Ben Whishaw really was wonderful in his trio of movies as Q. His total inability to play it cool when Bond shows up at MI6 and M telling Q to shut up was my biggest laugh of the movie. Plus we finally see the cats!!
No Time To Die reminded me of an Orson Welles quote: "If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story.” The movie has several chapters where I think, "If it stops here, there will be a happy ending." But, the arc of Daniel Craig's Bond has always been equal parts thriller and tragedy.
I wouldn’t have minded if Safin’s whole motivation in the third act was just that he wanted Madeline and Mathilde for his own. The whole world-ending genocide plan was unnecessary. He needed the doctor to kill Spectre for revenge, which made sense, he needed Madeline as she was the only one who could get to Blofeld- now he just wants her back because he’s an obsessive psychopath. That would have made sense to me. Bond having to rescue his wife and daughter was enough stakes.
I feel like people weren't paying attention to the conversation they had at the end because Bond literally points this out that what happened to Safin does not justify using Heracles. By the end he's not fulfilling any revenge, he's just become a villain and that's the point. He's not simply trying to end the world tho, MI6 is trying to stop Safin from being the "god" that decides who lives and dies and that's why it doesn't matter who he's targeting -same issue Bond had with Mallory. While always going too far in his execution his motivations do make sense tho: they stem from the murder of his family, he wants control over his turbulent environment (often seen in irl psychology) and he wants to stop any other criminal organisation like Spectre from taking over. This is ironic because it's the classic tale of eventually becoming what he hated, like revolutionaries becoming dictators. Trying to control Madeleine and force a "happy family" is part of this, coming from her being the only person he felt a connection to after he lost his family. After Mathilde bites him he realises that this isn't possible (a token attempt at returning to a normal life), and he turns to his plan for Heracles -going all in on being the villain he truly always was. In the end he dies exacting undue/overblown revenge (story of his life), just like at the start. That's my interpretation of what they were going for. I think there's more depth in that than a simple save the girl from the crazy guy plot like you suggest
No, he wants Madeline to suffer because her dad killed his parents as an agent of Spectre. That's why you have this tea scene - he wanted to give her the same nano bots that would never allow her again to touch her daughter. That's what this third act was really about but I think they should've made this more clear. It's the reason why he let's the kid go as well ;)
Imagine if at the end Bond sits on a ledge, pulls the stuffed animal out, lays it on his lap, pulls out Felixs cigar and smokes it. That would even be a more caring end to bonds life at least dying like bond would.
After the second viewing I realized gun barrel fading to white means Bond is the one who dies in this film, unlike the standard blood where it’s a standard film where Bond kills the bad guy and he lives to see another adventure.
@@younusimam-thesalamproject6340 yeah me and my pals noticed that......then they destroyed everything...his car (again) ,felix ,his 007 number, (that was a fiasco,its mine but you can have it back....definitely re shot after panned initial trailer,) his name meaning nothing at MI6 ...then the man himself.....felt like it was made by non bond fans .....not a broccoli whose family been invested in it for 60 years ...shocking ,positively shocking...no keeping the British end up for this secret agent..
The primary motivation for the ending still seems like it was to prevent Craig from being asked whether he would return in every interview for the rest of his career.
The fact he's still getting stick for the 'rather slit my wrist' comment when he only said that as he was asked 'are you coming back' about 50 times just as Spectre [a troubled production] had finished speaks volumes.
Yes, the discussion was over 2 hours and it took me a few days to watch it all, but I enjoyed every moment! Great job David, and all were terrific. So many insights and additional details and I'm back to see the film in a couple of days with a lot more to look for. Thanks so much!
As David said, I want my bond to be escapism and adventure. Bond is a handsome hero that does not die, is an assassin, lone wolf, womanizer, a jerk, he has a mission for queen and country. He is not a family man. And when he fights, he stays clean and impeccable!
I just want somebody involved with the making of this film to just come out and explain....WHY ? as male 52 year old who followed Bond most of my life I hated it....but I understand why..I'm from a different generation than their target audience. but I know lots of younger, female, viewers who felt same.. .".Where are you Bond" asks M ..I was wondering same thing all through the movie ..(and I loved Casino and Skyfall )
My biggest issue with Bond’s death is that it didn’t feel thematically earned. All the plot logistics aside, the movie didn’t feel like it was building up to his death, everything just awkwardly fell apart at the end.
@@LeonWick526 I totally agree, but with how much they’ve changed conventional understandings of Bond with this movie I feel they could’ve found a way. Perhaps there’s a growing theme that the world is doing fine without Bond (which would admittedly lead more naturally to his retirement to wholesome family life) or perhaps his actions became increasingly vile and unforgivable, leading to his end in a karmic way.
It is thematically earned. They established that Bond cant have anyone close because of the life he lives but now he has a daughter and partner and because of him again theyre endangered in multiple ways. So the only way for him to have loved ones is for himself to dissapear. Whether that means he dies or just hides away is another discussion. Also they set themes of the meaning of Bond and 007, its not specific to James Bond himself but it has a legacy that can be carried on so even if hes not there there will always be a Bond and 007.
The reassuring feeling that he's still there was done for me at the end of the credits. The classic "James Bond will return" comes up as always, and it just had even more of an impact this time, it was pretty special.
Maybe they'll release it one day. I always had the feeling there was a huge story arc behind Safin, because he somehow got this massive naval base with like a 100 Russian soldiers on it. How? The Russians are even sending in a military escort for the nano bots. Why? These boats are the reason they are evening sending rockets at this island because M said in the call they can't take out Russian boats without the world asking a lot of questions.
In short, there was never supposed to be a "Craig arc," Skyfall (which I believe is a masterpiece) was supposed to be the standalone and bring Bond back into the Canon continuum... and then Spectre had to prance along, tie all three movies together (unnecessarily) and create the "Craig arc." The whole notion of the "arc" is Spectre's mistake, and NTTD is just a clean up crew for Spectre's mess, leading to Bond's literal demise. Spectre should have never been made or at least not in the fashion that it was. Who would have known that Spectre would literally lead to Bonds death, if not the death of the entire Bond franchise.
I've really enjoyed DC as bond ..even in quantum there was an edge to his bond.....this film ruined all that for me ..I was happy for him to walk away after spectre...let it begin again with new actor... ...if bond does return I've no idea how...
@@lovablesnowman agreed ..the people behind this said they wanted to tie up loose ends from spectre....what loose ends,most people would have been happy with how spectre ended .......id have been happy for daniel craigs bond to come back having ditched madelaine (never bought into that relationship...felt too forced and not the most scintillating character ). and have one last kick ass mission ...or a new actor to take over....instead of what this movie served up.....
@@Filmbuf-g2k Yes I agree. Another thing that I found unconvincing is believing Silva to be simply a Spectre agent (tying in Skyfall would mean just that) yeah I think that character deserves more and should not be reduced to anything less than he was presented as in the movie. He'll probably be able to take on Spectre all by himself and do a better job at it than Safin.
I really enjoyed this debate. I must admit, I’ve never heard of any of you and enjoyed all of your viewpoints. A few things I was surprised you didn’t pick up on. In Skyfall, when Bond returns to MI6 - he’s only been gone a few months but M puts him through a barage of psychological and physical tests which we know he fails and he is still accepted back. In NTTD he’s been gone for 5 years and straight back to being in the double oh section. A bit far fetched. If Bond and Felix were that close, why didn’t Felix know that Bond had his number? And the most far fetched scene by far - Bond rocks back to MI6, parks in Central London on double yellow lines and his car isn’t towed??? I thought we’d need a scene with Bond having to retrieve his car and shooting everyone at the impound yard!
The problem for me is that throughout Craig's era we've been told that he wants love and he wants family (Vespa, M etc) but he losses those chances through no fault of his own. So now he finally gets all that he's ever wanted and he just gives up. That makes no sense in light of the previous 4 films. There is no way he would give up after everything he's gone through. Even if you left his ending ambiguous that would be better than this. It frustrates me every time I think about it.
He doesn’t give it up, it’s taken from him. Remember, the nanobots can spread to anyone through physical contact. Bond can’t just not touch his family, he can’t touch anyone. The only way to save them is for him to die. That’s absolutely a sacrifice Bond would be willing to make.
@@Hero_Of_Old That's exactly right. Though the previous Craig films were dark they were never pointlessly nihilistic because they all had something important to say.
@@magnusprime962 He has best scientists on earth that won't just give up. It's too dangerous not to have an antidote to the nanobots when there are infected people still out there.
Random thoughts: James Bond is a master spy, he doesn't need more clues, he knows that child is his the moment he sees it. The next morning making her breakfast he starts to let himself accept it, and dare say think he can have a family. The forest action scene isn't special in terms of stunts. Instead it gains new intensity bc Bond is trying to save his own family for the first time ever, knowing he's let Bond girls die before but failure isn't an option now. And then while they don't die, he loses them nonetheless. Also wish the nanotech exposure wasn't so permanent and fatal. And i think too an element lost is how the nanobots travel and Bond couldn't even risk leaving the island. The way the nanobots travelled from Madeleine to Bond to Blofeld, and the way M explained how you could release them on one side of the world and through exponential contact they'd make a way to their target anywhere, Bond couldnt take any risk by leaving an island targeted by missiles. Also the "woke" moment Jeroen called BLM fanfare, the goofy scientist had spoken that kind of prejudice full of himself language in his first lab scene. And M and Bond had a scene when talking of the nanotech danger that part of the weapons risk was that in the wrong hands it could be genocidal. Just a bit cringy hearing four non p.o.c. men have a conversation about "wokeness". They didn't say anything controversial, but of all topics, a conversation on wokeness,"being alert to injustice in society", surely screams for a wider diverse perspective.
Yeah I’ve noticed this in a lot of Dutch Bond Fans stuff-he seems super obsessed with “wokeness” and “PC culture” which is pretty cringe. Like dude, this is Bond, one of the least woke franchises of all time, calm down. No one’s coming to take your toys. If I (a progressive person) can enjoy this franchise in spite of all the blatant sexism, racism, and even outright rape (committed by our hero) then I think you can unclench and enjoy a movie where a black woman kills a Nazi. Ppl like him don’t seem to realize that viewing everything through an “anti-woke” lens is equally as lame as someone viewing everything through a “woke” lens. He complains about how that scene is making a political statement but in reality *he’s* the one politicizing it. Since when did killing bigots for being bigoted become a political statement? As long as I’ve been alive, that’s just been an easy way to get the audience to hate a villain. I doubt this guy would watch Raiders of the Lost Arc and call out that movie for being “political” or “woke” even though it’s an entire film dedicated to killing Nazis.
@@JaiProdz Thank you, kind stranger. I don’t get the sense DBF is some sort of alt-righter or anything, but he’s definitely been at least sniffing the kool-aid and I hope he shies away from that kind of online content. Shit will rot your brain.
I loved this video and am a huge fan of all of the round table’s TH-cam Channels. One thing I gotta say about the ‘reinstating Bond as 007’ scenario is this: When I first saw the film I managed to go in with zero spoilers. I had avoided and the internet in general since the initial reviews came out. So when watching the movie and they’re on the cargo plane and Nomi asks M to reinstate Bond as 007 my heart literally sank and hit the floor. This is because (as you all correctly - in my opinion - pointed out in the round table) that there wasn’t any ‘earned moment’ where Bond needed to get hit title back. Because of this sudden gesture from Nomi I instantly chocked up and my heart skipped a beat. Not because it was a touching moment of solidarity on her part. But because I immediately and instinctively knew that Bond was going to die by the end of the film. I couldn’t quite say how but I knew in my gut this was the end. Then the entire duration of Bond on the island I started sinking and squirming in my seat for all the interrogation and chase scenes. When Bond turns back from the dinghy to go back inside the base I literally said ‘oh gawd, this is it!’ And the entire storming the castle sequence where Bond is truly kicking a** through the whole thing I knew it was his last stand. And when he got shot and was struggling with processing what Saffin did I was in tears. I adore this film- and would put it in my top 5 Bond films. But I struggle to want to watch this film because of the emotional toll it takes on me.
If it weren't for the Connery Cool of the first four films, none of this would have become a religion . Although, Craig does a goid job of portraying a Military Tool instead of a suave ,smooth , man of the world.
I saw this movie 6 times and every time it hits me as hard as it did the first time. For me you don't kill the hero, regardless of the actors requirements - then put up a sign that says he's going to return. Lots to like about the film but for me the second hour is just a waiting game for the last 20mins which as a fan is such a shame.
I have never 'bought' Felix-as-best-buddy. "Let's go, James!! Ha ha ha ha! "Wheeee!" It always felt forced to me. This Craig detour is choppy. For a guy he just met on CASINO, and had precious little interaction with since then, the emotional impact of Felix is very much taken for granted and unearned.
I don’t really agree. Leiter is in Quantum where Bond does say he think it’s a good idea Felix got promoted. So he does see him as a good agent. Also in Spectre he calls Leiter a friend, I do believe they keep in touch outside of the films
It used to feel good that we all had a (although fictional) character always waiting in the shadows ready to save the day, not anymore apparently. JAMES BOND should NEVER die!
This one of the greatest discussions on one greatest James Bond film that ends the time of Daniel Craig as James Bond and it's a great ending and a better saying goodbye then with Die Another Day
The only Bond film that I went back to the theater to see it a second time. I loved this movie. Why wouldn't Craig's Bond change as he gets older? The entire rest of the cast has changed, it makes perfect sense that there will be a "new" James Bond just like there was a new Moneypenny, a new M, a new Q. Why would anyone pretend that Bronson and Craig are the same James Bond? Glad you liked it also, Jack.
@@thomasblock1164 I certainly don't think they're the same Bond, Brosnan is probably the best Bond ever imo whereas I simply don't recognize Craig's James Bond
I've made a playlist of all these four's vlogs on No Time To Die over the last 2 years so it's going to be great to have them all together to discuss the film after it's finally out. Can't wait!
Joe's point about The Daniel Craig movies being one long origin story is a right on the money. I was really hoping in NTTD we'd finally get that classic Bond scene where Bond goes into M's office, gets a mission briefing, and receives a folder with his instructions. Obviously that didn't happen because unlike the other five Bond actors, Craig's movies have all been connected. Now that by itself isn't an issue but when every movie's plot is directly influenced by the previous movie, you just can't have a stand alone movie where Bond goes on a mission that's unrelated to his prior missions. Something else that annoyed me about the Craig era is that in every movie he goes rogue. I first noticed it when Matt Mira and Matt Gourley pointed it out on their podcast "James Bonding" and it's bothered me ever since. Great episode! I enjoyed all the differing opinions on the movie.
Thank you all for the platform!!! The big debate of course is do “we kill Bond?” I think Daniel Craig was done playing the role after SKYFALL. (Awesome film) Then someone wrote him a bigger check!!! He wanted an out!! And a way to refuse anymore large paydays!! The ending was a way for Craig to close his own book. Not sure I’ll even watch it. Maybe for the Headlight machine gun scene… or maybe I’ll just watch the preview again….?
Great discussion. Liked the format. So much to talk about. Won't go into it all. As for the ending it is contrived. I think the problem is that they made the same mistake they did with Spectre (and to a certain extent Skyfall): They tried to do so much and there's so much going on I think they got to a point where they realized "Oh crap, this is long. Get to the ending we want quickly." Yeah, this one will be talked about for some time.
I've got to say that I'm on team Joe. I share just about every sentiment and opinion as you do. Of course I see the merit of each of your thoughts and take on things. As of this very moment and after 4 viewings and coming from a 20 year fanatic, NTTD ranks ever so slightly as my favorite of the Craig era.
I fell in love with James Bond after never had being a fan previously when Daniel Craig took over as casino Royale came out and I have really become a humongous fan of Daniel Craig's entire run and I have to say that I left the theater feeling quite peaceful and very happy with the overall achievement of Daniel Craig's entire run from beginning to end.
There's a big difference between watching a James Bond movie and a Daniel Craig movie, No Time to Die was a Daniel Craig movie, Casino Royale was a James Bond movie, even Skyfall was a James Bond movie and that might explain why they are better movies...
@@terrancehall9762 the dullest female character in any bond film....no chemistry at all between her and bond which made bonds dialogue at the end so laughable....
This video was great, kudos to David for putting it together. I love how these four tubers collaborate and share from time to time instead of having petty rivalries. My reaction to the movie is almost exactly like David’s. There are parts of it that really work but the ending isn’t done well. I’d have preferred that Bond live, but if they had to kill him I’d rather have seen something thrilling and triumphant, closer to Tony Stark’s winning sacrifice in Endgame. Instead we got something a lot closer to Kirk’s underwhelming and pointless demise in Star Trek Generations, or Han Solo’s disappointing and cheap send off in The Force Awakens.
Does everyone realize how no time to die actually allows Daniel Craig to get in and related to Dr no and goldfinger and some of the other classic films? This is really awesome and amazing and I'm so glad that he got to end his awesome and gritty version that stuck pretty well close to itself but actually allows him to pay homage to the classics at the same time and go out in a finite way with a bang! A character with a clear beginning middle and end! And let's face it casino Royale as a beginning Skyfall as a middle and no time to die as an end filled in with a little quantum of solace and spiced up with a little specter.. man I'd say we got us some amazing series here!
this is a great discussion with this film. I did enjoy it and a definite end to Craig's run, there in comes my own gripe with the film in that everything is convenient in the film to end for Craig rather than end for Bond. We have been on this journey with Craig. Everything in the narrative worked for the actor rather than the character. That can be interpreted with the viewer. The T2 ending comparison is great because there we see the end of the character and Arnie, but, it worked for the story. Here, the end came for the actor rather than the character. I will say, i really enjoyed the final action sequence and seeing two Double O agents work together. It brought back to the opening of GoldenEye and I hope we get to see more of that in the next series. Seeing MI6 agents work together.
I do love this movie - I hate the ending. I really hate how I felt walking out of the theatre, disappointed and dazed, and shocked. The music, the acting, stunts, sound, scenery, action, lighting, cinematography, framing, costumes and sets - all of the technical aspects of this film are STELLAR. That ending is just awful….but the Zimmer “Final Ascent” scene music is some of best music I’ve heard in 10 years.
@@CasperEgas yes. I think you’re right. I am one of those guys who also like the products and clothes, etc - and now have absolutely NO INTEREST in buying the Omega, or the luggage, or the boots, etc. I don’t want the products of a dead man.
Agreed. Never left a movie before feeling angry. The person I was with saying relax it’s just a movie. As soon as the daughter appeared I had a sinking feeling.. it was clear they wouldn’t kill a child in the movie and they couldn’t leave bond being a father so he had to die. I go to a bond film to see him saving the day the day in style and living to fight another another day. Casino royale and skyfall fantastic. The other three made a mistake of trying to connect the dots and serve up a timeline which doesn’t work in the bond series of films. I’m hoping the next actors Bond returns to each film being a separate story. A couple of pet hates from Craig’s series..I’d like a return to the traditional Maurice binder gunbarrel in future and also don’t be afraid to play the bond theme during an action sequence. Understood the lack of theme in casino royale but the others all seemed scared to play it. Finally…last 2 theme songs have been dreadful.
I don’t think the idea of Bond still being alive but not being able to be with his family would’ve worked as an ending. In fact, it would be deeply unsatisfying.
That would be one of the easiest plot lines to undo....they could have simply developed a nanotech vaccine to protect Madeline and the daughter...in fact the film could have ended with them going into isolation, and Bond going off to tracki down the vaccine to save them, priming us for Bond 26 ......
I did make it the two hours, but not all at once. Completely agree with what Calvin said near the end. NTTD needs multiple viewings. I'm at a disadvantage living in a small midwestern town. No theatre. I had to drive out of town twice to see it. The second viewing really helped and I can't wait for the DVD. Calvin also mentioned how this film stays with you. So true. I just keep typing No Time to Die in the TH-cam search box and watch whatever comes up. Thanks for the great discussion.
Great video! I thought it was very well structured - the questions were very well considered and generated a great discussion. As of Spectre, the Craig Bond story arc felt retconned. But I agree with Joe, if they'd abandoned the story arc and just made NTTD a standalone adventure, it would have been trading one problem for another. I really envy Joe's reaction to the film. I had the opposite experience - after a certain point in the film (Felix's death?) the film could do no right. Perhaps if his fate was left uncertain, or if he made himself disappear at the end, I think I would have had a better reaction to end of the film. As it is, the character deaths and, particularly, the use of the song "We Have All the Time in the World" were unearned, im my opinion. The inclusion of the child character took me completely out of the story. Her presence felt exploitative - an easy way to generate tension during the pursuit by the henchmen. Calvin, thanks for putting in a word for the original (and, to my mind, only) meaning of "woke". I feel that the term has been hijacked by people who are afraid of confronting issues related to social justice. I didn't find anything problematic with the story in that regard. If anything, I felt Nomi's relinquishing her code number back to Bond felt out of character. The racist angle to the scientist's final speech might have been impactful if it had occurred during a scene that otherwise made an ounce of sense. (Why was there a pool of acid being stirred by workers in hip waders?) Awards: Best Character: Paloma Best Style: Masked Safin Per Calvin and Joe's remarks, I know that repeat viewings are required in order to properly appreciate it, but I simply feel disinclined to ever see it again. I'm hopeful that I'll want to see it again in the future. Ranking: 1. Casino Royale 2. Quantum of Solace 3. Skyfall 4. Spectre 5. No Time to Die OOH! Perhaps "Diminishing Returns" would be a good Bond title. It's rather Flemingesque. Thanks for a very entertaining and thought-provoking video! Cheers!
Great video David! Love all you guys, and your respective channels and opinions. Just like NTTD needs multiple viewings, I've just watched this video twice back to back on my day off. I agree with so much of this, the likes and dislikes. But I will say I'm with Joe about Craig's Bond being it's own kind of self contained saga, thus I'm mostly okay with Bond dying. It just wraps up his arc and we can move forward now. Though, I do hope they do each new movie as a stand alone story, like they did traditionally.
1:34:55 excellent point by Joe. David Arnold and Daniel Kleinmann really updated the music and the pre-title graphics of the Bond movies into the modern age. Paying brilliant homages to John Barry and Maurice Binder. I think David Arnold should be brought back and be in the role of John Barry of being the composer of a generation
I absolutely adore this and thank you for making two hours seem like no time had passed. Honestly, I LOVE No Time to Die and fall in line with Joe... It just hooked me from the beginning and loved every moment. Admittedly, Safin and the plot is rather weak but when I'm watching it, it really doesn't impact or take anything from the film. Great, great, great discussion and as Elliott Carver said "Delicious"! My Craig ranking: Casino Royale No Time to Die Spectre Quantum of Solace Skyfall
Okay guys, don’t have Apple TV or Amazon prime and it’s been out of theaters too long. No way for me to watch so I came back to revisit this round table. I love it and all of you guys and thank you all.
1:29:26 agreed. The Louis Armstrong song is synonymous with the James and Tracy Bond relationship. Whenever you hear that song you are transported back to that movie and to be honest, a better relationship between 2 main characters
I think Craig had said after Spectre that he'd rather slash his wrists than play another Bond. And despite Spectre being somewhat disliked by the general public, I find it a very good movie with an excellent ending. This is the way that Craig's era should've ended. But when forced to play another Bond, I bet he said 'okay, but I die at the end', which is a thorough show of disrespect for fans. It was worth going to see it for the rather good beginning and, above all, for Ana de Arma's absolutely brilliant performance. I wish she got involved in a better Bond movie.
Forget this quote. People are hung up about this, but they simply didn't understand. He said the same after quantum. It is the way he handels the media. Don't take it at face value.
This was a great discussion. Not familiar with your channel but hope all of you can come back and talk it out for each bond film that comes out in the future.
I don’t agree with the view that Bond didn’t have to die at the end of NTTD. He wasn’t just infected. He was bleeding out, too. Just remember that this is lore. The fun of a long franchise is visiting different takes on the tale, the fiction. If his death is never explored, the full story is never explored. Again, James Bond will return! This is how I also enjoy movies like Quantum and Moonraker. It’s one take-that’s it! It’s fun to see James displayed in different ways. I thought NTTD was the most Bond of all Craig’s films. Not the best film. But the best Bond film.
@@robbelliii Is linear what we want? And if this series is only Bonds origins, wouldn’t they have excluded the end of his career? Sometimes we just have to lighten up on reviews, I feel, and enjoy the themes being played out in fresh ways
I'm so excited that I just found out that the opening song and sequence to NO TIME TO DIE is my favorite that I can think of in Daniel Craig's entire era right now other than the first song with Chris Cornell and it's corresponding movie footage with the Maurice Bender style thing. I MEAN I'VE SEEN THIS MOVIE TWICE BEFORE AND I SOMEHOW LIKE WATCHING IT TODAY DID NOT EVEN REMEMBER SEEING THAT AMAZING STUFF WITH ALL THE HYPE DIED DOWN YOU HAVE GOT TO WATCH IT AGAIN AND REALIZE HOW FREAKING BEAUTIFUL THIS IS!
I think one of the main influences on how this film will be looked at in the future will actually be what they decide to do next. Will it be something better or will we look back and hanker for the Craig era films, including this one? Also it can be hard to compare Bond films from different eras with each other sometimes, whereas the next new Bond film will be something "uncraig" that we can directly compare to its predecessor and as a result may make this film look better or worse than we perceive it now.
Feeling sorry for Joe being outnumbered here, totally concur with him, absolutely adored the film (3x viewings thus far) and it's my second favourite Daniel Craig movie after Casino. A phenomenal movie, beautifully shot, emotional, incredible action sequences, perfectly scored, I can't fault it and I'm a lifelong Bond fan.
Great debate guys there's no right or wrong. The movie is what it is entertainment. Me I loved it a fitting end to the Craig era Let's reboot I can't wait
Thanks to all of you.... great stuff... I feel there is something none of you have talked about... I always thought that Bond movies are supposed to be fun.. If you look at the early 60's and right up to 2006, they're all fun.. why all of sudden do we have to be so serious.. I've read all the Fleming novels and Bond is the kind of guy we all wish we were and go to places we've never seen... Oh well, it's just a movie.., cheers and thanks fellas for your thoughts
Good talk guys! Personally, It feels like the filmmakers walked past the best ending of Bond finding redemption through saving and being with his daughter for the sake of an emotionally manipulative ending that they didn't pay off successfully. And My list falls with David's. As much as I thought Quantum would be the worst film when I first saw it. It holds up strong against Specter and there are aspects of Quantum that has it even close to No Time to Die for me.
Great video, guys. Everyone has an opinion about this movie and nobody’s wrong. I am Team Joe on this one. I absolutely loved this movie. People say that when you leave a Bond film you should be walking on air after seeing your hero triumphant. For me, I was elated because of the emotional impact it had on me. Yes, I was entertained but I was also moved. That last scene with Madeleine and Mathilde in the Aston-Perfection! Wow! Re Q. “Homosexual” is such a clinical term. It’s 2021, I think it’s OK to say “gay”. A little awkward to hear that.
Just saw it again tonight on digital here at home with my family… And I hated the ending even more! Because It is very clear that he had more than enough time to escape that island so it was actually basically James Bond COMMITTING SUICIDE. Absolutely not cool that they did this guys.. and it definitely was not the right way to kill him off if that’s what they really wanted to do.
Sure, he did have time, but with nanobots in his blood, if he escaped he would put his family in danger since they had been programmed as targets. Also, the nanobots can reprogrammed for other targets he might not agree with. Still think the writers could have written so he does not die, which is my preference as well.
Although I get that the writers made this happen, but there are reasons why he couldn't leave. The nanobots would infect anybody, and this would spread and spread until it reaches his family. He in theory would have to have no contact with any human being
@@TheOTA101 Yea I see where they were going with that. But I think Calvin was right - they were really trying very hard to pile it on at the end to show why this had to happen… but even after all that - he still just stood there and let himself get blown up. Which is totally out of character when you think of every single book or movie we’ve ever seen of him since he was created! The James Bond we all know would never - ever - just give up like that.
Even excusing the nanobots, the man had been shot several times and was bleeding out, limping and struggling. It took him like two minutes to climb a ladder, do you honestly think he could've limped down that big staircase, across the length and breadth of the base... And then what? He swims while full of bullet holes?
1:11:20 Well done for bringing this up...it all got a bit weird in the press a few years ago. Thought it was really well handled by the panel. In the end the question seemed to boil down to 'How threatened did you feel by the final product?' The answer seemed, thankfully, to be..."Not very!" You can go looking for stuff if you like or you can just enjoy the movie for what it is...Good point about previous films e.g. Golden Eye crossing that territory before and nobody making a big deal about it. Good job Gents. Love your channels.
Great round table discussion. Loved it. I was surprised that there was no mention of the film's original working title Shatterhand announced in February 2019. I think that with the pandemic kicking in and delays in release, etc, there were problems and a variety of revisits to the script, plot, etc followed. You guys are more likely in the know, but I reckon there were changes here and there, and this led to some possible plot-holes and a reworking of the villians in the movie. Anyway, more round-tables like this. Very enjoyable.
awesome guys........ive been to every bond on first night since 73...............I have plenty of things to say about this movie.......would love to talk to you about it.........all the best from Scotland
I wanna touch on, in Spectre, onboard the train to Blofeld's lair as Bond tries teaching Madeleine how to handle a gun. She mentions how a man once came to her home as a child which would then explain why she knows how to use a gun, but also go on and use that as a sequence for the opening of No Time To Die. However, my problem with that, and it goes to show they never really planned for sequels. Few moments later in Spectre, when Bond and Madeliene enters the very room with Blofelt, examining the meteorite. Blofeld says to Madeline "I came to your home once, to see your father" to which she replies "I don't remember" and Blofeld responds "But I do" which would then imply he was the one showing up at the beginning of No Time To Die instead of Safin?
There was a framed photo of Blofeld / Oberhausen with Madeline as a girl - remember on the mantle of her “chamber” when they arrived to Blofeld’s crater lair? Obviously, Madeline would have remembered the face of any attacker (like how she constantly carried the memory of the Man in the Mask) - she played off Blofeld’s “I came to see your father…” her father was a prominent and trusted member of SPECTRE up until only recently. I never thought for a moment that Blofeld went to her house to kill anyone - he was a friendly associate at that time.
@@complicatedtime Oh, I overlooked that. I need to rewatch that very scene again. But now that you mention it, could that frame acknowledge that Mr. White once worked with Spectre and that relationship didn't work out? Mr. White does mention the morality shift which made him deviate from Spectre right before his suicide.
The ending is very Flemingesque. Bond isn't a cartoon character. He's human. He has flaws. Certainly, the film versions have often treated him like a cartoon superhero come to life for the After School Special crowd. But whenever the series goes off the wall with 13 year old boy fantasies like Die Another Day or A View To A Kill, they usually bring it back to the novels. Living Daylights, Casino Royale and to a lesser extent For Your Eyes Only are examples and those are some of my favourite Bond films. I really don't think it's necessary to cringe at anything in a 007 movie. The early Connery films were seeped in death as essentially the main theme of those movies, particularly From Russia With Love, maybe my favourite Bond film of all time. Bond films at their best are realistic spy thrillers, not goofy action comedies for barely teenage boys. Tone is everything in a Bond film. You can have your one-liners, as long as they fit with a darker tone. Bond is a lethal assassin with major PTSD and substance abuse issues. There's nothing in that that screams sitcom. The Craig films are supposed to be more or less grounded in reality (with a few facepalm inducing exceptions), so what's more realistic than having Bond die? We can debate if it's done correctly, but killing off Bond at some point in this series just seemed obvious to me, especially if we're doing this Daniel Craig, flawed, realistic 007 thing. I'll take that ending over anything in the Brosnan films, which were just a series of very juvenile films that appealed to only teenage boys in the 90s and hardcore Bond fans who would watch a bad Bond film.
The interesting question that this put on my mind, was: Why aren't there more kids in the James Bond franchise? Family themes certainly worked for the Indiana Jones character - both when he was in the father role with Short Round, and when he was in the son's role, with Sean Connery as Dr Jones Sr. I think both dynamics should be toyed around with in the Bond franchise. Not everytime - the world he inhabits is very solitary and mature. But occasionally, that can bring an interesting twist to him.
The overriding feeling I get from No Time to Die (and evidenced by his co-producer credit) is that Craig was given far too much creative control. The whole daddy Bond thing is oddly autobiographical considering he had a kid around the time of shooting, and his death sucks because it doesn’t feel like they’re actually killing Bond, but rather that it’s Craig saying, “I don’t want to play Bond anymore!” I do kind of admire that the film, in a series full of absurdity and camp, is somehow one of the weirdest entries - massive (and I mean massive) tonal whiplash the whole time, totally baffling performances, especially from Malik and Fiennes, inexplicable parallels and visual references to many Bond, Metal Gear and Call of Duty games - and a ton of cringeworthy fan service. Too bad it’s 45 minutes too long, the titles and gunbarrel are crap, and the score stinks.
There were some great scenes in NTTD, one of them being the iconic Aston getting repeatedly hammered, before Bond spins it into an absolute killing machine. But DC’s Bond is just too weak, emotionally, to be a good 00. Even weaker than Lazenby’s, for that matter. DC’s Bond was great the action; maybe the best. But killing Bond off made him the worst failure in the franchise’s history. Because none of the other Bonds died.
I just want to let all you guys know that man I just started no time that I'm watching the opening title sequence with the song playing and this thing is just rocking my world more than it ever has before like I'm just I am falling straight in love with this movie guys it is wow I mean after the hype is that done when you actually realize what you are getting in this even just in this opening video sequence I mean guys oh my gosh this is awesome!!
This lineup is Bond TH-cam royalty! Can't wait.
The Bond equivalent of the Avengers/ Justice League!
Totally agree! Great content creators!
cringe but ok
@Jake Paul Pound-For-Pound Bond Experience put it up a week ago [with the video starting yesterday] so people knew when it was on.
Agreed. All great folks!
Ben Whishaw really was wonderful in his trio of movies as Q. His total inability to play it cool when Bond shows up at MI6 and M telling Q to shut up was my biggest laugh of the movie. Plus we finally see the cats!!
I'm hoping Calvin and David's opinions on the film diverge far enough so we can get to see "The Battle for No Time to Die" in a few years time ;)
I want to see the debate video between Joe and those who differ from him on NTTD.. that should be interesting and I know which camp I'm in.
No Time To Die reminded me of an Orson Welles quote: "If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story.” The movie has several chapters where I think, "If it stops here, there will be a happy ending." But, the arc of Daniel Craig's Bond has always been equal parts thriller and tragedy.
I wouldn’t have minded if Safin’s whole motivation in the third act was just that he wanted Madeline and Mathilde for his own. The whole world-ending genocide plan was unnecessary. He needed the doctor to kill Spectre for revenge, which made sense, he needed Madeline as she was the only one who could get to Blofeld- now he just wants her back because he’s an obsessive psychopath. That would have made sense to me. Bond having to rescue his wife and daughter was enough stakes.
I would have preferred if his motivation shifted to wanting Madeline because he wants somebody somebody somebody somebody somebody to love.
I feel like people weren't paying attention to the conversation they had at the end because Bond literally points this out that what happened to Safin does not justify using Heracles. By the end he's not fulfilling any revenge, he's just become a villain and that's the point. He's not simply trying to end the world tho, MI6 is trying to stop Safin from being the "god" that decides who lives and dies and that's why it doesn't matter who he's targeting -same issue Bond had with Mallory.
While always going too far in his execution his motivations do make sense tho: they stem from the murder of his family, he wants control over his turbulent environment (often seen in irl psychology) and he wants to stop any other criminal organisation like Spectre from taking over. This is ironic because it's the classic tale of eventually becoming what he hated, like revolutionaries becoming dictators.
Trying to control Madeleine and force a "happy family" is part of this, coming from her being the only person he felt a connection to after he lost his family. After Mathilde bites him he realises that this isn't possible (a token attempt at returning to a normal life), and he turns to his plan for Heracles -going all in on being the villain he truly always was. In the end he dies exacting undue/overblown revenge (story of his life), just like at the start.
That's my interpretation of what they were going for. I think there's more depth in that than a simple save the girl from the crazy guy plot like you suggest
No, he wants Madeline to suffer because her dad killed his parents as an agent of Spectre. That's why you have this tea scene - he wanted to give her the same nano bots that would never allow her again to touch her daughter. That's what this third act was really about but I think they should've made this more clear. It's the reason why he let's the kid go as well ;)
@@DerDudelino Yeah that wasnt made clear enough. His motivation was just muddled.
That or Safin wanting Madeleine to complete his revenge by giving him what her father took away from him: a family.
Imagine if at the end Bond sits on a ledge, pulls the stuffed animal out, lays it on his lap, pulls out Felixs cigar and smokes it. That would even be a more caring end to bonds life at least dying like bond would.
After the second viewing I realized gun barrel fading to white means Bond is the one who dies in this film, unlike the standard blood where it’s a standard film where Bond kills the bad guy and he lives to see another adventure.
Good catch!!
@@younusimam-thesalamproject6340 yeah me and my pals noticed that......then they destroyed everything...his car (again) ,felix ,his 007 number, (that was a fiasco,its mine but you can have it back....definitely re shot after panned initial trailer,) his name meaning nothing at MI6 ...then the man himself.....felt like it was made by non bond fans .....not a broccoli whose family been invested in it for 60 years ...shocking ,positively shocking...no keeping the British end up for this secret agent..
@@Filmbuf-g2k 007 is just a codename tho. james bond is bond and also embodying a name
@@maxjackson.7533 what's your point Max....007 has been synonymous with Bond for 60 years ...
The primary motivation for the ending still seems like it was to prevent Craig from being asked whether he would return in every interview for the rest of his career.
And yet people are still saying 'get Craig back to resurrect Bond'...he can't get away!
damnnn, this is a good point. (and I even liked that they killed him)
Yes, that's the rumor. That's still no excuse for killing such a legendary and respected character even if it's a rebooted version.
@@LeonWick526 They've killed Wolverine and Tony Stark recently which were both well received and that probably played a part.
The fact he's still getting stick for the 'rather slit my wrist' comment when he only said that as he was asked 'are you coming back' about 50 times just as Spectre [a troubled production] had finished speaks volumes.
4 viewings in? Jesus, I must not be a 007 fan then, coz once was enough for me for NTTD. I’d need at least a year before watching that again.
Spenser, did you remember to flush?!
@@sirwinslow Well I think she's gonna do that, don't you, pal? I'll ask her.
No second viewing for me...once was enough....
I’m more excited for this than Eternals.
I'm more excited to shit then eternals
This has aged well already
I’m more excited for my colonoscopy than Eternals.
Enternals, STINKS!!👎🏼
Eternals was a boring dud. CGI is getting old, as well the whole “Save the universe shtick”. Time to come up with new plot lines.
Yes, the discussion was over 2 hours and it took me a few days to watch it all, but I enjoyed every moment! Great job David, and all were terrific. So many insights and additional details and I'm back to see the film in a couple of days with a lot more to look for. Thanks so much!
As David said, I want my bond to be escapism and adventure. Bond is a handsome hero that does not die, is an assassin, lone wolf, womanizer, a jerk, he has a mission for queen and country. He is not a family man. And when he fights, he stays clean and impeccable!
I just want somebody involved with the making of this film to just come out and explain....WHY ? as male 52 year old who followed Bond most of my life I hated it....but I understand why..I'm from a different generation than their target audience. but I know lots of younger, female, viewers who felt same.. .".Where are you Bond" asks M ..I was wondering same thing all through the movie ..(and I loved Casino and Skyfall )
David, this is a great panel & a great discussion. You've become a veritable 'Charlie Rose' of Bondom! Salute!
When Louis Armstrong was playing in the beginning of the movie, I knew something bad was gonna happen.
My biggest issue with Bond’s death is that it didn’t feel thematically earned. All the plot logistics aside, the movie didn’t feel like it was building up to his death, everything just awkwardly fell apart at the end.
It's tough to thematically justify the character dying considering he's written as a character who always escapes hopeless situations.
@@LeonWick526 I totally agree, but with how much they’ve changed conventional understandings of Bond with this movie I feel they could’ve found a way. Perhaps there’s a growing theme that the world is doing fine without Bond (which would admittedly lead more naturally to his retirement to wholesome family life) or perhaps his actions became increasingly vile and unforgivable, leading to his end in a karmic way.
watch it again, many hints to Bond's death throughout
@@Dan_Roland plus bond is 007. 007 is not bond. it is literally just a codename, that is what they were trying tell everyone but apparently thats woke
It is thematically earned. They established that Bond cant have anyone close because of the life he lives but now he has a daughter and partner and because of him again theyre endangered in multiple ways. So the only way for him to have loved ones is for himself to dissapear. Whether that means he dies or just hides away is another discussion. Also they set themes of the meaning of Bond and 007, its not specific to James Bond himself but it has a legacy that can be carried on so even if hes not there there will always be a Bond and 007.
No Time To Die started as a James Bond movie in the first act but by the third it became anything but.
The Four Horsemen of Bondpocalypse
The reassuring feeling that he's still there was done for me at the end of the credits. The classic "James Bond will return" comes up as always, and it just had even more of an impact this time, it was pretty special.
I really wasn't expecting the 2 hour 45 minute bond to feel like the one that would most benefit from an extended edition.
Maybe they'll release it one day. I always had the feeling there was a huge story arc behind Safin, because he somehow got this massive naval base with like a 100 Russian soldiers on it. How? The Russians are even sending in a military escort for the nano bots. Why? These boats are the reason they are evening sending rockets at this island because M said in the call they can't take out Russian boats without the world asking a lot of questions.
In short, there was never supposed to be a "Craig arc," Skyfall (which I believe is a masterpiece) was supposed to be the standalone and bring Bond back into the Canon continuum... and then Spectre had to prance along, tie all three movies together (unnecessarily) and create the "Craig arc." The whole notion of the "arc" is Spectre's mistake, and NTTD is just a clean up crew for Spectre's mess, leading to Bond's literal demise. Spectre should have never been made or at least not in the fashion that it was. Who would have known that Spectre would literally lead to Bonds death, if not the death of the entire Bond franchise.
I've really enjoyed DC as bond ..even in quantum there was an edge to his bond.....this film ruined all that for me ..I was happy for him to walk away after spectre...let it begin again with new actor... ...if bond does return I've no idea how...
This. This movie has problems. Plenty of them. But it inherited a lot of them from Spectre.
@@lovablesnowman agreed ..the people behind this said they wanted to tie up loose ends from spectre....what loose ends,most people would have been happy with how spectre ended .......id have been happy for daniel craigs bond to come back having ditched madelaine (never bought into that relationship...felt too forced and not the most scintillating character ). and have one last kick ass mission ...or a new actor to take over....instead of what this movie served up.....
So basically spectre was last jedi and NTTD was rise of skywalker. I can agree with that
@@Filmbuf-g2k Yes I agree. Another thing that I found unconvincing is believing Silva to be simply a Spectre agent (tying in Skyfall would mean just that) yeah I think that character deserves more and should not be reduced to anything less than he was presented as in the movie. He'll probably be able to take on Spectre all by himself and do a better job at it than Safin.
I really enjoyed this debate. I must admit, I’ve never heard of any of you and enjoyed all of your viewpoints. A few things I was surprised you didn’t pick up on. In Skyfall, when Bond returns to MI6 - he’s only been gone a few months but M puts him through a barage of psychological and physical tests which we know he fails and he is still accepted back. In NTTD he’s been gone for 5 years and straight back to being in the double oh section. A bit far fetched.
If Bond and Felix were that close, why didn’t Felix know that Bond had his number?
And the most far fetched scene by far - Bond rocks back to MI6, parks in Central London on double yellow lines and his car isn’t towed??? I thought we’d need a scene with Bond having to retrieve his car and shooting everyone at the impound yard!
So glad Calvin mentioned Primo (Cyclops). He's my favourite character in the film.
"Blofeld sends his regards".
The problem for me is that throughout Craig's era we've been told that he wants love and he wants family (Vespa, M etc) but he losses those chances through no fault of his own. So now he finally gets all that he's ever wanted and he just gives up. That makes no sense in light of the previous 4 films. There is no way he would give up after everything he's gone through. Even if you left his ending ambiguous that would be better than this. It frustrates me every time I think about it.
Yeah, it was just nihilistic for the sake of it.
Everything is written for emotional impact with no thought that it goes against what the character would do.
He doesn’t give it up, it’s taken from him. Remember, the nanobots can spread to anyone through physical contact. Bond can’t just not touch his family, he can’t touch anyone. The only way to save them is for him to die. That’s absolutely a sacrifice Bond would be willing to make.
@@Hero_Of_Old That's exactly right. Though the previous Craig films were dark they were never pointlessly nihilistic because they all had something important to say.
@@magnusprime962 He has best scientists on earth that won't just give up. It's too dangerous not to have an antidote to the nanobots when there are infected people still out there.
Random thoughts: James Bond is a master spy, he doesn't need more clues, he knows that child is his the moment he sees it. The next morning making her breakfast he starts to let himself accept it, and dare say think he can have a family. The forest action scene isn't special in terms of stunts. Instead it gains new intensity bc Bond is trying to save his own family for the first time ever, knowing he's let Bond girls die before but failure isn't an option now. And then while they don't die, he loses them nonetheless. Also wish the nanotech exposure wasn't so permanent and fatal. And i think too an element lost is how the nanobots travel and Bond couldn't even risk leaving the island. The way the nanobots travelled from Madeleine to Bond to Blofeld, and the way M explained how you could release them on one side of the world and through exponential contact they'd make a way to their target anywhere, Bond couldnt take any risk by leaving an island targeted by missiles. Also the "woke" moment Jeroen called BLM fanfare, the goofy scientist had spoken that kind of prejudice full of himself language in his first lab scene. And M and Bond had a scene when talking of the nanotech danger that part of the weapons risk was that in the wrong hands it could be genocidal. Just a bit cringy hearing four non p.o.c. men have a conversation about "wokeness". They didn't say anything controversial, but of all topics, a conversation on wokeness,"being alert to injustice in society", surely screams for a wider diverse perspective.
Timestamp for the convo on race?
Yeah I’ve noticed this in a lot of Dutch Bond Fans stuff-he seems super obsessed with “wokeness” and “PC culture” which is pretty cringe. Like dude, this is Bond, one of the least woke franchises of all time, calm down. No one’s coming to take your toys.
If I (a progressive person) can enjoy this franchise in spite of all the blatant sexism, racism, and even outright rape (committed by our hero) then I think you can unclench and enjoy a movie where a black woman kills a Nazi. Ppl like him don’t seem to realize that viewing everything through an “anti-woke” lens is equally as lame as someone viewing everything through a “woke” lens. He complains about how that scene is making a political statement but in reality *he’s* the one politicizing it.
Since when did killing bigots for being bigoted become a political statement? As long as I’ve been alive, that’s just been an easy way to get the audience to hate a villain. I doubt this guy would watch Raiders of the Lost Arc and call out that movie for being “political” or “woke” even though it’s an entire film dedicated to killing Nazis.
@@ghani666 well said.
@@JaiProdz Thank you, kind stranger. I don’t get the sense DBF is some sort of alt-righter or anything, but he’s definitely been at least sniffing the kool-aid and I hope he shies away from that kind of online content. Shit will rot your brain.
for the gunbarrel sequence, i like the no blood idea and craig wearing a tux. however he walks too fast in a very rigid stance
Agree. Not sure why the hurry. He was power walking, which looked ridiculous.
I loved your discussion! I find that I have no desire to rewatch either Spectre or No Time to Die. There is no fun or joy in either movie.
I loved this video and am a huge fan of all of the round table’s TH-cam Channels.
One thing I gotta say about the ‘reinstating Bond as 007’ scenario is this:
When I first saw the film I managed to go in with zero spoilers. I had avoided and the internet in general since the initial reviews came out. So when watching the movie and they’re on the cargo plane and Nomi asks M to reinstate Bond as 007 my heart literally sank and hit the floor.
This is because (as you all correctly - in my opinion - pointed out in the round table) that there wasn’t any ‘earned moment’ where Bond needed to get hit title back. Because of this sudden gesture from Nomi I instantly chocked up and my heart skipped a beat. Not because it was a touching moment of solidarity on her part. But because I immediately and instinctively knew that Bond was going to die by the end of the film. I couldn’t quite say how but I knew in my gut this was the end. Then the entire duration of Bond on the island I started sinking and squirming in my seat for all the interrogation and chase scenes. When Bond turns back from the dinghy to go back inside the base I literally said ‘oh gawd, this is it!’ And the entire storming the castle sequence where Bond is truly kicking a** through the whole thing I knew it was his last stand. And when he got shot and was struggling with processing what Saffin did I was in tears.
I adore this film- and would put it in my top 5 Bond films. But I struggle to want to watch this film because of the emotional toll it takes on me.
This is the Avengers of Bond fans all coming together
add in Chris and Tom from JBR and then we got the avengers. this is the fantastic 4 ;)
I’m so ready for this discussion. I hope to see Joe Darlington & Scott Atkins eventually talk about No Time To Die too.
Connery : The icon
Lazenby : The oddity
Moore : The smooth criminal
Dalton : The blunt instrument
Brosnan : The hybrid
Craig : The one that DIES
Self serving, self loathing on the part of Daniel Craig . Period.
Well-expressed,
Craig: broke the mould - literally, period!
@@cragkeeper more concerned with his legacy, than 007’s legacy.
If it weren't for the Connery Cool of the first four films, none of this would have become a religion .
Although, Craig does a goid job of portraying a Military Tool instead of a suave ,smooth , man of the world.
At best he's the 3rd best Bond. At worst he's the worst.
I saw this movie 6 times and every time it hits me as hard as it did the first time. For me you don't kill the hero, regardless of the actors requirements - then put up a sign that says he's going to return. Lots to like about the film but for me the second hour is just a waiting game for the last 20mins which as a fan is such a shame.
That 2 hours flew by. I found all four communicate so well and appreciate another's opinion if not agreeing on it.
I have never 'bought' Felix-as-best-buddy. "Let's go, James!! Ha ha ha ha! "Wheeee!" It always felt forced to me. This Craig detour is choppy. For a guy he just met on CASINO, and had precious little interaction with since then, the emotional impact of Felix is very much taken for granted and unearned.
I don’t really agree. Leiter is in Quantum where Bond does say he think it’s a good idea Felix got promoted. So he does see him as a good agent. Also in Spectre he calls Leiter a friend, I do believe they keep in touch outside of the films
@@hekkie6082 Yeah, the previous films establish Leiter as a long standing friendly presence in 007's universe.
Amazing discussion guys. Very cathartic. My personal feeling viewing NO TIME TO DIE, it’s a good roller coaster ride but with a brick wall at the end.
It used to feel good that we all had a (although fictional) character always waiting in the shadows ready to save the day, not anymore apparently. JAMES BOND should NEVER die!
This one of the greatest discussions on one greatest James Bond film that ends the time of Daniel Craig as James Bond and it's a great ending and a better saying goodbye then with Die Another Day
The only Bond film that I went back to the theater to see it a second time. I loved this movie. Why wouldn't Craig's Bond change as he gets older? The entire rest of the cast has changed, it makes perfect sense that there will be a "new" James Bond just like there was a new Moneypenny, a new M, a new Q. Why would anyone pretend that Bronson and Craig are the same James Bond? Glad you liked it also, Jack.
@@thomasblock1164 I certainly don't think they're the same Bond, Brosnan is probably the best Bond ever imo whereas I simply don't recognize Craig's James Bond
I've made a playlist of all these four's vlogs on No Time To Die over the last 2 years so it's going to be great to have them all together to discuss the film after it's finally out. Can't wait!
What a line-up, really looking forward to this!
Joe's point about The Daniel Craig movies being one long origin story is a right on the money. I was really hoping in NTTD we'd finally get that classic Bond scene where Bond goes into M's office, gets a mission briefing, and receives a folder with his instructions. Obviously that didn't happen because unlike the other five Bond actors, Craig's movies have all been connected. Now that by itself isn't an issue but when every movie's plot is directly influenced by the previous movie, you just can't have a stand alone movie where Bond goes on a mission that's unrelated to his prior missions. Something else that annoyed me about the Craig era is that in every movie he goes rogue. I first noticed it when Matt Mira and Matt Gourley pointed it out on their podcast "James Bonding" and it's bothered me ever since. Great episode! I enjoyed all the differing opinions on the movie.
Lol yeah, he kinda became Ethan Hunt from mission impossible with how consistently he went rogue
Thank you all for the platform!!! The big debate of course is do “we kill Bond?”
I think Daniel Craig was done playing the role after SKYFALL. (Awesome film) Then someone wrote him a bigger check!!! He wanted an out!! And a way to refuse anymore large paydays!! The ending was a way for Craig to close his own book. Not sure I’ll even watch it. Maybe for the Headlight machine gun scene… or maybe I’ll just watch the preview again….?
Great discussion. Liked the format. So much to talk about. Won't go into it all. As for the ending it is contrived. I think the problem is that they made the same mistake they did with Spectre (and to a certain extent Skyfall): They tried to do so much and there's so much going on I think they got to a point where they realized "Oh crap, this is long. Get to the ending we want quickly." Yeah, this one will be talked about for some time.
This is it, this is the big one.
I agree
@@greatwutabe there next week or be square 😅
@@treadstone1970 🎼Its Hip to be square 🎶 😉
I follow all of these Bond Channels. This discussion was pure gold. Would be awesome to see one of these for every Bond movie.
Glad to see @DutchBondFan finally joining TBE
We teamed up a couple of times before! But thank you!!! 😄😄😁
I've got to say that I'm on team Joe. I share just about every sentiment and opinion as you do. Of course I see the merit of each of your thoughts and take on things. As of this very moment and after 4 viewings and coming from a 20 year fanatic, NTTD ranks ever so slightly as my favorite of the Craig era.
I dont know why but, this please me greatly.
I fell in love with James Bond after never had being a fan previously when Daniel Craig took over as casino Royale came out and I have really become a humongous fan of Daniel Craig's entire run and I have to say that I left the theater feeling quite peaceful and very happy with the overall achievement of Daniel Craig's entire run from beginning to end.
There's a big difference between watching a James Bond movie and a Daniel Craig movie, No Time to Die was a Daniel Craig movie, Casino Royale was a James Bond movie, even Skyfall was a James Bond movie and that might explain why they are better movies...
this was a madeline film
@@terrancehall9762 the dullest female character in any bond film....no chemistry at all between her and bond which made bonds dialogue at the end so laughable....
@@Filmbuf-g2k she ruined 2 movies
@@terrancehall9762 yep. Spectre wasn't bad until old frosty turned up...
@@Filmbuf-g2k and brofeld didn't help
1:02:03 yeah that was a nice tender moment. Him looking at his past and his first love acknowledging that it still haunts him
This video was great, kudos to David for putting it together. I love how these four tubers collaborate and share from time to time instead of having petty rivalries.
My reaction to the movie is almost exactly like David’s. There are parts of it that really work but the ending isn’t done well. I’d have preferred that Bond live, but if they had to kill him I’d rather have seen something thrilling and triumphant, closer to Tony Stark’s winning sacrifice in Endgame. Instead we got something a lot closer to Kirk’s underwhelming and pointless demise in Star Trek Generations, or Han Solo’s disappointing and cheap send off in The Force Awakens.
I like the first 20 minutes or so of NTTD but then it’s downhill for me…the plot is poor IMO and an overall lack of creativity.
Does everyone realize how no time to die actually allows Daniel Craig to get in and related to Dr no and goldfinger and some of the other classic films? This is really awesome and amazing and I'm so glad that he got to end his awesome and gritty version that stuck pretty well close to itself but actually allows him to pay homage to the classics at the same time and go out in a finite way with a bang! A character with a clear beginning middle and end! And let's face it casino Royale as a beginning Skyfall as a middle and no time to die as an end filled in with a little quantum of solace and spiced up with a little specter.. man I'd say we got us some amazing series here!
this is a great discussion with this film. I did enjoy it and a definite end to Craig's run, there in comes my own gripe with the film in that everything is convenient in the film to end for Craig rather than end for Bond. We have been on this journey with Craig. Everything in the narrative worked for the actor rather than the character. That can be interpreted with the viewer. The T2 ending comparison is great because there we see the end of the character and Arnie, but, it worked for the story. Here, the end came for the actor rather than the character.
I will say, i really enjoyed the final action sequence and seeing two Double O agents work together. It brought back to the opening of GoldenEye and I hope we get to see more of that in the next series. Seeing MI6 agents work together.
Very much enjoying this video and discussion. Well done. Please do more. Kudos to all 4 of you. I LOVED No Time To Die.
It was excellent. I welled up toward the end during my 2nd viewing. I haven't experienced anything emotional in the theater in ages.
Agree with Joe. NTTD is one of the best films in the series and like OHMSS, it’s reputation will improve over time.
I do love this movie - I hate the ending. I really hate how I felt walking out of the theatre, disappointed and dazed, and shocked. The music, the acting, stunts, sound, scenery, action, lighting, cinematography, framing, costumes and sets - all of the technical aspects of this film are STELLAR. That ending is just awful….but the Zimmer “Final Ascent” scene music is some of best music I’ve heard in 10 years.
Well said.
Well it has been 10 years since David Arnold last scored a Bond film.
For me it totally spoiled all the good points of the earlier parts of the film. I really dislike it.
@@CasperEgas yes. I think you’re right. I am one of those guys who also like the products and clothes, etc - and now have absolutely NO INTEREST in buying the Omega, or the luggage, or the boots, etc. I don’t want the products of a dead man.
Agreed. Never left a movie before feeling angry. The person I was with saying relax it’s just a movie. As soon as the daughter appeared I had a sinking feeling.. it was clear they wouldn’t kill a child in the movie and they couldn’t leave bond being a father so he had to die. I go to a bond film to see him saving the day the day in style and living to fight another another day. Casino royale and skyfall fantastic. The other three made a mistake of trying to connect the dots and serve up a timeline which doesn’t work in the bond series of films. I’m hoping the next actors Bond returns to each film being a separate story. A couple of pet hates from Craig’s series..I’d like a return to the traditional Maurice binder gunbarrel in future and also don’t be afraid to play the bond theme during an action sequence. Understood the lack of theme in casino royale but the others all seemed scared to play it. Finally…last 2 theme songs have been dreadful.
I'm back for another helping of this video. Just bought NO TIME TO DIE for home viewing!!!! Saw it twice in theaters... Once in IMAX!
I don’t think the idea of Bond still being alive but not being able to be with his family would’ve worked as an ending. In fact, it would be deeply unsatisfying.
That would be one of the easiest plot lines to undo....they could have simply developed a nanotech vaccine to protect Madeline and the daughter...in fact the film could have ended with them going into isolation, and Bond going off to tracki down the vaccine to save them, priming us for Bond 26 ......
I did make it the two hours, but not all at once. Completely agree with what Calvin said near the end. NTTD needs multiple viewings. I'm at a disadvantage living in a small midwestern town. No theatre. I had to drive out of town twice to see it. The second viewing really helped and I can't wait for the DVD. Calvin also mentioned how this film stays with you. So true. I just keep typing No Time to Die in the TH-cam search box and watch whatever comes up. Thanks for the great discussion.
1:07:04 Great pick from Calvin. That whole London sequence is great with the music. Hans Zimmer's Bond theme is electrifying
Thank you all so much for this
Members of FOE (Friends of Eon) are spinning like a top to explain away the wasteful spending on this movie.
The Danny boyle stuff will have added to the cost. I think this film about the same cost as Spectre.
Great video! I thought it was very well structured - the questions were very well considered and generated a great discussion.
As of Spectre, the Craig Bond story arc felt retconned. But I agree with Joe, if they'd abandoned the story arc and just made NTTD a standalone adventure, it would have been trading one problem for another. I really envy Joe's reaction to the film. I had the opposite experience - after a certain point in the film (Felix's death?) the film could do no right.
Perhaps if his fate was left uncertain, or if he made himself disappear at the end, I think I would have had a better reaction to end of the film. As it is, the character deaths and, particularly, the use of the song "We Have All the Time in the World" were unearned, im my opinion. The inclusion of the child character took me completely out of the story. Her presence felt exploitative - an easy way to generate tension during the pursuit by the henchmen.
Calvin, thanks for putting in a word for the original (and, to my mind, only) meaning of "woke". I feel that the term has been hijacked by people who are afraid of confronting issues related to social justice. I didn't find anything problematic with the story in that regard. If anything, I felt Nomi's relinquishing her code number back to Bond felt out of character. The racist angle to the scientist's final speech might have been impactful if it had occurred during a scene that otherwise made an ounce of sense. (Why was there a pool of acid being stirred by workers in hip waders?)
Awards:
Best Character: Paloma
Best Style: Masked Safin
Per Calvin and Joe's remarks, I know that repeat viewings are required in order to properly appreciate it, but I simply feel disinclined to ever see it again. I'm hopeful that I'll want to see it again in the future.
Ranking:
1. Casino Royale
2. Quantum of Solace
3. Skyfall
4. Spectre
5. No Time to Die
OOH! Perhaps "Diminishing Returns" would be a good Bond title. It's rather Flemingesque.
Thanks for a very entertaining and thought-provoking video! Cheers!
Great video David! Love all you guys, and your respective channels and opinions. Just like NTTD needs multiple viewings, I've just watched this video twice back to back on my day off. I agree with so much of this, the likes and dislikes. But I will say I'm with Joe about Craig's Bond being it's own kind of self contained saga, thus I'm mostly okay with Bond dying. It just wraps up his arc and we can move forward now. Though, I do hope they do each new movie as a stand alone story, like they did traditionally.
Best James Bond move period. This is from a movie fan and not a die hard bond geek.
Honestly, it was a perfect end to a near-perfect generation of Bond. Even when the films stumbled they were still waaaaay better than average.
Far and away my thoughts.
1:34:55 excellent point by Joe. David Arnold and Daniel Kleinmann really updated the music and the pre-title graphics of the Bond movies into the modern age. Paying brilliant homages to John Barry and Maurice Binder.
I think David Arnold should be brought back and be in the role of John Barry of being the composer of a generation
i am ready to wake up at 05.00 (beijing time) , just be part of it.
I absolutely adore this and thank you for making two hours seem like no time had passed. Honestly, I LOVE No Time to Die and fall in line with Joe... It just hooked me from the beginning and loved every moment. Admittedly, Safin and the plot is rather weak but when I'm watching it, it really doesn't impact or take anything from the film. Great, great, great discussion and as Elliott Carver said "Delicious"!
My Craig ranking:
Casino Royale
No Time to Die
Spectre
Quantum of Solace
Skyfall
Okay guys, don’t have Apple TV or Amazon prime and it’s been out of theaters too long. No way for me to watch so I came back to revisit this round table. I love it and all of you guys and thank you all.
Reminder set to stun😆
What a great lineup of TH-camrs to do this
1:29:26 agreed. The Louis Armstrong song is synonymous with the James and Tracy Bond relationship. Whenever you hear that song you are transported back to that movie and to be honest, a better relationship between 2 main characters
I think Craig had said after Spectre that he'd rather slash his wrists than play another Bond. And despite Spectre being somewhat disliked by the general public, I find it a very good movie with an excellent ending. This is the way that Craig's era should've ended. But when forced to play another Bond, I bet he said 'okay, but I die at the end', which is a thorough show of disrespect for fans. It was worth going to see it for the rather good beginning and, above all, for Ana de Arma's absolutely brilliant performance. I wish she got involved in a better Bond movie.
Forget this quote. People are hung up about this, but they simply didn't understand. He said the same after quantum. It is the way he handels the media. Don't take it at face value.
This was a great discussion. Not familiar with your channel but hope all of you can come back and talk it out for each bond film that comes out in the future.
I don’t agree with the view that Bond didn’t have to die at the end of NTTD. He wasn’t just infected. He was bleeding out, too. Just remember that this is lore. The fun of a long franchise is visiting different takes on the tale, the fiction. If his death is never explored, the full story is never explored. Again, James Bond will return! This is how I also enjoy movies like Quantum and Moonraker. It’s one take-that’s it! It’s fun to see James displayed in different ways.
I thought NTTD was the most Bond of all Craig’s films. Not the best film. But the best Bond film.
It isn’t linear, but many stories do link. Given this series is the origins of bond it doesn’t make sense.
@@robbelliii Is linear what we want? And if this series is only Bonds origins, wouldn’t they have excluded the end of his career? Sometimes we just have to lighten up on reviews, I feel, and enjoy the themes being played out in fresh ways
I'm so excited that I just found out that the opening song and sequence to NO TIME TO DIE is my favorite that I can think of in Daniel Craig's entire era right now other than the first song with Chris Cornell and it's corresponding movie footage with the Maurice Bender style thing. I MEAN I'VE SEEN THIS MOVIE TWICE BEFORE AND I SOMEHOW LIKE WATCHING IT TODAY DID NOT EVEN REMEMBER SEEING THAT AMAZING STUFF WITH ALL THE HYPE DIED DOWN YOU HAVE GOT TO WATCH IT AGAIN AND REALIZE HOW FREAKING BEAUTIFUL THIS IS!
I think one of the main influences on how this film will be looked at in the future will actually be what they decide to do next.
Will it be something better or will we look back and hanker for the Craig era films, including this one?
Also it can be hard to compare Bond films from different eras with each other sometimes, whereas the next new Bond film will be something "uncraig" that we can directly compare to its predecessor and as a result may make this film look better or worse than we perceive it now.
Watching again - third time! So good to hear you guys discuss it. Love from Thailand
Feeling sorry for Joe being outnumbered here, totally concur with him, absolutely adored the film (3x viewings thus far) and it's my second favourite Daniel Craig movie after Casino. A phenomenal movie, beautifully shot, emotional, incredible action sequences, perfectly scored, I can't fault it and I'm a lifelong Bond fan.
Great debate guys there's no right or wrong. The movie is what it is entertainment. Me I loved it a fitting end to the Craig era Let's reboot I can't wait
Thanks to all of you.... great stuff... I feel there is something none of you have talked about... I always thought that Bond movies are supposed to be fun.. If you look at the early 60's and right up to 2006, they're all fun.. why all of sudden do we have to be so serious.. I've read all the Fleming novels and Bond is the kind of guy we all wish we were and go to places we've never seen... Oh well, it's just a movie.., cheers and thanks fellas for your thoughts
1:03:32 and 1:04:14 love that scene. Especially the heart pumping version of the James Bond theme by Hans Zimmer. Perfection
Good talk guys! Personally, It feels like the filmmakers walked past the best ending of Bond finding redemption through saving and being with his daughter for the sake of an emotionally manipulative ending that they didn't pay off successfully. And My list falls with David's. As much as I thought Quantum would be the worst film when I first saw it. It holds up strong against Specter and there are aspects of Quantum that has it even close to No Time to Die for me.
The best Bond fans all put together! Yayyyyy!
Sad and happy as well for watching Daniel Craig as Bond one last time
Great video, guys. Everyone has an opinion about this movie and nobody’s wrong. I am Team Joe on this one. I absolutely loved this movie. People say that when you leave a Bond film you should be walking on air after seeing your hero triumphant. For me, I was elated because of the emotional impact it had on me. Yes, I was entertained but I was also moved. That last scene with Madeleine and Mathilde in the Aston-Perfection! Wow!
Re Q. “Homosexual” is such a clinical term. It’s 2021, I think it’s OK to say “gay”. A little awkward to hear that.
Just saw it again tonight on digital here at home with my family…
And I hated the ending even more!
Because It is very clear that he had more than enough time to escape that island
so it was actually basically James Bond COMMITTING SUICIDE.
Absolutely not cool that they did this guys..
and it definitely was not the right way to kill him off if that’s what they really wanted to do.
Sure, he did have time, but with nanobots in his blood, if he escaped he would put his family in danger since they had been programmed as targets. Also, the nanobots can reprogrammed for other targets he might not agree with. Still think the writers could have written so he does not die, which is my preference as well.
Although I get that the writers made this happen, but there are reasons why he couldn't leave. The nanobots would infect anybody, and this would spread and spread until it reaches his family. He in theory would have to have no contact with any human being
@@TheOTA101
Yea I see where they were going with that.
But I think Calvin was right - they were really trying very hard to pile it on at the end to show why this had to happen…
but even after all that - he still just stood there and let himself get blown up.
Which is totally out of character when you think of every single book or movie we’ve ever seen of him since he was created!
The James Bond we all know would never - ever - just give up like that.
Even excusing the nanobots, the man had been shot several times and was bleeding out, limping and struggling. It took him like two minutes to climb a ladder, do you honestly think he could've limped down that big staircase, across the length and breadth of the base... And then what? He swims while full of bullet holes?
@@tayzadayzah6681 He's Bond and even Craig's Bond can take a beating none of us ever could
I am in Australia and just seen the movie. I was disappointed to see 007 die at the end. Loved almost everything else about it,
1:11:20 Well done for bringing this up...it all got a bit weird in the press a few years ago. Thought it was really well handled by the panel. In the end the question seemed to boil down to 'How threatened did you feel by the final product?' The answer seemed, thankfully, to be..."Not very!" You can go looking for stuff if you like or you can just enjoy the movie for what it is...Good point about previous films e.g. Golden Eye crossing that territory before and nobody making a big deal about it. Good job Gents. Love your channels.
It's such a fun vacuum. Not even a double-taking pigeon! "Once Was Enough" would be a better title. I haven't watched it since the first time.
Great round table discussion. Loved it. I was surprised that there was no mention of the film's original working title Shatterhand announced in February 2019. I think that with the pandemic kicking in and delays in release, etc, there were problems and a variety of revisits to the script, plot, etc followed. You guys are more likely in the know, but I reckon there were changes here and there, and this led to some possible plot-holes and a reworking of the villians in the movie. Anyway, more round-tables like this. Very enjoyable.
awesome guys........ive been to every bond on first night since 73...............I have plenty of things to say about this movie.......would love to talk to you about it.........all the best from Scotland
I wanna touch on, in Spectre, onboard the train to Blofeld's lair as Bond tries teaching Madeleine how to handle a gun. She mentions how a man once came to her home as a child which would then explain why she knows how to use a gun, but also go on and use that as a sequence for the opening of No Time To Die. However, my problem with that, and it goes to show they never really planned for sequels. Few moments later in Spectre, when Bond and Madeliene enters the very room with Blofelt, examining the meteorite. Blofeld says to Madeline "I came to your home once, to see your father" to which she replies "I don't remember" and Blofeld responds "But I do" which would then imply he was the one showing up at the beginning of No Time To Die instead of Safin?
There was a framed photo of Blofeld / Oberhausen with Madeline as a girl - remember on the mantle of her “chamber” when they arrived to Blofeld’s crater lair? Obviously, Madeline would have remembered the face of any attacker (like how she constantly carried the memory of the Man in the Mask) - she played off Blofeld’s “I came to see your father…” her father was a prominent and trusted member of SPECTRE up until only recently. I never thought for a moment that Blofeld went to her house to kill anyone - he was a friendly associate at that time.
@@complicatedtime Oh, I overlooked that. I need to rewatch that very scene again. But now that you mention it, could that frame acknowledge that Mr. White once worked with Spectre and that relationship didn't work out? Mr. White does mention the morality shift which made him deviate from Spectre right before his suicide.
Oh blofeld's line I think was a shout out to inglorious basterds where waltz enters seydoux's house
The Bond Quartet. A guaranteed occasion for beautiful, if at times dissonant, music.
The ending is very Flemingesque. Bond isn't a cartoon character. He's human. He has flaws. Certainly, the film versions have often treated him like a cartoon superhero come to life for the After School Special crowd. But whenever the series goes off the wall with 13 year old boy fantasies like Die Another Day or A View To A Kill, they usually bring it back to the novels. Living Daylights, Casino Royale and to a lesser extent For Your Eyes Only are examples and those are some of my favourite Bond films. I really don't think it's necessary to cringe at anything in a 007 movie. The early Connery films were seeped in death as essentially the main theme of those movies, particularly From Russia With Love, maybe my favourite Bond film of all time. Bond films at their best are realistic spy thrillers, not goofy action comedies for barely teenage boys. Tone is everything in a Bond film. You can have your one-liners, as long as they fit with a darker tone. Bond is a lethal assassin with major PTSD and substance abuse issues. There's nothing in that that screams sitcom. The Craig films are supposed to be more or less grounded in reality (with a few facepalm inducing exceptions), so what's more realistic than having Bond die? We can debate if it's done correctly, but killing off Bond at some point in this series just seemed obvious to me, especially if we're doing this Daniel Craig, flawed, realistic 007 thing. I'll take that ending over anything in the Brosnan films, which were just a series of very juvenile films that appealed to only teenage boys in the 90s and hardcore Bond fans who would watch a bad Bond film.
I loved No Time to Die. I think it's among my favorite Bond movies.
The interesting question that this put on my mind, was: Why aren't there more kids in the James Bond franchise? Family themes certainly worked for the Indiana Jones character - both when he was in the father role with Short Round, and when he was in the son's role, with Sean Connery as Dr Jones Sr.
I think both dynamics should be toyed around with in the Bond franchise. Not everytime - the world he inhabits is very solitary and mature. But occasionally, that can bring an interesting twist to him.
Umm because it's an adult themed action movie ...kids are NOT needed in bond
@@petechambers541 I think that kids add can a lot of drama and emotion to adult scenes. Talking to kids is magical.
This might be the greatest crossover event ever
The Avengers and Justice League got nothing on these guys haha!
The overriding feeling I get from No Time to Die (and evidenced by his co-producer credit) is that Craig was given far too much creative control. The whole daddy Bond thing is oddly autobiographical considering he had a kid around the time of shooting, and his death sucks because it doesn’t feel like they’re actually killing Bond, but rather that it’s Craig saying, “I don’t want to play Bond anymore!”
I do kind of admire that the film, in a series full of absurdity and camp, is somehow one of the weirdest entries - massive (and I mean massive) tonal whiplash the whole time, totally baffling performances, especially from Malik and Fiennes, inexplicable parallels and visual references to many Bond, Metal Gear and Call of Duty games - and a ton of cringeworthy fan service. Too bad it’s 45 minutes too long, the titles and gunbarrel are crap, and the score stinks.
Get off the fence!
Hilarious comment 😂
There were some great scenes in NTTD, one of them being the iconic Aston getting repeatedly hammered, before Bond spins it into an absolute killing machine. But DC’s Bond is just too weak, emotionally, to be a good 00. Even weaker than Lazenby’s, for that matter. DC’s Bond was great the action; maybe the best. But killing Bond off made him the worst failure in the franchise’s history. Because none of the other Bonds died.
I just want to let all you guys know that man I just started no time that I'm watching the opening title sequence with the song playing and this thing is just rocking my world more than it ever has before like I'm just I am falling straight in love with this movie guys it is wow I mean after the hype is that done when you actually realize what you are getting in this even just in this opening video sequence I mean guys oh my gosh this is awesome!!