Thank you for performing this first amendment audit in our town. I would love to see you do our bmv. They have always made a deal about cell phones in the past.
Why mess with USPS? Do you have any idea how hard we work day in and day out? I think people have this misconception that we’re all cliff clavin and spend our time at cheers or happily whistle down the lane tossing newspapers on porches … Why would you even need to be in the docks? We’re not hiding whatever conspiracies or contraband you may be trying to expose … we’re overworked like most of America and serving the community as dignified and efficiently as we possibly can … leave us alone …There’s just no reason for this ….
You " So Call Media Press) rave about Poster 7 and how it gives you permission to film and do whatever you want to do on postal property, including insult patrons who are actually conducting business there and haress employees who are trying to do their job. You failed to mention that Poster 7 also mentions that you have to make an appointment prior with the postmaster. One more thing, you people do it to have more clicks on your tube channel and thus get paid more money, you're filming and harassing people without their permission and getting paid for it which makes it illegal look it up. The best thing for the workers you haress to do is completely ignore you like you're not even there because that wouldn't be good for your views. Unless of course you get out of control with the customers and employees then they can the police so that they may remove you from the property. By the way the USPS doesn't get one penny from taxpayers.
Out of all government buildings postal is the one with a poster saying you can photograph and video on the wall their own rules poster 7 and also D H S MEMO
There was a memo put out by the USPS telling PS employees to leave auditors alone and to treat them with respect. They have the right to be there. The memo is on TH-cam. It is the responsibility of Postmaster to inform all employees. th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=post+office+meno+
You actually need to contact the postmaster general in Washington DC and let him know of how the woman tried to violate your rights so he can send someone to educate them that you're allowed to
Great explanations to the employees who obviously haven’t seen or read the Poster 7. They, as with many public employees, don’t know or understand the plain view doctrine. The “purpose” of your story doesn’t matter.
Lol.... the plain view doctrine has nothing to do with citizens viewing objects or people in public. The constitution protects our rights to view and record things that are visible from public property but the plain view doctrine applies specifically to government and law enforcement. In the United States, the plain view doctrine is an exception to the Fourth Amendment's warrant requirement that allows an officer to seize evidence and contraband that are found in plain view during a lawful observation. The plain view doctrine does not apply to citizens or post office employees....but the constitution and the 1st amendment definitely do!
Compared to other audits, this is actually a good one. No police showed up. And the one woman barked a bit, they played their little passive aggressive game…which just meant you were filming longer 😂😂. If you are tyrant hunting…go to the cities. Dayton isn’t far from The areas you are auditing.
Power? Nobody is professing to be powerful … if you manage to not get arrested, maintain a clean driving record and be deemed a decent, trustworthy human being, anyone can work there … why try to marginalize or demean us because some yahoo wants to prove he can film in public spaces? Not everyone is as hip as all of you and some of us don’t consent to having our public lives splayed out all over the internet smh … your virtual reality isn’t actual reality folks … there still is such a thing as privacy and not wanting to be in someone’s misguided expose piece … take away monetization and donations and these people would be gone lol not giving one sh!t about your “civil liberties”
They don't. This Carrier was just a complete Jerk. He probably wants to get into management because he struggles with Carrying. He would fit right in. He's a Big RAT.
Yeah it doesn't take a genius to sort mail etc but they seem to screw it up some how. lol Most of them have no clue what their own policies and procedures - poster 7 is must less the laws and constitution. 😆
Notice their dock doors left open. How easy would it be for someone to enter this office without their knowledge? All entry doors at Postal facilities are to be secured and locked.
The dock door leading to out LLV's has been broken for almost 2 years at my office. The doors won't even shut all the way, much less lock. Management could not care less.
Management does a facility security and safety/health inspection annually. This is when those deficiencies should be reported and corrected. If reported, they have a timeframe to be corrected and is monitored by the Safety Office. The Postmaster must be falsifying their reports. There is a form for employees to report safety deficiencies and should be available on the workroom floor. Safety is everyone’s responsibility. An email to your POOM might be necessary.
Hey thanks! I'll inquire about it in the morning, bc I have been blatanlty lied to by management before, and only learned when I asked the union/another senior carrier. There are simply too many things to ignore at this point (not that one should). Thanks again!
Treat those public servants like servants. When they try to push you around you need to push back. You can be polite while being more firm. Bring the bass
Why are they all so certain that you can't record in the post office? Are they being told this by someone? They all seem completely convinced. It's really strange.
While it's good that you are shining light on these postal workers not being adequately trained on the rights allowed on post office premises, there are instances in this video where you are actually in the wrong. While you are correct about being allowed to film in the entrances, lobbies, foyers, corridors, and auditoriums of the post office - Poster 7 (at 5:02), which is derived from Title 39 CFR § 232.1 (Conduct on postal property), states that you are allowed to do so "Except as prohibited by official signs or the directions of security force personnel or other authorized personnel, or a Federal court order or rule." Now I didn't see any security officers or the local postmaster tell you to stop, so you're good there - but the part I'm looking at where there seems to be trouble is the "...Federal court order or rule." portion. In "Ward v. Rock Against Racism (1989)", the United States Supreme Court ruled that restrictions/regulations can be placed on the practicing of any freedom (be it freedom of speech or press), as long as it's "...narrowly tailored to serve the government’s legitimate content-neutral interests but does not need to be the least restrictive or the least-intrusive means of doing so." Basically what that means is a restrictive regulation must "[promote] a substantial government interest that would be achieved less effectively absent the regulation." An example would be that filming customers of the post office could be restricted if filming disrupted general post office activities. Since the post office is designed to ensure the public can send mail, the process of sending mail is priority. If the filming is interrupting that process, then the government interest is being achieved less effectively. Now the reason I bring this all up is the USPS does indeed have such restrictive regulations in play. By going to the USPS official website and looking at the "Rights and Permissions" section they have available, you'll see that under the Photography section, "Informal pictures taken with a handheld camera for personal use are allowable at the discretion of the Postmaster. Photos cannot disrupt operations and must take place in publicly accessible areas. No prior permission is required from the Office of Rights and Permissions. For taking informal pictures, you may not: -Set up lighting or scaffolding -Include USPS employees, customers, or mail -Depict security cameras Any personal photography that does not follow the guidelines listed above, causes undo disruption, or raises potential or real security concerns can be restricted by the Postmaster." Looking at your video again, there are several instances of you capturing footage of USPS employees and customers, and looking at the 2:21 mark, there appears to be a security camera at the upper right corner of the building - meaning that you can't be filming these sections due to it violating the regulations the USPS has on Informal Photography. Now the reason I'm classifying this video as "Informal" is that in the "Professional Photographs" section of their Rights and Permissions, it's stated that, "Pictures taken on Postal Service premises require a License or Location Agreement, whether for commercial or non-commercial use. This includes professional photographers, documentary filmmakers, student photographers, student filmmakers, and nonprofits." And I'm taking a leap here and guessing that a License/Location Agreement wasn't obtained before filming started. Anyway, once again - I think it's good that you're helping to shine a light on postal workers not being properly trained or educated on the rights we as citizens have on their premises, but on that same token - we as citizens also have to take it upon ourselves to become knowledgeable on what our rights and how we can properly practice them - because so often is it the case that we learn all about them when we get in trouble. Hope that all helps you in future audits. Thanks for reading!
When they say they need your consent you might need to remind them that they are PUBLIC EMPLOYEES and we have the right to check up on them. They work for you. They can't tell you not to do something that is your god given right. You're the boss, you have to believe you are the boss and act accordingly. Ps. Inform them that the supreme court has upheld in SMITH v CITY OF CUMMINGS, your right to record public employees in the course of their duties
Seems like there's a few other useful options to earn a living than making youtube videos. Seriously, no "1A Auditors" would be doing what they're doing if it wasn't for the possibility of making some money from it. The general public doesn't care if you can record in "public places" because that's not what a normal adult does. There's other useful ways to be productive. And, really, "1A auditing" doesn't change a thing in the real world except for adding to the "auditors" ever present criminal history.
Upon immediate contact postal workers rude, demeaning, disrespectful, condescending, unprofessional, uneducated, repeatedly make false statements. Argumentative, verbally threatening (call police) rather than being approachable, welcoming, pleasant, knowledgeable (as postal clerk at central counter) throughout contact
So you can see how carrying a heavy mail bag every day can affect a thought process..."It's government property , but it's private property"....hahahaha....
People like this Jerk Carrier is the reason the USPS is failing. He's definitely a Biden Voter. The USPS Union tells you you have to vote Democrat. I never did. I voted Republican and the Big Shots didn't like it.
@@SteenyBean There's a new memo from USPS giving direction on how to behave when there are people on property recording..Anybody that wants to do that would be behooved to copy it and hand it out if there is a contact...
@@4catsnow I guess it’s too much to hope normal, well adjusted American citizens would have much more important daily tasks other than harassing their local post office … it’s harassment plain and simple… just because you can do redundant irritating things doesn’t mean you should … I can assure you there’s nothing nefarious going on around the corner … go spotlight some failing politician whos salary we actually pay because your taxes don’t pay the USPS … but people like this don’t want change or a REAL arrest, they just want your money
Workers don’t want to be filmed getting paid for not doing their job. The post office customer service needs the be improved for some reason a lot of government workers only care about the paycheck not the customers.
In training we are taught that people can even stand in the lobby and record and we can't do anything about it. Having said that, what is the purpose of this channel?
your are not supposed to head 1st park and you are supposed to curb ur wheels you learn these 2 rules day 1 notice how the LLV next to him was backed in
IMO> Bullies need to know what their talking about before they sound off? if you don't want people to use their first amendment rights, close your dam door or post legal signs? How long has the rules governing what's allowed on postal properties been there, and not one of them have read their one page poster?
Here ,Is the idiocy of what they're saying,you can't video through an open door or video federal employees from a public area.So you can't video the president,the Whitehouse ,or any other Federal building in plain view from public.
There is no reason to do the post office. We all have been there. There is no value to do this. I like my post office. They are not even funded by tax payers they make There money through postage. I can't support you on this one!
After watching these vids for over 5yrs, i cant believe that in late 2022, there is so many uneducated postal workers out there. Just more entitled govt workers. Disappointing and pathetic.
Very rare to see a postal worker read the poster and agree that you CAN record! They usually stomp away and not read it.
Thank you for performing this first amendment audit in our town. I would love to see you do our bmv. They have always made a deal about cell phones in the past.
Great work. Thanks for all of us. Love poster 7.
I have the upmost respect for what you guys do, keep it up
Why mess with USPS? Do you have any idea how hard we work day in and day out? I think people have this misconception that we’re all cliff clavin and spend our time at cheers or happily whistle down the lane tossing newspapers on porches … Why would you even need to be in the docks? We’re not hiding whatever conspiracies or contraband you may be trying to expose … we’re overworked like most of America and serving the community as dignified and efficiently as we possibly can … leave us alone …There’s just no reason for this ….
He was just taken video of the postoffice it's a public place he can film whatever he wants stop making it a bad deal
They’re looking to stir up controversy to make some money on TH-cam.
@@wreiad that's our opinion
You " So Call Media Press) rave about Poster 7 and how it gives you permission to film and do whatever you want to do on postal property, including insult patrons who are actually conducting business there and haress employees who are trying to do their job. You failed to mention that Poster 7 also mentions that you have to make an appointment prior with the postmaster. One more thing, you people do it to have more clicks on your tube channel and thus get paid more money, you're filming and harassing people without their permission and getting paid for it which makes it illegal look it up. The best thing for the workers you haress to do is completely ignore you like you're not even there because that wouldn't be good for your views. Unless of course you get out of control with the customers and employees then they can the police so that they may remove you from the property. By the way the USPS doesn't get one penny from taxpayers.
@@dianaolivo7740 in public u don't need permission to flim ppl they haven't harassing anybody they come to ppl that are harassing them
Out of all government buildings postal is the one with a poster saying you can photograph and video on the wall their own rules poster 7 and also D H S MEMO
There was a memo put out by the USPS telling PS employees to leave auditors alone and to treat them with respect. They have the right to be there. The memo is on TH-cam. It is the responsibility of Postmaster to inform all employees. th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=post+office+meno+
You actually need to contact the postmaster general in Washington DC and let him know of how the woman tried to violate your rights so he can send someone to educate them that you're allowed to
Great explanations to the employees who obviously haven’t seen or read the Poster 7. They, as with many public employees, don’t know or understand the plain view doctrine. The “purpose” of your story doesn’t matter.
Lol.... the plain view doctrine has nothing to do with citizens viewing objects or people in public. The constitution protects our rights to view and record things that are visible from public property but the plain view doctrine applies specifically to government and law enforcement. In the United States, the plain view doctrine is an exception to the Fourth Amendment's warrant requirement that allows an officer to seize evidence and contraband that are found in plain view during a lawful observation. The plain view doctrine does not apply to citizens or post office employees....but the constitution and the 1st amendment definitely do!
NO DHS memo delivered to this post office?
Just found you. I started my auditing in April 22 Keep it going brother
We appreciate the work in the streets my man. My phone was snatched from my hand at the Russell's point post office. Maybe Try them next!
I will definitely get there soon. Thanks for the tip. Sorry they did you like that.
Trust me they called the police.🤨Police probably told them he’s just filming in the lobby, there’s nothing we can do ma’am😂🤣😂. 😎✌️🇺🇸💪
Compared to other audits, this is actually a good one. No police showed up. And the one woman barked a bit, they played their little passive aggressive game…which just meant you were filming longer 😂😂.
If you are tyrant hunting…go to the cities. Dayton isn’t far from The areas you are auditing.
Who knew a Mail Carrier had so much Power?
It's the facial hair and hair cut. LOL
Power? Nobody is professing to be powerful … if you manage to not get arrested, maintain a clean driving record and be deemed a decent, trustworthy human being, anyone can work there … why try to marginalize or demean us because some yahoo wants to prove he can film in public spaces? Not everyone is as hip as all of you and some of us don’t consent to having our public lives splayed out all over the internet smh … your virtual reality isn’t actual reality folks … there still is such a thing as privacy and not wanting to be in someone’s misguided expose piece … take away monetization and donations and these people would be gone lol not giving one sh!t about your “civil liberties”
They don't. This Carrier was just a complete Jerk. He probably wants to get into management because he struggles with Carrying. He would fit right in. He's a Big RAT.
wow, lived there for 6 years and graduated from BHS in the year of 1999, what a lovely town
*A lot of American people always try to argue and to fight... what's your problem ? Find a real occupation !!!*
They need a re-visit. Liked!
Well done thanks for representing the people
Good job. New subscriber here. I like your cool calm demeanor. Keep it professional and let the idiots you will encounter make fools of themselves.
How are postal employees so uneducated while feeling they are so important when they need to just deliver envelopes!!!
Yeah it doesn't take a genius to sort mail etc but they seem to screw it up some how. lol Most of them have no clue what their own policies and procedures - poster 7 is must less the laws and constitution. 😆
She reads the rules and regs and is still ignorant !! Maybe she cant read and needs pictures to help her understand.
I think auditors should bring a copy of Poster 7 to post offices with the "newsgathering" paragraph highlighted with them!
💪💪💪 Good job man!
where are the po po?
Notice their dock doors left open. How easy would it be for someone to enter this office without their knowledge? All entry doors at Postal facilities are to be secured and locked.
The dock door leading to out LLV's has been broken for almost 2 years at my office. The doors won't even shut all the way, much less lock. Management could not care less.
Management does a facility security and safety/health inspection annually. This is when those deficiencies should be reported and corrected. If reported, they have a timeframe to be corrected and is monitored by the Safety Office. The Postmaster must be falsifying their reports. There is a form for employees to report safety deficiencies and should be available on the workroom floor. Safety is everyone’s responsibility. An email to your POOM might be necessary.
Hey thanks! I'll inquire about it in the morning, bc I have been blatanlty lied to by management before, and only learned when I asked the union/another senior carrier. There are simply too many things to ignore at this point (not that one should). Thanks again!
they have to create their own privacy
Treat those public servants like servants. When they try to push you around you need to push back. You can be polite while being more firm. Bring the bass
Why are they all so certain that you can't record in the post office? Are they being told this by someone? They all seem completely convinced. It's really strange.
While it's good that you are shining light on these postal workers not being adequately trained on the rights allowed on post office premises, there are instances in this video where you are actually in the wrong.
While you are correct about being allowed to film in the entrances, lobbies, foyers, corridors, and auditoriums of the post office - Poster 7 (at 5:02), which is derived from Title 39 CFR § 232.1 (Conduct on postal property), states that you are allowed to do so "Except as prohibited by official signs or the directions of security force personnel or other authorized personnel, or a Federal court order or rule."
Now I didn't see any security officers or the local postmaster tell you to stop, so you're good there - but the part I'm looking at where there seems to be trouble is the "...Federal court order or rule." portion.
In "Ward v. Rock Against Racism (1989)", the United States Supreme Court ruled that restrictions/regulations can be placed on the practicing of any freedom (be it freedom of speech or press), as long as it's "...narrowly tailored to serve the government’s legitimate content-neutral interests but does not need to be the least restrictive or the least-intrusive means of doing so."
Basically what that means is a restrictive regulation must "[promote] a substantial government interest that would be achieved less effectively absent the regulation." An example would be that filming customers of the post office could be restricted if filming disrupted general post office activities. Since the post office is designed to ensure the public can send mail, the process of sending mail is priority. If the filming is interrupting that process, then the government interest is being achieved less effectively.
Now the reason I bring this all up is the USPS does indeed have such restrictive regulations in play. By going to the USPS official website and looking at the "Rights and Permissions" section they have available, you'll see that under the Photography section,
"Informal pictures taken with a handheld camera for personal use are allowable at the discretion of the Postmaster. Photos cannot disrupt operations and must take place in publicly accessible areas. No prior permission is required from the Office of Rights and Permissions.
For taking informal pictures, you may not:
-Set up lighting or scaffolding
-Include USPS employees, customers, or mail
-Depict security cameras
Any personal photography that does not follow the guidelines listed above, causes undo disruption, or raises potential or real security concerns can be restricted by the Postmaster."
Looking at your video again, there are several instances of you capturing footage of USPS employees and customers, and looking at the 2:21 mark, there appears to be a security camera at the upper right corner of the building - meaning that you can't be filming these sections due to it violating the regulations the USPS has on Informal Photography.
Now the reason I'm classifying this video as "Informal" is that in the "Professional Photographs" section of their Rights and Permissions, it's stated that,
"Pictures taken on Postal Service premises require a License or Location Agreement, whether for commercial or non-commercial use. This includes professional photographers, documentary filmmakers, student photographers, student filmmakers, and nonprofits."
And I'm taking a leap here and guessing that a License/Location Agreement wasn't obtained before filming started.
Anyway, once again - I think it's good that you're helping to shine a light on postal workers not being properly trained or educated on the rights we as citizens have on their premises, but on that same token - we as citizens also have to take it upon ourselves to become knowledgeable on what our rights and how we can properly practice them - because so often is it the case that we learn all about them when we get in trouble.
Hope that all helps you in future audits. Thanks for reading!
Hey I live there! And that guys delivered my mail before
Just found you from CRA audits. Just subbed. What body cam are you using and how is the quality?
My body cam is a Rexing p1 it takes decent video. If you watch my greenville video I actually switch to it for a few after police arrive.
@@jason43324 Kind of you to reply. I'm going to buy one. Thanks!
Legal or illegal all you're doing is causing trouble for no good reason
You must be trolling lol this is are rights your fucking around with
WHAT IS GOING ON ? WHO ARE THESE RUBES THAT QUESTION
A GROWN MAN ? ASKING WHAT HE'S DOING AND AFTER HE
TELLS THEM, THEN THEY WANT TO KNOW WHY, WTF😵.
Lol... gatta love when people are confident in their ignorance.
When they say they need your consent you might need to remind them that they are PUBLIC EMPLOYEES and we have the right to check up on them. They work for you. They can't tell you not to do something that is your god given right. You're the boss, you have to believe you are the boss and act accordingly.
Ps. Inform them that the supreme court has upheld in SMITH v CITY OF CUMMINGS, your right to record public employees in the course of their duties
Seems like there's a few other useful options to earn a living than making youtube videos. Seriously, no "1A Auditors" would be doing what they're doing if it wasn't for the possibility of making some money from it. The general public doesn't care if you can record in "public places" because that's not what a normal adult does. There's other useful ways to be productive. And, really, "1A auditing" doesn't change a thing in the real world except for adding to the "auditors" ever present criminal history.
Thank you … this is actually pathetic ….
Ding ding ding. They’re depending on the controversy.
Upon immediate contact postal workers rude, demeaning, disrespectful, condescending, unprofessional, uneducated, repeatedly make false statements. Argumentative, verbally threatening (call police) rather than being approachable, welcoming, pleasant, knowledgeable (as postal clerk at central counter) throughout contact
employees are not allow to take photo and filming
Just because you have the right to do something, doesn't mean you should. It's about respecting other people's privacy
Cool vid. So much useful info here. My life is changed forever. 🤣 What a freakin knob.
Everything that guy said is wrong. Wow
Are you talking about this being a quarantine City like Rockville and twinbrook?
year on poster 7 ? great audit, stay safe
So you can see how carrying a heavy mail bag every day can affect a thought process..."It's government property , but it's private property"....hahahaha....
Please educate yourself …
People like this Jerk Carrier is the reason the USPS is failing. He's definitely a Biden Voter. The USPS Union tells you you have to vote Democrat. I never did. I voted Republican and the Big Shots didn't like it.
@@SteenyBean There's a new memo from USPS giving direction on how to behave when there are people on property recording..Anybody that wants to do that would be behooved to copy it and hand it out if there is a contact...
@@4catsnow I guess it’s too much to hope normal, well adjusted American citizens would have much more important daily tasks other than harassing their local post office … it’s harassment plain and simple… just because you can do redundant irritating things doesn’t mean you should … I can assure you there’s nothing nefarious going on around the corner … go spotlight some failing politician whos salary we actually pay because your taxes don’t pay the USPS … but people like this don’t want change or a REAL arrest, they just want your money
@@jebbthetrainkid1281 where and when we’re you told you HAD to vote democratic? Please explain
Make the clerk tell you about the survey when they hand you the receipt 😬
Just tell them you are a first amendment auditor from the beginning. That way you don't draw attention to yourself with suspicious behavior.
Workers don’t want to be filmed getting paid for not doing their job. The post office customer service needs the be improved for some reason a lot of government workers only care about the paycheck not the customers.
Good one !!
Read poster 7, you need permit to take photo or film. Please read.
Hey SUP…👍🏻👍🏻
In training we are taught that people can even stand in the lobby and record and we can't do anything about it. Having said that, what is the purpose of this channel?
rumor has it postal clown is still looking for those so called federal laws 🤔
Where's the loudmouth postal worker from the start of the video who thought he knew everything? LOL
Love how employee just made up tons of stuff. So full of BS.
Wow
your are not supposed to head 1st park and you are supposed to curb ur wheels you learn these 2 rules day 1 notice how the LLV next to him was backed in
What is so secret about a couple of dumpsters.
*0:22** Please, try to pronounce it correctly...*
who is the person giving directives at 755? no name tag , no uniform shirt
They can’t record unless permission from the post master. These people need to get a job and stop harassing
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Well done
IMO> Bullies need to know what their talking about before they sound off? if you don't want people to use their first amendment rights, close your dam door or post legal signs? How long has the rules governing what's allowed on postal properties been there, and not one of them have read their one page poster?
Here ,Is the idiocy of what they're saying,you can't video through an open door or video federal employees from a public area.So you can't video the president,the Whitehouse ,or any other Federal building in plain view from public.
We have are own little kingdom here I daire you invade us . Go figure !
The employee who sold you the stamp was so rude. She was rude to the customer who confirmed you could film. How sad. Manners cost nothing.
what's the point in doing this?
is that all you have to do Do something productive
There is no reason to do the post office. We all have been there. There is no value to do this. I like my post office. They are not even funded by tax payers they make There money through postage. I can't support you on this one!
After watching these vids for over 5yrs, i cant believe that in late 2022, there is so many uneducated postal workers out there. Just more entitled govt workers. Disappointing and pathetic.
Pathetic the guy filming is pathetic I don't get it . What's the point and who gives a crap .
I don't get why people don't his, like just trying to make a scene lol
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