earns the Stress and Rescue Certification (or equivalent) then he will be awarded the Master Diver Certification. In PADI, he must have a total of 5 PADI specific Specialty Certifications, a total of 50 dives, the Emergency First Response Certification (or equivalent), the Rescue Diver Certification (or equivalent), and then pay the Master Scuba Diver fee, and he will be issued a Master Scuba Diver Certification. Going back to SSI for a minute, SSI will allow up to 2 specialty certifications from other agencies, where PADI requires all of them be through them. Hope the answers your questions.
LakeHickoryScuba thank you for your answer. Now I understand how can I get the Master Diver in SSI, and what is the difference between full specialty and a "try" of specialty...very useful information.
Your Welcome. We plan on doing a video on this very topic very soon.
Hi Brian great video again.Im just about to start my Dive Master course with PADI.can you give me the prerequisites that I'm needing as some people tell me different specialty courses are needed and it's s bit confusing to what I essentially need Cheers
Hello sayittrue, as of 2019, the current PADI standards state that a diver must have the following pre-requisites to start the Divemaster program. A diver must have Openwater, Advanced Open Water, Rescue, First Air / CPR (called Emergency First Response), be 18 years old, have 40 dives logged to start the program (60 to complete the course), and you must also have a current medical with in the last 12 months. Hope this helps.
@@LakeHickoryScuba thanks I'm a certified Rescue Diver with PADI I was more or less thinking what specialtys I would need.so far I've got Nitrox navigation oxygen provider RNLI sea survival dsmb dry suit and 3 others that arnt what I call critical to divng more like for project aware stuff.i was thinking do I need search and recovery and deep diver?
Those specialties will definitely help out in one way shape or form, but are not required to start or complete the Divemaster program.
How does it work if I have mixed cert cards from SSI and PADI? Can I apply those specialties torwards both SSI DM or MD and vise versa or does it all have to one or the other?
+Chris Nininger Each agency has there own requirements. Being that we teach through both we sit down and explain in full detail to each student their options. PADI does require for the Master Scuba Diver certification that all specialties be PADI, but for Dive Master they can be any other agency's specialty. Now with SSI, for Master Scuba Diver, they will except up to 2 specialties from other agencies, and the rest must be SSI. For Dive Master, SSI like PADI will except any and all from other agencies. I would suggest sitting down with your local shop and have them show you the training standards for the agency they teach through and hopefully that will help you out in deciding what classes to take next.
Isn’t there a big learning gap between those two ? I’m SSI Master diver 🤙
Hello Vod, the biggest gap is learning the ways of a professional diver. Transitioning from a Master Diver to a Divemaster is all about learning the industry, learning how to lead and guide divers, and learning the first part to the methodology of teaching.
LakeHickoryScuba thank you for the answers 😊 I’m currently looking for a place for the internship I’m very interested and exited to do it soon. Also thank you for Sharon your
knowledge with us your videos are great 🤙
hi just don't understand where the free comes in to ssi diving compared to padi from my personal search they come out to about the same price..if I want any course in eather one I pay the course and get that certification .. adavance open water in padi is 400 Canadian and in ssi it is the same price .. or did I miss understand the answer you gave . sorry I am confused thanks john
Hey John, in short, once all requirements are met for the PADI Master Scuba Diver Certification, PADI charges an additional fee to earn the Master Scuba Diver Certification. With SSI, they will automatically generate the certification once all requirements are met, free of charge.
@@LakeHickoryScuba ohh ok wow cool . Ok sorry i didnt see that part of it . Thank you for your time . 👍 for your videos realy like them . And thankyou again
You're welcome, thank you for being a subscriber, it means the world to us.
Don't know about free but I have certs in SSI as well as PADI and what I like about SSI is you can go back and review all class material when you want you only have access for I think it was 2 years then its gone with my Rescue cert that is a big advantage
great video
Thank You
Why does PADI charge so much money to become a master scuba diver?
Hello Jess, unfortunately I don’t have an answer for that question. You will have to ask PADI.
Possibly
And when you're a Navy diver? :)
Great question, unfortunately, the civilian scuba industry and the Government does not quite see eye to eye. The good news though, certain agencies will allow direct crossovers for any certification you earned while in the military. These may sometimes apply towards a Master Scuba Diver Certification.
I have the same question about being trained as a commercial diver trained by an major college. I did all of those courses you spoke about over a one year period. I have been diving 30 years and want recognition for the work I've put in..how do I go about getting it?
Interesting. PADI requires 5 specialties, not 4. Either way, why stop there? I have 6 specialities plus my [PADI] divemaster cert but would do more if I had the time. The more you know, the better your dive experience becomes. SSI or PADI? Either way, get stuck in!
We agree, the more you know, the better you will be.
I really love your videos. You folks do amazing work, but you cannot become a Divemaster with 50 dives, you need 60 logged dives. I am a Master Diver and I am also a Divemaster.
Keep creating awesome videos, but you need to update this one.
Thank you for the kind words. You would be correct, the SSI training standards require a total of 60 dives to earn the SSI Divemaster Certification. The requirement for SSI Dive Guide is 50 dives. Thank you again for pointing this out.
Love your vids but master diver is nothing like a black belt.
Thanks for the love. For as long as I can remember, at least since the late 80's, the industry has always used that saying to help people understand what the Master Scuba Diver rating is all about, compared to the Divemaster rating. Once you have mastered the art of something, you earn a black belt. But to become an instructor, or Sensei, it takes a lot more. Let us know how you would describe the differences between the 2 ratings.
LakeHickoryScuba , On average, the dedicated student who attends classes twice a week, can expect to earn a black belt in about 5 years..... Our industry has watered down the process to the point a student can progress from beginner to instructor in just a few months... Now, back in the 70's or 80's the analogy might have been accurate. I no longer believe it is. IMHO
I think the point of the statement is simple. A Master Scuba Diver is someone who has been dedicated and earned the required certifications to qualify as a Master Scuba Diver / Black Belt, but hasn't had the methodology training to become a teacher / Divemaster / Instructor / Sensei. Try not to read too much into it. The watered down statement has been used a lot as well. In 1988, my first PADI Open Water course was 16 weeks long, 4 nights a week. Now a student can earn his certification in 2 days. So I understand your thought process in the matter. But technology and the learning ability of students now days is greater thanks to the technology. I believe we hold people back if we do not award them for being able to educate themselves by self study. I've never believed that online study has replaced the instructor, but has assisted him. People are smart, and can learn on their own. The Instructors job has shifted from just teaching to evaluating. Someone who is dedicated, educated, and open to never stop learning should never be punished by not allowing them to progress as fast as they possibly can, otherwise saying, some people are just naturals. I know a lot of great instructors who have been diving less than 5 years, some I have trained, and then ended up taking courses from as well. Just because I have been doing something longer than another diver, doesn't mean I can't learn from them. I have an open invite to any certified diver, to come for a free course, that they are already certified in, with in the agencies I teach for to compare to how they learned. The few that has taken the offer, realize, the agencies have not watered down the course but the individual instructor has. My courses, short or long, are just as intense and educational as mine was 30 years ago.
Did you actually do any research before you made this video?
The AA and AOW are two different things, and neither is required for either a Master Scuba Diver or a Divemaster but the AOW is automatically included and free within both the MSD and Divemaster ratings.
The Advanced Adventurer (AA) is a specialty package of the first dives of five different specialty programs.
The Advanced Open Water (AOW) requires completion of four complete specialty programs and having logged 24 dives.
From the SSI Standards that you’re literally holding in your hand in the video, “Adventure Dives are supervised experience dives only, and should not be confused with the Advanced Open Water Diver recognition rating.”
Also, the Divemaster rating requires 60 logged dives.
Hello nocalsteve, thanks for commenting.
There are too many “divemasters” with no real experience. It’s a joke.
Hello Kathy Weigel, sorry to hear that you have had bad experiences with "divemasters."
Isn’t there a big learning gap between those two ? I’m SSI Master diver 🤙
Hello Vod, the biggest gap is learning the ways of a professional diver. Transitioning from a Master Diver to a Divemaster is all about learning the industry, learning how to lead and guide divers, and learning the first part to the methodology of teaching.
Isn’t there a big learning gap between those two ? I’m SSI Master diver 🤙
Hello Vod, the biggest gap is learning the ways of a professional diver. Transitioning from a Master Diver to a Divemaster is all about learning the industry, learning how to lead and guide divers, and learning the first part to the methodology of teaching.