I agree with Scotty on our mis use of 'utility' players.... we have messed up so much talent in the past.... my confidence comes from seeing and understanding how great Damien Willemse has started thriving when his position is now fullback... in terms of Sacha.... keep him at 10.... let him grow in that position and he will be the best. He has BMT. A lot of youngsters need time to adjust but if you get players like Edwill VDM and Sacha making their debut with their confidence, that is solid gold. In my opinion
Great to see you guys back. Watching from NZ, would love to see more from you guys. Completely agree with Scott Gibbs pov on our centres. Haven't replaced Ma'a Nonu and Conrad Smith. Dunno about our squad not "deserving" rwc23. Thought the ABs played excellently when it mattered. Just missed out
100% agree with the Andre statements. I am desperate for him to do well but he just does not seem hungry. For a giant like that he should be dominating the midfield.
Bokke played well considering many top players out. They lost their way after 20 minutes, but played strongly in the 2nd 40. Well played from New Zealand
That Sharks - Auckland final all those years ago, was reffed by Wayne Ericsson. He screwed the Sharks from the first whistle. Bloody Aussie bastard. Even though I was young back then, I knew something stank.
This was really a good show. In a long time. Bringing the All Blacks and Blues in as well. My dream would be a 2-0 vs Ireland, tough but wins and then a win at the bastion of Springbok Rugby, Ellis Park and a good win, not with 1 point and a red card. Go Bokke!!
Keo suffering from some level of trauma when he sees Esterhuizen.... Please Keo, like Tappe Henning excused himself from blowing Bulls games, please excuse yourself from commenting on the Esterhuizen/DDA debate - you're biased, own it. Fyi: Love the show, was a great addition to the RWC, hope this becomes a fixture during the international season!
I quote Zels about ABs 'lack of grunt upfront' - they have two new props at 6'5" each and the weight to fill the frames - the ABs are going to be very hard to beat this year.
The AB's definitely aren't lacking grunt, Zels as also called the AB's pack a "Powder Puff Pack" last year. Look at the RWC final, that last 20 mins. Anytime there was a scrum, the Springboks were pushed back and dominated. Look at the very last 2 scrums at the very end of the game, the Springbok scrum got demolished. That was with Ox on the field.
@@username-iq1nt If it was an early push, then the ref would have blown the whistle. The AB's timing was spot on, they just owned the SA scrum in those moments. Go back and look at it. Faf delayed putting in the ball the first scrum, because the SA scrum was under pressure. Ref blowed the whistle and it was reset. Second time, Faf put in the ball as quick as possible, because he knew if he didn't, the SA scrum would have conceded a penalty. Giving the AB's a last chance to kick for 3.
Fassi been unfairly treated had a great game taking every high ball, assisted in both tries coming into the line, give the guy a proper chance and put your provincialism aside
All I'm saying is we gonna be cooking come the next world cup 😁😁😁😁😁nevermind the ups and downs we will be ready with the new blood getting lots of experience in the meantime go bokkkkkkkkkkke❤❤❤
It was a lot of new ones that will have to step up to have a Springbok stamp on them.I hope Rassie will put some of the old Boks back into the game for Ireland for I am not sure that this team is able to get on top of Ireland
There are too many rolling mauls, if it does not work, change the plan and not playing wide at the try line. This is from an elderly Granny. SA Cape Town
Think Gibbs is missing the little experiment Rassie and Tony were testing out and who better than to face Wales to try things out, very experimental stage though for the Boks and as expected too, think Tony is the right man for the job as the Boks develop. Score board as well was as predicted so can't be too critical here. Aphelele Fassi hasn't got much to work on, Jordan unfortunately didn't cope well, Mngomezulu is definately up there along with Edwill, very promising for these brilliant 2 players.
U could see the boks pushing on after the 40 usually if we are ahead we just kick it out but we actually pushed on and tried to score. Thats a NZ tactic
Ref : The critically mentioned disconnect between # 9 + # 10 .... And not only in THIS game ! Can someone please inform me as to exactly WHAT is seen in the Hendrikse brothers that is of international standard ( BOTH soon to be playing for the Sharks ! ). There are others who are certainly WAY more worthy of recognition in their respective # 9 ( Jaden ) + # 10 ( Jordan ) positions .... Enuff already ! 🤙🏉🇿🇦
We have this conversation every year for the past 7years. Kolisi will and should start at 6, PTSD 7, 8 is tricky because of retired Duane and suspended Wiese. My vote goes to Roos. Kwagga and Van Staden on the bench for Loftus.
I'm afraid Dobbo is also committing the big coaching mistake these last couple of seasons, of making certain players "God's gift" to the team. I just want to state that I'm not bashing Manie here. I like the way he plays so much, that I don't even care that much about his kicking, though I will not deny it can be problematic at times. My problem is with Dobbo who seems to want to please everyone and end up making a lot of players unhappy, even though it wasn't his intention. If certain players don't want to compete for their position, then you can't say such a player is a team man. Most players feel forced to say they will play wherever the coach want them. The same with Galant. He is undoubtedly one of the most exited players to watch when in form, but he should compete with Willemse for the right of who deserve the most minutes on the park. Dobson should stop protecting Manie, Galant and Herschel against not having to compete for their positions. I mean, if you can rotate and sub a 2-time WC winning legend like Frans Malherbe, you can do it to anyone in the squad. It's so obviously, that Sacha deserves more time at 10 and that Damian should first be selected at 15 and shift to 12 or the other positions as the situation within the game dictates. The Stormers have the talent to become an even bigger force, but if Dobbo is not going to go back to being the rugby-guy I know he is and start managing his squad again instead of pleasing players, we as supporters can prepare ourselves to go back to the days of disappointments.
Dont you think that DDA shone 'brighter' in the game because the man inside him had changed to a better player in Sascha? I think Andre would have been shown to be better with Sascha than playing outside of Jordan who looked rushed the whole time. Jordan really isn't the greatest 10, and in fact, Sanele is better there. I am ok with Jordan at 12 or 13 where his solid defense is more appreciated. Oh and BTW, the ABs in the WC final were the one team who definitely fronted the Bok front rows. They def have the ability to front SA physically and even in the scrum. That is why its always so close, its not just the great backlines.
DDA is just better at rugby than physical freak Andre the Giant. If we play more attacking play, could we see Andre coming on as a sub to create massive line breaks when the opponents are dead tired?
We need a Manie type of flyhalf with slick hands to get the backline moving. Sascha hasn't shown that skill yet, or has he, not sure? Thats why Andre didn't "play" well and why the backline didn't spark. Sascha is a good kicker, and a guy with BMT, why not play him at 12, 13 or 15? A guy like Manie is worth 4 tries with his good passing game, real pity about his kicking though.
Guys you know what the people want, make this a weekly podcast, even when the boks aren't playing.
I concur😊
I never comment, and I agree 👍🏽
Yes! I’d tune in weekly 🎉
Please 🙏🏼
Facts
Please please please make this show weekly. Love the passion
Irish fan here. Great podcast. Love you boys
Scott is a perfect addition to the Team!
Straight up
I totally agree
Thank you. Much respect from USA to you guys.
Respect returned ! 🫡
Man please make this a weekly podcast. So missed it!!...best rugby show
I enjoy how fluid and smooth this pod is. Good to see you back.
Great to have Gibbs perspective one of the greats
HEY!! Keo and Zels are back!
Yabooi
I agree with Scotty on our mis use of 'utility' players.... we have messed up so much talent in the past.... my confidence comes from seeing and understanding how great Damien Willemse has started thriving when his position is now fullback... in terms of Sacha.... keep him at 10.... let him grow in that position and he will be the best. He has BMT. A lot of youngsters need time to adjust but if you get players like Edwill VDM and Sacha making their debut with their confidence, that is solid gold. In my opinion
100%
Well said!❤
You guys are fantastic. Love listening to your commentary.
Great to see you guys back. Watching from NZ, would love to see more from you guys. Completely agree with Scott Gibbs pov on our centres. Haven't replaced Ma'a Nonu and Conrad Smith. Dunno about our squad not "deserving" rwc23. Thought the ABs played excellently when it mattered. Just missed out
Nice to have you guys back!!Watching from the UK!💚❤️🇿🇦👊🏾🙌🙏🫡🍻
Chaps.... ya'll need to make this a regular podcast. Loving the insight, preview, review and specialist guest.
Keo & Zels!!!!!❤
Love the podcast!!!! Big Love from Irish Fan and bring on the 2 Tests. SA to win both but ya never know!
Finally! Hope you guys make this a regular!
I like the objectivity of this show… no bias! Keep it up gents.
It's a great show, biased and one eyed as anything , which we love
Yes please guys. We need your show every week!!!!!
100% agree with the Andre statements. I am desperate for him to do well but he just does not seem hungry. For a giant like that he should be dominating the midfield.
Glad you guys are back!❤🎉 SA_Cape Town😊
My goodness Scott is so eloquent for a rugby player!
My Bru...proper man this!!!
I enjoy your podcasts. Good for a good laugh. From Canada
Finally!! At Last! The best rugby podcast is back! 😎
Good to have you guys back!
I would love to see Sacha on 10 regularly going forward. He should be picked ahead of Manie for both the Boks and the Stormers
I'm glad you guys are back!!
You brilliant okes gotta turn this into a PODCAST, Bokke and club rugby!
Welcome back guys!! It's been a minute, missed you guys.
Great pod! 🏄🏼♂️🎉
Gibbs is such a class lad
YES This is the podcast!!!
Bokke played well considering many top players out. They lost their way after 20 minutes, but played strongly in the 2nd 40. Well played from New Zealand
Scott Gibbs has phenomenal rugby wisdom please keep him 👌👌👌
Absolute treat to see the Legend schooling these wipper snappers ))
Your podcast Is One that I look first for bok dering RWC2023
sacha Zulu was world class and Edwil wow...
Great episode gents, you covered plenty.👌
I just love Zels laugh 😂😂😂
Rassie was not going to reveal all their new moves yet
What a great spectacle in the British sunshine!!💚🇿🇦💪🏼❤️🙏🙌All I can say is that we are blessed with lots of talent!!our future is orange!!💚🇿🇦🙌🙏🍻💪🏼🫡
Good discussion - loved it.
That Sharks - Auckland final all those years ago, was reffed by Wayne Ericsson. He screwed the Sharks from the first whistle. Bloody Aussie bastard. Even though I was young back then, I knew something stank.
Maybe your nose was too close to your arse
Yes the people have spoken!
Welcome back gentlemen, enjoyed the chat
Thank Goodness that you are back.
Gibbs 's stories are Bonkers
This was really a good show. In a long time. Bringing the All Blacks and Blues in as well. My dream would be a 2-0 vs Ireland, tough but wins and then a win at the bastion of Springbok Rugby, Ellis Park and a good win, not with 1 point and a red card. Go Bokke!!
Yes more good stuff 👏👏👏
So nice to have your podcast back
Keo suffering from some level of trauma when he sees Esterhuizen....
Please Keo, like Tappe Henning excused himself from blowing Bulls games, please excuse yourself from commenting on the Esterhuizen/DDA debate - you're biased, own it.
Fyi: Love the show, was a great addition to the RWC, hope this becomes a fixture during the international season!
Really missed this
Welcome back gentlemen!
Favourite part of this podcast are the thumbnails
i hope Edwill gets a start vs Ireland... on form and has a scrumcap so its official
😊 I really hope so, his debut was brilliant. Work rate, Work rate, work rate
He should play 10, for sure. He has insane talent.
lekker.
Thanks enjoyed this alot!!!
Bring back Ricky. Muchas gracias.
I quote Zels about ABs 'lack of grunt upfront' - they have two new props at 6'5" each and the weight to fill the frames - the ABs are going to be very hard to beat this year.
Does not necessarily translate in strength. Let us see how they will deal with seasoned campaigners.
Props being tall is not a good thing. Wilco Louw 1.82 , 140KG and OX would take them all day long.
The AB's definitely aren't lacking grunt, Zels as also called the AB's pack a "Powder Puff Pack" last year. Look at the RWC final, that last 20 mins. Anytime there was a scrum, the Springboks were pushed back and dominated. Look at the very last 2 scrums at the very end of the game, the Springbok scrum got demolished. That was with Ox on the field.
@@subhuman119 NZ committed an early push in the last scrum
@@username-iq1nt If it was an early push, then the ref would have blown the whistle. The AB's timing was spot on, they just owned the SA scrum in those moments.
Go back and look at it. Faf delayed putting in the ball the first scrum, because the SA scrum was under pressure. Ref blowed the whistle and it was reset.
Second time, Faf put in the ball as quick as possible, because he knew if he didn't, the SA scrum would have conceded a penalty. Giving the AB's a last chance to kick for 3.
Great stuff guys!!
Fassi been unfairly treated had a great game taking every high ball, assisted in both tries coming into the line, give the guy a proper chance and put your provincialism aside
Their considering his development, chill my man
Missed you guys!!!
All I'm saying is we gonna be cooking come the next world cup 😁😁😁😁😁nevermind the ups and downs we will be ready with the new blood getting lots of experience in the meantime go bokkkkkkkkkkke❤❤❤
Welcome!🌿
Boks First game. Rust. Injuries. New caps. Great score considering
Suddenly I'm having a much better Monday
great find for me
I can't hit like fast enough 🤩
It was a lot of new ones that will have to step up to have a Springbok stamp on them.I hope Rassie will put some of the old Boks back into the game for Ireland for I am not sure that this team is able to get on top of Ireland
There are too many rolling mauls, if it does not work, change the plan and not playing wide at the try line. This is from an elderly Granny. SA Cape Town
The Bulls got beaten by a well coached team...Well done to Franco Smith and his coaching team.
They're back!
Bulls organisers-Playing sweet Caroline & Zombie at Loftus? What happend to playing Steve Bloubul or Ulie Boellie? We gave them a home ground!
I think Rassie is testing new ones to see how they are doing
the boys are back!!
Where has this show been?
Jordan Hendricks’s had a shocker. Esterhuizen needs to run straight and hand off tacklers. Another SBW should be his target.
why does Zels look so red?
Weed
Sasha is of course the future Bok 10,but the three best kicks of the day came from Jordan.
Bafana Bafana Boks vs Paddy and the Imports. It'll mean a lot more to the latter, hopefully it lives up to the billing.
Think Gibbs is missing the little experiment Rassie and Tony were testing out and who better than to face Wales to try things out, very experimental stage though for the Boks and as expected too, think Tony is the right man for the job as the Boks develop. Score board as well was as predicted so can't be too critical here. Aphelele Fassi hasn't got much to work on, Jordan unfortunately didn't cope well, Mngomezulu is definately up there along with Edwill, very promising for these brilliant 2 players.
U could see the boks pushing on after the 40 usually if we are ahead we just kick it out but we actually pushed on and tried to score. Thats a NZ tactic
Alot less box kicks too. Im surprised about that the most.
Keohane is such a weird-looking dude.
Ricky needs to be back....
Where the F is Ricky?😂
It's Steyn's mum that's from Glasgow, not his gran.
My show is back 🕺🏾🎉😅
International Test Season has officially started now!!
What do you think of a backline like this
9.grant william 10.sacha 11.kolbe 12.damiam willemse 13. Moodie 14.curtley arendse 15. Mannie libbok
Franco will be the next Scotland coach, watch, he will be their coach come world cup 2027
Will have to wait and see because the S Africans have been calling his name to return to SA for quite some time now.
Ref : The critically mentioned disconnect between # 9 + # 10 .... And not only in THIS game ! Can someone please inform me as to exactly WHAT is seen in the Hendrikse brothers that is of international standard ( BOTH soon to be playing for the Sharks ! ). There are others who are certainly WAY more worthy of recognition in their respective # 9 ( Jaden ) + # 10 ( Jordan ) positions .... Enuff already ! 🤙🏉🇿🇦
Can we please see, Wiese6, Roos7 and Pieter-steph8 starting as loosies?! Please.
We have this conversation every year for the past 7years. Kolisi will and should start at 6, PTSD 7, 8 is tricky because of retired Duane and suspended Wiese. My vote goes to Roos. Kwagga and Van Staden on the bench for Loftus.
It’s a shame that the Stormers play Sacha-FM at 12 and 15. Play him at 10 please Dobbo!
I'm afraid Dobbo is also committing the big coaching mistake these last couple of seasons, of making certain players "God's gift" to the team. I just want to state that I'm not bashing Manie here. I like the way he plays so much, that I don't even care that much about his kicking, though I will not deny it can be problematic at times. My problem is with Dobbo who seems to want to please everyone and end up making a lot of players unhappy, even though it wasn't his intention. If certain players don't want to compete for their position, then you can't say such a player is a team man. Most players feel forced to say they will play wherever the coach want them. The same with Galant. He is undoubtedly one of the most exited players to watch when in form, but he should compete with Willemse for the right of who deserve the most minutes on the park. Dobson should stop protecting Manie, Galant and Herschel against not having to compete for their positions. I mean, if you can rotate and sub a 2-time WC winning legend like Frans Malherbe, you can do it to anyone in the squad. It's so obviously, that Sacha deserves more time at 10 and that Damian should first be selected at 15 and shift to 12 or the other positions as the situation within the game dictates. The Stormers have the talent to become an even bigger force, but if Dobbo is not going to go back to being the rugby-guy I know he is and start managing his squad again instead of pleasing players, we as supporters can prepare ourselves to go back to the days of disappointments.
You guys posting again is 'Why Bok fans are buzzing!!'
Maybe they weren’t showing the Irish anything but feeling each other out
Dont you think that DDA shone 'brighter' in the game because the man inside him had changed to a better player in Sascha? I think Andre would have been shown to be better with Sascha than playing outside of Jordan who looked rushed the whole time. Jordan really isn't the greatest 10, and in fact, Sanele is better there. I am ok with Jordan at 12 or 13 where his solid defense is more appreciated.
Oh and BTW, the ABs in the WC final were the one team who definitely fronted the Bok front rows. They def have the ability to front SA physically and even in the scrum. That is why its always so close, its not just the great backlines.
DDA is just better at rugby than physical freak Andre the Giant. If we play more attacking play, could we see Andre coming on as a sub to create massive line breaks when the opponents are dead tired?
He needs to run straight more. Then maybe...
We need a Manie type of flyhalf with slick hands to get the backline moving. Sascha hasn't shown that skill yet, or has he, not sure? Thats why Andre didn't "play" well and why the backline didn't spark. Sascha is a good kicker, and a guy with BMT, why not play him at 12, 13 or 15? A guy like Manie is worth 4 tries with his good passing game, real pity about his kicking though.
Fassie will have to step up if he wants. To be in the BOK TEAM
And you think he hasn't people just hate fassi and always seem to find an excuse