Its hard to judge this one....I dont think its anything to do with techniques or musicality anymore....this is just which style the viewer prefer, because both of you are devastatingly good. Keep doing whatever ya do bro.....:)
You know to be honest imma have to go with you Rob! Your iso's and your flexibility like the guy said earlier are outta this world! You both come completely different sides of the street different style's different everything phillip repeats moves and i know how hard that is cause iv'e been dancing for a little but i've seen video's of him doing the same thing, not excatly the same routine but same moves THUMBS UP ROB
Quick breakdown of reality for the people saying Robert is a better popper while Phillip is a better dancer. 1. Robert is a popper, that makes him a dancer 2. Waving, Tutting, hitting, and boogalo are all styles of popping 3. Roberts waves and tuts, although good and his hits are impressive, are not on par with Phillips thus making Robert not a better popper. In summation, Phillip is a better dancers because he's a better more versatile popper.
I'm diggin Mr Fantastic's hard clean hits. That's what popping is all about, if you ain't hitting, you ain't popping. Maybe Pacman should stick with commercial hip hop choreography.
I'm afraid you're a little off. While Pac is the better dancer, Fantastic is the better popper. There are things called "throwdown" and "getdown". Throwdown is tricks. Waves, tuts, isos, musicality, bonebreaking, etc. Getdown is the actual dance aspect of popping. It's when you dance to the music without doing tricks, BUT you also have to be hitting on beat while getting down. It's when you're really feeling the music. You also have to remember. This was a popping battle, not a dance battle.
listen guys, stop being fanboys and cussing people out. regardless of who is 'better', everyone will have their favorite. I myself like them both and am unable to pick just one. They both have skill
Pac man is going way harder then fantastic. you can see the intensity in his movements and in his flow. he goes from one concept to the nest clean and exciting. fantastic is taking it easy...so in my book thats a loss! both dancers are dope, but pac killed it!
Isn't this Robert Muraine's TH-cam channel? I know you may like one or another, but it's pretty rude to post such things on someone's videos especially considering your own relative skill compared to either of the competitors.
@VIZION2040: sorry bro, but locking and robot DID NOT start first... it was Boogalooin'. Locking started when Don Campbell did his style very awkwardly... hence he created the, "campbellock (or 'locking' as they call it now)."
@PYChamP i didnt say flexibility was popping. i just like the look of it when its used in popping. thats why i like robert better. it makes him more theatrical, which i like. soo dont go saying peoples opinions are garbage. there just opinions...
@PhillArSeNaL what do you mean short career ahead of him? the contracts he got for 2012 were officiated half way through last year, and then comes the factor that there are literally thousands of contractors waiting in line to book him. Robert is in Fucking germany now, in the past two years, he's toured America, India, and parts of China, and there are endless opportunities, and i don't think Robert is going into twilight any time soon
i think Roberts alot better than Phillip, mainly becAUse i like Roberts style more, but also because hes unique. phillip is still an amazing dancer, but he looks just like most other poppers of that genre when he dances...nothing really amazing and different... soo robert is better.
in my Opinion. Robert Muraine is The sickest Popper. and Philip Chbeeb is the sickest dancer :) you dont have to argue about whos the best. thats all folks!
hey when waz the last time u seen him dance because i watch alot of his vids n lately the choreo has been on da sick side. if he what ever he doin is workin. u sick to in my opinion its whether at the moment a person puts out the sickest in a battle because when it comes to battling even a tie isn't a tie that just means yall gonna have to see the next time yall battle or thier needs to be another round. but yall both good.
mr. fantastic is crazy flexible and can do some freaky moves, but pacman is just a better dancer. he has musicality and can win audiences without crazy gimmicks. i say pacman won...
that was just his opinion tho, the judges for the claws out 3 didnt announce ne winners, people can watch n make their own judgment...by the way ther is another claws out 4 this saturday, nov 14, from 6 till idk what time it ends, n its supposed 2 b much crazier than claws out 3!
no one is the best in this world i can't decide Pacman and Moon are sick when they're together Rob is unique but he is like showing his flexibility Anyway both of them are Americans
yeaaah it was a nasty song and rushed to be fare.. oo fare enuf i was jus wunderin what you thought about 1ST battle cuase i havnt her ur opinion bout it till now peace =]
Pacman moves way 2 fast so you can't tell how nice his moves are because you didn't see it long enough. Mr. Fantastic sells all his moves. The better man won that one.
on another note, i dont think pacman "studies" fantastic's moves...heobviously saw it before many times and he was probably annoyed when he saw it again so he was like "psshh.here he goes again..." BANG POW. lol, i mean, but their moves are crazy, they are both really sick dancers and im sure this isnt all of their potential. XD
i dont admit defeat, pacman isnt that good in my own opinion HONESTLY. he lacks technique, but then theres the argument, technique vs funk. i choose technique. so he lost IMO. plus it was to a horrible song with 10 second rounds, that wasnt a real battle, AT ALL.
After watching the two videos... I'm sorry to say Fantastic, but Pacman got this one. I'm being very unbiased, but Pacman just has variety and goes with the music. Funkstyling (as it is supose to be called.. not "popping") should have variety. I see alot of the same thing from SYTYCD.. that's the thing that sucked from both of you, but popping should always go with the music. Pacman did flow with it; therefore, he should have been the clear winner on this bout.
i dont know why people are saying that either is repetitive, how can someone be repetitive if it's their style of dancing...o.O//n e way, i think they are both really good dancers with different styles and views on the genre. also i think that even if fantastic is very repetitve, it's his hard hitting moves that still capture the audience. pacman, moves very fluidly, and quickly as well. not everyone can actually appreciate every style. battlers have to portray a lot despite what their style is
Yeah, Fantastic is a true freak, which I appreciate deeply but Pacman is a much better dancer and innovator. Some heads here say Fantastic is moving forward and still doing it. Hell yes! I just hope he is growing and moving beyond his core 'power moves'. As fer Pacman, He is already a funky muthufucker but I want to see him get some power moves. He's kinda like Sasha but need to go to the next level and drop some jaws. They both got skills though.
@VIZION2040: umm....:-/... hmm, I guess you are right on the definition of funkstylin'. Honestly, they are doing alot more than just popping: I see tuts, strobe, waving, and crazy legging. You can't really say that they are "popping" because they would be just ONE thing. Locking is a whole other monster. Boogaloo IS the first ever "popping". It's all about the funk, brah.
@llmrfantasticll - there's a big difference between not being quite as good as you and not being "that good." And honestly, he's much more of a dancer than you, in terms of using the music and punctuating its rhythm. You've got some insane flexibility and muscle control, and it's awesome to watch you, but I think you're really missing the mark if you're gonna go around saying things like "he lacks technique." So he can't twist his arm all the way around. Whoop de doo.
@lawlietROB Pacman's moves are "bad"? Have you ever danced a day in your life? xD His moves are hard as hell to pull off accurately like he does. Haha. I have a lot of respect for Mr. Fantastic, but overall, I feel Chbeeb is a better all around dancer. He can do more than just pop, and his choreo skills are pretty sick. Also, his hits are pretty hard for someone who isn't exclusively a popper. His iso's are on point, and his botting is sick. Last I checked, waving is under the style of popping.
I have to say that both of you are repeating the same move all the time, more Robert than Phillip, I can see Phillip trying to go with the music at least, ofc both of you are really nice in this thing, but, in Robert, every single move he did in this battle I can see in all his videos, he should try new moves acording to the music. Robert's moves are more realistic than Phillip, but Phillip is battling trying new things. I won't say who's the winner for me, I like Robert in the part 1.
@adamzez no offense but if your such a good dancer and obviously have a passion enough to go all the way to asia and dance then why the hell are you a stand up comedian?
I used to think phillip was the shit and best dancer ever, but now i realise his arm movements get boring after a while now im bord of them and yeah he does come up with more stuff but its only similar to wha he did be4 with his arm movements !!! fantastic hit hards aswell and after all it is a popping battle
Get of Pacman's sack.. MR. FANTASTIC WON. HARDER HITS. HE WAS ON BEAT... What else matters..? Seems like Pacattack only has one tempo..thats that "sped up" style of his...
@mason9236 i battle down in downtown cincinnati, but i dont post anything because i dont have a video recorder. but im done tlkin about this cuz no matter what i say your still going to think what you think and im going to think what im going to think.
@pj0hn90 The thing is popping fundamentals are hitting. If you're not hitting you're not popping. This is a popping battle and pac barely hits. Don't get me wrong he's nasty but fundamentally fantastic is actually a better popper. You can see in the tutting exchange.
@mason9236 wow that was a stupid comment. so what your saying is that only good ppl are famous, there are really good ppl out there that aren't discovered.
@PYChamP K whats with you goin around saying "you dont know about dancing" or "get outa here kid" wtf like seriously nobody cares if you think phillips better. so stop telling everybody there wrong if they say they like robert better.
@jmialma09 Bruce Lee was the greatest fighter in history, but he was an actor. I'm not saying I'm the greatest dancer in history. But I'm just saying that you needing to ask that question, obviously means you don't understand life. You are 17, Myself and probably everyone else won't take you seriously when you talk like you do.
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were there any judges there? or just like an exibition battle?
but quick question rob, do u admit defeat to the one that was on tv ?cuase im huge fan of u but the one on tv he did win in my opinion
after, this was the ACTUAL battle but "considered" a rematch, since we battled first on TV.
Its hard to judge this one....I dont think its anything to do with techniques or musicality anymore....this is just which style the viewer prefer, because both of you are devastatingly good.
Keep doing whatever ya do bro.....:)
You know to be honest imma have to go with you Rob! Your iso's and your flexibility like the guy said earlier are outta this world! You both come completely different sides of the street different style's different everything phillip repeats moves and i know how hard that is cause iv'e been dancing for a little but i've seen video's of him doing the same thing, not excatly the same routine but same moves THUMBS UP ROB
How much better do you think your technique is?
I don't know. I've gotta say I like Pacman better.
You're amazing, but he always impresses me a bit more.
Quick breakdown of reality for the people saying Robert is a better popper while Phillip is a better dancer.
1. Robert is a popper, that makes him a dancer
2. Waving, Tutting, hitting, and boogalo are all styles of popping
3. Roberts waves and tuts, although good and his hits are impressive, are not on par with Phillips thus making Robert not a better popper.
In summation, Phillip is a better dancers because he's a better more versatile popper.
did robert do the "FINGER" in his last move? the one with twisted hand? lol
I'm diggin Mr Fantastic's hard clean hits. That's what popping is all about, if you ain't hitting, you ain't popping. Maybe Pacman should stick with commercial hip hop choreography.
I'm afraid you're a little off. While Pac is the better dancer, Fantastic is the better popper. There are things called "throwdown" and "getdown".
Throwdown is tricks. Waves, tuts, isos, musicality, bonebreaking, etc.
Getdown is the actual dance aspect of popping. It's when you dance to the music without doing tricks, BUT you also have to be hitting on beat while getting down. It's when you're really feeling the music. You also have to remember. This was a popping battle, not a dance battle.
you both pwn u guys should open a school for poping. p.s. love the "milc" shirt lol
Different styles. More flashy movements from Pacman. Better musicality from Rob (we all know you can wow with flexibility :P). =]
listen guys, stop being fanboys and cussing people out. regardless of who is 'better', everyone will have their favorite. I myself like them both and am unable to pick just one. They both have skill
to be honest I kinda wondered what it would be like if you pac and moon did something together. but i was just wondering lol.
both were extremely good . plain and simple
What's the songs guys please tell me I would really appreciate it thx :)
9 years late! but I was the DJ!
1 o Bryan- I’m freaky
2 nasty rock
3 ready got the world - oh Sheila
haha phillip admitted defeat after the battle happened. i felt like i won, but this battle wasnt judged.
If it's a popping battle, Mr. Fantastic wins everytime. However, Pacman is the better dancer.
GREAT ENding!
AWESOMEEEEEEEEEEEE
didnt say he was bad, but i said his technique is. but then whhat do i know, ive only seen him dance in person 5 times.
You both killed it. But Pacman won for me.
Pac man is going way harder then fantastic. you can see the intensity in his movements and in his flow. he goes from one concept to the nest clean and exciting. fantastic is taking it easy...so in my book thats a loss! both dancers are dope, but pac killed it!
I think Philip won.
Too bad, I wanted Robert to win. D:
I think Philip won cause Robert would have said if he won in the description.
Lol at pacman tutting the bird at the end :P
Isn't this Robert Muraine's TH-cam channel? I know you may like one or another, but it's pretty rude to post such things on someone's videos especially considering your own relative skill compared to either of the competitors.
then you havent seen anything, go to a live event its much more fulfilling
@VIZION2040: sorry bro, but locking and robot DID NOT start first... it was Boogalooin'. Locking started when Don Campbell did his style very awkwardly... hence he created the, "campbellock (or 'locking' as they call it now)."
to each his own, it was an exhibition.
@MackDaddyOnTheTrack explain..?
@PYChamP i didnt say flexibility was popping. i just like the look of it when its used in popping. thats why i like robert better. it makes him more theatrical, which i like. soo dont go saying peoples opinions are garbage. there just opinions...
@PhillArSeNaL what do you mean short career ahead of him? the contracts he got for 2012 were officiated half way through last year, and then comes the factor that there are literally thousands of contractors waiting in line to book him. Robert is in Fucking germany now, in the past two years, he's toured America, India, and parts of China, and there are endless opportunities, and i don't think Robert is going into twilight any time soon
so who won?
i think Roberts alot better than Phillip, mainly becAUse i like Roberts style more, but also because hes unique. phillip is still an amazing dancer, but he looks just like most other poppers of that genre when he dances...nothing really amazing and different... soo robert is better.
That round was close. Robert killed it on the first round but this one was close.
3-2 Pac IMO... had 2 watch it 2x
tight ass battle tho
I liked the part where they danced.
@MackDaddyOnTheTrack yah i removed it because it said pacman sucks, wich i now know he doesnt. i thought i removed it a while ago.
Who won?
robert always wins for me!phillip was dope too!
in my Opinion. Robert Muraine is The sickest Popper.
and Philip Chbeeb is the sickest dancer :)
you dont have to argue about whos the best.
thats all folks!
hey when waz the last time u seen him dance because i watch alot of his vids n lately the choreo has been on da sick side. if he what ever he doin is workin. u sick to in my opinion its whether at the moment a person puts out the sickest in a battle because when it comes to battling even a tie isn't a tie that just means yall gonna have to see the next time yall battle or thier needs to be another round. but yall both good.
Jesus. Are you guys drenched in sweat after all this?
this was intense :D
pac man killed it
mr. fantastic is crazy flexible and can do some freaky moves, but pacman is just a better dancer. he has musicality and can win audiences without crazy gimmicks.
i say pacman won...
that was just his opinion tho, the judges for the claws out 3 didnt announce ne winners, people can watch n make their own judgment...by the way ther is another claws out 4 this saturday, nov 14, from 6 till idk what time it ends, n its supposed 2 b much crazier than claws out 3!
Fantastic all day, everyday! holla from sweden!
no one is the best in this world
i can't decide
Pacman and Moon are sick when they're together
Rob is unique but he is like showing his flexibility
Anyway both of them are Americans
yeaaah it was a nasty song and rushed to be fare.. oo fare enuf i was jus wunderin what you thought about 1ST battle cuase i havnt her ur opinion bout it till now peace =]
Pacman moves way 2 fast so you can't tell how nice his moves are because you didn't see it long enough. Mr. Fantastic sells all his moves. The better man won that one.
@BboyDevice
Errrr I meant comment***. Lol, sorry, I am working on a philosophy assignment, and I have the word argument stuck in my head.
on another note, i dont think pacman "studies" fantastic's moves...heobviously saw it before many times and he was probably annoyed when he saw it again so he was like "psshh.here he goes again..." BANG POW. lol, i mean, but their moves are crazy, they are both really sick dancers and im sure this isnt all of their potential. XD
they could just put a replay for robert cuz he do all the same moves he never get new ones while pacman does get some new moves every battle xD
I think Roberts better. more theatrical and more creative. just my opinion.
i dont admit defeat, pacman isnt that good in my own opinion HONESTLY. he lacks technique, but then theres the argument, technique vs funk. i choose technique. so he lost IMO. plus it was to a horrible song with 10 second rounds, that wasnt a real battle, AT ALL.
i think they attempted to shank each other at the end
no one does it like Robot Boys.
After watching the two videos... I'm sorry to say Fantastic, but Pacman got this one. I'm being very unbiased, but Pacman just has variety and goes with the music. Funkstyling (as it is supose to be called.. not "popping") should have variety. I see alot of the same thing from SYTYCD.. that's the thing that sucked from both of you, but popping should always go with the music. Pacman did flow with it; therefore, he should have been the clear winner on this bout.
u 2 are among the sickest and intricate poppers i have seen...an trust me ive seen alot...the internets a big place..lol
i dont know why people are saying that either is repetitive, how can someone be repetitive if it's their style of dancing...o.O//n e way, i think they are both really good dancers with different styles and views on the genre. also i think that even if fantastic is very repetitve, it's his hard hitting moves that still capture the audience. pacman, moves very fluidly, and quickly as well. not everyone can actually appreciate every style. battlers have to portray a lot despite what their style is
I go with robert but idk why ppl don't give it up for phillip he's sick.....
It seems that for a moment pacman does not know what to do!!
who won?????
instead of battling, next time they should collaborate
@dancingkirstiie I think that is him trying to get the beat.
Pacman was good, but Mr Fantastic was better
dey both know how 2 tut but Mr. Fantastic does it better...i think Pacman wins diz battle cuz he did more things den just poppin
Yeah, Fantastic is a true freak, which I appreciate deeply but Pacman is a much better dancer and innovator. Some heads here say Fantastic is moving forward and still doing it. Hell yes! I just hope he is growing and moving beyond his core 'power moves'. As fer Pacman, He is already a funky muthufucker but I want to see him get some power moves. He's kinda like Sasha but need to go to the next level and drop some jaws. They both got skills though.
@VIZION2040: umm....:-/... hmm, I guess you are right on the definition of funkstylin'. Honestly, they are doing alot more than just popping: I see tuts, strobe, waving, and crazy legging. You can't really say that they are "popping" because they would be just ONE thing. Locking is a whole other monster. Boogaloo IS the first ever "popping". It's all about the funk, brah.
The crowd sucked...
The announcer or dj was annoying...
Was it a school?
Great battle, Philip was being so annoying though.
@llmrfantasticll - there's a big difference between not being quite as good as you and not being "that good." And honestly, he's much more of a dancer than you, in terms of using the music and punctuating its rhythm. You've got some insane flexibility and muscle control, and it's awesome to watch you, but I think you're really missing the mark if you're gonna go around saying things like "he lacks technique." So he can't twist his arm all the way around. Whoop de doo.
@lawlietROB Pacman's moves are "bad"? Have you ever danced a day in your life? xD His moves are hard as hell to pull off accurately like he does. Haha.
I have a lot of respect for Mr. Fantastic, but overall, I feel Chbeeb is a better all around dancer. He can do more than just pop, and his choreo skills are pretty sick. Also, his hits are pretty hard for someone who isn't exclusively a popper. His iso's are on point, and his botting is sick. Last I checked, waving is under the style of popping.
I have to say that both of you are repeating the same move all the time, more Robert than Phillip, I can see Phillip trying to go with the music at least, ofc both of you are really nice in this thing, but, in Robert, every single move he did in this battle I can see in all his videos, he should try new moves acording to the music. Robert's moves are more realistic than Phillip, but Phillip is battling trying new things. I won't say who's the winner for me, I like Robert in the part 1.
@adamzez no offense but if your such a good dancer and obviously have a passion enough to go all the way to asia and dance then why the hell are you a stand up comedian?
In a sense commenting here is a bit pointless. This is Mr Fantastic account. Therefore there are more biased accounts towards RM.
Who won? RLY?
Two different styles of pop, both are entertaining. It's just what you prefer quit being pricks about it and enjoy the damn video
@Eddietheallrounder well u cant compare phillip with muraine soon, cuz pacman does more hiphop than popping nowadays.
21 sec, pacman copies mr wiggles move, but pacman does it sloppy
I used to think phillip was the shit and best dancer ever, but now i realise his arm movements get boring after a while now im bord of them and yeah he does come up with more stuff but its only similar to wha he did be4 with his arm movements !!! fantastic hit hards aswell and after all it is a popping battle
With Pacman, you can see music. That doesn't happen with Rob.
I prefer pacman.
@BboyDevice
The argument I replied to was visible when I replied. I dunno, a bug, perhaps?
lol did he flip you off????
they're both good poppers. but SALAH the POPPING GENIUS will kick their asses even if they are combined.
pacman won. mr fantastic is good but damn dude, we've seen u do all dat already son.
Get of Pacman's sack..
MR. FANTASTIC WON. HARDER HITS. HE WAS ON BEAT... What else matters..? Seems like Pacattack only has one tempo..thats that "sped up" style of his...
@mason9236 i battle down in downtown cincinnati, but i dont post anything because i dont have a video recorder. but im done tlkin about this cuz no matter what i say your still going to think what you think and im going to think what im going to think.
the two says Fuck at the end.
Mr Fantastic
pac man !!
@pj0hn90 The thing is popping fundamentals are hitting. If you're not hitting you're not popping. This is a popping battle and pac barely hits. Don't get me wrong he's nasty but fundamentally fantastic is actually a better popper. You can see in the tutting exchange.
cant help thinking the pacman is gay. It's the way he dances there like gay moves, good but like a girl
pacman is a way better all round dancer and has more originality you should really check out his channel
2:27 exactly lol he pops his but so hard lol but i give it all to robert
TRUTH BE TOLD GREENTECK WOULD KILL BOTH THESE GUYS, SAME WITH SALAH.
@mason9236 wow that was a stupid comment. so what your saying is that only good ppl are famous, there are really good ppl out there that aren't discovered.
@PYChamP K whats with you goin around saying "you dont know about dancing" or "get outa here kid" wtf like seriously nobody cares if you think phillips better. so stop telling everybody there wrong if they say they like robert better.
@jmialma09 Bruce Lee was the greatest fighter in history, but he was an actor. I'm not saying I'm the greatest dancer in history. But I'm just saying that you needing to ask that question, obviously means you don't understand life. You are 17, Myself and probably everyone else won't take you seriously when you talk like you do.