Hmm… Interesting. It was her vocals, you say, that sealed the deal for the ears of the world for that superstar, Diana Ross? I adore the backing band and the songwriters as well as the performers themselves. The glory of Motown originated from many sources through the various artists. That describes the ultimate outcome, but initially, the biggest audience was among whites for miss Ross. It only makes sense, given the demographics of the time. You have to chase the biggest audience, and that Ross got it is what made her into a superstar.
@@ryanellis4474 She had both the Black and White audiences. Her songs were number 1 on the pop charts and number 1 on Black radio. If like you say in the beginning it was whites who bought her music. Why were all her songs number one on the Black charts? How do you explain that?. It was Diana's voice that took Motown to the next level. Great musicians and background singers...but it was her voice that made her the face of Black music around the globe at the time. Rock critics always find a way to diminish her impact...sort of like what you're doing. Diana Ross was Motown. I was 12 years old in 1964 and saw them on the Dick Clark Calvacade of Stars...I was there from the beginning. This old dude says whites mostly accepted her that is his opinion. I'm Black and loved her from the beginning...again all her songs were #one on black radio that is the tell. She was lead singer in the greatest American group of All time with 12 number ones a record never broken in this country, If they were not Black and female they would be honored as such. Rock critics feel uncomfortable with Diana. They feel more comfortable with the stereotypes of Black women...like the over weight gospel singer type like Aretha, or the sexually hyped singer like Tina, Beyonce...on and on. Diana played the great dame and never fit those stereotype...the general consensus was "who does she think she is?" The answer: She's Diana fucking Ross. When he said she jumped in the pool with all her clothes on...I always loved that about her. She was always outrages in her own way and created what we call pop diva all by herself. She is the original.
That’s simply not true. As a young boy of color…..she/They were my epiphany. It seemed all my friends, black and white had the groundbreaking “Where Did Our Love Go” album.
Cliques exist, yes, but more broadly measured, it seems the mass market for Ross started with whites and eased to blacks. I have no signed and notarized figures to say one way or the other (and those might be difficult to discern), but demographically for the time, I think I am correct. Sheer population numbers back then would back me, but the sense in the community is a different standard to measure, which is your angle. You have your anecdotal evidence same as me, but mine comes from a loftier perch, given Lee's dealings with the public specifically in the music realm. My question came from notes from Lee's words to me.
@@ryanellis4474so that's not exactly true.A funny thing happened when The Supremes got their first two #1 records( Where did our love go and Baby Love) there was no r&b charts. Not sure what happened because there had previously been an r&b charts before and would be after that time frame. With The Supremes only being able to go #1 on the pop charts for those first two big hits and people attributing Pop to mean white it appeared they made it with white audiences first. However practically every release that went #1 with The Supremes after Baby Love went #1 on both r&b and pop charts, hence solidifying her and the supremes as "crossover" artist.
Her vocals had the cross over appeal. That is why she is an INTERNATIONAL star. You can't say the same for other female vocalist during her time.
Hmm…
Interesting.
It was her vocals, you say, that sealed the deal for the ears of the world for that superstar, Diana Ross?
I adore the backing band and the songwriters as well as the performers themselves. The glory of Motown originated from many sources through the various artists.
That describes the ultimate outcome, but initially, the biggest audience was among whites for miss Ross. It only makes sense, given the demographics of the time. You have to chase the biggest audience, and that Ross got it is what made her into a superstar.
@@ryanellis4474 She had both the Black and White audiences. Her songs were number 1 on the pop charts and number 1 on Black radio. If like you say in the beginning it was whites who bought her music. Why were all her songs number one on the Black charts? How do you explain that?.
It was Diana's voice that took Motown to the next level. Great musicians and background singers...but it was her voice that made her the face of Black music around the globe at the time. Rock critics always find a way to diminish her impact...sort of like what you're doing. Diana Ross was Motown.
I was 12 years old in 1964 and saw them on the Dick Clark Calvacade of Stars...I was there from the beginning. This old dude says whites mostly accepted her that is his opinion. I'm Black and loved her from the beginning...again all her songs were #one on black radio that is the tell. She was lead singer in the greatest American group of All time with 12 number ones a record never broken in this country, If they were not Black and female they would be honored as such.
Rock critics feel uncomfortable with Diana. They feel more comfortable with the stereotypes of Black women...like the over weight gospel singer type like Aretha, or the sexually hyped singer like Tina, Beyonce...on and on. Diana played the great dame and never fit those stereotype...the general consensus was "who does she think she is?" The answer: She's Diana fucking Ross.
When he said she jumped in the pool with all her clothes on...I always loved that about her. She was always outrages in her own way and created what we call pop diva all by herself. She is the original.
That’s simply not true. As a young boy of color…..she/They were my epiphany.
It seemed all my friends, black and white had the groundbreaking “Where Did Our Love Go” album.
Cliques exist, yes, but more broadly measured, it seems the mass market for Ross started with whites and eased to blacks. I have no signed and notarized figures to say one way or the other (and those might be difficult to discern), but demographically for the time, I think I am correct. Sheer population numbers back then would back me, but the sense in the community is a different standard to measure, which is your angle. You have your anecdotal evidence same as me, but mine comes from a loftier perch, given Lee's dealings with the public specifically in the music realm. My question came from notes from Lee's words to me.
@@ryanellis4474so that's not exactly true.A funny thing happened when The Supremes got their first two #1 records( Where did our love go and Baby Love) there was no r&b charts. Not sure what happened because there had previously been an r&b charts before and would be after that time frame. With The Supremes only being able to go #1 on the pop charts for those first two big hits and people attributing Pop to mean white it appeared they made it with white audiences first. However practically every release that went #1 with The Supremes after Baby Love went #1 on both r&b and pop charts, hence solidifying her and the supremes as "crossover" artist.