Great video! How about testing how passive the wrist muscles are on a flat and spin serve. On the other hand, measure if there really is active leg drive on the serve or if legs are used ro lift the ball or whip the arm through on a topspin forehand. Thanks!
The wrist is obviously a component of the serve, although many "YT pros" discount it. I cannot imagine a serve without the "radial deviation." I'm not saying it's the power source, but it's active in the kinetic chain near the end of my stroke. I look forward to your upcoming analysis. Thank you.
@@thomasc4777 Yes well that would be "Ulnar Deviation". There's actually a pretty distinct muscle that will be easy to monitor actually. Thinking of trying for internal rotation and pronation next.
I indeed injured my wrist a few times while learning modern forehand but only because I had no good coach to explain the idea right. Eventually, I figured this out, and no issues since then. The only issue with the modern forehand is you can't hit it being "not fit" as you need a full body to execute it well.
can you advise the right idea? I recently injured my wrist and it seemed to happen when I got a new racket, but I'm completely self taught so technique can definitely be improved
@@tomr6955 Hard to say without seeing it. A lot of times a bad movement (wrist over flexes) can cause it and then ball impact keeps it aggregated. Hope that helps!
@@tomr6955 I can only say what my issue was… I got the wrong idea that I should work on wrist pre-stretch before hitting the forehand. I concentrated on stretching it by the leg motion and then hitting with the wrist as part of the motion. Apparently, the wrist is too weak and a combination of stretching it back with supination injured it quickly. The right way is hard to explain it depends on weight transfer, quick preparation, right timing of your motion with the ball, sequence the left hand, shoulders, and hips, and not think about the wrist. Its more whole arm pre-stretching, and then you either allow it to slingshot forward or keep the pre-stretch to release it right before the contact if you want spin or a combination. Sorry if this is very confusing, but hopefully it will be helpful lol.
Wrist injuries can come from a variety issues. I would say that the modern forehand produces less wrist injuries because of the looseness of the wrist especially at impact. I have had wrist injuries before but that has more to do with my equipment instead of technique. Changing string tension, using better strings and switching to a heavier, advanced racket helped rid myself of wrist injuries. As a result, I've been injury free for 5 years. The modern forehand is clearly the superior technique for me and I believe is the greatest invention in tennis. You can absolutely destroy a ball without much effort. The classic forehand requires so much energy to really crush a ball and even if you try, there is more of a tendency to hit out.
Great video, Jeff! Vic Braden would be proud. I hit a classic forehand for years and now I've transitioned more to a modern forehand. There are not too many 64-year-olds hitting a modern forehand. I teach more of a classic forehand and later incorporate modern aspects. I want to ensure my students are using their shoulder first.
I didn't notice any specific amount of grip tightening. The brain has a tendency to tighten the grip as much as necessary. There's been studies on this by Dr Knudsun.
@@JeffLewistennis i think the loose grip is a myth...you notice pro players are changing grips in the middle of unit turn....they could have a loose grip in ready position.....but what is the grip pressure when they transition to forward swing...loose doesn't make any sense at that stage....the loose grip so it naturally lags back is BS imo...what are your thoughts?
@@treplay8846 Wellmyou definitely need enough pressure for the racquet not to be flying out of your hand. And the way the pros are swinging I'm sure that is significant. Always kind of been a non issue with me. Now getting people to loosen up more generally with their muscular is a different story. Often trying to help players with that.
Totally. One thing I've realized getting deep into anatomy is that there would definitely be different muscles used in each arm. So the question of "which arm would do more" would be kind of hard to answer. But there could still be some cool insights.
Vic Braden GOAT His classic strokes and hit the ball hard .......Sampras FH far superior to Federer. Federer's last final wimbledon he shanked the ball on MP down against Novak 2019 and the famous Nadal final 2008 wimbledon he hit his FH into the net MP down The pre stretch requires lots of balls to be hit and precise timing ... I say hit off the cone and keep the face of the racket on contact to stop the wrist breaking early or late Great video Jeff.... I teach Vic Braden,,,,,One student in her 50s now has shoulder issues as she did not stay with the program.... she persisted with YT clowns "Turn the door knob and lag and snap" ... Thanks Jeff,,,,,,, Modern FH is laughable ask Thiem .....his wrist ... Read the Vic Braden books ....
Can you elaborate on your thoughts? I hit with what I think is the modern FH and the wrist is not much involved at all. The body energy just pulls the hand along the trajectory. The racquet falls back. The only time where I can think the wrist may be in jeopardy is after contact where it needs to bring the racquet around and that is only because my technique sucks. I think for players with really good technique they would not even 'feel' like they are manipulating the racquet using their wrist.
@@2008M5 I would suggest contacting Jeff Lewis who will analyse your stroke and give you world class instruction Jeff worked with Vic Braden @JeffLewistennis Video your stroke and Jeff will help you You are in safe hands with Jeff.
@@muriloborges9481 Thanks That is the best compliment I had in ages IMHO I would love Sampras FH, Goran serve, Edberg backhand ground strokes , volleys and my mate Jimmy Connors never give up attitude
@@kingarthurusatenniscoach1415 For a normal player having his FH is something that anyone would like, just doesn’t compare with Federer’s…but you have nice picks of shots…Ivanisevic serve is massive, despite in this point Sampras is better, Edberg volleys are one of the best…of course everyone has his favorites
Think i'm going to stick with the classic...What do you think?
Jeff Ive suggested to @208M5 to contact you .. Great video see my reply
Go to the top of the class Jeff...
Great video! How about testing how passive the wrist muscles are on a flat and spin serve. On the other hand, measure if there really is active leg drive on the serve or if legs are used ro lift the ball or whip the arm through on a topspin forehand. Thanks!
Serve wrist action is definitely in the line up! Lots more to come.
The wrist is obviously a component of the serve, although many "YT pros" discount it. I cannot imagine a serve without the "radial deviation." I'm not saying it's the power source, but it's active in the kinetic chain near the end of my stroke. I look forward to your upcoming analysis. Thank you.
@@thomasc4777 Yes well that would be "Ulnar Deviation". There's actually a pretty distinct muscle that will be easy to monitor actually. Thinking of trying for internal rotation and pronation next.
I indeed injured my wrist a few times while learning modern forehand but only because I had no good coach to explain the idea right. Eventually, I figured this out, and no issues since then. The only issue with the modern forehand is you can't hit it being "not fit" as you need a full body to execute it well.
Glad you were able to heal up!
can you advise the right idea? I recently injured my wrist and it seemed to happen when I got a new racket, but I'm completely self taught so technique can definitely be improved
@@tomr6955 Hard to say without seeing it. A lot of times a bad movement (wrist over flexes) can cause it and then ball impact keeps it aggregated. Hope that helps!
@@tomr6955 I can only say what my issue was… I got the wrong idea that I should work on wrist pre-stretch before hitting the forehand. I concentrated on stretching it by the leg motion and then hitting with the wrist as part of the motion. Apparently, the wrist is too weak and a combination of stretching it back with supination injured it quickly. The right way is hard to explain it depends on weight transfer, quick preparation, right timing of your motion with the ball, sequence the left hand, shoulders, and hips, and not think about the wrist. Its more whole arm pre-stretching, and then you either allow it to slingshot forward or keep the pre-stretch to release it right before the contact if you want spin or a combination. Sorry if this is very confusing, but hopefully it will be helpful lol.
Wrist injuries can come from a variety issues. I would say that the modern forehand produces less wrist injuries because of the looseness of the wrist especially at impact. I have had wrist injuries before but that has more to do with my equipment instead of technique. Changing string tension, using better strings and switching to a heavier, advanced racket helped rid myself of wrist injuries. As a result, I've been injury free for 5 years. The modern forehand is clearly the superior technique for me and I believe is the greatest invention in tennis. You can absolutely destroy a ball without much effort. The classic forehand requires so much energy to really crush a ball and even if you try, there is more of a tendency to hit out.
Great video, Jeff! Vic Braden would be proud. I hit a classic forehand for years and now I've transitioned more to a modern forehand. There are not too many 64-year-olds hitting a modern forehand. I teach more of a classic forehand and later incorporate modern aspects. I want to ensure my students are using their shoulder first.
Agreed! Thanks the support coach!
62 year old with modern forehand here (or maybe strange hybrid, I don't know. I developed it myself).
@@transklutz I think that's the best way.
Hey Jeff, what a great video! I’d be fascinated to see the EMG for various other muscles on the forehand. And the backhand. And well, most strokes 😀
Yup! Should keep me busy for a while. Think I'm going to look at serve pronation next. Internal shoulder rotators and the forearm Pronator Teres.
🎉Great Show the Diagramme with forehand Video at Slower speeds next time plz
EMG on the 3 types of serves pronation. Flat, Slice & Topspin would be great.
Next is internal arm rotation and pronation on a flat vs spin serve!
great video
Thanks 🤙
How tight do you grip on modern?
I didn't notice any specific amount of grip tightening. The brain has a tendency to tighten the grip as much as necessary. There's been studies on this by Dr Knudsun.
@@JeffLewistennis i think the loose grip is a myth...you notice pro players are changing grips in the middle of unit turn....they could have a loose grip in ready position.....but what is the grip pressure when they transition to forward swing...loose doesn't make any sense at that stage....the loose grip so it naturally lags back is BS imo...what are your thoughts?
@@treplay8846 Wellmyou definitely need enough pressure for the racquet not to be flying out of your hand. And the way the pros are swinging I'm sure that is significant. Always kind of been a non issue with me. Now getting people to loosen up more generally with their muscular is a different story. Often trying to help players with that.
Great video Jeff! I think it would be really interesting comparing the muscle activity in both arms during the 2 handed backhand.
Totally. One thing I've realized getting deep into anatomy is that there would definitely be different muscles used in each arm. So the question of "which arm would do more" would be kind of hard to answer. But there could still be some cool insights.
Vic Braden GOAT His classic strokes and hit the ball hard .......Sampras FH far superior to Federer. Federer's last final wimbledon he shanked the ball on MP down against Novak 2019 and the famous Nadal final 2008 wimbledon he hit his FH into the net MP down The pre stretch requires lots of balls to be hit and precise timing ... I say hit off the cone and keep the face of the racket on contact to stop the wrist breaking early or late Great video Jeff.... I teach Vic Braden,,,,,One student in her 50s now has shoulder issues as she did not stay with the program.... she persisted with YT clowns "Turn the door knob and lag and snap" ... Thanks Jeff,,,,,,, Modern FH is laughable ask Thiem .....his wrist ... Read the Vic Braden books ....
Can you elaborate on your thoughts? I hit with what I think is the modern FH and the wrist is not much involved at all. The body energy just pulls the hand along the trajectory. The racquet falls back. The only time where I can think the wrist may be in jeopardy is after contact where it needs to bring the racquet around and that is only because my technique sucks. I think for players with really good technique they would not even 'feel' like they are manipulating the racquet using their wrist.
@@2008M5 I would suggest contacting Jeff Lewis who will analyse your stroke and give you world class instruction Jeff worked with Vic Braden @JeffLewistennis Video your stroke and Jeff will help you You are in safe hands with Jeff.
Are you nuts…Sampras FH is garbage near Federer
@@muriloborges9481 Thanks That is the best compliment I had in ages IMHO I would love Sampras FH, Goran serve, Edberg backhand ground strokes , volleys and my mate Jimmy Connors never give up attitude
@@kingarthurusatenniscoach1415 For a normal player having his FH is something that anyone would like, just doesn’t compare with Federer’s…but you have nice picks of shots…Ivanisevic serve is massive, despite in this point Sampras is better, Edberg volleys are one of the best…of course everyone has his favorites