I was Facebook friends with André Soares, who wrote an amazing biography on Ramon (Beyond Paradise: The Life of Ramon Novarro). He has since left social media, but I will always be grateful for his book and how much I learned from him about Ramon. And THIS is another great episode. Great job!❤️
I remember my grandmother talking about Novarro and Valentino because she had crushes on them when she was a teen/ young women. It was only years later when she heard any "behind the scenes" gossip. Thank you for this
😮😮😮What a tragic and tumultuous life that Ramon Novarro lived.And what an outstandingly handsome man that he was.Such a horrific loss of one of our most eloquently handsome and gorgeous actors that have ever lived.❤❤❤
I saw Ben Hur years ago, when I went through a stage of watching some of the silent classic epics in more niche Manchester cinemas, when they were screened. I had forgotten that Novarro played the hero of the piece, which I admired for the scale if its achievement, rather than its overall artistic merit. I have not seen any other Novarro films other than that, as my interest lay more on the side of European efforts (especially German expressionist cinema) rather than Hollywood creations. Your overview of Novarro's life was extremely interesting and informative. It is such a shame that his life came to an end in the way it did. He didn't deserve to leave the life he clearly wasn't happy with, in such a brutal way but unfortunately he left himself open to such an awful event occurring. Thanks for the rainy tale. We have enough rain here in the North UK already but at least the rain on your soundtracks is calming
I thought Manchester NH for a moment, but the wonderful Manchester UK - a terrible end for someone who brought a lot to the world. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Another incredible and well-researched documentary! Thank you so much for dispelling the rumors started by Kenneth Anger in his salacious book "Hollywood Babylon", where he claimed that Valentino and Novarro were lovers. You rightly reported that this was indeed false. Outside of Novarro appearing in Valentino's film, "The Four Horseman of the Apocalypse as an extra, the two did not have much in terms of interaction.
Thank you for an excellent deep dive into Ramon Navarro. Recently have been enjoying your channel. I knew Ramon was a silent screen actor but didn’t know much about him except his horrible end. It is sad that It seems he never found true happiness. If you haven’t done one, can you please do a deep dive into Rudolph Valentino? Absolutely would love it.
Hi and thank you. Valentino is definitely on our list. He's been well covered and we are trying to do videos on figures who haven't been shown as much on TH-cam. But we will get to Valentino one day
@@HollywoodMysteries Have you made an episode about Canadian silent movie star, Marie Prevost, yet? I've never seen her films, but I heard about her from the song that Nick Lowe wrote about her. I've seen clips of her acting, and she was not only beautiful, she had excellent comedic timing and played endearing "devil-may-care", flapper party girl kind of characters. She's another actress who didn't make the switch to the talkies, and she went downhill with alcoholism and anorexia. Her death was very macabre, and why there's a cheerful little ditty sung about her misfortune, written by my favorite cheeky British pub-rock songwriter, Nick Lowe. (He meant no offense, he wrote other "cheerful" sounding songs about tragic themes, the kind of gallows humor Brits are so good at) She was a beautiful, talented actress who starred in more than 100 silent movies so it would be wonderful for her to be remembered for her beauty and talent and not just for the sad way she died young.
I've always had an interest in Ramon Novarro and when your video came up, I knew I had to watch it. I'm impressed with the amount of information you provided. This is the first of your videos that I have watched, and it won't be the last. You've got a new fan and subscriber!
Having read Hollywood Babylon, I was familiar with the story about Navarro and Valentino, but I knew better than to take Kenneth Anger’s word for it. Thanks for clearing that up. I do wonder about Valentino’s sexuality, however, given that he was married to one lesbian and one woman who, according to some reports, was either gay or bisexual.
Hi, Greetings from Ireland, Love your Channel, I may have a story for a video if your interested, it involves good friends of my grandfather, 3 brothers and their sister who sold their farm in Ireland in the 1910`s and moved to Hollywood to be in the movies. One ended up married to Mary Pickford while the others had successful careers in Hollywood.
@jamesferrelly4178 I'm interested in hearing your story, I hope they pick it up. This is a great pick of a channel to do your story justice - I'm curious now. Little parts of lives are lost as people die - I'm a fan of stories that fill in years or blanks...so few folks are left that can tell them. My best.
IKR? He is the most handsome man I've ever seen! His beautiful eyes could make women (and some men, too) swoon! Valentino was gorgeous, but he had _nothing_ on Ramon.
You've done it again!🏆 A stunningly handsome lad and great hair line! Treatment of actors during the pre-code time was abysmal, and now some would say it has been upgraded to abysmal lite. I think his increased abuse of alcohol as Hallowe'en approached may have had something to do with the observances Day of the Dead, All Saints' Day and All Souls' Day, all three probably being part of the fabric of his life from early years and onward. I pray he is at peace.
That's a great point about the Day of the Dead and how it affected him. Maybe he had a terrible premonition. He did have great hair and I guess it's understandable why he got upset having it pulled off his head during Ben Hur.
@@HollywoodMysteries Yes indeed, I grok your remarks. I suspect Novarro was (a) sensitive. Caution, stupid segue: Your mention of Ben Hur suddenly made me think of that thar varmi't Bugs Bunny and his epic version, "Ben Hare". Sufferin' succotash(!), now that's gonna stick in mah mind all day like a tune ya cain't get outta your head. [Interesting trivia: My folks lived in Manhattan Beach in the early 1950s and their neighbor & friend, Mabs Jones, had a son named Chuck. Yes, that Chuck Jones. He hand made his mother's Christmas cards which we received and had for many years... and did my mom (and dad) archive them? Oh h*ll no.]
I remember that murder back in back in 68 actually I was in the third grade when that happened I heard it on KYW in Philadelphia in the morning when my parents room but I know hardly anything because I was only a kid but as I got older there was a book called great romantic actors and he was mentioned in that book but as I got out of my teenage years and became an adult said it was clear that he was in that lifestyle and you may think be wrong about this but you cannot serve two gods
I so look forward to a time when one’s sexuality doesn’t garner a rise out of anyone. Someday no one will bat an eye about someone else’s preference. The question is are you lovable? Not who do you love 💕
YES! I hate online 'exposés' e.g. "30 secret lesbians!🤪" - often full of cheap innuendo etc. I reply "Who Cares😡?" and cite the severe past attitudes in society.
Me too! I wish I could tell people that I'm ace (asexual) and always have been since childhood. I'm female, but a "tomboy" who hates wearing a dress or putting on makeup, and I haven't been to a shopping mall in almost 20 years (my idea of torture!). I'd rather go to an antique car show, or go shopping at the hardware store. Most of my family has nothing to do with me because they are extremely religious and they think I'm a lesbian. They don't understand that there's at least 1% of the population that are NOPES! We rarely even think about sex because we have no libido, but I'm not attracted to women OR men. I prefer being around men because we typically have more in common, but I've had wonderful friends who are gay, male and female. I've always been naive about sexual matters, a lot of sexual innuendo jokes go over my head and I get teased about that. I'm that person at the movies who goes to the restroom or snack bar during the sexy scenes in the film, because I know I won't miss anything important to the plot during gratuitous horn-dog scenes.
Parents blessing their children is a Catholic "belief" that makes parents saints is a erroneous and ridiculous statement. Correction, parents have the authority and should give give their children blessing, but it doesn't ejevate them to sainthood. Do better research.
I am almost 77, raised since birth as Catholic, as was my mother who was born in 1925…four of my great-grandparents were born in France and came from a long line of devout Catholics. I have never in my entire life heard of parents blessing their children. How do you explain that?
Be careful talking about the Catholic Churches beliefs on homosexuality. The Bible both testaments treat homosexuality as a sin. Not a biological malfunction or a result of childhood abuse or development. There is no biological reason to believe this.
@Andreatheists-yy1oj Parents blessing their children is different that parents praying with their children. When parents bless their children, they exercise their natural and spiritual authority over their children.
Early signs: As a child, doing odd and extreme things. As an adult: low moral and far-left ideas. Recognizing the mental diagnosis is important, so that deprevation doesn't spread in society (as it has today)!
WTF are you going on about? What "deprevation" are you referring to? There is no English word with that spelling, so either you meant "deprivation" as in being without basic needs, or you meant "depravation" as in perverse behavior lacking moral decency, depravity. Neither of those words define Ramon Novarro.
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He was first cousin to my godmother and a very good friend of my mother. He came from a very good family.
It's great you have that connection to Ramon!
@@HollywoodMysteries I never met him, but I have two photographs that he dedicated to my mom, Regards
He seems like he'd be a "regular kind of guy", a nice person, good friend, not to mention lovely to look at. How nice your mom knew him.
EXCELLENT retrospective. . .
Beautiful photos & clips.
Glad you enjoyed it
I was Facebook friends with André Soares, who wrote an amazing biography on Ramon (Beyond Paradise: The Life of Ramon Novarro). He has since left social media, but I will always be grateful for his book and how much I learned from him about Ramon. And THIS is another great episode. Great job!❤️
Thanks for sharing!
I would love to read the book.
Interesting..lucky you to make such a friend!
Thanks. I will put this book on hold at the library.
I remember my grandmother talking about Novarro and Valentino because she had crushes on them when she was a teen/ young women. It was only years later when she heard any "behind the scenes" gossip. Thank you for this
What a terrible way to pass. RIP Ramon ❤️🔥
He looks so young at age 30. Thank you for such a detailed tribute to Ramon.
😮😮😮What a tragic and tumultuous life that Ramon Novarro lived.And what an outstandingly handsome man that he was.Such a horrific loss of one of our most eloquently handsome and gorgeous actors that have ever lived.❤❤❤
Thank you for the in depth story. I knew the name and how he died, but I had no idea about his life. Such a sad story.
I saw Ben Hur years ago, when I went through a stage of watching some of the silent classic epics in more niche Manchester cinemas, when they were screened. I had forgotten that Novarro played the hero of the piece, which I admired for the scale if its achievement, rather than its overall artistic merit. I have not seen any other Novarro films other than that, as my interest lay more on the side of European efforts (especially German expressionist cinema) rather than Hollywood creations. Your overview of Novarro's life was extremely interesting and informative. It is such a shame that his life came to an end in the way it did. He didn't deserve to leave the life he clearly wasn't happy with, in such a brutal way but unfortunately he left himself open to such an awful event occurring. Thanks for the rainy tale. We have enough rain here in the North UK already but at least the rain on your soundtracks is calming
I thought Manchester NH for a moment, but the wonderful Manchester UK - a terrible end for someone who brought a lot to the world. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Thank you for a wonderful episode. This was my second. the first was Ann Baxter. Keep up the good work. Can't wait to see another one.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Another incredible and well-researched documentary! Thank you so much for dispelling the rumors started by Kenneth Anger in his salacious book "Hollywood Babylon", where he claimed that Valentino and Novarro were lovers. You rightly reported that this was indeed false. Outside of Novarro appearing in Valentino's film, "The Four Horseman of the Apocalypse as an extra, the two did not have much in terms of interaction.
Our pleasure!
Poor Navarro! Can’t wait to watch this in its entirety!
Voice of a serpent.
Great story ,tragic ending .the research you do is beyond impressive
Thank you, we are happy you enjoyed it
Thank you for this. My passion is the 20s and 30s. I love your channel. I would love to hear your take on Greta Garbo
Same!!
Stay tuned-coming very soon
Thank you for an excellent deep dive into Ramon Navarro. Recently have been enjoying your channel. I knew Ramon was a silent screen actor but didn’t know much about him except his horrible end. It is sad that It seems he never found true happiness. If you haven’t done one, can you please do a deep dive into Rudolph Valentino? Absolutely would love it.
Hi and thank you. Valentino is definitely on our list. He's been well covered and we are trying to do videos on figures who haven't been shown as much on TH-cam. But we will get to Valentino one day
Massive Rudolph Valentino fan here! Yes Please!
@@HollywoodMysteries Have you made an episode about Canadian silent movie star, Marie Prevost, yet? I've never seen her films, but I heard about her from the song that Nick Lowe wrote about her. I've seen clips of her acting, and she was not only beautiful, she had excellent comedic timing and played endearing "devil-may-care", flapper party girl kind of characters.
She's another actress who didn't make the switch to the talkies, and she went downhill with alcoholism and anorexia. Her death was very macabre, and why there's a cheerful little ditty sung about her misfortune, written by my favorite cheeky British pub-rock songwriter, Nick Lowe. (He meant no offense, he wrote other "cheerful" sounding songs about tragic themes, the kind of gallows humor Brits are so good at)
She was a beautiful, talented actress who starred in more than 100 silent movies so it would be wonderful for her to be remembered for her beauty and talent and not just for the sad way she died young.
@@LazyIRanch Not yet but she is on our list for the future, stay tuned!
I've always had an interest in Ramon Novarro and when your video came up, I knew I had to watch it. I'm impressed with the amount of information you provided. This is the first of your videos that I have watched, and it won't be the last. You've got a new fan and subscriber!
Thank you and welcome!
This was VERY well done ..on such a fascinating ..and sad story of Mr Ramon Novarro..
Having read Hollywood Babylon, I was familiar with the story about Navarro and Valentino, but I knew better than to take Kenneth Anger’s word for it. Thanks for clearing that up. I do wonder about Valentino’s sexuality, however, given that he was married to one lesbian and one woman who, according to some reports, was either gay or bisexual.
THANK YOU very much uploading. Very well done ! KUDOS to all those involved ! A sad but fascinating story.
Thanks for listening!
@@HollywoodMysteries You're quite welcome ! 👍🤓
Hi, Greetings from Ireland, Love your Channel, I may have a story for a video if your interested, it involves good friends of my grandfather, 3 brothers and their sister who sold their farm in Ireland in the 1910`s and moved to Hollywood to be in the movies. One ended up married to Mary Pickford while the others had successful careers in Hollywood.
That's great, please tell us more about it!
@jamesferrelly4178 I'm interested in hearing your story, I hope they pick it up. This is a great pick of a channel to do your story justice - I'm curious now. Little parts of lives are lost as people die - I'm a fan of stories that fill in years or blanks...so few folks are left that can tell them. My best.
the Moores, perhaps
Please get this tale told! It sounds like a good one
Beyond handsome. So good looking he's hard to look at. I always think he's the best looking man in Hollywood.
IKR? He is the most handsome man I've ever seen! His beautiful eyes could make women (and some men, too) swoon! Valentino was gorgeous, but he had _nothing_ on Ramon.
Great Hope youll do Sal Mineo if you havent already
Good suggestion!
You've done it again!🏆 A stunningly handsome lad and great hair line! Treatment of actors during the pre-code time was abysmal, and now some would say it has been upgraded to abysmal lite. I think his increased abuse of alcohol as Hallowe'en approached may have had something to do with the observances Day of the Dead, All Saints' Day and All Souls' Day, all three probably being part of the fabric of his life from early years and onward. I pray he is at peace.
That's a great point about the Day of the Dead and how it affected him. Maybe he had a terrible premonition. He did have great hair and I guess it's understandable why he got upset having it pulled off his head during Ben Hur.
@@HollywoodMysteries Yes indeed, I grok your remarks. I suspect Novarro was (a) sensitive.
Caution, stupid segue: Your mention of Ben Hur suddenly made me think of that thar varmi't Bugs Bunny and his epic version, "Ben Hare". Sufferin' succotash(!), now that's gonna stick in mah mind all day like a tune ya cain't get outta your head. [Interesting trivia: My folks lived in Manhattan Beach in the early 1950s and their neighbor & friend, Mabs Jones, had a son named Chuck. Yes, that Chuck Jones. He hand made his mother's Christmas cards which we received and had for many years... and did my mom (and dad) archive them? Oh h*ll no.]
I remember that murder back in back in 68 actually I was in the third grade when that happened I heard it on KYW in Philadelphia in the morning when my parents room but I know hardly anything because I was only a kid but as I got older there was a book called great romantic actors and he was mentioned in that book but as I got out of my teenage years and became an adult said it was clear that he was in that lifestyle and you may think be wrong about this but you cannot serve two gods
Great video ty!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I so look forward to a time when one’s sexuality doesn’t garner a rise out of anyone. Someday no one will bat an eye about someone else’s preference. The question is are you lovable? Not who do you love 💕
YES! I hate online 'exposés' e.g. "30 secret lesbians!🤪" - often full of cheap innuendo etc. I reply "Who Cares😡?" and cite the severe past attitudes in society.
Me too! I wish I could tell people that I'm ace (asexual) and always have been since childhood. I'm female, but a "tomboy" who hates wearing a dress or putting on makeup, and I haven't been to a shopping mall in almost 20 years (my idea of torture!). I'd rather go to an antique car show, or go shopping at the hardware store.
Most of my family has nothing to do with me because they are extremely religious and they think I'm a lesbian. They don't understand that there's at least 1% of the population that are NOPES! We rarely even think about sex because we have no libido, but I'm not attracted to women OR men. I prefer being around men because we typically have more in common, but I've had wonderful friends who are gay, male and female.
I've always been naive about sexual matters, a lot of sexual innuendo jokes go over my head and I get teased about that.
I'm that person at the movies who goes to the restroom or snack bar during the sexy scenes in the film, because I know I won't miss anything important to the plot during gratuitous horn-dog scenes.
I wish people would go back to minding their own business (and stopped oversharing their business lol)
Andy García has that same kind of manly beauty.
I agree! My aunt had such a crush on Andy Garcia, she said, "That boy's even purtier than Elvis!"
disgusting his murderers were let out so soon after murdering him.
Magnificent actor. rip
His “secret” is very obvious from just looking at him. It’s a pity people just couldn’t be themselves.
Novarro and Howe looked like twins!
He was the original Ben Hur!
He was never content. If only he realized God would never want that! To kill an old man..so sad!
This is my abuela's favorite actor I told her actually he's gay She doesn't believe it at that time... I told her he is and she was shocked😥👀👀❗
Ramon Navarro's first name is pronounced as though you're saying the American name "Raymond," except you don't pronounce the D.
And?
Ramon in Spanish is pronounced rolling the R like : RRRAH --MON .
Interesting that's your takeaway from all this work. Besides being wrong, it seems a bit petty and unnecessary.
Grandmother from.Mexico Spanish names hard Ramon MY Spanish not great his Paino YES those Gold coins Lessons
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How sad It makes one wonder indeed if his brutal murder was the trigger for Sharon Tate’s horrific death Totally senseless
Hey...the voice of the narrator makes me want to clear my voice.
Grandmother adored Ramon Navarro Felt he was so manly the greatest but I told her he was gay she wouldn't believe me Laugh out loud 🙊👀🙀😳
Why would you feel the need to disappoint her?
Parents blessing their children is a Catholic "belief" that makes parents saints is a erroneous and ridiculous statement. Correction, parents have the authority and should give give their children blessing, but it doesn't ejevate them to sainthood. Do better research.
I am almost 77, raised since birth as Catholic, as was my mother who was born in 1925…four of my great-grandparents were born in France and came from a long line of devout Catholics. I have never in my entire life heard of parents blessing their children. How do you explain that?
@@nancycurtis488Many Catholic traditions have been lost over the years, and that is another one.
Be careful talking about the Catholic Churches beliefs on homosexuality. The Bible both testaments treat homosexuality as a sin. Not a biological malfunction or a result of childhood abuse or development. There is no biological reason to believe this.
@@lorrainem8234 they pray with their children just as Protestants do.
@Andreatheists-yy1oj Parents blessing their children is different that parents praying with their children. When parents bless their children, they exercise their natural and spiritual authority over their children.
Paroled in the 70s???????
Early signs: As a child, doing odd and extreme things. As an adult: low moral and far-left ideas. Recognizing the mental diagnosis is important, so that deprevation doesn't spread in society (as it has today)!
Early signs of what??
WTF are you going on about? What "deprevation" are you referring to? There is no English word with that spelling, so either you meant "deprivation" as in being without basic needs, or you meant "depravation" as in perverse behavior lacking moral decency, depravity.
Neither of those words define Ramon Novarro.
@@LazyIRanchthat’s one of those “libruls are stoopid” comments lol
Why am I not surprised that you’re a Blonde?
How about doing a story on a man in unholywoid tbat isn't gsy..sic of it👎
@@imachristian1324 Why are you even watching these if you have a problem with “Unholywoid”? Moron.