I think polestar have it right with the level of assistance, it's very relaxing on a long journey. I like they way it deals with faster cars joining your carriageway too even if they cut in a bit too soon it seems to recognise that they are faster and will move ahead so there is no sudden slowing. I agree with everything you said about adaptive cruise and the speed limit recognition. I'm hoping we will be able to rely more on the latter at some point.
Thanks for watching and posting. Would be great in the future if they sort the speed limit recognition for the adaptive cruise control to use this. My Tesla did this, but was slow to recognise speed changes.
Having used both systems for the basic highway driving and keeping in the lanes while going around curves works fine on both. The Tesla system feels more human like in instinct. The Volvo/Polestar system is very thresholds. I prefer AutoPilot in Tesla but I like how you don’t have to reengage after lane changes on the Volvo/Polestar system. For one lane roads and country side roads though a Tesla is much better.
I am thinking about exactly that car. I'm a bit torn if I should stretch my budget to get a new MY24 standard/single/pilot or save some money and enjoy the older model including plus package. What do you think?
Honestly Autopilot in my Model 3 has gotten worse in the two years I've owned the car. Ever since they disabled the radar unit and went all visual, it really struggles to stick with the car in front, always braking last second in stop and go traffic. I've stopped using it unless on a highway with little traffic.
That’s a shame to read, had hoped it would have got better in the 12 months since I sold my Tesla. Hopefully, future updates make it better in the future. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Finally someone saying the same as me! It's getting pretty horrendous. I literally don't understand why they would take something that worked pretty well and utterly ruin it.
I had a Volvo V90 with PA and now have a Tesla M3 with AP. I would say the Tesla is more capable but gets spooked too much and phantom brakes far more than my V90 ever did. Lane changing in PA is far better/easier than Tesla, having to re engage it every time you change lane is a PITA. In 2 years of Tesla ownership I don’t think it has improved at all really with various updates.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to respond. Interesting to hear about your Volvo experience, and even more how you feel the Tesla Autopilot has not improved in recent years.
Thanks for your views on the two systems. I own the Polestar 2 with Pilot Assist and frankly, I don't see the purpose of using any type of "assistance" system that still requires the driver to pay attention and be able to take over control... something that they all currently require. If I have to pay attention enough to take over at any moment, then what is the system really doing for me? Sure, as a safety feature just in case I'm briefly not paying attention... but not to replace me paying attention. Until cars can 100% safely drive themselves and not require the driver's intervention, I'd much rather have these systems as a safety backup only.
I personally find that when driving long distance with something like autopilot or pilot assist I am less tired at the end, some think that’s a good thing.
I essentially use Pilot Assist as a backup. On the highway, I turn it on when I'm driving and I essentially just drive the car, then whenever I want to say to open a bottle of water or clean my sunglasses, I can release the wheel (or just touch it with one hand occasionally putting a little gentle torque into it) and the car will do its thing. I really like it.
I haven't used Pilot Assist yet, but speaking as Tesla Autopilot driver and having done multiple large road trips (>1000 miles) I find especially on the 12 hour legs to not be near as tired at the end of the trip as I was before. I was constantly having to make adjustments, brake, etc before with regular cruise control because it seems no one can set the same speed. yet the ACC or Autopilot keeps you from slowly creeping up on someone, and keeps you in lanes without constant adjustments to the steering. That was the assistance I found useful, I still pay attention, I'm steel focused on driving, but you don't have to be. Always makes me think of that song by The Police, the line in Synchronicity II "Daddy grips the wheel and stares alone into the distance, He knows that something somewhere has to break" the assistance takes that stress down a notch or two :)
Thanks for another great update video. The 3 has got better with updates and very rarely get phantom breaking now and with inside camera you get a lot less nags to hold the wheel when you just gently holding it so that’s good 👍
I don't think that's in the UK? Mine has got increasingly fussy about quite a lot of force on the wheel. Also get phantom braking on the regular. It was almost entirely gone, and then they went to Tesla Vision on my radar-equipped car and it's back to regular phantom brakes. Along with Tesla Vision is the requirement for auto wipers and high beam with autosteer. Neither are great. High beam has improved but it still dips too late with tailights, and it still doesn't dip very well for partially occluded headlights - for example if they're behind the central barrier. I've also noticed auto wipers are now forced on even with adaptive cruise without auto steer. Honestly the sharp downhill trend in the software has me looking for a way out. Before forcing Tesla Vision I never remotely contemplated selling my car.
Thanks for this video. Mostly agree, yes. With my P2, I experienced phantom breaking in some occasions (2,3 times for 1600km) - it happened while overtaking a slow truck, it seemed like the camera locked back on the vehicle I was overtaking. The "intelligent" lights also shows some limitation: I had some flashes from high vehicles like buses, especially in some tight curves, I suppose the light did not detect the bus quickly enough. Still, P2 is an amazing car for long distance travel!
Thanks for sharing. I have had a couple of flashes due to lights, but I think its more that people see the bright lights and flash instinctively, vs they are actually getting blinded.
Thanks for sharing the differences in the PA and AP.. On a separate note, what's the ride comfort and road noise level like between the Polestar and Model S? Thanks.
Hmm noise level I would say is about the same, I certainly don't drive the Polestar thinking its noisier or quieter than the S. The ride comfort is certainly "harsher" in the Polestar, but thats because I went for the Performance pack, so its a stiffer setup, which is what I prefer, vs the air suspension I had on my S.
Although my comment is two years on from when you made the video (Sept 30 24), I would say that auto pilot still does what you experienced ie sudden braking. The Tesla does not overtake very well either eg it’s slow to react and most drivers would have overtaken and pulled back in before the Tesla has even made up its mind, worse than that is the fact it will slow you down rather than overtake. I have owned the Tesla, my first EV for 4 weeks and completed 1000 miles and can only say that I regret the purchase.
Thanks for the helpful video. I'm heavily leaning towards buying a PS but want to give Tesla a chance. These kind of experience-based reviews really help to get a realistic picture.
@@OakmanNZ Luckily I decided for a beautiful black P2 LRSM with Plus, Pilot, Nappa and 20' wheels. Have been driving it since October and am very happy with it. Recently my colleague showed me his Tesla M3 and I wasn't impressed.
@@DevilHorst yeah same here. Except I have the Single motor pilot lite, Plus with the 19s. Mates Tesla looks like it has been a taxi or Uber even though he has been the only one to ever drive it.
I have a 2019 Tesla model 3 with FSD beta, and I am watching this video because I am thinking about selling my Tesla but I don't want to go back to gas cars. Tesla is certainly making progress in the "full self driving" tech but has a long way to go still. My issues with Tesla is that they have lots of great features that don't work well. Basically almost nothing works well, auto wipers if its drizzling they don't wipe and I have to constantly hit the manual button, auto high beams are a total joke, smart summon is a party trick that hasn't improved since pretty much release, navigate on autopilot on the highway is actually really good but the auto lane change generally I keep on require confirmation because it doesn't plan well and will try to do stupid stuff, service is terrible, generally 6 week wait to get my car in the last 2 times, they will never confirm if you will have a loaner vehicle or not until you are there, the times I have taken my car in for service I've always had to take it back or have mobile service out to fix the issues that were suppose to be fixed the first time (current appointment is for 3 of the 4 issues I took it in for last time) and this time with the seat sensor not working right and slamming the car into park if I am driving slow without my seatbelt on (moving car in driveway or a parking lot) their answer was I should have my seat belt on at all times while moving the vehicle at any speed and they will only look into it if it is doing it while the seatbelt is engaged. FSD Beta is amazing in some ways but also kind of like smart summon, its not the most practical thing unless you are ok with pissing off a lot of other drivers but the point of the beta is to help them collect data to make it better and is something you sign up to do. I am curious how polestar compares to Tesla in quality, service and other areas too.
Thanks for watching and commenting Todd. I personally feel the Polestar 2 is much better built and has a better quality interior than my Tesla Model S had. I have only had to take my car to the dealer once for a delivery snag and that was sorted fairly well. When I first got my Model S, Tesla service was amazing, but it went down hill when the Model 3 was released and they didn't seem to up staffing. I have not missed Tesla ownership, I would consider another one in the future, but feel in no hurry to get a Model Y or something in the near future.
It's hard to grasp what i think of tesla autopilot. I do not have FSD so i tend to use autopilot only on larger A roads and motorways as a hands off system. What i do use a lot is tesla CC without the steering etc just to make sure i don't go over the speed limit or in crap traffic. It changes ALL THE TIME, software releases change it from aggressive to timid so much and since we have not have an update for such a long time now the wife will call the car "scaredy cat" It's not phantom as it was but it still is there.
I think the Tesla drives better on its own than the Polestar. Polestar cant go from 100-80 km/hr to go through a corner and stuff like that very well. I always feel its going to drive off the road.
Thanks for the insights. I think an underrated (or rather neglected) characteristic of the pilot assist on Volvo’s and Polestars is how subtle it gives the driver assistance. No drama, easy and smooth adjustments with the lane keep feature. I feel Tesla’s and other manufacturers make a strong emphasis with their intervention, loud and jerky.
I did a test drive of the Polestar and noticed this too. If the car needed a small correction I could just provide a gentle nudge and then let it carry on. With my Model 3 there will be two options. If I'm steering in the direction the car is steering it'll mostly gently disengage and then I have to take full control of the steering and re-engage when I think the system can handle the situation. The other option is I'm steering *against* the direction the car is steering. In this case I have to literally wrench the wheel free from Autopilot and then continue as before. In both cases you then have to re-enage the system which gets old on longer journies or motorways dual carriageways where you're overtaking constantly. The other big difference I noticed was when a car crossed my path in the Polestar. It gently slowed down and as soon as the car was no longer in front it sped back up. No drama. The same situation with my Model 3, the car would heavily brake, and then continue braking pretty hard long after the car is gone. This happens time and time again. If AP ever sees an obstruction it just lays on the brakes for *ages*. So then you have to take over the throttle for an extended period. Actually that reminds me of the emergency braking. It rarely happens and I don't mind it per se since I'd rather it brake than not. But the problem is if the emergency braking engages, the only way to override is with the throttle. The problem then though is the braking is fully released with the lightest of throttle touches. I'm trying to just reduce the severity of the braking not stop it entirely. So then you have to release the throttle to gain some braking and then you're in full emergency automatic braking again. Honestly I don't care much for the 'safety' features of the Tesla. I find they engage when they aren't needed, and often don't engage when they are. The latest updates have dialed up the 'lane correction' for the car to 11. It'll forcefully shift the wheel one way or another when it thinks you're out of lane, but really it just couldn't see the markings. But if I actually drift to the side on a country road? No correction at all.
I think polestar have it right with the level of assistance, it's very relaxing on a long journey. I like they way it deals with faster cars joining your carriageway too even if they cut in a bit too soon it seems to recognise that they are faster and will move ahead so there is no sudden slowing. I agree with everything you said about adaptive cruise and the speed limit recognition. I'm hoping we will be able to rely more on the latter at some point.
Thanks for watching and posting.
Would be great in the future if they sort the speed limit recognition for the adaptive cruise control to use this. My Tesla did this, but was slow to recognise speed changes.
Having used both systems for the basic highway driving and keeping in the lanes while going around curves works fine on both. The Tesla system feels more human like in instinct. The Volvo/Polestar system is very thresholds. I prefer AutoPilot in Tesla but I like how you don’t have to reengage after lane changes on the Volvo/Polestar system.
For one lane roads and country side roads though a Tesla is much better.
Cheers for sharing your thoughts after using both.
Used mine at the weekend was the most relaxing thing I’ve driven on a long distance drive
Polestar or Tesla?
Polestar, had the car two weeks today literally in love.
I went for the new single motor long range with the pilot plus model
@@SuperJohnnyenglish Congrats and enjoy.
I am thinking about exactly that car. I'm a bit torn if I should stretch my budget to get a new MY24 standard/single/pilot or save some money and enjoy the older model including plus package. What do you think?
Honestly Autopilot in my Model 3 has gotten worse in the two years I've owned the car. Ever since they disabled the radar unit and went all visual, it really struggles to stick with the car in front, always braking last second in stop and go traffic. I've stopped using it unless on a highway with little traffic.
That’s a shame to read, had hoped it would have got better in the 12 months since I sold my Tesla. Hopefully, future updates make it better in the future.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Finally someone saying the same as me! It's getting pretty horrendous. I literally don't understand why they would take something that worked pretty well and utterly ruin it.
I had a Volvo V90 with PA and now have a Tesla M3 with AP. I would say the Tesla is more capable but gets spooked too much and phantom brakes far more than my V90 ever did. Lane changing in PA is far better/easier than Tesla, having to re engage it every time you change lane is a PITA. In 2 years of Tesla ownership I don’t think it has improved at all really with various updates.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to respond.
Interesting to hear about your Volvo experience, and even more how you feel the Tesla Autopilot has not improved in recent years.
Thanks for your views on the two systems. I own the Polestar 2 with Pilot Assist and frankly, I don't see the purpose of using any type of "assistance" system that still requires the driver to pay attention and be able to take over control... something that they all currently require. If I have to pay attention enough to take over at any moment, then what is the system really doing for me? Sure, as a safety feature just in case I'm briefly not paying attention... but not to replace me paying attention. Until cars can 100% safely drive themselves and not require the driver's intervention, I'd much rather have these systems as a safety backup only.
I personally find that when driving long distance with something like autopilot or pilot assist I am less tired at the end, some think that’s a good thing.
I essentially use Pilot Assist as a backup. On the highway, I turn it on when I'm driving and I essentially just drive the car, then whenever I want to say to open a bottle of water or clean my sunglasses, I can release the wheel (or just touch it with one hand occasionally putting a little gentle torque into it) and the car will do its thing. I really like it.
@@rarelyaccurate6252 Yeah, that's how I perceive its value as well; as a safety backup but not a primary means of driving.
@@rarelyaccurate6252 Thats exactly what its design for in my opinion.
I haven't used Pilot Assist yet, but speaking as Tesla Autopilot driver and having done multiple large road trips (>1000 miles) I find especially on the 12 hour legs to not be near as tired at the end of the trip as I was before. I was constantly having to make adjustments, brake, etc before with regular cruise control because it seems no one can set the same speed. yet the ACC or Autopilot keeps you from slowly creeping up on someone, and keeps you in lanes without constant adjustments to the steering.
That was the assistance I found useful, I still pay attention, I'm steel focused on driving, but you don't have to be. Always makes me think of that song by The Police, the line in Synchronicity II "Daddy grips the wheel and stares alone into the distance, He knows that something somewhere has to break" the assistance takes that stress down a notch or two :)
Thanks for another great update video. The 3 has got better with updates and very rarely get phantom breaking now and with inside camera you get a lot less nags to hold the wheel when you just gently holding it so that’s good 👍
Nice, I didn't realise the internal camera was enabled to do anything yet.
I don't think that's in the UK? Mine has got increasingly fussy about quite a lot of force on the wheel. Also get phantom braking on the regular. It was almost entirely gone, and then they went to Tesla Vision on my radar-equipped car and it's back to regular phantom brakes. Along with Tesla Vision is the requirement for auto wipers and high beam with autosteer. Neither are great. High beam has improved but it still dips too late with tailights, and it still doesn't dip very well for partially occluded headlights - for example if they're behind the central barrier. I've also noticed auto wipers are now forced on even with adaptive cruise without auto steer.
Honestly the sharp downhill trend in the software has me looking for a way out. Before forcing Tesla Vision I never remotely contemplated selling my car.
Thanks for this video. Mostly agree, yes.
With my P2, I experienced phantom breaking in some occasions (2,3 times for 1600km) - it happened while overtaking a slow truck, it seemed like the camera locked back on the vehicle I was overtaking.
The "intelligent" lights also shows some limitation: I had some flashes from high vehicles like buses, especially in some tight curves, I suppose the light did not detect the bus quickly enough.
Still, P2 is an amazing car for long distance travel!
Thanks for sharing.
I have had a couple of flashes due to lights, but I think its more that people see the bright lights and flash instinctively, vs they are actually getting blinded.
Thanks for sharing the differences in the PA and AP.. On a separate note, what's the ride comfort and road noise level like between the Polestar and Model S? Thanks.
Hmm noise level I would say is about the same, I certainly don't drive the Polestar thinking its noisier or quieter than the S.
The ride comfort is certainly "harsher" in the Polestar, but thats because I went for the Performance pack, so its a stiffer setup, which is what I prefer, vs the air suspension I had on my S.
Although my comment is two years on from when you made the video (Sept 30 24), I would say that auto pilot still does what you experienced ie sudden braking. The Tesla does not overtake very well either eg it’s slow to react and most drivers would have overtaken and pulled back in before the Tesla has even made up its mind, worse than that is the fact it will slow you down rather than overtake. I have owned the Tesla, my first EV for 4 weeks and completed 1000 miles and can only say that I regret the purchase.
Thats a shame, is it a new Tesla you have with the more modern auto pilot?
Thanks for the helpful video. I'm heavily leaning towards buying a PS but want to give Tesla a chance. These kind of experience-based reviews really help to get a realistic picture.
Glad it was helpful!
Tesla will develop rattles as the interior is cheap and shitty. Polestar 2 interior is well made and assembled.
@@OakmanNZ Luckily I decided for a beautiful black P2 LRSM with Plus, Pilot, Nappa and 20' wheels. Have been driving it since October and am very happy with it. Recently my colleague showed me his Tesla M3 and I wasn't impressed.
@@DevilHorst yeah same here. Except I have the Single motor pilot lite, Plus with the 19s. Mates Tesla looks like it has been a taxi or Uber even though he has been the only one to ever drive it.
I have a 2019 Tesla model 3 with FSD beta, and I am watching this video because I am thinking about selling my Tesla but I don't want to go back to gas cars. Tesla is certainly making progress in the "full self driving" tech but has a long way to go still. My issues with Tesla is that they have lots of great features that don't work well. Basically almost nothing works well, auto wipers if its drizzling they don't wipe and I have to constantly hit the manual button, auto high beams are a total joke, smart summon is a party trick that hasn't improved since pretty much release, navigate on autopilot on the highway is actually really good but the auto lane change generally I keep on require confirmation because it doesn't plan well and will try to do stupid stuff, service is terrible, generally 6 week wait to get my car in the last 2 times, they will never confirm if you will have a loaner vehicle or not until you are there, the times I have taken my car in for service I've always had to take it back or have mobile service out to fix the issues that were suppose to be fixed the first time (current appointment is for 3 of the 4 issues I took it in for last time) and this time with the seat sensor not working right and slamming the car into park if I am driving slow without my seatbelt on (moving car in driveway or a parking lot) their answer was I should have my seat belt on at all times while moving the vehicle at any speed and they will only look into it if it is doing it while the seatbelt is engaged. FSD Beta is amazing in some ways but also kind of like smart summon, its not the most practical thing unless you are ok with pissing off a lot of other drivers but the point of the beta is to help them collect data to make it better and is something you sign up to do. I am curious how polestar compares to Tesla in quality, service and other areas too.
Thanks for watching and commenting Todd.
I personally feel the Polestar 2 is much better built and has a better quality interior than my Tesla Model S had. I have only had to take my car to the dealer once for a delivery snag and that was sorted fairly well. When I first got my Model S, Tesla service was amazing, but it went down hill when the Model 3 was released and they didn't seem to up staffing.
I have not missed Tesla ownership, I would consider another one in the future, but feel in no hurry to get a Model Y or something in the near future.
Good summary of Tesla ownership - here we are 2 years on now and nothing has improved much.
It's hard to grasp what i think of tesla autopilot. I do not have FSD so i tend to use autopilot only on larger A roads and motorways as a hands off system. What i do use a lot is tesla CC without the steering etc just to make sure i don't go over the speed limit or in crap traffic. It changes ALL THE TIME, software releases change it from aggressive to timid so much and since we have not have an update for such a long time now the wife will call the car "scaredy cat" It's not phantom as it was but it still is there.
Thanks for sharing Darren. When I had my Tesla my wife always used to hate it if I used cruise control or autopilot due to its erratic behaviour.
Great video! I am unimpressed by Tesla. I thought it’s way ahead of Volvo. And I am comparing 2022 model Y with 2018 V90 cc.
Thanks for watching!
I think the Tesla drives better on its own than the Polestar. Polestar cant go from 100-80 km/hr to go through a corner and stuff like that very well. I always feel its going to drive off the road.
Cheers for sharing your experience.
Thanks for the insights. I think an underrated (or rather neglected) characteristic of the pilot assist on Volvo’s and Polestars is how subtle it gives the driver assistance. No drama, easy and smooth adjustments with the lane keep feature. I feel Tesla’s and other manufacturers make a strong emphasis with their intervention, loud and jerky.
Thats a very true and valid point, cheers for sharing.
I did a test drive of the Polestar and noticed this too. If the car needed a small correction I could just provide a gentle nudge and then let it carry on. With my Model 3 there will be two options. If I'm steering in the direction the car is steering it'll mostly gently disengage and then I have to take full control of the steering and re-engage when I think the system can handle the situation. The other option is I'm steering *against* the direction the car is steering. In this case I have to literally wrench the wheel free from Autopilot and then continue as before. In both cases you then have to re-enage the system which gets old on longer journies or motorways dual carriageways where you're overtaking constantly.
The other big difference I noticed was when a car crossed my path in the Polestar. It gently slowed down and as soon as the car was no longer in front it sped back up. No drama. The same situation with my Model 3, the car would heavily brake, and then continue braking pretty hard long after the car is gone. This happens time and time again. If AP ever sees an obstruction it just lays on the brakes for *ages*. So then you have to take over the throttle for an extended period.
Actually that reminds me of the emergency braking. It rarely happens and I don't mind it per se since I'd rather it brake than not. But the problem is if the emergency braking engages, the only way to override is with the throttle. The problem then though is the braking is fully released with the lightest of throttle touches. I'm trying to just reduce the severity of the braking not stop it entirely. So then you have to release the throttle to gain some braking and then you're in full emergency automatic braking again.
Honestly I don't care much for the 'safety' features of the Tesla. I find they engage when they aren't needed, and often don't engage when they are. The latest updates have dialed up the 'lane correction' for the car to 11. It'll forcefully shift the wheel one way or another when it thinks you're out of lane, but really it just couldn't see the markings. But if I actually drift to the side on a country road? No correction at all.