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@@codyhill9914 There were little difference in the races during the days that Talos walked the Earth. Much like Ysgramor's worldview. It was mostly just Elves and Men, along with the as yet undiscovered beastfolk.
To be fair the Snow Elves did start that fight. . .all because that Nord colony wouldn't hand over the magic nuke AKA The Eye of Magus. Things probably would've been fine if the Snow Elves hadn't gone Gollum on the Nords.
Man talks about how short and skinny Bretons are while showcasing the massive behemoth of a Breton Knight that manhandled the Nord hero in the same animated short lmao.
For a race known for questing knights and having tones of knightly orders I find it hard to believe that they are frail and weak, I think that misconception comes from the prevalence of mages in their culture
@@JerichoJulius0 of course the descend from the Nedes, but I do believe they are a sub-group of Bretons with more Nordic blood. If I have to guess, coming from young women captured for their rituals but used as slave labour and "breeding stock". As disgusting as it is to refer to a human being in such a way.
Every race in TES is hella racist, some are just more obvious about it than others. Ysgramor went on a literal genocide mission cause a band of elves sacked one city. His axe was literally engraved with the screaming head of an elf. Can't put this one entirely on the elves, buddy.
@@JShort89 seriously? Are you going to blame Ysgramor the way he reacted after the snow elves literally massacred elders, women, men and children in Saarthal? So, what you do expect him to do? To arrive begging pardon and asking for another alliance? Be realistic. The Snow Elves dealt a huge blow to the Atmorans in Saarthal, and therefore, Ysgramor and the Atmorans responded with triple damage, leading to the almost extinction of the Snow Elves. For me, that's poetic justice. In elder scrolls every race is racist, that's true. But most of the Nord's racial conflicts (and almost of all the human races) were sparked because of an elven race that mistreated them (Ayleids and Nedes, Left-handed Elves and Yokudans, Direnni and Bretons, Snow Elves and Atmorans).
@@JoseAlejandro-xc6fb I find elder scrolls a bit funny with how every race has done horrible things to the others and are incredibly racist but the one thing they aren’t is sexist. Honestly weird but also not?
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They are described as having “slightly pointed ears.” Hopefully their pointed ears are more prominent in ES6, because it seems to have been forgotten about.
@@kalyssiaseptemberyeah for example Bretons in Bangkorai who have intermarried with the local nedes are gonna be practically indistinguishable from any other human while one living under Direnni Rule is most likely gonna have more elven blood and have pointy ears
Bretons are dope. They got a medieval Europe but in elder scrolls vibe. Def hope they go into a more knightly full plate badass sort of direction. Also they should be taller lol, they a mix of eleven and human, shouldn't they be smaller than elves and taller than humans?
Several instances of similar yet different groups Inbreeding for generations due to discrimination and likely ran off by purist and racist (if modern sentiment in Nirn is similar to the past) to create new but small nomadic tribes or small villages out of common road ways does things to the physiology of the new lineage their Short statures are probably a keep over from scoliosis and hunchbacks being a common disability to the first Bretons the thing is while they are man and mer combined into 1 in order for the blood to self cleanse (don't really know another description) and become a new race likely lead to a lot of off shoots and orphans in breeding before colonies began to form from orphans and families who deal with extremist and purist would have eventually settled chances are most Bretons become known as well Bretons they have gone through several cycles of change from it all liekly the first of their kind looked different from the modern ones maybe more elfish or maybe even more of what we imagine most fantasy dwarves would look like short and stout with a keen intellect that just changed over the ages eventually getting taller as they became a distinct race
there are too many races of elves and humans in nirn, not impossible for a subset of these races to mix and twine in diff ways. i wouldn’t be surprised to learn that there are several different types of bretons based on what human and mer race combined. i mean we already have some evidence in skyrim where you see the forsworn, they are for sake of argument a different species of breton. at least from what i can tell… so far…
go's over all the downsides of the Breton proceeds to show two of the strongest Bretons we know of fighting each other. with the behemoth of a man in the ascended lord, and the breton representation of the vestige who is cursed with near immortality
There’s also a book in-game which described someone as “aging like a Breton”, and not in a positive context. It could be that Bretons might ironically live shorter lives or appear to age faster than others, despite having Mer ancestry.
The phrase that best describes Bretons is "the flame that burns twice as bright, lasts half as long." Meaning that while Bretons are magiallt gifted for a human race, they live the shortest lives of all other races (around 50-70) years on average.
in Skyrim they do have wrinkles even if you make them appear young as possible like the females have them forehead wrinkles lol so I could believe they appear to age faster
In reference to Sybille Stentor's vampirism, not her race. The only time he mentions her race is when he says Sybille's mastery of magic isn't something he would have expected even of a breton.
@@TheMetalAllfather there's none that outright states she's a vampire, but her vampirism is hinted at by several people in the Blue Palace. Odar, the chef, will say Sybille scares everyone to death though no one dares to admit it, and having never seen her actually eat, that her behaviour isn't normal. Ahtar, Solitude's executioner and prison warden, will say Sybille occasionally comes to the prisons looking for "volunteers" Melaran, the aforementioned Altmer, will all but outright admit to knowing her true nature. He will mention that she occasionally visits the dungeon and adds that Ahtar's axe isn't the worst way for a prisoner in Solitude to die, then quickly ends that topic by warning you against talking too loosely. He becomes the court wizard if she dies and he will say it was an interesting experience to move into her quarters, and also says the court is "free of her eccentricities". And, finally, he references her having been alive for a very long time and alludes to knowing her vampirism by telling the Dragonborn killing her can't have been an easy thing.
Seems to me like the lack of new elvish Blood is the cause for the disappearance of elvish traits. If you look around the map High Rock is surrounded by Human Realms. (except Orsinium, but well..)
@@joshuagross3151 Thought about that too, but if it was recessive, wouldn’t the elven genes have disappeared within a few Generations? The whole Breton thing started with a relatively small amount of Direnni thousands of years ago, so it Elven DNA is most likely dominant in order to form such a large population of Bretons in the 4th Era.
I question the rumors of Talos being a Breton very heavily. I get the feeling the last person Nords of the 2E would trust, much less be named Ysmir by the Greybeards. Would be a Breton fresh off the Banner wars for the throne. True Talos seemed to have a much greater knack for diplomacy than most Nords we've seen in TES. But there's also been more than a few exceptions to that besides Talos.
The rumours of him being a Breton came from the Underking, who was the deathless form of Tiber Septim's personal battlemage Zurin Arctus (and possibly a little bit of Ysmir Wulfharth, too), who claimed he was born in the fiefdom of Alcaire, which is in High Rock. This is in contrast with the pretty obviously more propagandistic story about him having come from Atmora.
@@deadknight1402 I feel like there is a point where a story becomes too detailed to be propaganda. There's also the fact that no Non-Nord Dragonborn has been named Ysmir, with last non-nord Dragonborn being the Emperor that bargained for the status.
@@deadknight1402 we know notes on racial phylogeny only applies to elven and men unions nd that when men breed together it acts just like it does in our world IMO tiber's mom was a breton and his father a nord hence how he can be from alcaire and have the name hjalti
Maybe it depends on different families being more on elven blood or human since khajits looks are also vastly different while being the same race maybe its like that but more family tree centered rather than the phases of the moons
I believe the Breton nobility were first formed based on who had the higher concentration of elven blood/elven-dominant features. If so then the noble lineages would be more elven-like in appearance with slightly more pointy ears, slightly leaner and maybe even more magically gifted than most commoners, and might thus even live shorter lives? Not too sure
Depends on if they're using the broken mechanics from their own games. Also depends on when in their lives you're looking, since the protagonist from 4 becomes the Sheogorath we see in 5... Not like beating a god is beyond the capabilities of the other protags (afterall, anybody seen Almalexia or Vivec lately?)
@@__jonbud______________________ Vehk and Ayem werent really gods. They stole divine power from Lorkhan's Heart, sure, but the Nerevarine removed that problem. And the Hero of Kvatch literally become Shegorath, a Daedric Prince. Even when they had their divine powers, the Tribunal weren't quite on the level of a Prince of Oblivion(Though Seht did manage to bring most of them together for a Pact). A Prince CANNOT be killed. It is literally impossible. Even Akatosh was only able to send Mehrunes Dagon back to the Deadlands. The closest we get to seeing a Daedra TRULY killed is in ESO, when your final enemy for the faction story(at least for the Pact and Covenant) traps you in Aetherius(The Far Shores for the DC, Sovngarde for the EP) and tries to kill you there, where your essence can't return to Coldharbour to revive you, but you kick their ass so its a non-issue. So yeah, if it came to a fight, Hero of Kvatch/Sheogorath wins by default. The Nerevarine and Vivec disappeared after TES3, supposedly on a trip to Akavir, the Last Dragonborn is strong, but not on the level of a Daedric Prince. The Agent from Daggerfall is...MIA? AFAIK they kinda just...disappeared after the Dragon Break, and one of the outcomes has their soul destroyed, so... I'm unsure about any of the others, so I'll leave the rest of them alone.
You do realize like 60% of Elven civilizations have been wiped out at this point? Snow Elves and Ayelids got absolutely squad wiped, Dwemer decided to piss off and become extra dimensional deities, Morrowind went kaboom, leaving the Dunmer on the ropes, The Orismer, Altmer, and Bosmer are the only three remaining elven civilizations left standing. The elves are in decline. And there doesn’t seem to be a way to reverse this
The lore states that Bretons are among the most feared battle mages to ever walk the plane of Nirn. The Elven characteristics may not be prominent but their blood is indeed that of the races of Mer.
@darthcycy two words: Unreliable Narator Every story you hear or read in the games is questionable unless you saw it yourself. The nords told stories of Talos Stormcrown who sailed to skyrim from Atmora where he was born (fun fact: Atmora in Elvish means Stormcrown, hence the name Talos Stormcrown.) But many believe he exaggerated and lied about his origins to gain favor and support from the Nords so that he could conquer Cyrodiil with thier assistance. Many in Highrovk tell stories of Hjalti Early-Beard, a Breton who would go onto build the legend of Tiber Septim and become emperor of Tamriel. Also, on a lessse note, the man behind a lot of the modern framework that makes up TES lore, Michael Kirkbride, wrote an unofficial ending to TES called C0DA and in it Kyne referes to Talos as a "Man-Mer" Excerpt from C0DA (Is NOT cannon at the moment but something interesting to consider): > **Jubal and Talos stare each other down, Kyne now close to the table, as her hawks fly off-screen.** > > **JUBAL-LUN-SUL:** Wrong response, Dragonborn. Faker. Half-beard. Borrower. VIRUS. > > [ . . . ] > > **KYNE:** Do you? Where then is the banner for apology? > > **JUBAL-LUN-SUL:** … > > **KYNE:** I think you should make it. And, as a wife, I would ask you to start with the manmer you called a ‘virus’.
Azidal wouldn’t enjoy the fact that humans merged with elves either seeing as his will for destroying the elves was pivotal against the snow elves. He’s the one that made it so 500 men could overtake a whole province. Brother literally was taught from many different Mer across Tamriel (including the Dwemer) just so he could exact revenge for his wife and child being lost in The Night of Tears, Saarthal’s ruin. Many of his unique relics was used to aid the 500 Companions and I wouldn’t doubt it if the enchantments on Wuuthrad and Ysgramor’s Shield were from Azidal. Side Note: Ysgramor having a two handed weapon AND a shield implies he could have been one handing Wuuthrad (ignoring the statues ofc)
I thought canonically Bretons aren't considered half-elves anymore. Bethesda yeeted that lore with Morrowind because it implied everything could be mixed, which meant they would have to make new Sub-Races, Models and Racial Abilities.
The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long Bretons are arguably the most gifted race in Tamriel but they also live the shortest lives (around 55-60).
He's the Ascendant Lord, the leader of a populist/terrorist movement trying to throw down the three factions and create a civilian(non nobility) government all over tamriel.(atleast on the surface that's what his motives are, I'm sure they're gonna ruin it and make him a power hungry despot, I haven't finished both areas the plot is in so I don't know 100%, just the surface level.)
In the elder scrolls series lifespan is linked to your race/species magical abilities & potential. Your individual abilities will simply increase what your peoples natural talents are inherently.
The big guy is called an Ascendant Lord who belongs to a cult that feels that no one should win the war of three alliances because a Tamriel without an Emperor is better than one with an Emperor. He is also one of those so called weakly Bretons in heavy armor wielding a two-handed bastard sword 🗡️ and literally beats down on an assassin, a mage, and a warrior. The three archetypical standing stones/ The representations of their respective alliance Champions.
my Breton Dragon Knight is OP and immortal. thats why we see the knight stomping the shit out of the warrior rouge and battle mage :D. and he wasnt even using mana. just basic swordsmanship.
Its important to note that bretons have since the time of talos and almost certainly before have had very close ties with their human neighbours leading to more interbreeding with that side of the genetic field. Meanwhile there's still some sour feelings over the inception of bretons and treatment from the elves leading to significantly less interbreeding. So over time the elven blood is getting thinner but its not genetics its social
Keeping in mind this is medieval times-esq and other than magics, thats still relatively more than your common, no medicine, plague ridden, commoner human lol Ive always liked playing Bretons in my runs, not sure why? Although they do seem to be evil in allot of lore 😅😅😅
Well yes I do believe their blood of a elf and nord does give them a bit more of a longer life expand but they are just smaller not much muscle but they do have better magic abilities and yes I do believe they can learn a little bit more better
this made me realize that the Bretons are mildly analogous to the wandering Ehlnofey, slowly losing the traits that tied them to their common ancestors
The Priest and Priestess of Mara in Riften are Imperial (I think he's Imperial. He might be Redguard) and Dunmer, and they're having a child. So it's fully possible for at least Man and Mer to have children together outside of the Breton race. However, they probably do have incredibly short lifespans compared to someone of pure blood. Now the question is, can elves interbreed? Altmer and Dunmer for example.
Ofcourse, look up Hlaalu Helseth, he was a dunmer with an imperial father and dunmer mother(Barenziah). It's a concept they even have books on in-game(racial phylogeny), but something they've rarely explored in an in-game sense.
The thing about mer and man blood rejecting each other just seems like Thalmor propaganda since mixed race offspring have been shown in the lore. Normally the racial traits of the mother being most dominant with some present from the father. The Bretons being what happens when this compounds over generations (i.e. first gen proto Bretons reproducing with other proto Bretons and mer), eventually creating a new race. The reason that mer traits would be disappearing in the modern times (in universe) would be Bretons intermingling more with the races of man than mer (due to things like geography and demographic shifts over the septem era). Diluting the mer blood within them over generations in the same process that created them to begin with. Races/ethnic groups (both in the elderscrolls and real life) are dynamic rather than static categories.
In Arena 1 and 2 (aka Arena and Daggerfall) it was suggested that Bretons have dragon blood as well. Makes sense since back in time they were under mer rule and there were dragons around. I plainly disklike Arena 5 and beyond lore changes.
I've read a theory that Bretons live as long as any of the other humans but, like elves, they age slower, like probably a 50 year old Breton can still look like in their 30s. Make sense since they still have elven blood no matter how diluted it is.
How long do Bretons live? Well. It depends. Most of the ones I’ve slaughtered with death metal shouts were in their 30s to 50s. They can’t handle my Bard’s singing; they shouldn’t mock me. Oh, and if you’re a certain Breton woman then you might REALLY consider thinking you can force me to kill Paarthurnax.
The most common legend suggests he was half Nord, half Breton. And considering the ghost at Old Hroldan called the MC "Hjalti," as in _"Hjalti Early-Beard,"_ it's probably the one most likely to be true.
he was born in a part of highrock that's far from skyrim I think his father was a nord and his mom a breton ... every pic of hjalti we have sitting down his feet doesn't touch the ground
@@mysticramen4104In fact, in the Q&A section of the book The Origin of Cyrus! they make it clear that the version of Talos being Hjalti Early-Beard, born in Alcaire, makes him a breton
“Short and with little muscle mass” *Shows a 7 foot Breton bodying a Nord in the background.* Also the fact that Bretons are just feudal Europe, I think that that bit isn’t true
It is more like this. The Bretons gain the physicality of man and the magical superiority of the elves. You may say the Gods blessed them twice, but the Gods didn't give them long enough to live.
I don't get how Bretons can exist when, according to Racial Phylogeny, a child will always be born the race of their mother. If that's true, then if a Nord and a high elf had a kid, the kid should either be a Nord or a high elf, depending on the race of the mother. So how do Bretons fit into all that?
According to lore, the average male Breton height is 5’8. Thats not short. That is the average male height in real life. lol Some may be shorter, some may be taller. Also, according to lore, many Breton youth aspire to be knights. That requires a bit of muscle and strength to be able to wear around heavy ass armor and swing a blade around effectively or hold up a shield. I would imagine the average Breton mage or peasant would be more frail though.
Thalmor: *Believes elves, Altmer specifically, are the better and chosen race* Bretons: *Their human DNA actively kicking the shit out of their Mer DNA* Wanna say that again knife ears?
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Pretty sure tiber septim was a nord
@@codyhill9914
There were little difference in the races during the days that Talos walked the Earth. Much like Ysgramor's worldview. It was mostly just Elves and Men, along with the as yet undiscovered beastfolk.
Ysgramor: "fuck them elves"
High Rock Nedes: "ok"
Ysgramor: "wait no-"
Omg xD
High Rock Nedes wouldn’t mind that honestly. Didn’t they hate the elves?
High Rock Nedes: They've been doing that too us
Didn't they end up getting fucked?
To be fair the Snow Elves did start that fight. . .all because that Nord colony wouldn't hand over the magic nuke AKA The Eye of Magus. Things probably would've been fine if the Snow Elves hadn't gone Gollum on the Nords.
Man talks about how short and skinny Bretons are while showcasing the massive behemoth of a Breton Knight that manhandled the Nord hero in the same animated short lmao.
that 'breton knight' are female altmer not even man
@@adeptusmechanicushyspasist3529source?
That Breton was a fucking king.
@@adeptusmechanicushyspasist3529 source?
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"They're frail and weak"
Meanwhile in the background Breton McHavel beating three dudes into a pulp simultaneously
Guess he's the lucky one who has *none* of those traits
That knight is half imperial-half breton. So not exactly a pure example of a Breton.
@@Ata.TeaGargleri mean he's not too tall but he certainly is not weak
Could it be possible that you could get both?
@celarc99 wouldn't that mean they're half imperial and 25% elf and nedes
Shows off the Most strongest, biggest and magically resistant Breton in the video.
Most strongest…
@@jonathanwells223 You ever see a Breton take out a MC Nord with a Punch. Most Strongest indeed.
@@brovusmarillian3303most strongerest**
@@friedtoads13mosterest the strongester
@@brovusmarillian3303Mosterest Strongerester
For a race known for questing knights and having tones of knightly orders I find it hard to believe that they are frail and weak, I think that misconception comes from the prevalence of mages in their culture
Also because they are like 5'5-5'7 but they clearly have that chimp strength about them since that half breton beat the life out of a Nord in seconds
Imagine one of them gets a recessive trait like elvish height and becomes an absolute magic resistant unit
@@tonyjames3541elven high and nord strength you have kratos at that point XD
Me who built a breton vampire lord battle mage who excels in magic and close quarter combat: :v
The Forsworn are mostly breaton and they are pretty strong could be from the hagravens or simply living wild lives.
But the average forsworn lifespan is notably short due to fucking around with the Dragonborn😂
I think they're only Bretons mechanically, rather than in lore.
@@SomeGuy-gc8zs reachmen are a lineage of Bretons
@@Yumao420I'm pretty sure they are descended from the Nedes. Bretons are also part Nedes but their mer blood makes them distinct from the Reachmen.
@@JerichoJulius0 of course the descend from the Nedes, but I do believe they are a sub-group of Bretons with more Nordic blood. If I have to guess, coming from young women captured for their rituals but used as slave labour and "breeding stock". As disgusting as it is to refer to a human being in such a way.
“It’s possible their elf blood is draining away”
*Pelinal liked that*
"Nature is healing"
Yes, yes I did
The only good place for elven blood is outside an elf's body
Delphine is in her 50s, and she looks like she's in her late 30s to early 40s.
Delphine is Nord though.
@@TheMetalAllfather no she's not, she is a Breton.
@@dilloncrowe1018...I'm like 90% sure she's a Nord, but I'll go fact check that real quick...
@@dilloncrowe1018No, she is a Breton. Weird.
@@ethanhostetler4007 I know, right?
She looks PRETTY healthy for someone who is reportedly on death's door.
Bro even thr mer blood itself is racist
Literally in their DNA, lmao.
Every race in TES is hella racist, some are just more obvious about it than others. Ysgramor went on a literal genocide mission cause a band of elves sacked one city. His axe was literally engraved with the screaming head of an elf. Can't put this one entirely on the elves, buddy.
@@JShort89 seriously? Are you going to blame Ysgramor the way he reacted after the snow elves literally massacred elders, women, men and children in Saarthal?
So, what you do expect him to do? To arrive begging pardon and asking for another alliance? Be realistic. The Snow Elves dealt a huge blow to the Atmorans in Saarthal, and therefore, Ysgramor and the Atmorans responded with triple damage, leading to the almost extinction of the Snow Elves. For me, that's poetic justice.
In elder scrolls every race is racist, that's true. But most of the Nord's racial conflicts (and almost of all the human races) were sparked because of an elven race that mistreated them (Ayleids and Nedes, Left-handed Elves and Yokudans, Direnni and Bretons, Snow Elves and Atmorans).
@@JoseAlejandro-xc6fb I find elder scrolls a bit funny with how every race has done horrible things to the others and are incredibly racist but the one thing they aren’t is sexist. Honestly weird but also not?
@@lyricmoore actually some races are sexist, but it's more demonstrated by the human races than the elven races
The skinny Bretons are that way because they use magic for all the basic activities. You have to use your muscles for them to grow.
Magic is the best muscle.
"The blood of Numenor is all but spent" - some fucking elves, probably.
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@@dontmindmeimjustsomerandom5261 It's said that Khajiit live about as long as humans do, iirc
Didn’t know Bretons used to have pointy ears
they did
They are described as having “slightly pointed ears.” Hopefully their pointed ears are more prominent in ES6, because it seems to have been forgotten about.
I think some still do but the amount of elven vs human traits in general vary from Breton to Breton
@@kalyssiaseptemberyeah for example Bretons in Bangkorai who have intermarried with the local nedes are gonna be practically indistinguishable from any other human while one living under Direnni Rule is most likely gonna have more elven blood and have pointy ears
Bretons are dope. They got a medieval Europe but in elder scrolls vibe. Def hope they go into a more knightly full plate badass sort of direction. Also they should be taller lol, they a mix of eleven and human, shouldn't they be smaller than elves and taller than humans?
Maybe it's the elven and human blood rejecting each other, creating overall less healthy people. Thus the short height and less muscles
Several instances of similar yet different groups Inbreeding for generations due to discrimination and likely ran off by purist and racist (if modern sentiment in Nirn is similar to the past) to create new but small nomadic tribes or small villages out of common road ways does things to the physiology of the new lineage their Short statures are probably a keep over from scoliosis and hunchbacks being a common disability to the first Bretons the thing is while they are man and mer combined into 1 in order for the blood to self cleanse (don't really know another description) and become a new race likely lead to a lot of off shoots and orphans in breeding before colonies began to form from orphans and families who deal with extremist and purist would have eventually settled chances are most Bretons become known as well Bretons they have gone through several cycles of change from it all liekly the first of their kind looked different from the modern ones maybe more elfish or maybe even more of what we imagine most fantasy dwarves would look like short and stout with a keen intellect that just changed over the ages eventually getting taller as they became a distinct race
there are too many races of elves and humans in nirn, not impossible for a subset of these races to mix and twine in diff ways. i wouldn’t be surprised to learn that there are several different types of bretons based on what human and mer race combined. i mean we already have some evidence in skyrim where you see the forsworn, they are for sake of argument a different species of breton. at least from what i can tell… so far…
^my point is, i think a orc and nord breton would just be unstoppable as a warrior class
@@Balls_on_Chin Forsworn are reachmen, they're actually alot closer to their original Nedic stock than the Bretons themselves.
go's over all the downsides of the Breton proceeds to show two of the strongest Bretons we know of fighting each other. with the behemoth of a man in the ascended lord, and the breton representation of the vestige who is cursed with near immortality
There’s also a book in-game which described someone as “aging like a Breton”, and not in a positive context. It could be that Bretons might ironically live shorter lives or appear to age faster than others, despite having Mer ancestry.
Wasn't that from the context of the Elves? I think the implication is that they live longer, but they don't age gracefully like elves.
The phrase that best describes Bretons is "the flame that burns twice as bright, lasts half as long." Meaning that while Bretons are magiallt gifted for a human race, they live the shortest lives of all other races (around 50-70) years on average.
in Skyrim they do have wrinkles even if you make them appear young as possible like the females have them forehead wrinkles lol so I could believe they appear to age faster
its just that their apperance is aging faster not the lifespan
An Altmer probably wrote that book lol
An Altmer Mage in Solitude seems to imply that Bretons live longer than other Men.
In reference to Sybille Stentor's vampirism, not her race. The only time he mentions her race is when he says Sybille's mastery of magic isn't something he would have expected even of a breton.
@@DominionSorcerer no one knows she's a vampire.
@@TheMetalAllfather there's none that outright states she's a vampire, but her vampirism is hinted at by several people in the Blue Palace. Odar, the chef, will say Sybille scares everyone to death though no one dares to admit it, and having never seen her actually eat, that her behaviour isn't normal.
Ahtar, Solitude's executioner and prison warden, will say Sybille occasionally comes to the prisons looking for "volunteers"
Melaran, the aforementioned Altmer, will all but outright admit to knowing her true nature. He will mention that she occasionally visits the dungeon and adds that Ahtar's axe isn't the worst way for a prisoner in Solitude to die, then quickly ends that topic by warning you against talking too loosely. He becomes the court wizard if she dies and he will say it was an interesting experience to move into her quarters, and also says the court is "free of her eccentricities". And, finally, he references her having been alive for a very long time and alludes to knowing her vampirism by telling the Dragonborn killing her can't have been an easy thing.
Breton Master Race!
I honestly love playing as bretons they're a good race for spellswords
Always pick a Breton, you won't be disappointed.
Always the first race I play in every TES game.
@@infinitybreak4459 almost all my playthroughs end up being a spellsword at some point. Its the most useful and balanced approach.
I prefer imperials but im playing as a breton heavy armor conjuration two handed for my first legendary playthrough right now
Seems to me like the lack of new elvish Blood is the cause for the disappearance of elvish traits.
If you look around the map High Rock is surrounded by Human Realms. (except Orsinium, but well..)
That or Aldmeri traits are recessive.
@@joshuagross3151 Thought about that too, but if it was recessive, wouldn’t the elven genes have disappeared within a few Generations?
The whole Breton thing started with a relatively small amount of Direnni thousands of years ago, so it Elven DNA is most likely dominant in order to form such a large population of Bretons in the 4th Era.
@@siggbert Not if the Nedic genes were also recessive. Then it would depend on the partner.
While they do live slightly longer the actual advantage is skill with magic that lets them extend their lifespans.
I question the rumors of Talos being a Breton very heavily.
I get the feeling the last person Nords of the 2E would trust, much less be named Ysmir by the Greybeards.
Would be a Breton fresh off the Banner wars for the throne.
True Talos seemed to have a much greater knack for diplomacy than most Nords we've seen in TES. But there's also been more than a few exceptions to that besides Talos.
The rumours of him being a Breton came from the Underking, who was the deathless form of Tiber Septim's personal battlemage Zurin Arctus (and possibly a little bit of Ysmir Wulfharth, too), who claimed he was born in the fiefdom of Alcaire, which is in High Rock. This is in contrast with the pretty obviously more propagandistic story about him having come from Atmora.
@@deadknight1402 I feel like there is a point where a story becomes too detailed to be propaganda.
There's also the fact that no Non-Nord Dragonborn has been named Ysmir, with last non-nord Dragonborn being the Emperor that bargained for the status.
@@Wolfs0n imperial history states cephorus II was the first non breton septim emperor
@@deadknight1402 we know notes on racial phylogeny only applies to elven and men unions nd that when men breed together it acts just like it does in our world IMO tiber's mom was a breton and his father a nord hence how he can be from alcaire and have the name hjalti
@@jadonderby2599 I assume you mean of Cyrodiil
Maybe it depends on different families being more on elven blood or human since khajits looks are also vastly different while being the same race maybe its like that but more family tree centered rather than the phases of the moons
I believe the Breton nobility were first formed based on who had the higher concentration of elven blood/elven-dominant features. If so then the noble lineages would be more elven-like in appearance with slightly more pointy ears, slightly leaner and maybe even more magically gifted than most commoners, and might thus even live shorter lives? Not too sure
*Laughs in Vampire Breton*
The coolest people in tes by far
up to 120 years exactly for male and 135 for female
how? won't they live for just 80-100 years?
Breton battle mage and Breton illusion assassin are my go-to play styles.
"As if the Elven and Human blood were to be fighting" The Humans and the Altmer will never change...
Let’s just appreciate that great sword twirl from the bottom of the handle😂 That takes some real strength
Tbf, Tiber Septim was a Dragonborn, so that probably helped him live a bit longer
That is my favorite race In the elder scrolls to this day
Had no idea Asmongold was a Breton.
If all TES protags had a free for all, Who's winning.
Depends on if they're using the broken mechanics from their own games. Also depends on when in their lives you're looking, since the protagonist from 4 becomes the Sheogorath we see in 5... Not like beating a god is beyond the capabilities of the other protags (afterall, anybody seen Almalexia or Vivec lately?)
At the hight of their potential in lore
@@__jonbud______________________ Vehk and Ayem werent really gods. They stole divine power from Lorkhan's Heart, sure, but the Nerevarine removed that problem. And the Hero of Kvatch literally become Shegorath, a Daedric Prince. Even when they had their divine powers, the Tribunal weren't quite on the level of a Prince of Oblivion(Though Seht did manage to bring most of them together for a Pact). A Prince CANNOT be killed. It is literally impossible. Even Akatosh was only able to send Mehrunes Dagon back to the Deadlands.
The closest we get to seeing a Daedra TRULY killed is in ESO, when your final enemy for the faction story(at least for the Pact and Covenant) traps you in Aetherius(The Far Shores for the DC, Sovngarde for the EP) and tries to kill you there, where your essence can't return to Coldharbour to revive you, but you kick their ass so its a non-issue.
So yeah, if it came to a fight, Hero of Kvatch/Sheogorath wins by default. The Nerevarine and Vivec disappeared after TES3, supposedly on a trip to Akavir, the Last Dragonborn is strong, but not on the level of a Daedric Prince. The Agent from Daggerfall is...MIA? AFAIK they kinda just...disappeared after the Dragon Break, and one of the outcomes has their soul destroyed, so...
I'm unsure about any of the others, so I'll leave the rest of them alone.
How did Sheogorath defeat Hircine?
@@JShort89 did TLDB mantle shor and is alduin a god of some sorts. When alduin eats the world does that include the daedra.
perhaps if another merethic era takes place they will start regaining some elven features?
Tis a solid theory honestly!
nice
That’s not how the merethic era works
You do realize like 60% of Elven civilizations have been wiped out at this point? Snow Elves and Ayelids got absolutely squad wiped, Dwemer decided to piss off and become extra dimensional deities, Morrowind went kaboom, leaving the Dunmer on the ropes, The Orismer, Altmer, and Bosmer are the only three remaining elven civilizations left standing. The elves are in decline. And there doesn’t seem to be a way to reverse this
@@manlyman2624 we get it, you play nord ok?
The lore states that Bretons are among the most feared battle mages to ever walk the plane of Nirn. The Elven characteristics may not be prominent but their blood is indeed that of the races of Mer.
Not really, the elven part of them really only serves to increase their magical abilities, they are a human race almost entirely.
it is quite literally the indomitable human spirit fighting the elf blood
This could be my problem I am a Breton felmale and also dragonborn Talos be with you
Tiber septim was a nord, this was pretty well established
@darthcycy two words:
Unreliable Narator
Every story you hear or read in the games is questionable unless you saw it yourself.
The nords told stories of Talos Stormcrown who sailed to skyrim from Atmora where he was born (fun fact: Atmora in Elvish means Stormcrown, hence the name Talos Stormcrown.) But many believe he exaggerated and lied about his origins to gain favor and support from the Nords so that he could conquer Cyrodiil with thier assistance.
Many in Highrovk tell stories of Hjalti Early-Beard, a Breton who would go onto build the legend of Tiber Septim and become emperor of Tamriel.
Also, on a lessse note, the man behind a lot of the modern framework that makes up TES lore, Michael Kirkbride, wrote an unofficial ending to TES called C0DA and in it Kyne referes to Talos as a "Man-Mer"
Excerpt from C0DA (Is NOT cannon at the moment but something interesting to consider):
> **Jubal and Talos stare each other down, Kyne now close to the table, as her hawks fly off-screen.**
>
> **JUBAL-LUN-SUL:** Wrong response, Dragonborn. Faker. Half-beard. Borrower. VIRUS.
>
> [ . . . ]
>
> **KYNE:** Do you? Where then is the banner for apology?
>
> **JUBAL-LUN-SUL:** …
>
> **KYNE:** I think you should make it. And, as a wife, I would ask you to start with the manmer you called a ‘virus’.
@@infinitybreak4459Atmora is "Elder Forest" in Aldmeris, it's the name Talos itself that means Stormcrown in Ehlnofex.
I heard that they’re substantially more man than mer due to things like Nordic incursions and there generally being less elves than humans.
Azidal wouldn’t enjoy the fact that humans merged with elves either seeing as his will for destroying the elves was pivotal against the snow elves. He’s the one that made it so 500 men could overtake a whole province. Brother literally was taught from many different Mer across Tamriel (including the Dwemer) just so he could exact revenge for his wife and child being lost in The Night of Tears, Saarthal’s ruin. Many of his unique relics was used to aid the 500 Companions and I wouldn’t doubt it if the enchantments on Wuuthrad and Ysgramor’s Shield were from Azidal.
Side Note: Ysgramor having a two handed weapon AND a shield implies he could have been one handing Wuuthrad (ignoring the statues ofc)
And let's not forget the absolute giant the Ascended Lord was😂
I thought canonically Bretons aren't considered half-elves anymore. Bethesda yeeted that lore with Morrowind because it implied everything could be mixed, which meant they would have to make new Sub-Races, Models and Racial Abilities.
They're just going to end up banging rocks in the reach going full ungabunga caveman mode
are you telling me bretons might have autoimmune disease
The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long
Bretons are arguably the most gifted race in Tamriel but they also live the shortest lives (around 55-60).
Had no idea Bretons were half elf man
I’m Always playing as a Breton. I make Black Breton characters religiously
Everybody knows Tiber was a Khajit.
Is there a background to the fight with the Breton knight in this TES Online trailer?
He's the Ascendant Lord, the leader of a populist/terrorist movement trying to throw down the three factions and create a civilian(non nobility) government all over tamriel.(atleast on the surface that's what his motives are, I'm sure they're gonna ruin it and make him a power hungry despot, I haven't finished both areas the plot is in so I don't know 100%, just the surface level.)
I thought he said Britains and I was like "damn they take over that too?"
In the elder scrolls series lifespan is linked to your race/species magical abilities & potential. Your individual abilities will simply increase what your peoples natural talents are inherently.
I would love if talos was a breton
Jagar Tharn was supposedly of elven and human parentage. But his actual past is a mystery in and out of game.
Long enough to taste all kinds of tea robb'd from th' colonies, boy
50-100 years if ya boi wasn’t a vampire 😎
Find that interesting considering the races of elves and man are decendents of the adrea
The big guy is called an Ascendant Lord who belongs to a cult that feels that no one should win the war of three alliances because a Tamriel without an Emperor is better than one with an Emperor.
He is also one of those so called weakly Bretons in heavy armor wielding a two-handed bastard sword 🗡️ and literally beats down on an assassin, a mage, and a warrior. The three archetypical standing stones/
The representations of their respective alliance Champions.
my Breton Dragon Knight is OP and immortal. thats why we see the knight stomping the shit out of the warrior rouge and battle mage :D. and he wasnt even using mana. just basic swordsmanship.
#Breton4life 😅
Its important to note that bretons have since the time of talos and almost certainly before have had very close ties with their human neighbours leading to more interbreeding with that side of the genetic field.
Meanwhile there's still some sour feelings over the inception of bretons and treatment from the elves leading to significantly less interbreeding.
So over time the elven blood is getting thinner but its not genetics its social
didn't even know Breton were half elf ngl
Keeping in mind this is medieval times-esq and other than magics, thats still relatively more than your common, no medicine, plague ridden, commoner human lol
Ive always liked playing Bretons in my runs, not sure why? Although they do seem to be evil in allot of lore 😅😅😅
No medicine beyond alchemy, healing and regenerative enchantments, you mean.
Because of eso I have had new respect for Bretons and khajit as I currently cant play a imperial my favorite race.
Well yes I do believe their blood of a elf and nord does give them a bit more of a longer life expand but they are just smaller not much muscle but they do have better magic abilities and yes I do believe they can learn a little bit more better
O personagem da capa ta parecendo o Trevor do GTA 5😄
I didn’t know I was half elf when I chose Breton in Skyrim. Good thing I didn’t join the Stormcloaks, I would have been racist against myself.
this made me realize that the Bretons are mildly analogous to the wandering Ehlnofey, slowly losing the traits that tied them to their common ancestors
The Priest and Priestess of Mara in Riften are Imperial (I think he's Imperial. He might be Redguard) and Dunmer, and they're having a child. So it's fully possible for at least Man and Mer to have children together outside of the Breton race.
However, they probably do have incredibly short lifespans compared to someone of pure blood. Now the question is, can elves interbreed? Altmer and Dunmer for example.
Ofcourse, look up Hlaalu Helseth, he was a dunmer with an imperial father and dunmer mother(Barenziah). It's a concept they even have books on in-game(racial phylogeny), but something they've rarely explored in an in-game sense.
Who cares about living long when you can live well and have fun? Plus that passive magic resist is OP.
They don't even have a semblance of pointed ears or any elven physical characteristics. The claim of them being "half-elves" in lore is dubious.
Could you do one for redgaurds
"How long do Britains live in elder scrolls"
The thing about mer and man blood rejecting each other just seems like Thalmor propaganda since mixed race offspring have been shown in the lore. Normally the racial traits of the mother being most dominant with some present from the father.
The Bretons being what happens when this compounds over generations (i.e. first gen proto Bretons reproducing with other proto Bretons and mer), eventually creating a new race.
The reason that mer traits would be disappearing in the modern times (in universe) would be Bretons intermingling more with the races of man than mer (due to things like geography and demographic shifts over the septem era). Diluting the mer blood within them over generations in the same process that created them to begin with.
Races/ethnic groups (both in the elderscrolls and real life) are dynamic rather than static categories.
Longer than you N'wah!
In Arena 1 and 2 (aka Arena and Daggerfall) it was suggested that Bretons have dragon blood as well. Makes sense since back in time they were under mer rule and there were dragons around. I plainly disklike Arena 5 and beyond lore changes.
I'd say its more of just a gamble of what genes the person gains
The French be evolving
I've read a theory that Bretons live as long as any of the other humans but, like elves, they age slower, like probably a 50 year old Breton can still look like in their 30s. Make sense since they still have elven blood no matter how diluted it is.
The lack of muscle doesn't appear to be unhealthy. They seem to just be lankier, like elves.
Well I know of a certain Breton who has the Essential status and just happens to be a Blade. . .and nobody seems to like her very much.
How long do Bretons live?
Well. It depends. Most of the ones I’ve slaughtered with death metal shouts were in their 30s to 50s. They can’t handle my Bard’s singing; they shouldn’t mock me. Oh, and if you’re a certain Breton woman then you might REALLY consider thinking you can force me to kill Paarthurnax.
Such an interesting race, due to be half and half.
I think they’re way more man than elf, over time they mixed with Nords and rarely elves diluting the original mix
Hey now Talos was definitely a Nord
The most common legend suggests he was half Nord, half Breton. And considering the ghost at Old Hroldan called the MC "Hjalti," as in _"Hjalti Early-Beard,"_ it's probably the one most likely to be true.
Man and mer can definitely procreate the chances of pregnancy is just lower.
And yet Dinya Bala (Dunmer) and Maramal (Reguard?) are having a baby…
Bro Sybille Stentor...
What a coincidence, I was just pondering about Breton life spans in conparison to the real-world humans
Tiber septim's real name was hjalti, and that clearly sounds like a nord name not a breton one
he was born in a part of highrock that's far from skyrim I think his father was a nord and his mom a breton ... every pic of hjalti we have sitting down his feet doesn't touch the ground
@@jadonderby2599he might have been born in high rock but still being a nord perfectly
@@mysticramen4104In fact, in the Q&A section of the book The Origin of Cyrus! they make it clear that the version of Talos being Hjalti Early-Beard, born in Alcaire, makes him a breton
Mine is a vampire soooooooo
Could live as long as most humans but age slowly than declines rapid ly near the end
I guss cause shes a vamp tho
“Short and with little muscle mass”
*Shows a 7 foot Breton bodying a Nord in the background.*
Also the fact that Bretons are just feudal Europe, I think that that bit isn’t true
Also Tiber Septum was a NORD! Saying he was a Breton is probably a Thalmor lie.
It is more like this. The Bretons gain the physicality of man and the magical superiority of the elves. You may say the Gods blessed them twice, but the Gods didn't give them long enough to live.
I don't get how Bretons can exist when, according to Racial Phylogeny, a child will always be born the race of their mother. If that's true, then if a Nord and a high elf had a kid, the kid should either be a Nord or a high elf, depending on the race of the mother. So how do Bretons fit into all that?
According to lore, the average male Breton height is 5’8.
Thats not short. That is the average male height in real life. lol
Some may be shorter, some may be taller.
Also, according to lore, many Breton youth aspire to be knights. That requires a bit of muscle and strength to be able to wear around heavy ass armor and swing a blade around effectively or hold up a shield.
I would imagine the average Breton mage or peasant would be more frail though.
Delphine is a Breton
Cool
They live until I shout them off a cliff for being in the Reach
Thalmor: *Believes elves, Altmer specifically, are the better and chosen race*
Bretons: *Their human DNA actively kicking the shit out of their Mer DNA*
Wanna say that again knife ears?