You guys all do a great job sharing these hobbys. After all, isnt it all about learning and enjoying yourself? I started camping in a 28ft pull behind, then a 27' fifth wheel. I watched my first ever Blackie Thomas silver wolf vid about getting out with a walking stick.. I sold my fifth wheel , made a kickbutt stick with my grands, bought two onewind tarps and drug out my old hunting and service gear, here Iam two yrs later 70 lbs lighter and haveing my grandsons beggin me to take em to the woods!! Getting back to basics has been cleansing for me. Thankyou all!
👍 I really enjoy these round tables, thank you all for doing them. I must begin by saying I agree with Nathanael & his wife, “we can use but not abuse nature”. I am only about 23-24 minutes into the recorded version of the video and my head is spinning; bushcraft, woodcraft, campcraft, traditional camping, classic camping 😵💫. IMHO all these terms were created to sell product, not to promote enjoyment of the wilderness. As I commented on Sarge’s video I am old enough to remember when we just called it camping. It can be camping using old stuff (or, quality reproductions), camping using new stuff, or camping using a mixed bag (where I fit in). Unless camping is done in a relatively remote location with a knowledge of the land and nature it just a picnic in the city park. My father was born in 1912, I was born in 1950; at a very early age (single digits) my father taught me how to enjoy the Maine Woods and the hills of New Hampshire by learning about them and the creatures who lived there. I have tried to expand that philosophy to the vast geography of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado. Please can we not find common ground in all the definitions and just call it camping once again?
👍 I am now into this video and do understand you guys are discussing camping with old stuff (or, quality reproductions). I applaud your efforts because they have allowed to acquire gear I like for my mixed bag collecting. Two additional comments (see earlier comments): 1) There seem to be too many categories within the Camping With Old Stuff category. Couldn’t there just be “newbies” and “experienced”. 2) I must disagree on the point of the results of Camping With Old Stuff vs. Camping With A Mixed Bag; I feel I can be every bit as in touch with the land, nature, and my ancestors in my mixed bag of old & new gear as anyone fully decked out in period correct gear. I hope that you guys fully enjoy camping in old stuff, but I have just as much enjoyment in camping with my mix of stuff. Plus I do not need a Model T, a horse & pack mule, or a steel tent to move my gear, it fits nicely in my Kelty A4 backpack with a modern hip belt. 😃 Again, a very interesting round table. Please do more when time permits.
I think classic camping refers to post World War II family camping because of the boom that happened then. And maybe the camping explosion that happened after World War I as well.
I think it pays to keep it simple. Like it was said at the end; just go camping. Dabble here, dabble there. Like martial arts vs street fighting; pick the best from each art to build yourself into what you want to be. What matters is you are in, and part of, the woods.
I remember as kid back the 1970s camping and sleeping in a canvas tent and makeing shelters and cooking over a opened fire and carvaing stuff out of wood and in elementary school we would sleep in canvas tents and make shelter and cooking over opened fire and making stuff out of wood . They need to bring this back into schools again
Just what is "Classic Camping"? Is it something I go out in the woods and do? Is it marketing for niche products? Is it group demonstration for some audience? Is it a gear collector's indoor hobby? Is it a scholarly intellectual pursuit? Toward what end are the limits of period? What is a "Squirrel Camp" where nobody hunts squirrels? Do you do it on your feet, sitting in a chair, or lying down? I hear 4 opinions, partially the same, but each unique in other ways. Where is the whole works going?
If nothing else you can start your own and if you need help and guidance join the Campcrafter's Guild, we will support and help you! Www.honorableoutfitters.com/jointheguild
Bushcraft and woodscrafts are continuations of the human history of living off the land pursuing a purpose such as the longhunters, the voyagers, explorers. They could not carry enough goods to possibly survive on. They must have sought food and created camps in which to survive and thrive.
bushcraft to me is just more nature based camping/outdoors skills, using minimal premade tools, making your own tools, building fires with natural resources, cooking on the fire, its more about skills then tools overall. i hesitate to allow the gatekeeping to creep in, if you want to make your fire with a modern knife, scraping fatwood, and hitting it with a spark instead of just crumpling up a wad of papers and lighter fluid under a pile of precut plastic wrapped tinder youre practicing skills. ive camped at almost every level of technology and currently use a healthy mix of skill based low tech stuff before sleeping on a modern air mattress because im just not gonna sleep on the dirt on a wool blanket and pretend thats the only way to do it unless its an actual emergency and im lost in the woods away from my camp.
@@honorableoutfitters yes, because they cherry-picked the funnest parts of camping, survival and hunting to create a new "thing". Oh, and a chance to model girl-jeans, jcrew flannel vest, knee-length logger boots, and moostash wax.
You guys all do a great job sharing these hobbys. After all, isnt it all about learning and enjoying yourself? I started camping in a 28ft pull behind, then a 27' fifth wheel. I watched my first ever Blackie Thomas silver wolf vid about getting out with a walking stick.. I sold my fifth wheel , made a kickbutt stick with my grands, bought two onewind tarps and drug out my old hunting and service gear, here Iam two yrs later 70 lbs lighter and haveing my grandsons beggin me to take em to the woods!! Getting back to basics has been cleansing for me. Thankyou all!
The term Historic Camping works really well because you can pick anytime in history and choose to pursue that avenue.
P.S. it was good to see David Wescott. I've been enjoying his articles in BWM.
👍 I really enjoy these round tables, thank you all for doing them. I must begin by saying I agree with Nathanael & his wife, “we can use but not abuse nature”.
I am only about 23-24 minutes into the recorded version of the video and my head is spinning; bushcraft, woodcraft, campcraft, traditional camping, classic camping 😵💫. IMHO all these terms were created to sell product, not to promote enjoyment of the wilderness.
As I commented on Sarge’s video I am old enough to remember when we just called it camping.
It can be camping using old stuff (or, quality reproductions), camping using new stuff, or camping using a mixed bag (where I fit in).
Unless camping is done in a relatively remote location with a knowledge of the land and nature it just a picnic in the city park.
My father was born in 1912, I was born in 1950; at a very early age (single digits) my father taught me how to enjoy the Maine Woods and the hills of New Hampshire by learning about them and the creatures who lived there. I have tried to expand that philosophy to the vast geography of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado.
Please can we not find common ground in all the definitions and just call it camping once again?
Awesome all my favorite fellows in one area!
👍 I am now into this video and do understand you guys are discussing camping with old stuff (or, quality reproductions). I applaud your efforts because they have allowed to acquire gear I like for my mixed bag collecting.
Two additional comments (see earlier comments):
1) There seem to be too many categories within the Camping With Old Stuff category. Couldn’t there just be “newbies” and “experienced”.
2) I must disagree on the point of the results of Camping With Old Stuff vs. Camping With A Mixed Bag; I feel I can be every bit as in touch with the land, nature, and my ancestors in my mixed bag of old & new gear as anyone fully decked out in period correct gear.
I hope that you guys fully enjoy camping in old stuff, but I have just as much enjoyment in camping with my mix of stuff. Plus I do not need a Model T, a horse & pack mule, or a steel tent to move my gear, it fits nicely in my Kelty A4 backpack with a modern hip belt. 😃
Again, a very interesting round table. Please do more when time permits.
Bushcraft is what we, as Boy Scouts called camping. I grew up in the 60s and 70s when it was called Camp Craft. Interesting panel.
I'd say the Wilderness Survival merit badge is modern Boy Scout's bushcrafting course.
One of these days, we need to get all of you around the campfire
I think classic camping refers to post World War II family camping because of the boom that happened then. And maybe the camping explosion that happened after World War I as well.
I think it pays to keep it simple. Like it was said at the end; just go camping. Dabble here, dabble there. Like martial arts vs street fighting; pick the best from each art to build yourself into what you want to be. What matters is you are in, and part of, the woods.
Artists ... Writers, journalists, documentarians are the true people that understood their place in history and what they were accomplishing.
I was gonna comment n then i heard mr. Wescott and i figured out i need 2 open ears n close mouth 😅 ..thats y hes 1 of the titans .
I remember as kid back the 1970s camping and sleeping in a canvas tent and makeing shelters and cooking over a opened fire and carvaing stuff out of wood and in elementary school we would sleep in canvas tents and make shelter and cooking over opened fire and making stuff out of wood . They need to bring this back into schools again
Man that would be awesome! I'd gladly give up my indoor classroom for an outdoor one!
Just what is "Classic Camping"? Is it something I go out in the woods and do? Is it marketing for niche products? Is it group demonstration for some audience? Is it a gear collector's indoor hobby? Is it a scholarly intellectual pursuit? Toward what end are the limits of period? What is a "Squirrel Camp" where nobody hunts squirrels? Do you do it on your feet, sitting in a chair, or lying down? I hear 4 opinions, partially the same, but each unique in other ways. Where is the whole works going?
I wonder if we have those avent up here in Canada
If nothing else you can start your own and if you need help and guidance join the Campcrafter's Guild, we will support and help you! Www.honorableoutfitters.com/jointheguild
A camp or an encampment is one thing, and they have been used militarily and exploratory, but Camping is a recreational pursuit.
Bushcraft and woodscrafts are continuations of the human history of living off the land pursuing a purpose such as the longhunters, the voyagers, explorers. They could not carry enough goods to possibly survive on. They must have sought food and created camps in which to survive and thrive.
bushcraft to me is just more nature based camping/outdoors skills, using minimal premade tools, making your own tools, building fires with natural resources, cooking on the fire, its more about skills then tools overall. i hesitate to allow the gatekeeping to creep in, if you want to make your fire with a modern knife, scraping fatwood, and hitting it with a spark instead of just crumpling up a wad of papers and lighter fluid under a pile of precut plastic wrapped tinder youre practicing skills. ive camped at almost every level of technology and currently use a healthy mix of skill based low tech stuff before sleeping on a modern air mattress because im just not gonna sleep on the dirt on a wool blanket and pretend thats the only way to do it unless its an actual emergency and im lost in the woods away from my camp.
I think Dave Canterbury did a great job articulating bushcrafting in his response video. It is about skills with few tools and survival.
Woodscraft works better than woodcraft to describe what you guys are talking about.
Sorry to dominate the comment thread, but one last thought, we are just ants In the whole scheme of things.
Only sane people go into the woods with only what they can carry ... and suvive!
Bushcraft is kind of an australian term.
Lol "bushcrafters"
Backyard cosplay and spoon carving
I think it has skills that are useful.
@@honorableoutfitters yes, because they cherry-picked the funnest parts of camping, survival and hunting to create a new "thing".
Oh, and a chance to model girl-jeans, jcrew flannel vest, knee-length logger boots, and moostash wax.
Reenacting ... enacting ... acting ... ...