Pill stove hack
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ต.ค. 2024
- Unsatisfied with the tepid heat from my Pill Stove, I've decided to go out and build my own and see if I can improve on the original Using easily bought compounds called vermiculite and perlite, i try to see if a larger surface area helps. At the same time a trial of both materials and common meths in some "trangia lite" burners we see which has the longest lasting and perhaps efficient burn.
I am so puzzled why so many youtubers test a camp stove by just lighting it on fire and timing how long it burns. The primary use for camp stoves is to produce some hot water. So any testing should measure how much fuel and how long it takes to produce, say, 1/2 liter of hot water. And, a simple to use stove makes camping more fun. The PillBottle Stove instructions are so simple... 1) stack two Stones then 2) set the pot of top and 3) light the Stones. That delivers the most BTUs into the pot in the shortest time... in 5 minutes you have 1/2 liter of hot water for your coffee or meal prep. Setting the Stones on top of any stand, as in this video, dramatically reduces the performance of the Stones stove. Using just one Stone, or a stack of 3 Stones, or two Stones flat, also reduces the performance a lot. We learned this by doing over 250 tests during the 2 years it took to perfect the PillBottle Stones Stove.
I've noticed the same trend of just not following the instructions. Thanks for the interesting product.
Regardless of ignition source. If time is a thing for you here's a tip and something for you to time. Old soldier old habits always clean your cups canteen nice and shiny was my M.O. So is that optimum? No take 2 one cleaned one not boil and time it in gas in the coals on a hexi it's all the same. The blackened one boils faster. Simple science. What is the hottest interior temperature of a car by colour in summer? Black. Black absorbs heat. So don't scrub your pot
I have been thinking along similar lines and need to watch your video again more carefully. Thanks for the upload it will save me a lot of time.
Always glad to help
🙏🙏👌👌👍👍great piece of info on the burners
Thank you.
Thanks for sharing. Please be more careful. Don't sit in front of your setup with your legs under the table. If it falls over you can't get out of the way and will get a pot of boiling water in you lap, this will make you a very unhappy camper. Sit side saddle. Also don't stir a hot pot without holding the pot handle or better take it off the stove, stir and replace. Don't ask me how I know this. 😎👍
Try that again but with a windshield I think a lot of the heat went across the table ,your tea just might be a bit warmer,our you could just put that lump of stone in an Esbit folding stove and the kettle on top .
Just buy a real stove mucking around with this crap😂
👍interesting idea, well done
never understood why someone making a coffee or tea in the woods would bring an extra pot to boil water in when they could just use the cup they're going to have their coffee or tea in.
Because a lot of people don't want to discolor or damage the cup that they drink out of by heating it up with open flame or caking it in soot. Or they need to boil a larger amount of water. Or they need to boil water for two people. Or the materials they use for their preferred cup do not allow it to be placed over open flame. Or the stove surface does not accommodate the narrow width of a cup
Personally. I have a double walled cup that takes up very little space because it hugs the inside of my toaks. Don't burn my lips and I can't boil in the cup because of the double wall
lol.....dudes out by himself for the day, why carry extra if you don't have to. And what difference does it make to get soot on or discolor one cup over another? And if you looked at the stove he used, it'd fit his cup. I mean, I can make up a bunch of reasons to bring both, that doesn't mean they are good reasons. @@educational4434
see, that makes sense to me. But since he's not using a double walled cup, I don't see why he'd do it.@@mastabas
This got rather tedious…and balancing the kettle like that is a recipe for disaster.
Nice video but it is a lot easier and quicker to use a trangia style stove and it would give a better boil.
Good to see these ideas though. 👍👍
Always good to see if a bit of mix and match might help. I do know that my coffee was considerably hotter than the tea earlier🙂
1)The Stones can't spill fuel out onto the ground, like a Trangia. 2) You stack 2 Stones, put the pot on top, then light it -- that wastes zero fuel and all BTUs flow onto the pot... no 'warmup' with no pot on top, like a Trangia ,where 2 minutes of fuel are wasted to get the little blue flames shooting out. 3) When done cooking there is no waiting a long time for the stove/unused fuel to cool off, no careful pouring the leftover fuel into the bottle with the mosquitoes biting you and it's starting to rain. (And that leftover fuel might have some water in it if their was any boilover. ) 4) Next meal... no careful measured filling of the Trangia. Just pop open the pill bottle, stack two Stones, set the pot on top, and light. 5) Don't accidently step on your Trangia... it kinda gets crushed.
@justgoingout6824 a man must have options. And or an addiction. I have at least 12 types of hiking stoves to make a brew or meal with😂😂
Nice to know the material. Glad to see your experiment. What advantage does a "stone sponge" offer over liquid alcohol?
1)The Stones can't spill fuel out onto the ground, like my cokecan alcohol stoves. 2) You stack 2 Stones, put the pot on top, then light it -- that wastes zero fuel and all BTUs flow onto the pot... no 'warmup' with no pot on top, like my cokecan stoves ,where 2 minutes of fuel are wasted to get the little blue flames shooting out. 3) When done cooking there is no waiting a long time for the stove/unused fuel to cool off, no careful pouring the leftover fuel into the bottle with the mosquitoes biting you and it's starting to rain. (And that leftover fuel might have some water in it if their was any boilover. ) 4) Next meal... no careful measured filling of the little alcohol stove. Just pop open the pill bottle, stack two Stones, set the pot on top, and light. 5) The Stones never wear out or fail... like the tape that peeled off my Anti-Gravity Gear BCS-2 Stove.
@@neotrekk great answer. I'm skeptical, but can't knock it till i try it.
I assume space, oxygen between fuel and pot produces a hotter flame. I assume the fuel at the top of the stone will burn inefficiently, cool. I don't think the liquid drains down and burns from the bottom. Hypotheses to be tested and measured.
@@neotrekk i don't think any heat is released from the top of the stone in contact with the pot. But the sides of the stone may emit more heat than the surface of liquid ethanol in a can of similar volume.
Things I'm mulling over, watching grass grow. 😅
I believe each stone holds 1 ounce of fuel.
There is just so much energy in 1 ounce of alcohol, you can use that up with a 3 minute blow torch burn or a comfortable 10 minute burn, both doing the same thing?
People who are obsessed with trying to achieve heating 8-12 ounces of water in 1 minute I don't get.
Here is what should count, within 10 minutes, can I get a boil?
What method reduces yellow flames over blue, reducing the mess to the bottom of the cup, pot?
Why, soot, crap on the bottom and up the sides of the cooking containers are unburnt residue, wasted fuel.
Flames licking up the sides of a container probably aren't exactly effective.
A gentle burning flame is more useful for more than just heating water in zero time.
Yes, you can add a simmer ring, but let's not add that to this.
Also, take note, perlite sucks up four
times its weight in water, vermiculite sponges up to sixteen times its weight.
I'm assuming alcohol base fuel has the same percentage.
Each Stone absorbs 10 grams of alcohol.
@neotrekk
What is a slight decimal error, minor unit error? 😀
2 minutes in and still not showing what you are pouring into what? Please think of others time
Can you please tell the exact sizes of one puck (original): diameter and height?
Do you have a link to where you got your table?
Hello Tommo, Its best that you have a look at Outsider Tanks TH-cam channel. He has the link to the table. 1st time user, and i'm quite impressed. Hope this helps.
@@justgoingout6824 Thank you.
Or ...... you could have used the windshield that comes in the kit, which retains the heat!
Looks a bit tippy to me, but to each their own.
Works good with a 16 oz mug. Bigger pots can be tippy. We sell a folding stand now, with a big windscreen.
It just seems like a lot of trouble.
Needed to give it a try.........nothing ventured nothing gained, and I didnt really gain much I admit.
@@justgoingout6824 I understand. Good luck
it's said how it's spelled Ver Mic U lite
Thanks Randy, had a bit of brain fart whilst making the vid. The use of the normal kettle was for effect. The waterbottle combo set I made up I just fished out of its case, could have used it , but decided otherwise.
Absolutely not..not for me chap....
Annoying bloke
Why?