Iron Leaves is Here, and it’s NOT GREAT. What Happened?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- Pokemon Competitive Singles now has access to Paradox Virizion, also known as Iron Leaves, and it has joined Iron Jugulis and Iron Thorns in the Underwhelming Robots Society. I eagerly await the day that this Pokemon Leaves OU. It doesn't even have Leaves, it's made of Metal, it's an unnatural being. This is an outrage.
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Some will never figure out how to get Iron Leaves in Pokemon Scarlet and Pokemon Violet. But famous player Jim Cool is well aware of the Best Iron Leaves Moveset in Competitive, and even how to Iron Leaves Shiny Farm. Many aren't and never will be. That's just the unfortunate reality of the world. Iron Leaves is available in the game and Jim knows where to obtain Iron Leaves. It's true. And you won't read this either. You won't see any of it. You're none the wiser.
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Correction: You can get Walking Wake and Iron Leaves in both versions. My mistake!
I mean, under that definition, the only version exclusives are Koraidon and Miraidon
@@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500 well that's fairly correct
@@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500 and only the ones you can ride anyway
No all the base game paradox mons are versions exclusives
it’s gonna be uubl
Verizon wireless being bad surprised no one
Woah woah, put respect on Verizon, Virizion on the other hand…
“Bad” is an exaggeration
My psychic dung beetle will destroy Iron Leaves. :P
Um, what? Verizon is one of the few decent providers
@IceBlueLugia there's only like 3 providers
Walking Wake feels like it was carefully designed from the ground up to be an incredibly valuable Pokemon in just about any situation. Iron Leaves feels like it was hastily cobbled together with no real thought behind it besides being WW's Foil.
It feels like Iron Thorns... it more or less mirrors the original's stats (Virizion) but lacks the moves that it honestly NEEDS to stay up, which funnily enough mirrors Virizion
Wake is based on a water type (historically great) and Leaves is based on a grass type (historically shit). GF had their hands tied as far as viability goes, unless they wanted to give Leaves something dumb like grassy terrain+grassy glide.
OTOH the artistic design is dogshit (i.e. like most other future mons), it's just a robot virizion.
@@doomknightsepulchureyes water is better than grass, but that's beyond the point. They made it worse for themselves by making the dual type enhance their gap even farther. Water is notoriously an excellent combination with dragon, and meanwhile grass is notoriously a dogshit combination with psychic.
Geez. Iron Jugulis moment.
@@doomknightsepulchure I wish they did more with the future Pokémon than just turning them into robots. It would’ve been more interesting if some of them were mutated as a result of pollution or genetically engineered to be optimal like Mewtwo.
I wish paradoxes had some kind of hidden ability cause iron leaves BEGS to have sharpness as its ability
Same with Iron Hands so badly wanting Iron Fist for the powerful Electric STAB he so badly desires.
A sadistic side of me also wants to see Valiant getting Download, but I feel like that would just lead to it becoming Genesect 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Virizion Wirelsss certainly won’t survive in OU, but I think it might become the Iron Valiant of UU, especially with a Choice Scarf.
Wouldn't this Virizion have wires tho
In theory, if you can make its Speed higher than its Attack, you can run Booster Energy and get that boost to Speed without needing to be locked into one move.
Of course, it'll also mean you only get the boost once, but it's still an option.
slither wing
>slither wing looks at it funny
>it fucking dies
UUBL is it's destiny, it's way too strong for UU imo
Design wise, unless you like "it's just this pokemon but a robot," you'll always get the short end of the stick with Violet. Meta relevancy wise even, it seems that big beefy ancient sun teams of Scarlet outclass the fast tiny future electric teams of Violet (excluding Bundle who was so fast it ran straight into a ban hammer)
This is what I find frustrating!
They're not that far off design wise. Just like the future paradoxes are "pokemon but robot", the past paradoxes are "same pokemon but dinosaur", and if the former is uninspired, then so is the latter.
@@bluekirby_64 dinosaurs >>> robots
your wrong
@@bluekirby_64 but there's the difference. One of them is a significant change like elegant dog to primal lizard. The other is just deer to deer _but with metal._ Most of the past paradoxes change a significant amount of the original pokemon to make them stand out with the two exceptions being Flutter Mane and Scream Tail which just look like Game Freak said "turn Jigglypuff and Misdreavus into a punk rock band." The future paradoxes on the other hand barely change anything except for Miraidon who's a box art legendary, Valiant who is the only paradox across the board that is a combo of two pokemon and even still doesn't change any more than Great Tusk does with Donphan's design, and Iron Treads who although has the most unique design out of all of them is still widely considered outclassed by Great Tusk in terms of design
Bundle indeed just straight up ran to get new prey
We have Iron Leaves
We have Iron Thorns
We need future Roserade called Iron Roses
Yo
Iron flower
Iron roots
Iron stem
Iron seed
A Poison/Psychic iron roses would be badass
@@boop53 True poison/electric or poison/fairy would be dope too
Dark/Fairy would make it absolutely amazing
I think Iron Leaves will be great in UU, it has a lot of great strengths, but also some pretty significant weaknesses and OU is definitely pretty hostile to it because of that. In UU’s a lot of those weaknesses are more manageable as well as having its strengths becoming more prominent
“Iron hands will be great in UU”
The two banded first impressions in my pocket:
@@tempestgreen1125 hands ?
Isnt being weak to lokix, tinkaton and slither wing a really Bad thing tho?
@@RockHoward256 yes
yes it is
You mean the UU tier where two of the highest usage offensive mons are first impression users? If anything, its weaknesses in OU are more manageable since the meta is pretty light on dark or bug types.
50% issue is with its dual typing itself
Fr, they should’ve just made it steel/grass or fairy/grass. Psychic is a wack ass type nowadays.
@@CMiY0 so true, honestly, even regular grass fighting would have been okayish, i wouldnt have been dissaponted
@@cubeophilic.x7301 I was thinking steel/grass with a 80 base power steel move that’s 120 in e.terrain. Its special ability is that it hits all types resistant to it for neutral damage. That would make it epic.
@@CMiY0 damn that sounds nice
@@CMiY0 It's basically just an inferior Fairy type at this point.
Loved to see the NathanLikesChicken shoutout, he makes great AAA content. Iron Leaves is a huge disappointment, but I did see someone point out that it at least benefits from all 3 types of terrain, which goes a bit of a way towards making up for electric terrain being garbage to set up.
Pokemon home team with all the tapus and iron plant
Nearly everyone benefits from Grass (but also STAB Terrain)
STAB Psychic Terrain
Quark Drive + Psyblade on Electric (Psyblade gets a smaller boost on Psychic than Electric)
Everybody forgets about Misty Terrain (Fairy)
@@nerddwarf I did 100% forget about Misty Terrain lol. I guess it prevents Iron Leaves from being paralyzed or burned, which would potentially ruin a sweep, so you could still make a kind of argument. I just thought it was a neat observation, kind of like how WW benefits from both Rain and Sun
@@AveragePearEnjoyer That legit sounds like a hilarious meme team tho, I'd watch a video of someone trying to make that work
Future paradox versions are thematically fitting with software upgrades. You actually think your software only gets better but it actually gets 10 new bugs and turns out worse as a result
Iron Bundle: 😈
That's Porygon 2 into Porygon-Z
As a lower tier main, I´m just happy to have a new RU staple.
Yeah, the biggest problem of Future Paradoxes and their Quark Drive is that you really only have Miraidon (Which is in AG) and, as you mentioned, Pincurchin as the only two ways to set up Electric Terrain. If in the DLC Tapu Koko does return that's where the Future Paradoxes might finally be able to work as a (joke unintentional) Well Oiled Machine.
It's inevitable that all past Legends will return at some point in Gen 9. It was proven since Gen 6 through the use of some gimmicks
Kinda odd that Paradoxes of Suicune/Virizion were in the game, where their original basis is absent
@@naturalharmoniagropius4486 same thing with toedscool line with tentacool line being absent
I really hope Koko gets Play Rough but with our luck, it's either going to get banned somehow or just not get Play Rough
@@eliyaskiya This but Tapu Bulu
I think it's cool how P.Suicune benefits from Rain & Sun while conversely F.Verizion can benefit from every terrain type.
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Why would anyone regret getting the cooler bike?
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Grass steel would have been a way better typing for it
Grass/Steel prolly would have made it too good lmao
@@alexanderreid8251 exactly 😂
I’m still mad they made it slower than Virizion
"pokemon violet needed a win this time"
*iron bundle being an absolute meance to society*
Yeah, but that one's tied by Flutter Mane also being an absolute menace. Both games got one.
Gen 9 theme: "how we make grass mons having quad weaknesses"
Especially to Bug, lol
I mean it's not like we havent had good grass types with quad weaknesses before (breloom ,ferrothorn )
Breloom and Ferrothorn are exceptions simply because one is a swords dance priority sweeper and Ferrothorn is a Unovan tank. Furthermore, they abide by classic Pokémon problematic trends, not modern Pokémon problematic trends.
Kartana does not count as it is meant to be part of a powerful group.
Would Florges technically count as a grass type? Even though it's pure fairy.
imagine if terrakion was the future paradox instead with a ground type move boosted by electric terrain (or maybe cobalion as a ground/steel with the same move, considering he's the "leader" of the swords of justice)
We did see entei and coballion in the trailers so hopefully we get all three of each
@@andrewflores8729 Wait did we? Which trailers? The DLC Ones?
Violet gang keep takin Ls.
Scarlet gang suffering from success.
If I knew they would screw over Violet this much, I would have chose Scarlet instead
All it took for a form of Delibird to be good was the competitive viability of all its other future paradox forms. And if not that simply because at least most have a niche except Iron Leaves, it also took the designs being bad for a form of Delibird to be good competitively.
@@spence6195 imagine getting the lame robot game over the cool animal game.
both mid but you did this to yourself huhu.
Actually the hilarious thing almost every Violet player when the games first were announced and released, chose Violet because of the Professor and Ceruledge.
@@MikeTheEnforcer yeah i remember too, initially i was gonna go Violet for gigachad prof' and that anime knight, but the paradoxes are far far cooler in Scarlet.
Also i mean hot caveman mommy aint bad too.
I'm happy I got Violet for the most part, even if my primary choice on that front was that I liked Miridon more than Koridon. As for the rest of the future paradox mons, regardless of stats, I wish more of them took the design concept of Iron Valiant, which visually is my favorite of all the paradox mons.
This is an unpopular opinion, but personally I think the past paradoxes generally look worse than the future ones. The future ones are boring, but they're not necessarily *bad*. Meanwhile, a lot of the past paradoxes look kind of... ugly, in my opinion. I much prefer the boring but inoffensive future paradoxes.
That being said, the past paradoxes that do look good slap hard, like Great Tusk.
@@vulturesalesman Most of the past ones have grown on me, the ones I don't like are like Scream Tail or Flutter Mane. Great Tusk is fantastic, and I kinda wish that instead of paradox, they had gone with something like the 'level up with ancient power' for several of the past paradoxes.
They really made clear that Iron Leaves would suck when they gave it Grass/Psychic
I think the point was to make a “Terrain abuse the Pokémon” just like Walking Wake is “Weather Abuse the Pokémon”. Benefiting from every terrain and power boosts from 3 of them is potentially powerful- we just need better terrain setters. Iron Leaves is different in a meta where the Tapus are on virtually every team. It will be different in VGC formats with legal Miraidon.
Also Violet players DEFINITELY did not get the short end of the stick-- if you play the actual games, you'll know. As Raid Bosses, Walking Wake is WAY easier to beat, and can be crushed easily by standard raid builds like Azumarril and Iron Hands (Violet exclusive...) even with bad random players. Add insult to injury, Violet's Miraidon can do a 2-3 turn setup to OHKO WW making it very easy to attain for Violet users. Scarlet players on the other hand... got HOSED. Because with Swords Dance and Electric Terrain, Iron Leaves is an insane Boss fight harder to defeat than most 7* Raids. With SD + Terrain Boost mows down most resists pretty easily, with teams of Kingambit's, Scizors, and Goldhengo's just getting cut down. In a Violet Solo Raid with sufficient prep, it is pretty reasonable to beat-- but if you are Scarlet player trying to catch it online in a raid hosted by Violet with terribly weak newbs (of which there are MANY since the raid offers almost no replay appeal for veteran raiders b/c limited to 1 catch and terrible item drops) it is an absolute nightmare to bring down.
TLDR Violet players have a way way WAY easier time getting both than Scarlet players.
Iron leaves is getting fucked up by spidops first impression fr fr
I was looking at the comments when you said 80% weren’t subscribed. Went to check for a second to make sure I wasn’t in that I’ve been watching for a second now LOL
Walter White vs Walt Whitman is crazy
This is just like Iron Treads. Good in Ubers because of the electric terrain up almost all the time thanks to Miraidon, underwhelming in OU but still gets much more usage than it deserves, would be great in Ubers, etc
In simple words Iron Leaves is the new Iron JUGULIS
Still way better than jugulis. At least it can boost itself and none of its moves can miss
Iron Comes
Iron Leaves
I personally like iron leaves a bit more than walking wake, I'm using it in ou and I'm having good success with it and hisui zoroark. Overall I wish it had a better design but I'm happy with it
It's ok for a pokemon to be good, while not being good in OU. There are 49 pokemon in OU+ubers. Making it into UU or RU isn't a mark of shame--it'd still be very much above average.
Thanks Jimothy
So I think the reason they made Iron Leaves a Grass/Psychic type was to give it boosted attacks in all 3 power-boosting terrains. Since Electric Terrain is the one that goes with the future paradox mons, they had that set aside to artificially boost the power of Psyblade, so then you have STAB Psyblade getting naturally boosted on Psychic Terrain and STAB Grass boosted on Grassy Terrain. (Misty Terrain is excluded because it doesn't boost the power of any type of attack.) In that sense, it becomes a counterpart to Walking Wake, whose Hydro Steam is boosted in both rain and sun.
Unfortunately, in the process, they gave Iron Leaves a terrible dual-typing. Welp.
If iron leaves was grass steel instead, it would have been much better
But what would its signature move be then ? 80 to 120 BP steel only under terrain ? That sounds terrible ngl. Way less offensive potency as well.
Other than that yeah insane defensive typing
@@lessgochamp646 80 bp physical steel move that goes up go 120 base power under any/every terrain. Includes psychic, grassy, electric, and fairy terrain. Makes it a good tapu counter if/when they are released
I think it's a neat Pokemon, but Scarlet players definitely got the better end (not regretting picking Violet though because I enjoy my robots very much).
Competitively, it's likely either the 2nd worst or straight up, the worst future paradox form
Why do I have a very odd feeling this thing might even be RU
Highly doubt it’ll last like 2 min in there before getting quick banned
Not helping Iron Leaves is its confusingly shallow movepool. Its only physical Psychic move is Psyblade, no Zen Headbutt even though its a TM. It doesn't get Stone Edge like regular Virizion, no EQ / Stomping Tantrum, Iron Head, Throat Chop, or Play Rough. For some reason it doesn't learn Psyshock, or even Psychic the move. It's not like Wobbuffet or Unown who are weirdos who play a different game, or even a case like Alolan Sandslash not learning Ice Beam due to its pitiful Sp. Atk. Base 70 is average. It's like they were struggling to come up with a secondary type for it, put a bunch of names in a hat, and pulled Psychic. Walking Wake also has a bit of an oddball movepool, but at least it has just enough to excel. Iron Leaves might actually be the most scuffed Pokemon of all time
Psyblade is not boosted by sharpness yet but should be very soon
I kept pondering upon the text bubble in the thumbnail.
"Where's the pun?"
"Oh."
I watch through the whole video every time so I can laugh at the ending song
Scarlet gang keeps winning
Also what do you think about Hisuian Zoroark now that it's actually usable in game and has its PLA stats? I feel the bump from 105 to 110 speed will come in handy as more Pokémon get added, being able to outspeed the likes of Blacephelon, Kartana, Walking Wake, Keldeo, Enamorus Ugly Forme and tie with the Lati@s twins and Gengar seems it'll be really good as an offensive threat once your disguise is blown. The added 5 to base special attack is also a bit nice to have
Iron Leaves is suffering from lack of Tapu Koko.
It is also worth noting that this Gen introduced Ice Spinner, which is seen as a fairly common physical Ice coverage move, but it’s also super effective against Iron Leaves while also destroying electric terrain which is what gives this thing any kind of real niche
And yes I do regret buying Violet
Not just Koko Electric Terrain that it will benefit Iron Leaves but the other Tapu’s terrains. Psychic Terrain not get hurt by Sucker Punch and boost Psyblade’s power. Grassy Terrain helping recover a bit while Boosting the power of Leaf Blade. And Misty Terrain to not get status.
In my personal opinion, Iron Leaves did got the same treatment as Walking Wake but the major issue is that GF didn’t realize that Terrain abilities are less common than Weather abilities. And I don’t think the Tapus were in the leaked list of returning Pokemon but it could change.
Me, justifying my Pokémon Violet purchase: “You got Iron Bundle, you got Iron Bundle, you got Iron Bundle…”
At least design-wise, I really like Iron Leaves ( better than Walking Wake ). Iron Leaves is entire based on Virizion which I like the most out of the SoJ and they didn't really change it's design. They just added a metal coat which just makes it look sharper and sleeker which I like. Virizion already had a cool design and by barely changing anything, it just looks better.
Yeah same here. I also like how it's iron coat looks like an armor. It's kind of hard to see on the artwork but on the 3d model you defenelty can see this armor-like coat. And also i hated virizion's 3d model, iron leaves has way better stance
They really need more OU Pokémon that can set Electric Terrain
I think Psyblade needs to have its own identity and not just be a direct counterpart to Hydro Steam, especially when it's kind of at a bit of an unfair disadvantage, because Hydro Steam turns what is normally a *bad* situation for a water move into a *good* one, while Psyblade only turns a *neutral* Psychic-move situation into a good one.
Plus, other mons have gotten psychic moves that I honestly think are better anyway, which just feels weird to me (Lumina Crash, Esper Wing, Expanding Force, Mystical Power, arguably Twin Beam in some situations)
I love Iron Leaves cause of its animations in game, it becomes helicopter with its blades and just like the other future Pokémon in camp it just becomes happy sometimes and I think it’s adorable.
Also it’s either dominating UU forever or getting banned. The two best fire types legit JUST got banned.
Im in a monotype tournament and it learns smart strike, which is specifically relevant as a counter to alolan ninetales that no other grass type can do
Outside of this very niche context its got nothing, but in that specific role it is unmatched (aside from max special attack tera fire shiftry heat wave, deep cut techs in the mono grass community)
Scarlet players just keep winning and it's wonderful
Oh yeah, complete unbalance between games is a good thing, yeah. That's how it works. As much ah stupid dragon like charizard still gets more love then other Kanto starters it didn't deserve.
Me before watching: oh iron leaves can't be that bad, pretty much and legendary can find their use bar regigigas and Articuno.
Me after watching: *IRON* leaves is a psychic type. I was expecting offensive ferrothorn. But no, they get two of the worse typings not named ice and bug. Yeah they kinda murdered this legend.
I struggled on the raid iron leaves
Going from Iron Valiant (one of the greatest mixed attackers in the franchise’s history) to this thing is extraordinarily disappointing.
They struck gold with Iron Moth and Iron Valiant both design-wise and performance-wise, and Iron Hands isn’t too bad on either front either, but this thing leaves (heh) a lot to be desired. This is just another decently fast Swords Dancer, except this one comes with an unsalvageably bad typing.
yoooo love me some AAA.
nathan’s a great resource for the tier, but i think you could probably make a pretty rad vid on it too
This guy might actually be fairly decent if Koko was in the game. It gives the electric terrain archetype a decent ground type counter
I feel like it could be a good partner with Koko once Koko is back. It's nice that it's a E-terrain mon not weak to ground.
Once again, the Past Paradox Pokemon proves to be superior than the Future one.
Problem with Iron Leaves is that it has a very bad defensive typing. Its lacks a very potent stab outside terrain (best being base 90). I think Iron Leaves could have a home in OU (maybe even ubers) if Tapu Koko comes to S/V as it could make Iron Leaves a Kartana on roids due to the terrain causing Iron Leaves' attack to be functionally 170 (in comparison, Rampardos base attack is 165). Walking Wake has a pretty good defensive typing and access to the best stab in the game (Draco Meteor). Walking Wake can hit most of the meta with at least neutral damage with its stab. Its signature move thrives in the sun (120 power with 100 accuracy). Walking Wakes high special attack stat makes it a good terra choice due to its less than optimal coverage.
Imagine it being a physical attacker with that type lol
Cool video, also Great shoutout
The fact they managed to give Virizion a worse typing than what it already had is impressive. It’s like a wannabe Grass/Fighting type but without any of the advantages (STAB, resistances to common types, etc) of being Fighting type. Bug (usually U-Turn), Ghost, and Dark type attacks are much more common in OU than Flying and Psychic type attacks so the Psychic typing isn’t doing it any favors for the most part.
I think you are absolutely correct. For someone like myself who loves Violet more than Scarlet, Violet needs more attention.
I hope if they give us more new paradox Pokemon in the dlc (and I am going to be extremely disappointed if they don’t especially that the dlc is mostly focused on Area Zero) they give the future forms much better competitive wise.
I am pretty sure Gamefreak reacted to the fan base and said “Oh, because most people love the ancient forms we are going to say ‘f it we are going to forget the future again!’”.
This to me is extremely unfair. I am one of the rare who actually loves the future forms more than the ancient forms (that and Miraidon are the reasons why I chose Violet) and the fact that a decent amount of are pretty underwhelming competitively makes me cry sadly. Not to mention I sometimes get mad when I here people criticise the future forms being all robots. That’s supposed to be the point of the future forms.
Edit: I think Gamefreak needs to take a break with the ancient forms being broken.
Dinosaur Suicune is 100x cooler than Mcdonalds toy Virizion
I wonder if the other Legendary Beasts and Swords of Justice will get paradoxes, and be able to fuse all together, meaning the drawings in the scarlet/violet books are not wrong
Would be cool if we could fight a raid boss in the dlc that is the other three(or two if we don't count Keldeo) swords of justice and if we bring Iron Leaves together we get a future form that is all of the four/three together that could be called ironized justice or something like that
Electric terrain is really hindered by the fact that it’s only abusers are Hawlucha, quark drive mons, and the 1 OU electric type in rotom wash. Whereas sun has every fire type, half of all grass types, every mon that wants to use fire coverage to break through a wall and the photosynthesis mons.
I feel like, outside of bolt beam, fire is just a better offensive type, due to not being completely ignored by ground types.
I think there's something you're forgetting here. Rotom wash has levitate, so it doesnt even get to take advantage of the perks that terrains could could provide it. So therefore if you do want to run an electric type with pinurchin you now have 2 pokemon weak to ground types, which are just about everywhere.
@@vibe6223 ahh shit you’re right. I just looked at OU for electric types and rotom wash was literally the only one
Iron Leaves is meant to be stuck as a Tera Raider since Walking Wake is THAT good competitively, as well as both of them being a worthy 5 star raid filler between the 2 runs of 7 star raids since I personally NEVER update Poké Portal news to try getting more Ability Patches via defeating both the 6 & 7 star raid.
How to fix iron leaves:
Make it a steel/grass type
Change its signature move to be a steel type move with the same effects.
Change its stats to be
70 Hp
130 Atk
88 Def
104 Sp Atk
90 Sp Def
108 Spe
It is now a slightly bulky, fast, mixed attacker that is much more unique and can use its good movepool to its advantage
Common Scarlet W, Common Violet L
I hate this pokemon so much to be honest the biggest disappointment ever
They should've made paradox forms for the other 2 swords of justice 😭😭
They probably would have made a Rock/Ice Terrakion if they tried again, and then a horrible Fighting/Ground Cobalion just to rub salt in the wound. Honestly, it is not worth it to expect anything more.
To further insult to injury, they would have made a Water/Ground version of Keldeo far worse than Whiscash.
They gave it bad type, mid move pool, mid stats, and worse ability (no good E-Terrain setters) also very disappointing design
i think that for one of your videos where the subject is a pokemon that often terastallizes into the flying type that the thumbnail should say "tera flying? thats terrifying..." i think that would be pretty funny and cool
Walking Wake was like a gift bestowed onto us, well designed both visually and competitively, it’s a fun new Pokémon that’s both exciting to use and plenty strong, while still answerable and not totally broken
Leaves really just exists and doesn’t do anything
Yet another mon that's was made absolutely terrible because they made it a psychic type instead of a fairy type.
Imagine if iron thorns has electric surge as a hidden ability? Hell lets give it hadron engine instead for the fun of it.
I do like the pokemon, but that dual type is truly a damn shame. 4x weakness to uturn is just so brutal, especially if you're a singles player. It definitely has some potential with booster energy, swords dance, leaf blade/trailblaze, psyblade, and tera blast fire/fighting or whatever else you wanna run to avoid its typing. Having to use your 1 tera just to make your pokemon not dogwater is pretty bad though, and completely frees up your opponent to counter you hard. I guess it could be okay on teams that run pincurchin and 5 future mons too I guess
The only thing I like about iron leaves is that it's a fun little goober in picnic
I LOVE iron leaves because it’s derived from the graceful Verizion
I think some of the Paldean Pokemon deserved to have the terrain surges as abilitys, or at least some kind of variation like Seed Sower
Farigiraf would be very cool with the Psychic one
Kilowattrel could have a form of usage
And just by not having other fairy common, giving it to Dachsbun
I strongly believe Iron Leaves' problem is either:
-The typing, it should have been Psychic/Fighting
-They chose the worst Sword of Justice member
-,Electric terrain being (at this moment) basically unusable
-All of the above
soooooo
What if Virizions ability and move activate in, PSYCHIC TERRAIN?
It blocks Sucker Punch and Shadow Sneak for it so its a bit harder to revenge kill, but its 120 Psyblade gets boosted further and it got the Tapu-Lele as a special wallbreaker as a partner to wreak havoc.
Even not, soon Koko is back and it can abuse electric terrain much better. But its a bit funny that this pokemon is much better in Psychic terrain. PS: Corvignight isnt an answer, just slot Wild Charge and here you go.
That walking wake though
pincurchin would have be decent if not for the fact that it lost rising voltage
Notification gang rise up
Im about 70% sure once tapukoko arrives from pokemon home, iron leavs will actually be some what more usable
Just commenting again that you have the best thumbnails ever
Gamefreak needs to give grass types better secondary types that actually complement them on the type chart. Grass has been paired with dark and psychic so much lately (Zarude, Calyrax, brute bonnet, and now iron leaves). I like that grass is getting love but they ought to pair it with types it works well with. Grass with electric, rock, steel, fire, or water would’ve been way more effective in terms of cancelling out weaknessses and making it a viable dual type for OU. I think they missed a huge chance to make a solid grass-electric type. That combination would be great since ground is immune to electric but weak to grass. Also imagine if it’s signature move was a strong physical electric attack with no down sides! That would be very valuable! Also electric would’ve smacked corvi and been a nice neutral hit on most steels while resisting gholdengos make it rain and not being weak tk ground as an electric type and to flying as a grass type which is dope. Sad missed opportunity. Hopefully future grass types get paired with types that make it better as opposed to make it more vulnerable. It’s not a great type on paper, but could make for a great combo when paired with the right type.
iron leaves is lame, common violet L.
at least we dont have fucking koraidon as our legendary though.
I'm sure that Pokemon did market research into which version of their game would be more popular and they knew that Violet would be the more popular pick so they decided to give Scarlett choosers better Pokemon although I still don't think that iron leaves is terrible and will probably be much better once we get an actually good to terrain setter for it
Picking Violet is one of my biggest mistakes I've ever made in pokemon... the only thing I don't regret is the riding form of the box legendary lol
There’s a big disconnect between past and future paradox mons. Past forms are these cool and unique primal spins on the original designs, the future forms are literally just the originals but a robot. Only halfway decent ones design wise are valiant, treads and I suppose bundle.
I want Gamefreak to give all paradox mons a hidden ability or true form that gives them an actual name and different ability. Iron Thorns should get Electric Surge to make him useful outside of Iron Hands and be the best access to making Future Paradox mons more common and viable. Iron Leaves could get Sharpness although they could also give that to Iron Valiant. Maybe Iron Valiant could get Adaptability. Iron Moth could get Solar Power, etc...
Iron Leaves is waiting for Tapu Koko to come back tbh. On paper it has a multitude of strengths, it just doesn't have enough support from good teammates (lol Pincurchin or manual terrain setting) to capitalize.
Wish they gave it Horn Leech, too. It's begging to use Life Orb after E-Terrain boosts it's Speed and Psyblade's BP. Koko U-turn into Leaves is going to be maddening because you almost never aim Knock Off into Koko.
Iron leaves seems like it can find good play on 2 on 2. Having focus sash Purcurchin as a support to put up spikes/toxic spikes or thunder wave and pretty much be a nuances to the enemy
I’m not holding out any hope that Violet will get a well designed paradox form. They all just seem to be “this pokemon but robot with terrain ability”
From Virizion to Verizon.
I’ve been having lots of fun in aaa showdown… harvest works with defensive somehow, intimidate,sharpness,fluffy (for better Tera abuser)
Two things, one purple is a cooler color than red so I'm happy purchasing violet, and two I only play on showdown anyway so it doesn't matter which game I bought.
what comes to mind when discussing iron leaves is just how bad psychic tends to be defensively nowadays. lots of other psychic types like scream tail, hatterene, slowbro, deo-d in natdex, and others would much rather have a better typing that resists fighting. it feels like fairy just kind of completely outclasses psychic nowadays, with psychic's only niche being able to hit toxapex and clodsire.