Final Thoughts on the WCW Stage! The Good, The Bad & The Ugly!
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- Final Thoughts on the WCW Stage! The Good, The Bad & The Ugly!
For All Your WWE Wrestling Figure Needs Make Sure You Visit www.ringsideco... and Use Discount Code KYLE to save 10%!
Patreon! / kylepeterson33
Pick up your very own See You Later! T Shirt and Support that Channel at:
www.prowrestlin...
For All Your Action Figure Needs and to Support the Chanel Use Entertainment Earth! Use My Link to Save 10% + Free Shipping over $59 ee.toys/KYLE or Use Discount Code KYLE
For All Your Action Figure Needs and to support the channel use Big Bad Toy Store! bit.ly/3unKhPH
For All Your Action Figure Needs hit up DJC Collectibles! Use Discount Code 8offDJC to save 8%! www.djccollect...
Intro Warrior Animation via @battle_stories_
If you would like to send me something to Review send it to me at:
Attention Kyle Peterson
2205 SE Creekview Drive
Ankeny, Iowa 50021
Don't Forget to Like Comment and Subscribe to the channel!
Patreon / kylepeterson33
Don’t Forget To Follow Me on Social Media
Twitter @Sirpaul64
Instagram the_kyle_peterson
#wwe #wcw #mattel #actionfigures #toys
Finally - a realistic, logical, sane take on this whole thing...as opposed to the ridiculous takes over at the most visited wrestling figure forum where the only thing would have made them happy would have been if this was $200, included 19 mid carders, a figure of the kid that hopped the rail at Bash at Beach 96 that got bodied by Nash and a WCW Nitro fanny pack.
But most people do think it was twice as expensive as it should have been. I mean, $400 is ridiculous, plus shipping and customs outside the USA. I think you can make a custom just as nice for that price.
This just needed to be priced appropriately at $250 no figures. Pretending like this really cost $400 and the 5 figures were a 'gift from your bestfriend Mattel' is beyond moronic, companies don't give charity the beans are all counted. Just like last years stage wasn't actually worth $250, they up sold you and threw in a couple of figures which were already paid for + more. Last year's stage was a $150 item without the figures, they tossed in a couple and got you for an extra $100.
End of the day they are price gouging, nobody said they shouldn't make money problem is they're greedy like most multi-billion dollar corporations. This one they tried to push it too far and the customer base wasn't willing to bend that far, to put this on the consumer over their own decision making is like just cringe shilling and Kyle is good at that, think hes sided with the corporation every single time one of these has ever been talked about how all of them have been priced appropriately how they're making the bare minimum margins and how ecstatic and thankful you should be! Super7, Hasbro, Mattel multiple projects each time the company has always had your best interest at heart! lol
A little sad. Unfortunately with the current economy, 400$ is a lot to justify for most people. Hoping Mattel isn’t rattled and still comes back with something next year.
I really think the Mattel team missed the opportunity to excite the fans with a hostile takeover theme with WCW banner painted NWO and showing Hall and Nash in jeans as a surprise unlock...💡
So 1,574,000 bucks wasn’t enough for Mattel to make the stage exclusively for the ones that Backed it?….. 😂
Nope
The guys at mattel can only blame themselves. I think most people are figure collectors so the stage is not needed. They should've just offered the stage on its own at a cheaper price and offer the figures separately for figure collectors.
The figures cost nothing though by comparison.... Plus initially there was only one included. The figs are basically window dressing. That's the truth...
_______
And IMO WCW is #NWO Thus [Not having] A shinny _"Hollywood"_ Hogan standing out front along w/ A Bischoff.. Or even A classic Green Robed Flair, Not having WCW Classics standing out front was A tone deaf descision. I.e. A WWF _"Golden Hero"_ Hogan (Which everyone already has) & Rey Mysterio ?? Nobody equates them w/ WCW.
This guy clearly didn’t take the time to watch the video.
I think you nailed it with many of the points you brought up. $400 right now for a luxury item isn't feasible right now for a lot of people, even more so for international buyers (with shipping, taxes, etc.).
The figure selection was pretty poor. Those Hogan, Mysterio & Warrior figures were pretty generic. And I don't know if people really wanted that version of Scott Steiner all that much either. DDP, I get. Your suggestion of Harlem Heat would've gotten people interested more, I think. If they offered DDP, Harlem Heat, Ric Flair & whoever else (maybe a Disco Inferno? just for more promotion and I don't think he's ever been made in figure form, I could be wrong).
I don't think doing WCW Nitro was smart either. RAW & Smack Down would've been my 1st & 2nd choice. See how they do, then go & do WCW. Heck, your idea of having WCW, then flip it around & have RAW, more than likely would've had the thing backed.
I like a diorama idea more, as they could do scenes w/ figures like Piper's Pit, The Barber Shop, The Snake Pit, etc. Who wouldn't want a diorama with a breakaway wall & a Shockmaster figure? Plus, they could possibly have these at retail, who knows.
We’re figure collectors,don’t want a stage. Give us smaller setups like “The Barbershop” and “Piper’s Pit” and maybe the “Brother Love” scenery or the “Snake Pit”
Wow I forgot about the "Snake Pit". Also don't forget the "Heartbreak Hotel" 😊
Kyle would you pay $800 for the stage? Because for me it would cost $800 living in Canada after tax and shipping .
I would but I’m in a financial position to not everyone is in that position.
Mattel is an American company. Sorry that the exchange rate and shipping cost sucks. But that's not Mattels fault.
@@Anddrew_ sure but they cant be surprised people cant or wont pay that. Even if I could afford that, I wouldnt based on principal.
@James Paul I'd probably be more upset that my country's dollar isn't worth as much. But sure be mad at the toy company..
@@Anddrew_ I agree it's not mattels fault. I'm just saying for international costumers it becomes unaffordable.
Kyle, would you tend to agree that this crowdfund was rushed from the get go? Do you think Mattel would have been better off if they announced a crowdfund start date a month in advance, and then built up to the big day announcing unlocks every week? Would essentially have given two months for people to get on board
Could be possible for sure
Such a shame! Just to clarify the international shipping situation (to Ireland at least) too. I checked out and the total was $435 (€388 at today's Exchanges Rate but it was €432 at the time) Customs and Excise Duty into Ireland would of been another €150 so almost €600 altogether.
With that in mind, I can definitely see why International backers balked a little at this one.
Could be wishful thinking but something tells me we haven't seen the end of this one just yet.
They could just do pipers pit with Roddy and Snuka. For $150. 👍
I'd be down for that 😊. Only problem is Snuka would be hard sell for some people.
I would like to see a Prime Time Wrestling Announcers stage with desk. Heenan and Monsoon included.
That would be fun. 🙂
Sorry Kyle, but Mattel didnt charge the real Vat & customs for european collectors..As Italian I should have paid 550 euros (616$), buuuuuuuuuuuuut the 26% Vat + shipping (30-35$ ?) is 540$ = 480 Euros. That's why international collectors didnt back the project, it was a kind of scam.
For new generation ring nobody paid customs cause Mattel sends all their products to Belgium, avoiding any customs. Tha'ts happened for new generation ring and all sdcc exclusives.
I figured $400 was too steep. 1/12 Fans are exhausted of $300-500 crowd funding campaigns. Way too many and the price points are way too high.
Sad, this was peak viewing for me. I know we won't get this again, hopefully something like it scaled down and cheaper. Should have started with Steiner not another Rey.
They released 4 figures that people already have loads of lol
Id be interested in seeing how much of your audience would spend 400 on any single item
I just spent 400+ on a new kitchen table I’m sure people do often
I think this will be looked back at as a major botch. But at a $400 price with so many possible negatives, it will be a lesson for all involved.
Fun video KP. But _say it isnt so.._ [Size] or "Space is at A premium." Not if you already have A Ring. If you got A Ring, you have the space for A stage.. Plus WCW is #NWO & not having A Shinny _"Hollywood"_ Hogan w/ A Bischoff & maybe A blond _"Big Sexy"_ (red ring gear) Kevin Nash standing out front of the stage- really hurt the project.. As did The cosmopolitan, ambivalent WWF Hogan (which everyone already has). It was A tone deaf descision. That came off as A cheap- slap in the face maneuver.
& I Think the Crowd Funding model is absolutely out of control. Most of this stuff should be on Store shelves. Or merchant Exclusive (Hasbro plus, Mattel Creations etc.). Especially most of the Hasbro stuff..
> Other than that, Thanks again. I threw ya A Sub (again) you earned it.. Hard Work!
Honestly, instead of a huge price point like this, scale it down to a more toy-etic model just to have something. Maybe we don't need working lights and something that takes up a ton of space. Smaller pieces could be better. I don't know, I'm no genius. I still say a War to Settle the Score Piper Ultimate Edition. I will pay for that. If people complain about this, watch thd movie Air. WWE is just one line of Mattel. They believe in what they are doing and need their bosses about their ideas. In the big picture, this stuff doesn't matter. It is just a little enjoyment we can get from this wicked world we live in. Good video, Kyle.
You're right about going in a different direction with something smaller. Personally, I would love a SmackDown era APA bar/pool hall. I remember playing No Mercy and fighting backstage at the bar. Have a breakaway pool table and other accessories like pool sticks, bottles, etc. And something like that can work with other figure lines. But yeah, let's see where we go from here.
People just don't have $400 to drop on a toy wrestling ring. That's the reality of it. The value just wasn't there. It might have succeeded at $300, but honestly even then I'm not certain. I hope the Ultimate Scott Steiner gets a release.
Ring is only 150 and comes with bischoff
@@KylePeterson1980 Mispoke, I meant stage, not ring.
Man this is a huge bummer. I loved this stage. I cant believe we missed out on something so amazing.
I think it mostly failed because of the price. If it were 300 I think it would've funded and also with 5 days left they should've thrown another figure in the 5,000. I just hope they now go to smaller project.
The figures should've been better. The hogan, Rey, and Scott looked like elites. I think booker, bash at the beach nwo, maybe a wcw macho man debut
At 300 Mattel does not get an ROI They are not going to lose $ by choice
@@KylePeterson1980 so how about 300 and make it a foot smaller each way.
@@KylePeterson1980 also don't remember if they did. But the figures should've been displayed complete with accessories at the wrestlemania store all you guys went to
@@davidthanos then everyone complains it's not to scale 🤦🏻♂️
@@Metfanant1 true. You can't please everyone
"Big time names", wrong attires.
DDP in a repaint as an ultimate, Hogan in an attire similar to his Amazon exclusive. Warrior in jeans? And remember when ppl were tired of all the Rey figures before he left for a few years? We're no asking for obscure names but damn these attires were questionable.
I'll be honest with yall like myself I am collecter too but with this crowd funding thing I tbh I really was wasn't interested in stage I'm more interested for figures just on em own (imo) bcs I haven't the space for the stage/rings plus I have only got 2 shelfs full of figs that I have bought and opened and placed on shelf
Lastly hope all what have said makes sense to you and everyone.
Great breakdown, Kyle. I didn't back the stage and if you told me even 3 or 4 months ago that I didn't I wouldn't have believed it. This is my sweet spot. It's just that the reality set in that I didn't have the room for this, to truly enjoy it, so then I'm spending $400+ and not getting the return on my investment. Nothing negative against Mattel. I think they did right by us for the most part. I would have preferred Booker T and Eddy Guerrero figures over Hogan and Warrior but that's me. Obviously names like Mortis or Glacier are silly but Booker and even Eddy are icons of that era. As for going forward I think you hit the nail on the head that people want figures. In general when it comes to wrestling collectors we want figures much more than stages and playsets. It's not like Star Wars with ships or GI Joe where the tank was a huge success. So I agree with you on some form of a playset/theme but with an emphasis on figures. I still think your original idea of Hell in a Cell could work but I don't know if Mattel would take the chance.
Wasn't a WCW kid so this didn't resonate with me. My mindset on the last new gen crowd funder was ill buy it to support the cause in hopes of something I am more interested in (like the SD fist). $400 was just to steep for me to support the cause.
Did we need a 4th ultimate of hogan ,a third ultimate warrior and a 2nd Rey ? Probably not !! Cause anyone who’s is collecting a $400 stage , probably already has every figure and would prefer someone different … but that being said you could have still flipped the hogan and warrior and 2nd rey mysterio got 300$ and a giant stage for 100$ which is a great buy …. I think it just came down to space to display, and tuff times economically
Give me all the warriors
I will only drop that sort of money if they have a payment plan. No way in hell im giving someone $400 up front and waiting over a year. Also i dont live in the USA so our dollar is weak compared to the US dollar so with taxes and shipping costs me twice what it costs an American collector so it was a very easy pass for me.
A few payment plans were available for this I think 36$ a month was cheapest available that i saw
Just too rich for my blood. Would have been nice but even if I had the funds, don't have the room. Hope Big Poppa gets another chance to get on our shelves.
I think what they should do is go back to just figures first time in the line ultimates. Maybe a 4 pack of surprise signings. Or and personally I like this idea, hyper realistic looking figures, I mean like hot toys realistic. Keep them in ultimate size but make the head sculpts extremely detailed. Really well made cloth goods. If they did the hot toys kind of sculpts it would be a first. All kinds of movie and comics versions but I have never seen wrestling ones. Just a thought and an idea.
Price and scarce promotion killed
That was great vid on what happened and why the stage didn’t get funded. It explained a lot in the business as well. I enjoyed it.
As I have said. They didn't bring people along the journey. Should of had the wars figures last year. Then the ring. Lastly the stage. Instead they went attitude figures. Then ring. And possibly next year stage? When that line is done. They bounced around to much. I did back one, because I know a lot of people that wanted it. It just wasn't properly thought out.
Finally!! A youtuber that isn’t living in la la land. Not crying about how much things cost. Corporations, companies, businesses are in it to make money. Everyone that works is in it to make money. Thank you Kyle for setting these whiny delusional entitlement man babies straight. Everybody thinks their ideas would have “funded” this. Yet not one of them is involved in anything worth selling. Big thumbs up.
I really like the Rey and Scott Ultimate, but I wasn't about to drop $400 for just those two figures when I don't want the stage
Not having the available talent like Sting, Flair, Giant, Jericho and even Dean Malenko didn't help either. Is there any reason now for Mattel to release the Nitro ring that the crowdfund failed?
Guessing it’s well on its way to being produced. They do still have the Monday night wars line coming though
@@KylePeterson1980 true. I only want the Bischoff which would have been great for the Monday night wars line.
The mistake was choosing WCW. They should have chosen RAW.
If they won’t pay 400$ here they are probably not paying 600$ for Raw I’d imagine
@@KylePeterson1980 I would have. I guess we will never know for sure.
@@soulphenomenon575 i dont know if many would tbh. I love wrestling figures but 400 plus shipping to uk would be insane .
...constant learning - constant improvement .. sounds familiar Mr. Exec .. but you left out a few ... CONSTANT Feedback is another.. and that is what you have here .. Feedback sir, Feedback (for better or worse) from the toy collecting community. That circle, so everyone knows is a tenant of business .. and a foundation of business practice/ management (1.PLAN, 2. DO, 3.CHECK/Measure/ Feedback, 4.ACT). IMO companies that learn and then REFINE and try again are the most successful .. companies that don't innovate or learn and then sit on "well that didn't work ..lets not learn form that and never try anything like that again" ... may not fail but may never reach their full potential .. I hope MATTEL LEARNS from this "L".
How bout all the pre-orders they hit us with when they’re trying to sell the stage
Good video. I like when businessman Kyle talks about businesses (or the government) tying up your money to use for their own gain.
For the international shipping Mattel didn't take on the customs charges last time around, I got stung on both my New Gen sets, £70 each.
The price was more than it would have been to buy in US$ and then pay shipping and the custom charges separately. They could have shipped to the UK Offices directly from the manufacturer and then billed the UK purchasers (and europe for that matter) for whatever the postage was there. Still would have been cheaper
A debuting Scott Hall in jeans and a jean vest instead of a Hogan or Mysterio, that would have been awesome.
Coming to Walmart
Great in-depth video,
I only collect figures so was not going to have it, you were right about all negative comments. I didn't want it but I'm not gonna put negative comments and discorouge people not to get it
Kyle with the knowledge. I’ve said it before but videos like this should be mandatory viewing for people before spewing their uneducated hate on social media. Nice job sir!
1. As you said, the figures weren’t enough to get MOC collectors interested. Why wasn’t it just the NWO? Even another Flair is more toyetic than this Hogan, Rey or Warrior
2. The fact you can break it down doesn’t offset the size issue, cos I’m not getting my moneys worth if half the set is in storage
3. It was just more trouble than it was worth for international collectors. I may have gotten the Steiner fig from ringside if it had been made, but currency conversions, shipping fees, customs fees up front, and no option to pay in instalments - they made it so hard. I’d love to know the ratio of international backers compared to the New Gen ring.
Hey Kyle thanks for your thoughts & in depth chat about de stage. As always a pleasure to tune into your channel keep up de good work Bruv 👊🏻
I think you made a really good point about nostalgia and it taking about 30 years for the kick in.
I thought it was 20 years?🤔
I think the point was that they made a mistake by charging international customers upfront for customs charges - an ironic drawback from now having a uk based mattel creations site. The price would have been 25% or more lower without the customs charges added and mentally would have been an easier pill to swallow - even though the charges would eventually need to be paid on receipt
I like everything you pointed out. For me the problem was the size & the fig selection. I don't think this is a L but a learning curve for Mattel. We dont want Stages & rigns because they take up too much space. Ultimate completist like me want every wrestler in their iconic attires. Also for WCW project how can you not have the biggest names NWO & Ric Flair?
My reasons rank:
1. Size
2. Fig selection
3. Attire selection
4. Price
5. Marketing was late
6. Presentation not full from start
7. International cost
Just do made to order...this way the people who really want and can afford it will get it..instead of punishing those who backed it
Problem is they need to make a certain amount of buys to justify the price. Which is probably where the 5k figure came from
people mostly remember nitro for when they all started throwing trash in the ring at the end of every episode
As expensive as an Xbox in Canada
I would have like more deeper Nitro cuts & less Mysterio.
Something like either..
Harlem Heat, Steiner brothers, a Nitro girl (Kimberley), nWo Eric Bischoff, Kiss Demon, Scott Hall (Nitro debut), Lex Luger (debut in white shirt), Ric Flair (horsemen), Surfer Sting, The Giant, Morpheus, Jericho, Konan, Raven or someone from the Flock.
I talked about why these were not possible in this video though
@@KylePeterson1980
Giving it a watch, it makes sense with licensing & what not. My list wasn't realistic and more wishful thinking.
Agree with your take on Pasta Hogan/Harlem heat.
Awsome vid Kyle 👍
A great analysis on this project.
I truly think this was just a mistimed project. We are borderline in a recession in the US and people weren't ready to drop $400, even if that is a justified price point.
Also, they would have been wise to take more time to secure other wrestlers licenses and wait out Sting's AEW contract. An Ultimate Sting with maybe a few newly secured WCW wrestlers would have no doubt pushed this to 5K.
Probably the most detailed presentation I’ve seen about this… Hasbro and Mattel are making the same mistakes with these failed crowdfunding projects. My question is, why didn’t they identify these issues you mentioned prior to attempting this? Do they not “war game” these potential problems?
Where did you get your MBA at? Wharton? Harvard? Stanford? Great analysis!
Kyle, you should work for Mattel lol. You did a great job covering both sides of the coin. And all though I may disagree with the way you tackled the “it’s a business” talking point (since this is where it gets deeper to me,since this is a conversation about why capitalism sucks - and not toys) - I appreciate the fact that at the end of the day you do acknowledge the fact that people are struggling, and this is a BIG ask, and it wasn’t presented in the right way. Period.
I say that to say, as a person who honestly avoided watching some of your videos just due being a hater honestly - you’ve gained a fan in me. And I will continue to watch this channel and support it after watching this video, strictly because you showed humility, and objectivity in this one in a major way. Even if I disagree with some of what you said, I appreciate you. Much love.
ElbowPads|Knee Pads|Taped Wrists|MMA Style Gloves
Don't even know where I'm living in a year ....if I did I would have backed it
Price (for me anyway being international).. I just dont think a lot of people can afford that for action figures. Of course some can but I couldnt justify it. id have loved the super 7 turtle van but that was a similar thing for me. And even worse in UK we have VAT charges in addition to shipping
I tried backing but they wouldn’t accept AmEx or PayPal. My two online payment methods.
Personally, i didn’t back it because i more so collect figures. I try/tend to stay away from large items such as vehicles and in this case, stages. Also, I’m an on card collector so the last thing I’m going to be doing is breaking them out of their packaging which in this case would be the only reason to buy this stage, for me Atleast. If i was going to buy this stage, it would be to set it up with a ring and the whole shebang with the figures and what not. Since I’m not going to do that, i didn’t feel the need or desire to have this product. Now i understand that it came with figures and that more figures would be unlocked as the project gets more support. A lot of people were telling me i could buy the ring and sell it when it comes in and keep the figures. That’s also another good point, but I’m just not that kind of person. I don’t collect to resell. Some can see that as a downfall of mine, but i just collect because of nostalgia, or being a fan of a certain product, or character, or style of product, or wave in particular. I don’t look at it as a way to make money cause then it’s not really as fun. Of course it’s nice for your collection to have/hold some value, but if i don’t have a purpose for it in the scope of how i collect, then I’m not really too interested. Plus at that $400 price point, wether it’s worth it or not, is just a little too strong for me and a lot of people. I’d personally rather spend $400 on like 10 figures than a stage and possibly getting a couple of figures. I’m not spending money at that clip on figures or collectibles at all and if i did, it would be relegated to a select few vintage items that are grails for me.
I really didn't see the value in getting the stage.
It was huge. And i really didn't have a place to put it. 😞
I would rather have a smaller stage, with a ring.
$400 is pretty stiff for just a stage.
Always appreciate the business talk. I’m not really into wrestling, but I like to hear what’s going on in other parts of the toy world.
How much do you think it costs for Mattel to make the stage and each fig ? Any idea?
That Raw Stage is ridiculous in size
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas!!! A lot of ifs in the comments great video a lot of great information.
I'd say it was a case of more people saving their money with uncertainty right now in the world.
I don’t think we took an L per say. Collectors just showed Mattel that for something like this to get backed, the figure choices have to kill it. People would be willing to buy the stage for a high price if we got 5 lights out figures. When the figures are just dull repaints, no one wants to pay 400 for a stage.
I really loved WCW and would switch back and forth during Monday nights during commercials, but always preferred Nitro. At first I told myself I would buy one if we got close enough to push it over the edge. Then I had to be honest with myself and ask “why am I not jumping at this” and my answer was because they lost. The truth is I history they lost, WWE won and in turn all of the characters I may miss or be nostalgic over ended up under the WWE banner anyways. So if I am going to find the space and money for an arena it would have to be WWE, especially since I have the Raw ring etc. I do love the WCW Warrior, but that can be done under WWE as well. Very well done and intelligent video as always! I’ll also add day 1 and 2, hell maybe the first week; I kept wanting to hit the button and the excitement was there, but I didn’t have enough information and it was kind of drip fed. Most of the best info came out at Wrestlmania from content creators.
Great video and you made some valid points that I thought a couple times reading the negative feed backs and also valid points in Mattel's failure with this project.
Me personally I preferred this stage to the raw one and it sucks we won't be getting it especially with whole waves dedicated to the MNWs coming up and knowing the raw one was probably next. Just makes that stuff feel hollow and missing something. This was truly a special piece and once in a life time for me it really sucks because that hit me in the nostalgia feels and was a dream set up for me even if I don't have the room.
Overall Mattel Definitely failed with marketing and telling us all the information about it and packaging. Great insightful video. Missing this definitely stings
01 vs 01| 02 vs 02|03 vs 03|04 vs 04 | One vs One | Two vs Two | Three vs Three | Four vs Four Basic Stuff
Always enjoy watching your reviews, brother Kyle. I really need Scott Steiner for my nWo collection. I'll take an Elite. Doesn't have to be a UE.
That Black Flag / Four Horsemen Mashup....very very nice.
I spend way too much time watching wrestling figure videos including some toy news on this channel and didnt even know this was a thing. Now 400? I mean I was really excited for this at first (2 days ago) but what would I really need this for, for that price.
They should have added the icons of WCW, like Sting, Robocop, David Arquette, and the KISS Demon. I would have been there all day. Maybe a complete set of the Nitro Girls too? 😜
Don’t forget Chucky
Throw in Jimmy King from ready to rumble and you got an amazing crowdfunder there 😂
The Yetiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Where did you get that Four Horsemen shirt?! Love it!
Timing killed this project out of the gate.
No question the entrance stage is a work of art and would have been great to have but I have an idea what happened.
Wrestle mania weekend, sneak previews of up coming figures, ie the elite Monday Night wars figures, ( Scott hall, Hollywood Hogan, Easy E w/nitro ring)
They should have 1. Made these Ultimates and included them instead of the ones they did.
2. Crowd fund th e stage, AFTER the release of Monday night wars figures
This project had no momentum, too little too late.
I have a vintange EL LUSHISHADORES WRESTLER
So refreshing to see a logical review. After seeing it in person at the SuperStore, I'm really disappointed this didn't get funded. I felt after seeing it in action, I didn't really care about the figures as much as I wanted the stage. I felt it was perfectly priced but if it was $50-$75 less that would be sweet spot moving forward. However this feels like a huge L in Mattel's marketing. No shots at Steve and the Team but this from the jump was marketed so poorly. They should have unveiled the Monday Night Wars line and the future ultimates and THEN unveil this as the major piece or the end-goal result for the line. The crammed marketing push from Wednesday to Friday felt desperate in the end, when this should have been mega pushed from the jump. As an early backer, they didn't reward us for doing that! They just slapped another figure in, in hopes it got funded. That felt like a huge slap in the face as an early backer. The figure offering NEEDS to be better going forward. 2 crowdfunders and both had to be adjusted mid-fund. They've set the precedent that if you just wait they'll offer more. Tier 1 unlock needs to include at minimum 3 figures and 1 of the 3 could be a early backer bonus. Hopefully crowdfunders are not dead forever but damn this is disappointing for not only the collectors but even bigger disappointment for the team.
If my calculations are correct they needed to do $2 mil in sales to fund this thing with just the 2 figures.. soooo why wouldn't you make the minimum 10,000 backers at $250.. cause i wouldn't of hesitated at that price and i wouldn't of even needed the figs guaranteed at the minimum tier!
How do you know how much it costs them to make the stage mould?
@@jamespaul6315 just guesstimating, 5,000 backers required at 400 a pop that's 2 mil, also take into account they were also trying make a profit so it's actually less than that, but I want them to make money still so instead of doing half and saying why not 10,000 for $200 I said $250 and that'll get em 2.5 mil
I love wcw and this stage but $400 is too much money
Lots of trying to justufy clear screw ups by mattel that led to failure. In the end it failed because it was poorly thought out and over priced. The customers spoke and said no that falls directly on the teams shoulders.
Did you watch the video 😂
@Kyle Peterson if I didn't I wouldn't have commented.
@@EdwinAces i dont think hes justifying screw ups, hes just explaining why he thinks it didnt work out . He knows his stuff and everything he said makes sense.
Yup that DDP to taped ribs? That Rey could of been the purple suit the hogan could of been better and they show the figs wothout everything on them in the pictures? Could fcdid LWO Eddie and yes pasta maina
Alot of us older dudes wanted the WCW Nitro stage,but there is alot more ppl that would be on board with a Ruthless Aggression and Ruthless Aggression Ultimates..But personally id rather have had my WCW or an Attitude stage..💯
Great video Kyle!!!
I’m strictly a WWE Attitude Era guy and a big 90’s Undertaker and Kane 97-2003 fan. Only Wrestlers from WCW I liked was Sting, Booker T, and NWO.
If Mattel had the license of Sting, I would’ve funded it however, it didn’t hit that spot for me
I feel like the whole crowdfund divided people
They always do
What a bummer. The stage was beautiful. Oh well. There will always be new awesome things to buy at least. Hopefully!
I'm both disappointed and glad this didn't get funded. Disappointed b/c this would have been cool, but also glad b/c I dont have the cash or space for something like this. However I'm hoping we can at least see those figures get a release. I would love for that WCW Ultimate Warrior to be part of my collection in the future as well as the others :)
We may get that Warrior and others as an elite down the road but not ultimate is what Mattel said about these figures
@@KylePeterson1980 I'd be fine with them just being Elites b/c the concept of these figures would still make it into fore wishing.
@@KylePeterson1980 Also Kyle, I will 100% tell anyone it was a great idea to start off the Ultimate figure line with the Ultimate Warrior. However and idk if you agree, but I still think it was a bizarre choice to go with WCW Warrior as the first Warrior in the Ultimate line and not something like the WrestleMania VI version.
If I can offer just a few thoughts, for those interested in such things, this is not directed at Kyle but inspired by his commentary:
If this ring wasn't for the casual fan, why are we hinging the figure choices on who would appeal to the casuals?
Kyle correctly point out that Mattel is in this to make money, and I don't disagree with that, but if you solicit a toy you don't produce, you leave money on the table. Let ne be specific for international collectors: you're asking them to spend damned near double, all upfront. If you can't give them a layaway payment plan, or just eat the customs costs, you cut them out completely. If you don't think that was a factor in the failure to fund, you're not paying attention.
WCW was the house that Sting built. If they couldn't or wouldn't get a real in place between WWE and AEW to get a Sting figure for this, they were never serious to begin with. But in an overall, the figure add ons were largely terrible. In the Ultimates, we've had 2 Hogans and a Rey quite recently, these were nor serious add ons. I know Kyle name dropped Mortis, and Booker T as potential names, and I don't disagree with either of those BUT the entire lineup should have been guys that were either WCW started, or WCW staples. Lex Luger, Buff Bagwell, Rick Steiner to go with Scotty, there's a long list there... you could have gotten a lot of traction with a Scott Hall memorial figure.
The idea of mold re-use is often cited as a huge cost in action figures, and it's not nothing, but it's also not everything. Molds are really expensive, but they're also steel, and in action figures, they can push hundreds of thousands of units through. The idea that a 5 ton slab is steel wears it after 4 thousand units is laughably naive. The action figure industry isn't that fundamentally different today, when a mainline toy pushes 30K, 40K units, as it was when Castle Grayskull sold like 350K units. What makes some toys expensive now is the size of the mold, an action figure, for example, is a smaller mold, even with all those tiny parts, than a mold would be for something like Castle Grayskull, where huge slabs of plastic need even larger slabs of steel to hold them... but this stage didn't have huge panels, it had several smaller panels, and scaffolding they should already have molds for. This should not have been enormously expensive. Kyle writes a few times a 150 price tag, no, definitely not, but if I look at like some of the 1/10 scale doll houses out there, they're larger than this would have been in and the 180 to 200 dollar price points, and they're often carved wood panels. And yes, the lights add cost but again, if you craft with those LEDs, the programming is free, the Arduino interface could range between 50 and 100 bucks, so maybe 300 bucks? Maybe? Between 250 and 350 would have been believable, I think, but then it's on the marketing team to convince people of that.
And to that end "why would Mattel price gouge?" Because they can. Because they're hiding behind inflation that no one less ever things are worth anymore, so they think they can charge anything they like for a bespoke piece. Because not taking it to retail means they can ask us for a premium price where Walmart or Target would have forced their price point down so they had room to sell it with a cut for themselves, but they'd have moved 10 times as many units. Just looking at what Mattwl charges for their in store rings vs the crowd funded ring, it wasn't worth the "collector grade" surcharge, and we don't perceive this to be either. I love hearing from toy makers how the ghost of oil has gone up, the ghost of steel has gone up, the cost of plastic has gone up, expect that when you look at commodity prices, they're not that high. Like fun fact, when the MOTUC Castle Grayskull came out, steel proved were half what they were in 1982, when the original Castle was made, oil prices were down nearly 40%... yet the Castle needed to be 6 times as much. Now, it was bigger, and the paint was nicer, but 6 times bigger, 6 times better paint? Nah. Companies don't charge what an item costs to make, they charge what they think the market will bear for the good or service they're offering. Look no further than their shareholder meetings. Boy's toys sales are down from 2022, 2021, but profits are up. The only way that works mathematically is price gouging.
I feel like a lot of people who were detractors of the stage or crowd funding in general could learn a thing or two from this discussion. I felt the business talk was spot on. Great stuff.
It seems most collectors didn’t want to gamble and risk only getting Steiner and Mysterio for $400. I have to wonder if they ditched the tiers and just said “9,000 backers and you get a stage and 4 figures” - and left it at that - if it would’ve funded.
Will never know but we do know people would still complain no matter what happens.
@@KylePeterson1980 if people were as passionate about things that really mattered, we’d be living in a Utopia by now; where there’s a WCW stage in every home and Rancors roamed the plains!
Steve said Barber Shops etc. can be done for stores or online vendors. Maybe an ECW stage & Ring for $250 w/RVD. Tommy Dreamer at 6000 (early backer Joey Styles with the tables & announce equipment
I hope Mattel release that WCW warrior figure with the duster someday 🤞🏾
sad but not sad at the same time. I went up and down on how much I really wanted it. I was going to cancel at point then said no I want it badly now haha.
You nailed it, the price and size of the set were just a hard sell. This is something that figure photography would love but unless you do that or intend to set it up and display the figures on it- this was just a tank
Still, for the quality and details on this it sucks that this won’t be happening.
The Size ??? Absolutely NOT. Couldn't disagree more. If you have A Ring, you can make room for the stage. C'mon now.
My take on the two major things they did wrong.
1. They shoulda made it where you can remove the WCW Nitro pieces and replace them with nWo Nitro. Being able to have two different stages would have given incentive for people to buy multiples.
2. The tiers should not have been revealed until it was close to being backed. All this did was show all the pessimists what they weren’t going to get if it doesn’t hit those goals and they started subtracting their perceived value from the cost making them think this is a $200 stage and not worth $400 unless all the figures get unlocked.
It wasn’t the price for me it’s just something I never wanted so it could’ve been whatever price I still wouldn’t have bought it. I’m just in it for the figures never was into dioramas much or backdrops.
This will always be a “what if” from now on. Really Wish this got funded! Should have gave us more unique WCW characters like, Mortis, Glacier, psicosis/juventud Guerrero, ultimo dragon, buff bagwell, raven, Kidman now those would have boosted this crowd funder would have been so awesome to have anyone of those. I didn’t really care for any of the tiered figures besides the UE DDP, but I backed this anyways just because of how epic this thing was. Saw it in person at the Mattel display @ the wrestlemania superstore. So disappointed
Also at a $400 price point, this isn’t for no little timmy. So damn hogan, warrior, and mysterio. All figures that have just been previously released very recently in the legends line. Little timmy can have that
And another thing, if they added the nitro ring with this. It would have been backed for sure! I would have even payed $500 for this if it came with the ring
I’m going to be honest it was the figure line up for me I love my WCW, but outside of Big papa pump there wasn’t a figure that I wanted
Love the insight you give on this stuff.