Given the play when you had an invis rune mid I'd suspect actual cheating rather than stream cheating, guy changed his plan basically the second your walking angle changed enough to make it clear you were going for the bottom stairs rather than the top stairs. I would assume that if he was using the stream he'd at least have a 2-3 seconds delay before rushing down and placing a "lucky, convenient" sentry.
@@Ellyasveil Like this should've been patched, no arguing about that, but WDYM "When dev work on 2 games" Do you think there is a single dev angrily typing code in two laptops infront of him, one for Dota the other for Deadlock? What? Or does he have 4, cause then he also during lunchbreak writes stuff for CSGO and TF2? Why should a company not have multiple teams developing multiple projects? LOL
Not sure what's worse, the blatant griefing from grimstroke. Or the chat trying to get a huge hit of copium defending the ludicrous and unsupportive build in a RANKED match. Edit: They should never allow players to get to choose what side they are on unless they are playing solo or their entire team is put on one side. For obvious reasons.
in my last 8 games, I have had 5 win traders and 4 griefers with such miserable behavior, it's kinda heartbreaking that the game can't be enjoyed anymore at all
I understand not knowing a lot about griefing and thinking about possibilities out loud, but I don't understand questioning waga about competitive dota knowledge.
I like how waga's response to this loss is, Well, lets queue up another game, same time, same pool of players. Gigachad just wants to play Dota no matter the cost rather be in queue for 3 hrs
Hey Waga, I really feel sorry for you. I'm sorry for this game and this big problem in immortal draft. I although think your twitch chat is really toxic. Dota 2 is such a beautiful game. Unfortunately there are so many dishonorable people out there playing it. Don't let the negativity drag you down. Take care
he lost one without Double, then he won one with double down This almost guaranteed +24-25 MMR Repeat 100 Games thats +1250 MMR avg How much avg mmr you can get with 100 games? i personally suck but i can get 200 - 300 in 6k lobby
@@Setzer that could be possible without double downs if you just throw the game where you lose a small amount of points and win the ones where you are favored
I do think its an accutal cheater not just stream cheating... since some of those hooks where to presice to be even a 2 sec delay when he didnt have a ward down
The people gonna do everything for grow mmr in my opinion the rankeds are a waste of time. My question here is, why you can play ranked in party having immortal draft ,not sense.
never seen in my report summary cheating and smurfing despite the number of reports i made...thats how i find out that dota really didnt care about rank at all...
These type of people ruined the rank experience, people like these have 0 confident on their skills and rely solely on cheats and hacks. Encountered a few of them on ranked and i tell you they are a big problem here in Crusader to Ancient ranks, And valve will do soo little to punish these maggots.
why does valve is queing people from the same guild in different teams? This is really dumb. Feels bad for you Waga , you're a chad for keeping yourself calm when chat is being dumb. I'd be fumming.
I think he is being too harsh on the grim, this is a common build in SEA followed by jungling solo and destroying items you no longer need... like all of them. Very normal.
Hot take: I don't think stream cheating is cheating. Put a delay if you don't want other people to watch your stream while you're playing. It's okay to talk to chat while you play getting tips and other advantages, but it's wrong when other people use legitmate sources to find information. Frustrating, but questionable unethical. Also I think the motivate and attention you get from streaming and chating with other people is an massive advantage compared to people that are just playing by themselves.
My guy you need a ban from any comp play if you genuinely believe this. The sheer fact you can go into the other team's view even if it is delayed is getting access to information you would otherwise have no other way to get. That is in and of itself cheating in terms of map hax. You didn't slap down a ward in that area so why should you get to know what's going on there at any point in the match...
@@SirTimidFlash On top of this insane advantage of information and cheating to obtain such info, the chat often gives more of a disadvantage rather than an advantage from what I've seen from those who actually interact with their chat. A second to read chat/dono is a second less info you have of your screen, which is giving you a disadvantage (and I've seen moments where they miss an enemy peak out of fog and end up positioning right into them), also if chat is being dumb af like in this vid, or in a lot of streams where the player is insanely higher rank than the chatter, that would cause some to tilt and again another disadvantage. It doesn't count as a hot take when it's objectively wrong for half of the take.
reading tips from chat is a disadvantage, second paragraph makes 0 sence too. You are right it is a hot take but not as hot as : when you face a streamer in a game of chess you can use chess engines, because streamer gets usefull tips and motivation from reading chat
Yeah by that logic, watching the official tornament steam while you are competing in a lan tornament is not cheating then. And back seating by chat is massive advantage, bro please. Look at chat wisdom here 14:12 15:50 it's anything but distraction most of the time.
The fact there was people attempting to forgive someone CLEARLY griefing is frankly absurd to me
You already know how those exact people will react when someone even slightly deviates from popular builds in their game lmao
i actually lost my fucking mind that there are people who thinks like that. its actually insane
I swear that had to be just sarcasm though
they would probably destroy their keyboards if only it had happened with them
Lmao it was an obvious sarcasm, who in their right mind would think grimstroke armlet midas build would be a normal build?
Given the play when you had an invis rune mid I'd suspect actual cheating rather than stream cheating, guy changed his plan basically the second your walking angle changed enough to make it clear you were going for the bottom stairs rather than the top stairs. I would assume that if he was using the stream he'd at least have a 2-3 seconds delay before rushing down and placing a "lucky, convenient" sentry.
i mean you can say that but in 25:02 this is just sus
Valve PLEASE remove immortal draft, or overhaul it to fix the MANY issues :(
"after TI" sure they gonna patch this.. i mean 2025 also "AFTER TI".... or 2026... or 2027..... this is what happen when your dev work on 2 game..
@@Ellyasveil Like this should've been patched, no arguing about that, but WDYM "When dev work on 2 games" Do you think there is a single dev angrily typing code in two laptops infront of him, one for Dota the other for Deadlock? What? Or does he have 4, cause then he also during lunchbreak writes stuff for CSGO and TF2?
Why should a company not have multiple teams developing multiple projects? LOL
This is the most angry I've ever seen Waga, and he waited until the game was over damn
it’s chat being dumb by inhaling too much copium, waga even reviewed the game to show/explain to chat.
Not sure what's worse, the blatant griefing from grimstroke. Or the chat trying to get a huge hit of copium defending the ludicrous and unsupportive build in a RANKED match.
Edit: They should never allow players to get to choose what side they are on unless they are playing solo or their entire team is put on one side. For obvious reasons.
both are fucking worse, also chat is fucking driving me nuts how tf the way they think
I don't think he was stream sniping, I straight up think he was maphacking. There's been a lot more of those appearing in dota in the last few weeks.
Some very impressive 'intuition' by the Pudge 🤣
in my last 8 games, I have had 5 win traders and 4 griefers with such miserable behavior, it's kinda heartbreaking that the game can't be enjoyed anymore at all
16:00 the midas really sealed the deal
I find this hilarious because this is just another day in sea pubs. So many cheaters and griefers. Haven't seen much win traders though.
how do they allow being in a party with an opponent?
I understand not knowing a lot about griefing and thinking about possibilities out loud, but I don't understand questioning waga about competitive dota knowledge.
Antimage Alchemist, Pudge, brood.
This game had it all
It was actually Brood Waga and Veno who doubled down lol. Super sus footage though
I like how waga's response to this loss is, Well, lets queue up another game, same time, same pool of players.
Gigachad just wants to play Dota no matter the cost rather be in queue for 3 hrs
Hey Waga, I really feel sorry for you. I'm sorry for this game and this big problem in immortal draft. I although think your twitch chat is really toxic. Dota 2 is such a beautiful game. Unfortunately there are so many dishonorable people out there playing it.
Don't let the negativity drag you down.
Take care
How does win trading work? Wouldn't it leave you neutral on MMR if you trade who throws the game?
double downs make it possible unfortunately /m
he lost one without Double, then he won one with double down
This almost guaranteed +24-25 MMR
Repeat 100 Games
thats +1250 MMR avg
How much avg mmr you can get with 100 games?
i personally suck but i can get 200 - 300 in 6k lobby
@ReissLynn oh gross. They should get rid of double downs. They're dumb
@@Setzer that could be possible without double downs if you just throw the game where you lose a small amount of points and win the ones where you are favored
wild that thay still haven't made it so that group have to be together in immortal draft
I do think its an accutal cheater not just stream cheating... since some of those hooks where to presice to be even a 2 sec delay when he didnt have a ward down
how the fuck can you be party with someone and end up on opposite team? wtf my brain cant take this logic
My blood boils while watching this.
The people gonna do everything for grow mmr in my opinion the rankeds are a waste of time. My question here is, why you can play ranked in party having immortal draft ,not sense.
today he is wagamadmad 😡😡😡😡
never seen in my report summary cheating and smurfing despite the number of reports i made...thats how i find out that dota really didnt care about rank at all...
bro league is the same way rn, on the NA server at least
These type of people ruined the rank experience, people like these have 0 confident on their skills and rely solely on cheats and hacks. Encountered a few of them on ranked and i tell you they are a big problem here in Crusader to Ancient ranks, And valve will do soo little to punish these maggots.
this only applies to immortal draft, not your extremely low ranks.. although smurfing is a big deal in your case.
@SL-es1pb I guess you do have a point
How can a stack be in different team?
In ranked pick the 2 highest ranks get to pick their own team
Immortal draft
These kind of matches suck
that's so sad
why does valve is queing people from the same guild in different teams? This is really dumb. Feels bad for you Waga , you're a chad for keeping yourself calm when chat is being dumb. I'd be fumming.
Map hack confirmed 😚😂
I'm to early here.
I think he is being too harsh on the grim, this is a common build in SEA followed by jungling solo and destroying items you no longer need... like all of them.
Very normal.
Yep normal in SEA thats why SEA pubs and pros are shit.
@10:45 waga types why into chat, only to quickly delete it after realizing he's already muted the team. Peak
spoiler: he did get smoke hooked while digging in river
Any chance your chatter who suggested Grim was trying a new build was JOKING Waga? Jesus christ that bit was hard to watch.
Felt sorry for waga :(
Nah, dude was an apologist for a griefer. Dota chat has some weirdge but um akchualle guys.
This game is a lost cause. Might aswell just quit.
dead game already
Hot take: I don't think stream cheating is cheating. Put a delay if you don't want other people to watch your stream while you're playing. It's okay to talk to chat while you play getting tips and other advantages, but it's wrong when other people use legitmate sources to find information. Frustrating, but questionable unethical.
Also I think the motivate and attention you get from streaming and chating with other people is an massive advantage compared to people that are just playing by themselves.
My guy you need a ban from any comp play if you genuinely believe this. The sheer fact you can go into the other team's view even if it is delayed is getting access to information you would otherwise have no other way to get. That is in and of itself cheating in terms of map hax. You didn't slap down a ward in that area so why should you get to know what's going on there at any point in the match...
@@SirTimidFlash On top of this insane advantage of information and cheating to obtain such info, the chat often gives more of a disadvantage rather than an advantage from what I've seen from those who actually interact with their chat. A second to read chat/dono is a second less info you have of your screen, which is giving you a disadvantage (and I've seen moments where they miss an enemy peak out of fog and end up positioning right into them), also if chat is being dumb af like in this vid, or in a lot of streams where the player is insanely higher rank than the chatter, that would cause some to tilt and again another disadvantage.
It doesn't count as a hot take when it's objectively wrong for half of the take.
reading tips from chat is a disadvantage, second paragraph makes 0 sence too. You are right it is a hot take but not as hot as : when you face a streamer in a game of chess you can use chess engines, because streamer gets usefull tips and motivation from reading chat
Yeah by that logic, watching the official tornament steam while you are competing in a lan tornament is not cheating then.
And back seating by chat is massive advantage, bro please. Look at chat wisdom here 14:12 15:50 it's anything but distraction most of the time.
Don't feed the troll, guys.