Aaaaand..................................................... do you know that pikachu's tail tip is not black anymore. It's just yellow.!!! I'm Sorry this is a different topic, but I'm surprised to know that, I'm still shocked. Just can't get it out of my mind.
I am the ALPHA MALE of this comment section and I command RESPECT. Right now I am ordering you to NOT view any of my videos. Instead just look at my thumbnails and be JEALOUS. Bye bye dhr7
PC desktops, 3-5 years for me. PC Laptops 2-3 years (MAX). Macs ... 7 years usually. Now my current 2013 27" iMac is ready to be upgraded. This is the one I'd normally buy, but now with the transition coming (and I won't buy the 1st gen of that) .. I'm in a bad spot. Wait .. and end up with a 9 or 10 year old iMac in the process. (to be fair, my kids mostly use it I have a 2017 MBP as well, and a pretty cool PC). But yes this "Osbourne" effect is real.
2000: Matte finish is obviously best for monitors! 2010: Gloss finish is obviously best for monitors! 2020: Matte finish is obviously best for monitors!
Like i know you probably know this, and it was a joke, however: matte displays had significantly worse contrast and image quality compared to glossy ones for quite some time now. As an owner of both a dell matte display and a 2020 nano-textured imac i can tell you that the imac has much better contrast than the dell, but also MUCH BETTER ANTIGLARE, to the point where the dell seems glossy by comparison.
But we have an extremely glossy XDR display on the new iPad with NO nano-coating option! Surely a tablet have no problems with screen glare and reflections, but I can't put a hood on top of my pro monitor at home like *everyone doing color accurate work in the world* and have to pay 500 bucks for a matte version... Oh well.
mark yastion Same here. All that I’ve had done to it is a RAM bump and a new SSHD put in. Been a pretty solid machine really, and like how its easy(ish) to get at its internals, since the display is just magnetically connected to the unit. I’ll probably upgrade it to a Mac Mini, as I’m loathe to pay the Apple tax for RAM, or for the VESA mount option.
Sure, but depending on your use-case, the point where it “isn’t good anymore” can vary wildly. You might be using it for some high intensity work where it is economically worth upgrading in 12-24mths. Or you could be like me and only need to upgrade every 5-6yrs.
We’re still using some 2012 MacBook Pros at work. The batteries are still good for the most part and their fine speed-wise for office work. They’re absolute tanks with the best build quality I’ve ever seen in a laptop. My own laptop is a 2015 model, and I have no reason to upgrade.
They are expensive, but the second hand market is super strong. You don't need to run it until it dies, you can still sell them for very good prices years down the line, more so than pretty much any other tech.
@@marsrocket Damn, that's some longevity! My 2009 MacBook Pro became processor-bound obsolete in about 5 or 6 years of use. Tried upgrading to an SSD, putting more RAM, but the Core 2 Duo was good for nothing more then about 5 web browser tabs and that's it. I still have it, and it'll be my computer dedicated for scanning photo negatives (damn FireWire). Also got a new battery around that time. My 2017 MacBook Pro touchbar is already asking for a new battery. Won't hold 20 minutes off the power. That sucks. Thinking about getting a new one, but it's kinda expensive. 😔
You may have a unicorn but clearly you taken good care of that machine. While everyone is getting new I still buy used intels. They still hold up very well.
Basically comes down to this: “can you wait 1-2 years now to buy a computer that will likely last 3-4 years longer than buying the current available version right now.”
I don’t think you’ll be able to dual-boot windows tho. I know it’s unnecessary for most people but being able to use apps from both side and also for school purposes it’s neat
@@donny5073 Yeah, that kinda sucks. I use Windows on my Mac to make and test my games. The Mac side for the art and music creation. It was nice having just one machine.
MKBHD : Gets the studio lighting on point so that there are no reflections. Also MKBHD : Cant show off matte glass because of the studio lighting. Correction: I've watched about 5 more reviews and the screen is amazing that even in direct light it does not show any kind of reflections whatsoever, they have done a mind boggling job with this thing.
March 2022 & I just bought a 3.8GHz 27". Classic design never gets "old". And Intel Apple Refurbished prices have never been so low :) My last iMac (mid 2011) was bought new in 2012 & is still going.strong...using an external SSD via Thunderbolt.
i have a different opinion: with macs with intel cpus, when apple decides they are obsolete, you can stick linux or windows on them and continue using them for years (in my house we have a 2007 mac mini core2duo, i put an ssd in it, and runs windows 10 just fine). With ARM you're gonna be stuck, because of course apple is not gonna use the same spec as, let's say, a RasPi, so you can't install linux without some serious work or virtualization. so i'm seriously thinking of getting a new mac NOW, before the transition, so i can enjoy it as long as i please.
Right now you can go on ubuntu cdimage page and grab an AARCH64 server iso that installs like any other iso. It does have the extra difficulty needing to install the gui on your own which should be only a couple commands.
@@Diguz91 No, there's just a lot of hardware incompatibility with things like the touch bar and track pad. Not saying it'd be a great experience in 2021 when the devices are released but by the time apple stops supporting the first arm macs, most of the bugs should be worked out. I don't know how it works now, but historically you could install windows bare metal on macs through boot camp, those same mechanisms allow you to install Linux.
People who buy Macs don't buy them to install windows or linux on them. I get where you're going with this, and it's a nice way of making old machine usable again, but I bought Mac to use with macOS, I can install windows or linux on any other (way cheaper) computer.
5:16 Ngl, I would be surprised if the iMac Pro even got an update, cause rn, they are throwing everything at the regular iMac, and if you need something better than a regular iMac then Apple would recommend you get a Mac Pro
Yeah apple is definitely not recommending the Mac Pro to anyone, it's really weak at the price points where iMac pro competes, it only makes sense if you're speccing it out. Apple is probably gonna stop updating both until they can figure out scaling their own processors for professional applications
@@manaspradhan8041 "It only makes sense if you're speccing it out" This is exactly my point. If you spec out a regular iMac (which by the way, can be maxed out to $8,500), and that is STILL NOT ENOUGH power for the work you need to do, then Apple will recommend a Mac Pro. That's what I meant when I commented earlier.
@@arkhalis3682 Yeah, I have a feeling that the iMac Pro was just a filler product. They probably released it to give actual professionals something better than a base iMac back in 2017, just until they got their new Mac Pro ready in 2019.
It will probably be discontinued. It was just there to be a placeholder for the Mac Pro and the new updated iMac's performance is as good as if not better than the iMac Pro
For those who are wondering: "What is Osborne effect?" Wikipedia: *The Osborne effect is a social phenomenon of customers canceling or deferring orders for the current soon-to-be-obsolete product as an unexpected drawback of a company's announcing a future product prematurely.*
I'm watching this in 2023 and still no new 27 inch imac...🤔 Looks like I'll have to buy a refurbished one from apple until or if they ever come out with a new one. The 24 inch is a no go
To be fair, I'm buying it cause I've been waiting since January to change my mid 2015 and who wants to be an early adopter of a product that has a high chance of not supporting some of the applications you desperately need. Since I use these to bring food on the table, I can't afford to waste time on things I shouldn't waste time on. Great vid!
As you said, is better to wait for iMacs with Apple Silicon. Despite this though, this Mac is a definitive goodbye for Intel processors. Nice video, as usual.
Not so sure about this. The big benefit of Apple Silicon will be that they will use much less power than Intel chips, which will make them great for battery life in MacBooks, but it doesn’t really help an iMac. And I doubt Apple silicon will outperform the current top of the line desktop chips found in the iMac. Also, I think Boot Camp and the ability to run Windows will be gone with Apple silicon.
@@GraysonCarr I agree with you. Actually yes. With the release of Macs with Apple Silicon and macOS Big Sur, it's almost certain that bootcamp won't be available.
I still ended up buying the 2020 iMac fully spec'd out. I love it! I have the MBP Pro 14" too and I still use the iMac because of the power + screen. Worst case, I can also turn it into a windows PC or just use the display and connect that with my MBP and use only the display for it. I prefer this route over the studio display.
@@frezydynecy Ironically, there is rumours that Windows will start dropping Intel too and start a transition to ARM based processors on their own stuff as well because of the hot mess that is Intel right now. So who knows, Intel processors are starting to feel like an option only for PC people that build their own rigs, and even then most PC gamers would rather use AMDs chips.
Most of my life I have been a frequent updater. 2-3 years max between new computers. But in 2014 I bought the very first 5k iMac on the first day of pre-order. I got a maxed out BTO model, and it still is working great. But at 6 years, I figured it was time for an upgrade. When they announced at WWDC 2020 the switch to Apple Silicon, I decided I would get the first iMac to have it. I was hoping this update was it, so was disappointed was just another intel spec update. Hope my old iMac makes it to 7! Marques, you are hands down the very best tech reviewer on TH-cam today. You rock man!
Not related to video content, but I just noticed a small glitch that caught my attention. I really really like the way you make videos, its PRO-Grade, the composition, the effects, everything so subtle without being pompous. But I think this is the first time I have noticed something like this @1:30 , your setup would have bumped to something. Anyways, I think you would have realized later. Keep posting great videos!!!! Love your videos so much, I am not even interested in the topic, but still I opened up this video, just to see your delicious video. :-)
Wiki said that : The Osborne effect is a social phenomenon of customers canceling or deferring orders for the current soon-to-be-obsolete product as an unexpected drawback of a company's announcing a future product prematurely.
It was named after the Osborne Computer Corporation, who pre-announced an upcoming machine so incredible that it utterly destroyed sales of their current model, causing the company to go bankrupt before the new computer could ever hit the market.
Marques nails another review. I'm in the market for an iMac and this update is very tempting with its 10-core option. It's so nice to have an expert lay out all the issues to consider before buying a new machine. Thanks! (again)
Totally true but the relationship with AMD won't be going anywhere soon. I imagine the mac pros even with intel silicon will allow for GPU upgrades and all of these arm based macs should still support e-GPUs. Yes they won't be included in the laptop but I doubt apple will cut out support for those that will need more graphics horsepower on the go. Thunderbolt 4 is also scheduled but unfortunately doesn't increase bandwidth/speed. Hopefully thunderbolt 5 will so that people can finally get full performance from External GPU setups.
That’s not really surprising, as it’s a pro machine, also anything under 512gb of storage is abysmal in computers, and you definitely want more than a couple terabytes
You’re not preaching to no one!! My BF kept his previous iMac for almost ten years. He was considering buying his new one but hadn’t considered the change in the processor... so you just convinced him to wait a couple of years to buy the new one and get a better deal and hopefully have another 10 years with it
I enjoyed what was said about the potential last of the Intel iMacs. I like what Apple has done internally and if this is the last of these Intel based iMacs, I may move forward and purchase one. (:
3:58: Actually, the first difference I noticed in the video was that the glass around the screen seemed to be an odd, very pure black, which would usually be a bit more reflective and, well, less of a pure ventablack-like colour. The bezel is so dark, that I wouldn't be surprised if the pixel data of it was entirely (0, 0, 0). I'm not sure I've ever seen such a pure black background for a screen before. 8:28: I actually do like using my electronics for as long as possible. I look at electronics news more for entertainment than actually purchasing things, because it's really fun to see what's new but often my current electronics work perfectly fine, especially those that can be upgraded. My phone is from 2014 and my PC was built in 2016 with a CPU, motherboard, and RAM from about 2009. Since I don't have that much money, I also love to get things used that used to be top of the line (or just really high end) at some point, but which are now much cheaper (like my CPUs, Intel Xeon X5560s, that originally cost over $1000 each but cost $30 for both when I bought them in 2016). A few years after the last Intel Mac is made, it may be interesting to buy one of them and have the best possible Intel/Mac machine, or, if/when Intel becomes obsolete in PCs in general, to buy the best possible Intel machine available period. I really love old hardware that used to be expensive but is now dirt cheap, because that means I can have something that is the best in its class in at least _one_ category. So, I don't think you're preaching to nobody... though to be fair, I wasn't in the market for a Mac anyway, because self-built Linux PCs can last quite a bit longer while still staying lightning fast. Not that Macs aren't good Linux machines either, though. I originally switched to Gentoo Linux on my 2007 MacBook 3,1 around 2015, since Linux had much better game support due to being updated much more than Mac OS X 10.6.8, while also being faster than Mac OS X 10.6.8, and MUCH faster than Mac OS X 10.7.2 (which was really slow on my old MacBook compared to 10.6.8). But the point is, one can still be a tech enthusiast interested in learning about all the latest gadgets, without necessarily actually buying them. Tech is really fun, but I have no need to stress the environment and my wallet actually _buying_ everything when my existing technology still works great and nice channels like yours let me see all the latest stuff too :) .
I got my 27-inch iMac in 2015 and I still LOVE it. I did add some memory (now 24 GB DDR3) and I own a handful of external hard drives but otherwise it has been a powerhouse for everything from gaming to video editing, music creation, and more. I would happily wait a year or two for a Apple Silicon and a redesign.
We have an 20" early 2008 iMac happily chugging along as our home server. I never gets shut down. It doesn't know it's old because we did tell it. Some things are better left unsaid.
Marques: Let’s talk Max
Me: ok
LOL! Best comment ever XD
Omg comment of the year XD
Lol
Best comment!
You have been promoted to CEO of comedy
Legit that's funny tho
Him reaching back to tilt the screen at 4:05 is cursed. Thought his arm was 10ft long for a minute...
Mr fantastic
heheh lucky guy mkbhd noticed you
It seems like a wide angle lense effect
I had to rewind that... "wtf just happened??"
"Now you can use your Mac with Windows behind you"
Oh
Oh no no no...
Don't do that..... Don't give me hope
😀😂
😂😂
Ooooffffff
"Where else in Apple's lineup do you see bezels this big?"
iPhone SE: "So do you guys validate parking?"
Also the 2019 iPod touch 7th generation
@@lifeisshørt_420
Hold up.....that's a thing?
😳
KEN BEE Yup
and non pro ipads
Isee what you did there with that tshurt sportin that wide bezel coincidence?
‘I’ve only had it for two days’ *surprised pikachu face*
Aaaaand.....................................................
do you know that pikachu's tail tip is not black anymore. It's just yellow.!!!
I'm Sorry this is a different topic, but I'm surprised to know that, I'm still shocked. Just can't get it out of my mind.
I am the ALPHA MALE of this comment section and I command RESPECT. Right now I am ordering you to NOT view any of my videos. Instead just look at my thumbnails and be JEALOUS. Bye bye dhr7
@@AxxLAfriku ok...
@@majRFan Actually it was never black!
@@AxxLAfriku nice try to grab some attention
"Windows behind you"
I see what you did there
I don't think that was intended though.
Ahahaha
Hmmmmmmmmmm
But but but....
i dont't think that's true just beacuse of most people saying it only in respect to prices.
MKBHD: “Some people keep their computers for 9, 10 years.
But people watching this video DON’T fall into that demographic”
Me: wanna bet?
More like 5-7
Since 2012, I’m not gonna update this year
Me on my 2008 Dell Latitude: ...
I’m still using my mid 2010 iMac. 😂😂😂 waiting for the ARM imac.
PC desktops, 3-5 years for me. PC Laptops 2-3 years (MAX). Macs ... 7 years usually.
Now my current 2013 27" iMac is ready to be upgraded. This is the one I'd normally buy, but now with the transition coming (and I won't buy the 1st gen of that) .. I'm in a bad spot. Wait .. and end up with a 9 or 10 year old iMac in the process. (to be fair, my kids mostly use it I have a 2017 MBP as well, and a pretty cool PC). But yes this "Osbourne" effect is real.
2000: Matte finish is obviously best for monitors!
2010: Gloss finish is obviously best for monitors!
2020: Matte finish is obviously best for monitors!
Like i know you probably know this, and it was a joke, however: matte displays had significantly worse contrast and image quality compared to glossy ones for quite some time now. As an owner of both a dell matte display and a 2020 nano-textured imac i can tell you that the imac has much better contrast than the dell, but also MUCH BETTER ANTIGLARE, to the point where the dell seems glossy by comparison.
i liked ur coment now its 100 likes
2030: Gloss finish is obviously best for monitors!
But we have an extremely glossy XDR display on the new iPad with NO nano-coating option! Surely a tablet have no problems with screen glare and reflections, but I can't put a hood on top of my pro monitor at home like *everyone doing color accurate work in the world* and have to pay 500 bucks for a matte version...
Oh well.
2030: .....You know it
The iMac I'm on now I purchased in 2009. I can wait another year.
Late-2009 unibody with the SuperDrive as well?
Still reppin' my 2012 optical disk drive.
Evan Robertson that’s what I got. Core 2 duo. 😂
I suggest you wait up until the new Apple processors powered iMacs
mark yastion Same here. All that I’ve had done to it is a RAM bump and a new SSHD put in. Been a pretty solid machine really, and like how its easy(ish) to get at its internals, since the display is just magnetically connected to the unit.
I’ll probably upgrade it to a Mac Mini, as I’m loathe to pay the Apple tax for RAM, or for the VESA mount option.
I literally just searched Mac reviews to find out more about them. It came to me even before the recommendations
I don’t get it
Dude’s had this before it was even announced... dude is 100% Apple PAID
Build a PC.
Get a Nintendo pokemon Switch
@@RicardoMontania AusTin EvANs
“They’ve improved the webcam” me watching this at 144p because cabin WiFi “sure”
It’s still trash
SaceedAbul How so? Stop hating.
Butterbean it’s still to blurry.
@@SaceedAbul no shet but still better
J J for 5k they could have slapped an iPhone 8’s camera on there for 20 bucks. Theirs no excuse.
Dope tips! I’m definitely one of those people that will wait a few years, keen to see these silicon iMacs 👀
Start saving buddy
"How long do you plan on keeping that Mac" hell Macs are expensive. Whenever I buy a Mac, I intend to keep it till it isn't good anymore.
Sure, but depending on your use-case, the point where it “isn’t good anymore” can vary wildly.
You might be using it for some high intensity work where it is economically worth upgrading in 12-24mths.
Or you could be like me and only need to upgrade every 5-6yrs.
@@CertifiedSlamboy How hard it is to type "months" and "years"
We’re still using some 2012 MacBook Pros at work. The batteries are still good for the most part and their fine speed-wise for office work. They’re absolute tanks with the best build quality I’ve ever seen in a laptop. My own laptop is a 2015 model, and I have no reason to upgrade.
They are expensive, but the second hand market is super strong. You don't need to run it until it dies, you can still sell them for very good prices years down the line, more so than pretty much any other tech.
@@marsrocket Damn, that's some longevity! My 2009 MacBook Pro became processor-bound obsolete in about 5 or 6 years of use. Tried upgrading to an SSD, putting more RAM, but the Core 2 Duo was good for nothing more then about 5 web browser tabs and that's it. I still have it, and it'll be my computer dedicated for scanning photo negatives (damn FireWire). Also got a new battery around that time.
My 2017 MacBook Pro touchbar is already asking for a new battery. Won't hold 20 minutes off the power. That sucks. Thinking about getting a new one, but it's kinda expensive. 😔
Meanwhile, I'm stilling using my (fully specs out) late 2013 14-inch Retina MacBook Pro with FCPX and it still running great.
same here mine in 2015 bit but im not about to waste a thousand dollars
how's the xcode working?
but its a mac ,a fully specced mac is like a 10 yr old outdated machine
Exactly!
@@girlsdrinkfeck HAHAHA sure. Most PCs won't even last 10 years but Macs easily do. Optimization is the name of the game 😛
Was ALMOST ready to replace my 2010 Mac Pro with a new one... yeah I'm one of those people.
Same! :D
Life is short to be stingy with oneself
Me too
I feel that, still rocking my 2012 MacBook bro with CD drive😂
Buy a PC.
I'm still running my early 2009 imac. We bought a 2019 imac to replace it, but that 2009 mac just keeps on running, so now we have two imacs.
thats lucky as hell
I’m more than happy with my late 2015 model apart from issues with 4K video formats.
My dads still running his early 09 iMac, still goes hard and has never failed him
You may have a unicorn but clearly you taken good care of that machine. While everyone is getting new I still buy used intels. They still hold up very well.
4:02 Who else was surprised he was that close to the Mac 😂
he got dank long arms tho, also dem biceps
Lmao I just noticed that, something to do with the camera and the depth of field setting.
Woah
💝👄
MKBHD for Mr. Fantastic in the MCU.
Basically comes down to this:
“can you wait 1-2 years now to buy a computer that will likely last 3-4 years longer than buying the current available version right now.”
And lets not even talk abotu resale value.
but the one year wait might be worth it for supposedly better performance.
But the newer one would not support bootcanp, wich is pretty important for me
Man it would suck to buy this thing and next year see a beautiful design refresh for the same price.
Or $10 more
I don’t think you’ll be able to dual-boot windows tho. I know it’s unnecessary for most people but being able to use apps from both side and also for school purposes it’s neat
@@donny5073 I believe you are correct
@@donny5073 Yeah, that kinda sucks. I use Windows on my Mac to make and test my games. The Mac side for the art and music creation. It was nice having just one machine.
That thick bezels drive me crazy
MKBHD: Let's talk Macs for a minute
_Talks Macs for 10 minutes_
Lol
Makes sense right?
And 6 seconds
A Mac fanboy. What did you expect?
I've had my MacBook for almost 10 years and it still runs pretty well and I love it, I'd hate it to stop being updated
Unfortunately that's the tech cycle of life
Just watched your profile pic get changed!,how random is that
Don't worry apple doesn't change the design so it would still look modern after 10 years
I got the MacBook Pro with touch bar and it probably last me the same time... Provided I don't smash it
Do patching
Thank you for taking the time and gave us some quality advice.
MKBHD : Gets the studio lighting on point so that there are no reflections.
Also MKBHD : Cant show off matte glass because of the studio lighting.
Correction: I've watched about 5 more reviews and the screen is amazing that even in direct light it does not show any kind of reflections whatsoever, they have done a mind boggling job with this thing.
Hey they don't always script their words. (:
I like Marques’s presentation so much I tend to watch his review videos even of the products I don’t like!
5:56 "Where else in anywhere in Apple's lineup do you see bezels this big?"
*cough* iPod Touch *cough*
Dude, stop coughing at us. It's 2020.
@@ashleyjin2392 🤣🤣
Faxi my 2012 ipod nano 7g that i still use for the fun of it
Μαλακας Κουραδακιας 🤣
The iMac still has bigger bezels bro
His neighbours be like
"Damn, this man's having an affair with the delivery man"
Underrated comment
🤣
its commercial complex
5:57 “where else in Apple’s lineup do you see bezels this big”
iPhone SE: Am I a joke to you?
Exactly, i was thinking the same
The SE2 are not even that big 🙄😒
aotero u Yeah, I mean proportionally, they both look outdated
ACE Proportionally to the screen size, both have big bezels and outdated designs
everywhere...
March 2022 & I just bought a 3.8GHz 27". Classic design never gets "old".
And Intel Apple Refurbished prices have never been so low :) My last iMac (mid 2011) was bought new in 2012 & is still going.strong...using an external SSD via Thunderbolt.
Intel after hearing Apple won’t be using intel anymore: 👁💧👄💧👁
Trust me they knew it was coming
@@mkbhd I guess so
@@mkbhd all the way
😢 we have this emoji
@@anandsuralkar2947 ever heard of exaggeration of expression
‘’Now you can use the iMac in rooms with Windows behind you’’
I’m pretty sure Tim Cook wouldn’t approve of that
Me after listening to 10 minutes of Mac discussion: “I want that Tesla mug...”
tesla fans = simps
Spam much? Geez lol
i have a different opinion: with macs with intel cpus, when apple decides they are obsolete, you can stick linux or windows on them and continue using them for years (in my house we have a 2007 mac mini core2duo, i put an ssd in it, and runs windows 10 just fine). With ARM you're gonna be stuck, because of course apple is not gonna use the same spec as, let's say, a RasPi, so you can't install linux without some serious work or virtualization. so i'm seriously thinking of getting a new mac NOW, before the transition, so i can enjoy it as long as i please.
Right now you can go on ubuntu cdimage page and grab an AARCH64 server iso that installs like any other iso. It does have the extra difficulty needing to install the gui on your own which should be only a couple commands.
guitarbass95 well this is good... i thought apple locked the bootloader preventing dual-booting or installing another OS on their new shiny boxes
@@Diguz91 No, there's just a lot of hardware incompatibility with things like the touch bar and track pad. Not saying it'd be a great experience in 2021 when the devices are released but by the time apple stops supporting the first arm macs, most of the bugs should be worked out. I don't know how it works now, but historically you could install windows bare metal on macs through boot camp, those same mechanisms allow you to install Linux.
I never really thought about that. good point.
People who buy Macs don't buy them to install windows or linux on them. I get where you're going with this, and it's a nice way of making old machine usable again, but I bought Mac to use with macOS, I can install windows or linux on any other (way cheaper) computer.
5:16
Ngl, I would be surprised if the iMac Pro even got an update, cause rn, they are throwing everything at the regular iMac, and if you need something better than a regular iMac then Apple would recommend you get a Mac Pro
Yeah apple is definitely not recommending the Mac Pro to anyone, it's really weak at the price points where iMac pro competes, it only makes sense if you're speccing it out. Apple is probably gonna stop updating both until they can figure out scaling their own processors for professional applications
I have a feeling that they'll discontinue the iMac Pro
@@manaspradhan8041 "It only makes sense if you're speccing it out" This is exactly my point. If you spec out a regular iMac (which by the way, can be maxed out to $8,500), and that is STILL NOT ENOUGH power for the work you need to do, then Apple will recommend a Mac Pro. That's what I meant when I commented earlier.
@@arkhalis3682 Yeah, I have a feeling that the iMac Pro was just a filler product. They probably released it to give actual professionals something better than a base iMac back in 2017, just until they got their new Mac Pro ready in 2019.
It will probably be discontinued. It was just there to be a placeholder for the Mac Pro and the new updated iMac's performance is as good as if not better than the iMac Pro
Watching this on my iMac 2010, so you're speaking to me. And yes, I do care about the design and Apple silicon, so thanks for addressing that!
For those who are wondering: "What is Osborne effect?"
Wikipedia: *The Osborne effect is a social phenomenon of customers canceling or deferring orders for the current soon-to-be-obsolete product as an unexpected drawback of a company's announcing a future product prematurely.*
Thank you
It's in the video?
@@David_Huilar But it isn't wikipedia ; )
Can you translate it to English pls
@@legendemperor9150 but it's in the video
I'm watching this in 2023 and still no new 27 inch imac...🤔 Looks like I'll have to buy a refurbished one from apple until or if they ever come out with a new one. The 24 inch is a no go
Marques: People use their iMacs for 8, 9, 10 years.
Me: Hold my beer. I still use my 2009 21.5" iMac.
Hold up, someone else with a 2009 iMac? I thought I was the only one!
How the hell isnt it desperately slow for you? Even the previous HDD iMacs are sooooo slow!
sure, if the GPU doesn’t get fried
Same
Same
*on new years day*
MKBHD: so I've been trying out 2021 for about a month now
lol
N o I C e
Lmao
waiting for people to say this is an overused meme
Take me here fam I'm done with 2020
2:34
that transition is the best thing in 2020
I’ve seen better
To be fair, I'm buying it cause I've been waiting since January to change my mid 2015 and who wants to be an early adopter of a product that has a high chance of not supporting some of the applications you desperately need. Since I use these to bring food on the table, I can't afford to waste time on things I shouldn't waste time on. Great vid!
AMD: finally has better processors than Intel after years and years of struggling
Apple: k bye we ditch x86 for ARM
Marques: You can work with it having windows behind you.
Apple employees watching this video: Nope...
Sure, I will wait for 2 years.
*First : Need to get a job*
For now I have to be happy with a Raspberry pi
As you said, is better to wait for iMacs with Apple Silicon. Despite this though, this Mac is a definitive goodbye for Intel processors.
Nice video, as usual.
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Not so sure about this. The big benefit of Apple Silicon will be that they will use much less power than Intel chips, which will make them great for battery life in MacBooks, but it doesn’t really help an iMac. And I doubt Apple silicon will outperform the current top of the line desktop chips found in the iMac. Also, I think Boot Camp and the ability to run Windows will be gone with Apple silicon.
@@GraysonCarr I agree with you. Actually yes. With the release of Macs with Apple Silicon and macOS Big Sur, it's almost certain that bootcamp won't be available.
NANO-TEXTURE FTW
really is it you?????
iJustine Tech guru
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Ayyo
2:35 - OG MKBHD returns! Lol. You should do an entire tech video only using the new 1080p webcam. Doooooo it.
6:07 Nice transition with the focus
Obsolescence or not. I bought this Current model yesterday and it’s going to be delivered on Tuesday. Thank you for the great review!
1 month update: Turns out it is AWESOME!
4 months update pls, do you have any issues ?
Why does it seem like everyone ignores that every model comes with just 8 GB of memory by default...
Because unlike windows, OSX can run incredibly well with just 8GB. Don't get me wrong, windows still runs with 8gb but not as efficiently.
Best Tech Reviews and Breakdowns on TH-cam. He deserves all his fame and more
Apple: Puts 300$ SSD into computer, sells it for 1200$.
I still ended up buying the 2020 iMac fully spec'd out. I love it! I have the MBP Pro 14" too and I still use the iMac because of the power + screen. Worst case, I can also turn it into a windows PC or just use the display and connect that with my MBP and use only the display for it. I prefer this route over the studio display.
Us in 2027: "We used to have intel Macs once, imagine that!"
they wont say that since most of humans would rather use a windows PC over than the over priced bezzel
It would be in retrotech soon
@@frezydynecy Ironically, there is rumours that Windows will start dropping Intel too and start a transition to ARM based processors on their own stuff as well because of the hot mess that is Intel right now. So who knows, Intel processors are starting to feel like an option only for PC people that build their own rigs, and even then most PC gamers would rather use AMDs chips.
@@Darktega if you mean Microsoft, then they already have the Surface Pro X
Us in 2030: “wow remember intel?”
4:40 "... in rooms with Windows behind you." Oh I see what you did there,
Never knew how good mkbhd’s microphone is until I heared the mac’s 😬😬
I guess he's using a 100k dollar microphone 😂
GHOST • 14 years ago I’m pretty sure he uses a Sennheiser MKH416. Only about a $1000 mic. Not to bad in the pro audio world.
GHOST • 14 years ago it’s a regular studio mic. A very good one. But not over The top expensive.
Bradley Henady ‘only’ $1000... Normal people aren’t going to buy that sht. For a PC/laptop the iMac speakers are fine.
Butterbean Nobody mentioned its speakers
Most of my life I have been a frequent updater. 2-3 years max between new computers. But in 2014 I bought the very first 5k iMac on the first day of pre-order. I got a maxed out BTO model, and it still is working great. But at 6 years, I figured it was time for an upgrade. When they announced at WWDC 2020 the switch to Apple Silicon, I decided I would get the first iMac to have it. I was hoping this update was it, so was disappointed was just another intel spec update. Hope my old iMac makes it to 7! Marques, you are hands down the very best tech reviewer on TH-cam today. You rock man!
We got it Marquez, stop flexing those Teslas I know you've been using them for weeks now
8:28 I'm an avid watcher of tech channels and love tech, but I'm using an 8 year old phone
@Gabriel De Leon me too
Same dude! I use an iPhone 6 but I'm an absolute geek over tech!
😂 I’m still using my iPhone 6 and a 10 years old imac.
Lol I m using a phone with unusable screen and no camera it is like 10 years old 😔
If it still fills your needs then no need to upgrade
"The Incredible True Story" 6:26 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼, sad to see him go with this last album "No Pressure".
Not related to video content, but I just noticed a small glitch that caught my attention.
I really really like the way you make videos, its PRO-Grade, the composition, the effects, everything so subtle without being pompous.
But I think this is the first time I have noticed something like this @1:30 , your setup would have bumped to something.
Anyways, I think you would have realized later.
Keep posting great videos!!!!
Love your videos so much, I am not even interested in the topic, but still I opened up this video, just to see your delicious video. :-)
"THISSS is now the new 1080p webcam"
-Marques
MKBHD: The Last Intel Mac VS The Osborne Effect!
Me: *What is Osborne effect?*
Ozzy, Osbourne?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wiki said that :
The Osborne effect is a social phenomenon of customers canceling or deferring orders for the current soon-to-be-obsolete product as an unexpected drawback of a company's announcing a future product prematurely.
8:56
It was named after the Osborne Computer Corporation, who pre-announced an upcoming machine so incredible that it utterly destroyed sales of their current model, causing the company to go bankrupt before the new computer could ever hit the market.
Apple should just put the iPhone front facing cameras and sensors in the Mac computers
Oscar North too expensive, why bother if the people buy them as is?
i think they are too thick for laptops. also they require apple silicon for image processing
Erebos use iPhone 6s camera’s. 6s camera > iMac camera.
Still one of the few youtubers who is honest, has a very short intro and doesnt lie about sponsored apps.
I love how Marques blends into the webcam when he talks about it
Marques: "Which is great because you can use it in a room with "
Apple: D:
still using my 2011 mac book air haha maybe its time to upgrade😅
“MAYBE”
Wow my Friend actually uses the 2011 Mac book pro lol
Mid 2012 MacBook Pro still going strong 💪🤣
Still occasionally using my 2008 MacBook...
I'm on 2009
I'm still using my 2010 iMac. I'll wait for the Apple silicon to flow through to future iMacs before I change.
Haha. The new iMac will feel like the old iMac.
Same here. Hope my already reflowed
graphics card will outlive the wait....
6:06 The iMac 2020 desgin fits perfect to the iPhone SE 2020 Desgin =D
Just imagine dropping $2,500+ for a 2012 computer and 2017 phone ... Props to Apple though, there's plenty of idiots that'll gladly lineup and buy em!
Except I'll say the the iMac looks worse with those asymmetric bezels lol
TOPSPOT the iphone SE is basically an iphone 7 or 8 with the insides of an iphone 11. it’s a budget phone
TOPSPOT casually ignoring how high quality the internals of both are. you seem like the real idiot
Shahmir Kashif i bought the iPhone SE. No regrets.
I’ve only had it for two days’ surprised pikachu face 😂
Marques's intro - "What's up I'mKBHD here...."
Mrwhosetheboss intro - "So this is..."
I'mKBHD? It's MKBHD
Marques nails another review. I'm in the market for an iMac and this update is very tempting with its 10-core option. It's so nice to have an expert lay out all the issues to consider before buying a new machine. Thanks! (again)
6:26 this is how you know Marques is legit - “Got no strings”
weird flex but ok
I see you've discovered my effect
@RITA 25 y.o , I WANT SЕЕХ !!!! OPEN MY VIDEO !!!! what name doe
The T2 will be phenomenal for H265 though, at least, even though it doesnt have AMD damnit
Totally true but the relationship with AMD won't be going anywhere soon. I imagine the mac pros even with intel silicon will allow for GPU upgrades and all of these arm based macs should still support e-GPUs. Yes they won't be included in the laptop but I doubt apple will cut out support for those that will need more graphics horsepower on the go. Thunderbolt 4 is also scheduled but unfortunately doesn't increase bandwidth/speed. Hopefully thunderbolt 5 will so that people can finally get full performance from External GPU setups.
I don't understand what you are saying but I'll like.
You are talking the language of gods
"Where else in Apple's lineup do you see bezels this big?"
iMac m1 24": "Well my friend, let me tell you..."
And you Guessed it Right, Marques has Been Using the New Pixel for about a Day Now.......
Haahaahah lmao
oh yeah!!
Marques:The Mac comes in 64,128 gb...
me:Ahh storage
Marques:...ram
Me:wait what??!
That’s not really surprising, as it’s a pro machine, also anything under 512gb of storage is abysmal in computers, and you definitely want more than a couple terabytes
@@fazza2104 ya but u gotta admit, if u came blank to this video u would be surprised
Ryan George Possibly
So I’ve had the new 27” iMac for 10 years now
😂😂😂
As do I
I think you meant to say: Ten *decades* 😂
so that means u know its deepest flaws
watching this on my 2013 imac 27', works great can wait another year.
04:04 damn his hands are long 🤣
Its just the lens. But they are long tho.
Gaming Freak okay “🤣” head ass
Hand? Don’t you mean arm?
FxnTimes haha 😂 I think they do
That's why he's so good at Ultimate.
2:35 I love how you shrunk down the webcam footage to make it look better.
I have my iMac 27" inch since 2013 and it still performs smoothly
etc I have a 2012 base model 27”. The hard drive died on it last November so I installed a new SSD and now it’s snappy again
Marques, your contribution here is outstanding. Way to go and thank you.
“With windows behind you” Steve Jobs just shuddered in his grave
*minecraft skeleton noises*
Did you know that bill gates uses a mac
MKBHD: The Last Intel Mac VS The Osborne Effect!
Me before watching the video: *WTF is Osborne effect?*
Same here. Need some clarifying
8:22 Yep me watching this on a 2009 imac 😄
F
You’re not preaching to no one!! My BF kept his previous iMac for almost ten years. He was considering buying his new one but hadn’t considered the change in the processor... so you just convinced him to wait a couple of years to buy the new one and get a better deal and hopefully have another 10 years with it
Yess, Apple should definitely kill the fusion drive. Love the turn around transition.
been using my macbook pro for like 7 years, i feel attacked.
*3minutes 23 seconds in the background is a new iMac MKBHD covered with black cloth!*
that‘s his chair 😂
4:55 "Now you can use a mac with windows behind you" made Bill Gates very angry.
I enjoyed what was said about the potential last of the Intel iMacs. I like what Apple has done internally and if this is the last of these Intel based iMacs, I may move forward and purchase one. (:
3:58: Actually, the first difference I noticed in the video was that the glass around the screen seemed to be an odd, very pure black, which would usually be a bit more reflective and, well, less of a pure ventablack-like colour. The bezel is so dark, that I wouldn't be surprised if the pixel data of it was entirely (0, 0, 0). I'm not sure I've ever seen such a pure black background for a screen before.
8:28: I actually do like using my electronics for as long as possible. I look at electronics news more for entertainment than actually purchasing things, because it's really fun to see what's new but often my current electronics work perfectly fine, especially those that can be upgraded. My phone is from 2014 and my PC was built in 2016 with a CPU, motherboard, and RAM from about 2009.
Since I don't have that much money, I also love to get things used that used to be top of the line (or just really high end) at some point, but which are now much cheaper (like my CPUs, Intel Xeon X5560s, that originally cost over $1000 each but cost $30 for both when I bought them in 2016). A few years after the last Intel Mac is made, it may be interesting to buy one of them and have the best possible Intel/Mac machine, or, if/when Intel becomes obsolete in PCs in general, to buy the best possible Intel machine available period. I really love old hardware that used to be expensive but is now dirt cheap, because that means I can have something that is the best in its class in at least _one_ category.
So, I don't think you're preaching to nobody... though to be fair, I wasn't in the market for a Mac anyway, because self-built Linux PCs can last quite a bit longer while still staying lightning fast. Not that Macs aren't good Linux machines either, though. I originally switched to Gentoo Linux on my 2007 MacBook 3,1 around 2015, since Linux had much better game support due to being updated much more than Mac OS X 10.6.8, while also being faster than Mac OS X 10.6.8, and MUCH faster than Mac OS X 10.7.2 (which was really slow on my old MacBook compared to 10.6.8).
But the point is, one can still be a tech enthusiast interested in learning about all the latest gadgets, without necessarily actually buying them. Tech is really fun, but I have no need to stress the environment and my wallet actually _buying_ everything when my existing technology still works great and nice channels like yours let me see all the latest stuff too :) .
Vantablack -- Vertically Aligned NanoTube Array BLACK
4:42 'you can use the I mac in room with windows behind you.' Bill Gates was triggered!
I got my 27-inch iMac in 2015 and I still LOVE it. I did add some memory (now 24 GB DDR3) and I own a handful of external hard drives but otherwise it has been a powerhouse for everything from gaming to video editing, music creation, and more. I would happily wait a year or two for a Apple Silicon and a redesign.
We have an 20" early 2008 iMac happily chugging along as our home server. I never gets shut down.
It doesn't know it's old because we did tell it. Some things are better left unsaid.
corona virus vaccine: *exists*
mkbhd: so ive been trying out the vaccine for about a month now
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When intel Mac start to get forgotten to the past you just load windows on them, end of story
Linux
mrlitbottoms 69 LOL. Linux in 2020
@@butterbean8881 imagine rocking anything but Linux in 2020 lol
@@iwev1852 fax ios babies u and windows is full of bloatware linux is the best for everything but gaming
@@mrlitbottoms6968 so windows for gaming, linux for everything else and mac for? Throwing out money
Thank you for your open and honest reviews always. very helpful very easy to follow and explained. Love from Amsterdam X