I tried a few different ones. IF...you can find a Strix OC with no/little coil whine, that is a bit better, but seeing as 90% of them have bad coil whine, the next best (or maybe best) is the Master.
Thanks, I'll do that. Btw, do you think this card will fit into the C500 Glass. I bought this case earlier this year because Gigabyte stopped make the C700 for some reason.@@mrmrgaming
@@chrismiddleton8984 I don't want to jinx myself, but so far, its been perfect. The new bios from about two months ago really nailed it all down well. The only card I would put about it is the Asus Strix, but finding one of them without bad coil whine is very hard.
@@chrismiddleton8984 Card has been working great! Although I had to remove it from my current rig because I'm planning to use this card for a different build over the next couple of months. But yeah card runs smoothly, no crashes, temps are cool, no coil whine. When you handle this beast of a card tho don't handle it from the area where the heatsinks are exposed. You may kind of bend the backplate. anyway, enjoy the card!
I am looking for this gpu but my case is lian li o11 dynamic. I cant fit it only vertical mounted and i don t know how much clearence will have to get air
What is done with your MSI Suprim X, do you have a replacement from MSI or from Cablemod. I had 2 Cablemod Cables for my Surpim 4090, with the first one i become after one month blackscreens. I updatet the Bios, Cleaninstall, new RAM, new Powwersupply. At the end it was only the Cablemod Cable that was faulty (see on reddit so many users have the same Problem). The new one with another Sensepins work withpout issues. Only the plastic cover (lettering Cablemod) from the Cable is not fixed. The first generation Cablemod Cable plastic cover was fixed. How is about your Cablemod Cable, is the plastic cover also not fixed ?
Hi It looks like Cablemod wants me to send it to Germany ( I am in UK) to get it fixed. That's fine, but I hope they can sort the whole postage thing as sending to the EU now can be a nightmare with expensive stuff that is classed as faulty. The Cablemod cable is an EVGA x4 8pin to 12v. The plastic cover at the end comes off, it's not fixed in place.
@@mrmrgaming that would be great i am planning on returning the suprim to get AORUS GeForce RTX 4090 MASTER your video made me contemplate on returning it and getting this card instead
@@keno2363 So far, I really like it. Sadly, there is no winner in the 4090s unless you can find a Strix OC without coil whine. The Master looks great with the LEDs on the fans, and the side screen is ok if you use it. It cools great, and it can OC easily. 130 core/1200 mem worked straight away, not tried any higher. The one downside is Gigabytes fan curve. I want the LEDs on the fan to work, but with all new cards, when cool, they stop. I had to ditch the Gigabyte software and use Afterburner. I made a curve that has the fans on all the time at around 770rpm (can not hear them). This way, the LEDs work. I then have it ramp up for when it gets hotter. It's a bit pot luck with cards, but as long as this one does not explode or electrocute me....I will be happy lol
Better temps. Fan-wise, speed for speed they are about the same. The issue with the Master is they don't have a slow climb; they jump a lot faster to the speed needed and in some cases, you will hear their faster climb. In my case, I don't really notice it, plus the games that make the fans turn on normally make the case fans speed up so it sounds like the MSI. For people with a more air/open case or poor fan cooling, you might hear it more....but, there is hardly any coil whine, so what do you go for? More controlled fan noise or way less coil whine. Oh, and custom curve with Gigabyte is crap using their software. Some have done things with afterburner though.
Card looks beautiful. I think it has the best RGB use of all of them. The one thing that gives me pause to buy one is the reportedly bad software. I hear you can’t control the RGB without Gigabytes software(no alternatives?). I read that the software is terrible and the RGB can’t be set properly, reverts to default or just freezes, including the little screen. So I am like whats the use of the nice RGB if I can’t control it? Your thoughts and experience on this? Thanks.
I know from past Gigabyte stuff it is best to do a fresh Windows install as they are one company whose software does not play nice with others. Now, that's not just Gigabyte, as I have had nightmares with Asus software as well. Normally when people say, "Well, I uninstalled...." it's not enough. Many programs leave little code/files behind and sometimes it causes issues. So far, for me (going to jinx myself) the card has been perfect with software/bios and so on.
Hey, I was just curious to what fan profile you are using?. The default one seems rather loud or it could just be i am compared it to the best in terms of fan noise the strix. I was also wondering if you encountered any problems when attempting to apply a gif?. It will bring it up yet when you crop it. There is no accept button what so ever. Thanks in advance!.
Hi. There has been a bios release that fixes all the issues now. Fan curve and reviving. It works perfectly now. The gif thing was buggy on release, but again, that is all fine now.
Hmm, i guess it's just that the Strix is in a world of it's own when it comes to come fan noise (1500) and below. It turns out mine has CW, not as bad as the Strix but still. @@mrmrgaming
@@danielshaw7368 The new fan curve with the Master is 0 to 1100 and that is much better than before. The fan also tracks power, so even if the GPU is around 40c, if the power hits 180w+, the fans come on because it knows you are gaming. This is good because that means every time the GPU cools down, it does not turn the fans off straight away. The start and stop all the time was what people called "revving" This is now fixed with the new bios.
@@mrmrgaming Yeah, I made sure to flash it to F4 asap as it came with F3. I guess I spoiled myself with how super quiet the Strix is fan wise. I guess the positive is that it had less coil whine than the Strix but still there.
@danielshaw7368 There is some, but its about the same as the Zotac and others. The difference between the Strix and the Suprim is night and day. The Strix is still the cooling king, but TBH, knowing what I do now. I would have gone for the Master first. No idea how long any card will last, but I love the led blades, the gif screen, and it has great temps. The only issues have now been fixed with the new bios.
F2. It's really annoying because they have a F11, but you need to be on F10 to upgrade. When I asked them, they said utter nonsense stuff and did not explain how/why I could not get hold of F10 first. I mean, is it just Asia or something that has it?
@@mrmrgaming GB customer support is useless. F10 cards probably have different parts on them, but there's an F3 version on the Techpowerup Bios collection you could give a try with nvflash.
Hi, I'm choosing between this and the strix oc, on Amazon price difference is negligible. On paper higher boost frequency on strix, but does that small difference make any real difference in gaming?? From an aesthetical pov I like the aorus master more, but vertical mounting is the only way to enjoy fans leds...even if it means not seeing the little monitor, on the only card that has got one
Strix (out the box) is maybe 5fps faster, has amazing fans, average looks, is very heavy, 2xhdmi, and has great temps all around.....But it also has a bigger chance of bad coil whine. Master (out the box) good fans, great temps, great LEDs, lighter, small amount of coil whine...sometimes none vs Strix. If you can get a Strix with a small amount of coil whine, that one wins, but, its 50/50. This is why after 4 of them, I gave up.
@@frankthepriest1220 Coil whine is normal, but if you can hear it while it's locked up in your case, I think that's too much, so I return them. Good luck
Specs wise MSI MEG, looks wise...maybe the Asus Hero. Hard to say with looks if you like the more black look or the bit better ARGB on the board. Software wise they are about the same. Asus maybe has better compatibility with other ARGB, not sure.
For real I’m a first time builder and after a week of silence I nearly had a heart attack because the strix began buzzing like a swarm of bees and I was shocked to learn that’s supposedly normal after not seeing any mention of it in reviews and guides so I returned it for this card here, plus it’s got a awesome little screen 😎
@@aladdin7387 yes, it’s very very pleasant, way better than the suprim x, and I can only hear it if I put my ear up to the glass while running it at 100%
Thanks. The Mater might not have the build quality of the Strix or Suprim, but if you mess about with the LEDs on the fans, and the mini LCD screen, you can have the best-looking :-)....and less coil whine.
@@mrmrgaming I personally think this looks better than the Suprim X - On the side of the Suprim, where it has the Suprim X Logo, it looks a bit tacky /not professional in my opinion anyway. Seems the main issue people say with this one is the software /fans, but I have also used Asus Software which is very bloated /hard to fully uninstall for "novice" users (which I am not lol). Hopefully the new vBIOS updates on this card will help with the Fan curves. Thanks for your review of this - There are not many of them sadly. :)
@@josephlaurence When it's in your case and you pick the LEDs colours/pattern, this is the best looking 4090 with ease. When the LEDs are off, its the Suprim. One way around it is that I have the fans on all the time at 800rpm (silent). They ramp up when it gets hotter. This way, I have the LEDs on all the time.
For some reason my Aorus 4090 Master won't display these various LED lights. It just lights up the one that's rainbow colors but none of those that are single colors. Had uninstalled Gigabyte Control Center and installed again, but no luck. ¿How you made yours to properly work?
Have you just updated the LED firmware. There was a new one this month and a few people say their LEDs are messed up. The new bios is great, but it seems the screen and LED firmware is one to miss for now.
@@mrmrgaming The LED firmware worked. Now I cand switch every GPU light preset at GCC. Haven't done the BIOS yet. I'd rather that one to be done under a technician supervisor, same for my Aorus Master X670E Motherboard latest BIOS update. I can tell the GPU's LCD screen doesn't change along the other color presets.
The Strix OC is the best 4090 there is. Well made, feels good, looks good, has the best cooler and fans, fastest card....But, most of them have bad coil whine. Some get lucky, but I would say 80/90% have noticeable to bad coil whine. The Master is a great card so far, I really like it. Its biggest issue is the bios fan curve is too high, and it does not need it. What I did was install GCC and set all the LEDs how I like. Then, uninstall it and install Afterburner to control the fans. The normal bios control goes from 0 to 1400, and silent is 0 to 1200, but with AB, you can set it to start at 900rpm and then work its way up.....oh, and the coil whine is way, way lower than the Strix and Suprim cards. Right now, if you can get a Strix or Suprim with low coil whine, get one, but if not, get the Master. Its just I know I never found one out of many tries.
Thanks for your detailed reply I genuinely appreciate it. I think I'm going to go for the gigabyte card and see how it goes. I don't want to entertain coil whine.
@@wdunn06 The worst I can get out of the Master is with RDR2. One of the most notorious games for it. With the Master, there is coil whine, but I have to sit by my PC and listen for it. With the Strix and Suprim, I could sit a few meters away and hear the coil whine. If coil whine was not an issue, the top 3 would be Strix/Suprim/Master in that order, but because coil whine is an issue, I would say Master/Suprim/Strix.
If, they would let me set a fan speed of 30% all the time and ramp up as needed, this would be the best-looking card. The LEDs and what you can do with them is amazing to see, but they have to be running, and that's only in demanding games.
@@sebna You can, but it's not easy because you want Gigabyte software for the LEDs. They sometimes don't work well together. I have found a good way around this and a way that I want because I want the LEDs on all the time. I set the far left temp as 0, right in the bottom corner. This keeps the fans on all the time at 800rpm, then as it gets warmer, they speed up. For this card, it's great because the LEDs look really good, but because the card is so good at cooling unless it's a demanding game, you don't see the fans come on much.
The fan revving was fixed around August via a bios update, so any made around that time no doubt shipped with the update. It's a great card.....so far. I wish I had tried this card first when they launched.
But it sounds very loud in the video! Maybe you just have to be lucky and get the right card when you buy it 🤔 And I heard that the software isn't good😶
@nickai7056 This video was before the new bios that dropped the speed and fixed fan revving. For noise, Strix is the best, then maybe Suprim or Master. The problem with the Strix and Suprim is that they have a bigger chance or coil whine that is very noticeable.
You need to see which bios it comes with. If it's F4 or F11, you're on the new one. If not, then updating the bios really helps this card. You might also need to update the LCD and LED firmware. www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N4090AORUS-M-24GD/support#dl
I have interesting info or you. I have here 2x Suprim X and I have just sent back PNY 4090. If not for one tiny problem, which probably would not even get noticed or known about by most, PNY was just destroying MSI Suprim X. So much better fans and cooling. Fans are quieter and when you can hear them they have this hush type of sound which blends into background while MSI has this droning sound about it which can be hared from the moment they start spinning at 880 rpm. The cooling performance of PNY is out of this world. In normal operation it is about 15C! lower than MSI Suprim X, when I push it to the max with two runs 20 min each of Furmark Stress test to make sure the system is properly heated PNY is constantly 10C better than MSI... What is more this leads to MB chipset and NVMe SSD to be 10C cooler in stress test.That is just massive. CW is better also on PNY. Not by much but it is better I would estimate it as 2-3/10 for PNY and 4/10 on one of MSI and 4-5/10 on the other. Finally the 4-5/10 MSI has some QC problems with its fans and they make some strange mechanical noises in addition. Like squeaking etc. Quick and dirty MSI Afterburner OC scan set them to same parameters... but PNY does it at 450Wats mostly while MSI goes to 530 for no reason or gain. It is entirely possible that the PNY I had here was a really good piece of silicone lottery, but I also flashed MSI with PNY BIOS and the improvement was instant but still temps where 5-6C higher than on PNY. The reason why I sent back this PNY, and I had to force myself to do it, as not only it preforms so much better than Suprim X but was also 270 euro cheaper than Suprim X, is frequency response of the sound the fans make. I have calibrated measuring mic here. I used it to measure and compare coil whine on all 3 cards but also fans. PNY fans have 40db spike at 22.4khz over noise floor (10-15cm from mic placement from fans). 99% of population will not be able to hear it. I cannot but a) I can still feel it (that is why I measured it, as I could feel there is problem if high frequency part of spectrum) and b) It leads to ear fatigue, in my case, kind of scratchy, itchy feel in the ear and tinnitus aggravation if exposed for prolong periods of time. To those who would like to write that humans cannot hear that high. That is true for 99% of population but it is not about hearing it. The sound energy is still exerted at our hearing organ. To be exact membrane and other mechanical elements of it are unnecessary bombarded 22400 times a second with 40db force if you would put your ear 15cm of the card. At 100cm I am seating I measured it to be still about 9db of energy. It will not do you any good especially if you tend to spend hundreds of hours a year in front of a PC. MSI fans are free from that problem so even tough those two MSI cards are worse in every other aspect than this 22.4khz spike I have decided to send back the PNY card (still cannot believe I did it, and that they allowed such fan to be used...). Such a brillant card that PNY was (and BTW i tested fans individually to make sure it is not that one of them has a problem. No all are the same). So now I am deciding between the two MSI... I want to do final heat soaking of both and see if any performs better. Have you noticed droning sound made by fans on your MSI - by the looks of it you rate Giga fans higher than MSI but lower than ASUS? Cheers
Sorry, missed this. The Asus fans win, and if you can keep the Suprim fans below 1400, they are great, but after that, a lot of the cards start to sound the same, bar the Strix. The reason why the Strix is so good is because the cooler works so well. Because of this, the fans spin slower=less noise. The Gig fans are great until 1400 like most of the others. By that, I mean I can make out from the case fans, not so much in volume, but I can distinguish them. I have heard good thing about the PNY card this time around. I think Palit are the ones to avoid due to poor PCB layout/parts. Asus has updated their Strix with different inductors. Many months ago I did videos on the coil whine for Strix and Suprim and I blamed the 70a inductors...and I was right :-) The problem is finding one of the new cards as it seems sellers have no idea how to tell old vs new.
@@dac33nr58 If...and it's a big if, you can get one with low/no coil whine (can not hear it when in your PC case) then yes..It wins on cooling/fan noise/2xhdmi. The Gigabyte Master is next, or a Suprim X.....if you can find one with low/no coil whine.
@dac33nr58 Not sure on build quality, but as for coil whine. 95% of the time, it stays the same. The odd time it gets better, and at times a card gets worse. There is about 10 things I know of that can cause coil whine, but most of the time it's the card itself. This is why you can buy a GPU and it's silent, but put it in your friends and you hear bad coil whine.
@@mrmrgaming sounds like a real bird, at first it looks like it coincide with the chibi time egg hatching animation in the lcd display then I’d hear it when I swapped to custom GIF. I googled this everywhere but no luck lmao.
@@jamesrock9446 Coil whine is more of a buzzing sound, but you might have coil squeal. It's basically a high-pitched squeal. It might be from your GPU or from the motherboard chokes that are normally arranged around the CPU socket.
@@jamesrock9446 Thanks. I don't make that many vids, more so when I buy new bits, but I answer many questions. This year will just be the AMD 8000 CPU and probably Deepcool's new AIO which is due out soon.
It is better, yes. The fans are better, the bios as to how it works is better. Quieter. When the RGB is on, it looks very nice. More power phases. It's Gigabytes top card at the moment.
@@instaq The main plus points for the Master, right now are the looks and the fact that they did a new bios, and it fixed an issue that all Gigabyte 4090s have. They sorted the fan revving and fan curve speeds. Sadly, they have not done one for the Gaming and Windforce.
@@instaq Well, in an ideal world where neither of them develop a fault the moment I recommend it lol, The Master. Out of all the cards I tried, I rate the top 3 as Asus Strix/Master/Suprim X. The issue with the Strix and Suprim is finding one with bearable coil whine. If you find a Strix with no coil whine, that is a clear winner in many areas...but I never did.
i am ordering same card it cost like hell but i will buy it. It is best looking card and the most silent. iT COST 2200 euros in my country where is minim salary 880 euros lol.
So far (hope I don't curse myself) the card is excellent. Out of all the cards I tried, only the Strix is better, but its coil whine (tried 3) was terrible.
@@mrmrgaming i never found review that aorus master has melting problems rest cards do. But i found review The gigabyte can eazy break if you do not do vertical mounting.
@@MakeSh00t A lot of the "Breaking" Gigabyte and Founders editions were down to the prebuilds. Due to the cost, most prebuilds came with Gig and Founders cards, and if you know a 4090, it's not light. Now, I don't care how well-pack prebuilds are; I would not trust the weight of a 4090 horizontal as it travels 100s, if not 1000s, of miles. There was one repair channel where he also pointed out that the Gig and Founders had the bigger issue because they were in more prebuilds. I myself have vertically mounted since the 3090. The cards are just too big and heavy to be 100% safe.
@@MakeSh00t The Strix OC is the best 4090...but also one of the worst. It has the best fans. Best cooler. 2x HDMI. It is well supported with argb software. Fast. But, it is also the heaviest card, and I really would not horizontally mount it at all. It also has the worst coil whine, like 2x or 3x what the Master has, but there is a lottery with that. I pointed out long ago that I thought the 70a inductors in the Strix and Suprim were to blame for their bad coil whine. In August, Asus said they were going to swap the inductors out for a different brand in the hopes of lowering coil whine. The problem is no one knows what is the old stock and what is the new, hence "lottery".
Such a sexy card but with bad software! I had once the 3090 Master and it kept having very HOT VRM's from a prebuilt I purchased. The shop returned me a MSI Suprim instead which still works very well! From what I've read, the 4090's should be fine this time for the VRM issue. I would be uneasy with the PCB reports but then again, this shouldn't be a problem if you take good care of it. However, the awful known Gigabyte support pushes me away from any product of that company. Especially for the PCB cracking, Giga doesn't support this and you are clearly SOL if that happens to you. With your current track record of unlucky tech parts, I really hope this won't be happening! About time you stop fiddling around and just enjoy your machine man! Also, I truly hope Cablemod will take care of your 4090 Suprim X! PS. That NV7 case is quite sexy! Might buy the white variant for my gf new rig 😊
The cracking PCB seems to fall heavily on prebuilt machines according to one of the repair shops. Even without that, I just don't trust having these heavy cards horizontal, I have them all vertical now and no doubt forever because they are not going to get lighter. So far with Cablemod, it seems they are going to fix rather than replace it. The NV7 is nice, very nice, but I hate building in it. I did not find it build-friendly and I might swap to the Lian Li evo xl when it comes out.
@@mrmrgaming Without any GPU holder or anti-sag yeah, I'd be worried shitless! I used to have my 4090 mounted vertically but I'm not liking the downgrade to PCIE 3.0 with the riser. And whenever I do a BIOS update, I always had to remember forcing the system to go at PCIE 3.0. Granted, SOME may say that PCIE3.0 is not "that big of a deal" but in 4K gaming, I'd say the otherwise! So Cablemod will fix your GPU? Bah! That's good I guess... just all that delay sucks big time. Duly noted for the NV7! She currently sits on the Lian Li 011 Dynamic XL and that one was quite bitchy to build inside... and add 10 Corsair RGB fans that you gotta manage all the frickin' cabling... guh! Quite a good thing Corsair finally made some daisy-chain fans... which should be in her new PC.
@@starfuxer My MB does Gen 4 and 5, and the riser is Gen 4 so I am ok that way. At the moment, it seems like a fix, but it will be sold once I get it back. The NV7 is very nice, but I think it lacks about 2cm more width for cables at the back and the side intake is harder to work with. There is an NV9 on the way that basically fixes all the issues.
@@mrmrgaming Oh my MB does Gen 5 but the riser I have is Gen 3 sadly... the bling bling Azza Riser! If they make a Gen 4, I'll consider going back vertically but as of now, I got my case 'bracket' with the ASUS Helios and a gpu holder underneath. All's good! Yeah, I saw the NV9 at Computex... that could be the right case for our needs.
@@Yandross Gigabyte doesn't have the best rep, although many people forget that Gig cards go into a lot more premade PCs. Because of this, you do hear about more issues, but that's because they have been speed-fitted or shipped within a PC that was perhaps not well-packed. I would say MSI and Asus are close at the top, then perhaps Gigabyte. It's just with the 4090s, this Gigabyte card has been the best one "I" had.
Tried 3 of them. Nice looks, good fans, bad coil whine. My 3090 was a Suprim X so that's why I tried the 4090, but the Suprim X and Asus Strix use 70a inductor, and they are more prone to coil whine. Some people got lucky, but a lot did not. It was that bad that Asus even said the 70a inductors would be swapped for another brand (Aug 2023) but no news what happened or if it worked.
@@mrmrgaming I just came from a RTX 3080 ROG STRIX and the coil whine was unsufferable. Literally a nightmare. I wanted to buy a GPU I would never ever hear, did my research and the Suprim X with literally the same cooling system as the 4090, was king. Perhaps I was lucky but theres 0 coil whine in my card so far, I tested it for barely 6 days.
@Aegis. There is a list of about 10 things that cause coil whine, but one or two of them require knowledge and tech most don't have. (Such as batch numbers of caps and inductions used) The main one is simply getting a "good" one lol 95% of the time, it's down to the card and parts used, but there are times where we can do things to get rid of it. If your card is OK now, great, it might be luck, or MSI have also swapped induction brands, who knows......Oh the joys of PC gaming.
Best 4090 imo
I tried a few different ones. IF...you can find a Strix OC with no/little coil whine, that is a bit better, but seeing as 90% of them have bad coil whine, the next best (or maybe best) is the Master.
I just got this card off Amazon today. I'm so looking forward to its arrival. Gr8 video buddy!
Make sure you update the bios. It might not need it, but check because the latest bios is great.
The fan curve and fan stop have improved a lot.
Thanks, I'll do that. Btw, do you think this card will fit into the C500 Glass. I bought this case earlier this year because Gigabyte stopped make the C700 for some reason.@@mrmrgaming
I have literally ordered mine 30 minutes ago, got it coming in 2 days :))) how has the card been treating you?
@@chrismiddleton8984 I don't want to jinx myself, but so far, its been perfect. The new bios from about two months ago really nailed it all down well.
The only card I would put about it is the Asus Strix, but finding one of them without bad coil whine is very hard.
@@chrismiddleton8984 Card has been working great! Although I had to remove it from my current rig because I'm planning to use this card for a different build over the next couple of months. But yeah card runs smoothly, no crashes, temps are cool, no coil whine. When you handle this beast of a card tho don't handle it from the area where the heatsinks are exposed. You may kind of bend the backplate. anyway, enjoy the card!
I am looking for this gpu but my case is lian li o11 dynamic. I cant fit it only vertical mounted and i don t know how much clearence will have to get air
What is done with your MSI Suprim X, do you have a replacement from MSI or from Cablemod.
I had 2 Cablemod Cables for my Surpim 4090, with the first one i become after one month blackscreens. I updatet the Bios, Cleaninstall, new RAM, new Powwersupply. At the end it was only the Cablemod Cable that was faulty (see on reddit so many users have the same Problem). The new one with another Sensepins work withpout issues. Only the plastic cover (lettering Cablemod) from the Cable is not fixed. The first generation Cablemod Cable plastic cover was fixed. How is about your Cablemod Cable, is the plastic cover also not fixed ?
Hi
It looks like Cablemod wants me to send it to Germany ( I am in UK) to get it fixed. That's fine, but I hope they can sort the whole postage thing as sending to the EU now can be a nightmare with expensive stuff that is classed as faulty.
The Cablemod cable is an EVGA x4 8pin to 12v. The plastic cover at the end comes off, it's not fixed in place.
@@mrmrgaming Sound's good, i hope they replace the whole Card, but i don't know. And thanks for your reply with the plastik cover
@@patrickmika6493 They have a V2 cable out soon....soonish. From what I see, one of the main changes is that they will remove the sense wires.
nice videos man , could u make a video about all of ur 4090s and compare their coil whine ?
I might go over it next week as a recap on which are bad/good/possible reasons for it.
@@mrmrgaming that would be great i am planning on returning the suprim to get AORUS GeForce RTX 4090 MASTER your video made me contemplate on returning it and getting this card instead
@@keno2363 So far, I really like it. Sadly, there is no winner in the 4090s unless you can find a Strix OC without coil whine.
The Master looks great with the LEDs on the fans, and the side screen is ok if you use it. It cools great, and it can OC easily. 130 core/1200 mem worked straight away, not tried any higher.
The one downside is Gigabytes fan curve. I want the LEDs on the fan to work, but with all new cards, when cool, they stop. I had to ditch the Gigabyte software and use Afterburner. I made a curve that has the fans on all the time at around 770rpm (can not hear them). This way, the LEDs work. I then have it ramp up for when it gets hotter.
It's a bit pot luck with cards, but as long as this one does not explode or electrocute me....I will be happy lol
what case is that
How do the temperatures and sound of the fans look compared to the MSI model?
Better temps. Fan-wise, speed for speed they are about the same. The issue with the Master is they don't have a slow climb; they jump a lot faster to the speed needed and in some cases, you will hear their faster climb.
In my case, I don't really notice it, plus the games that make the fans turn on normally make the case fans speed up so it sounds like the MSI.
For people with a more air/open case or poor fan cooling, you might hear it more....but, there is hardly any coil whine, so what do you go for? More controlled fan noise or way less coil whine.
Oh, and custom curve with Gigabyte is crap using their software. Some have done things with afterburner though.
Card looks beautiful. I think it has the best RGB use of all of them. The one thing that gives me pause to buy one is the reportedly bad software. I hear you can’t control the RGB without Gigabytes software(no alternatives?). I read that the software is terrible and the RGB can’t be set properly, reverts to default or just freezes, including the little screen. So I am like whats the use of the nice RGB if I can’t control it? Your thoughts and experience on this? Thanks.
I know from past Gigabyte stuff it is best to do a fresh Windows install as they are one company whose software does not play nice with others. Now, that's not just Gigabyte, as I have had nightmares with Asus software as well.
Normally when people say, "Well, I uninstalled...." it's not enough. Many programs leave little code/files behind and sometimes it causes issues.
So far, for me (going to jinx myself) the card has been perfect with software/bios and so on.
Hey,
I was just curious to what fan profile you are using?. The default one seems rather loud or it could just be i am compared it to the best in terms of fan noise the strix.
I was also wondering if you encountered any problems when attempting to apply a gif?. It will bring it up yet when you crop it. There is no accept button what so ever.
Thanks in advance!.
Hi.
There has been a bios release that fixes all the issues now. Fan curve and reviving. It works perfectly now.
The gif thing was buggy on release, but again, that is all fine now.
Hmm, i guess it's just that the Strix is in a world of it's own when it comes to come fan noise (1500) and below.
It turns out mine has CW, not as bad as the Strix but still.
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@@danielshaw7368 The new fan curve with the Master is 0 to 1100 and that is much better than before. The fan also tracks power, so even if the GPU is around 40c, if the power hits 180w+, the fans come on because it knows you are gaming. This is good because that means every time the GPU cools down, it does not turn the fans off straight away.
The start and stop all the time was what people called "revving" This is now fixed with the new bios.
@@mrmrgaming Yeah, I made sure to flash it to F4 asap as it came with F3. I guess I spoiled myself with how super quiet the Strix is fan wise.
I guess the positive is that it had less coil whine than the Strix but still there.
@danielshaw7368 There is some, but its about the same as the Zotac and others. The difference between the Strix and the Suprim is night and day.
The Strix is still the cooling king, but TBH, knowing what I do now. I would have gone for the Master first.
No idea how long any card will last, but I love the led blades, the gif screen, and it has great temps. The only issues have now been fixed with the new bios.
hey, planning this card in a build, i'm sure it comes with an anti sag bracket, should I be trusting it or looking to buy a better 3rd party one
TBH, since the 3090s I have used vertical mounts. I just don't trust the weight lol
I use the Cooler Master V3.
This is card looks absolutely beautiful
Yeah, the fan LEDs can do a lot of stuff if you want. Best looking 4090 once they come on.
Which BIOS is on this card? Gigabyte released a BIOS Update for the newer Aorus Masters which supposedly fixes the fan stop behavior.
F2. It's really annoying because they have a F11, but you need to be on F10 to upgrade. When I asked them, they said utter nonsense stuff and did not explain how/why I could not get hold of F10 first. I mean, is it just Asia or something that has it?
@@mrmrgaming GB customer support is useless. F10 cards probably have different parts on them, but there's an F3 version on the Techpowerup Bios collection you could give a try with nvflash.
I bought this one today, waiting for delivering. Got the Aorus master z690 as well, do you know if the bracket can be used with the mobo?
Which bracket do you have? What riser cable? You should be using a Gen 4 riser.
Hi, I'm choosing between this and the strix oc, on Amazon price difference is negligible.
On paper higher boost frequency on strix, but does that small difference make any real difference in gaming??
From an aesthetical pov I like the aorus master more, but vertical mounting is the only way to enjoy fans leds...even if it means not seeing the little monitor, on the only card that has got one
Strix (out the box) is maybe 5fps faster, has amazing fans, average looks, is very heavy, 2xhdmi, and has great temps all around.....But it also has a bigger chance of bad coil whine.
Master (out the box) good fans, great temps, great LEDs, lighter, small amount of coil whine...sometimes none vs Strix.
If you can get a Strix with a small amount of coil whine, that one wins, but, its 50/50. This is why after 4 of them, I gave up.
Thanks mate, I took the strix oc. I'll let you know about coil whine as soon as it arrives, hoping I've been lucky
@@frankthepriest1220 Coil whine is normal, but if you can hear it while it's locked up in your case, I think that's too much, so I return them.
Good luck
Would you recommend that mother board your using over an Asus ROG hero Z790?
Specs wise MSI MEG, looks wise...maybe the Asus Hero. Hard to say with looks if you like the more black look or the bit better ARGB on the board.
Software wise they are about the same. Asus maybe has better compatibility with other ARGB, not sure.
Strix can't be king if it buzzes like a chainsaw :D
Everything bar the buzzing lol
For real I’m a first time builder and after a week of silence I nearly had a heart attack because the strix began buzzing like a swarm of bees and I was shocked to learn that’s supposedly normal after not seeing any mention of it in reviews and guides so I returned it for this card here, plus it’s got a awesome little screen 😎
is the aero gigabyte good with no coil whine? i just got a suprim liquid x but this thing screeches with coil whine and also weird pump noise
Not sure with any card. I can say that so far, the ones with the least amount of coil whine are Gigabyte/Zotac/PNY.
Did u learn about the aero coil whine?
@@aladdin7387 yes, it’s very very pleasant, way better than the suprim x, and I can only hear it if I put my ear up to the glass while running it at 100%
Damn that’s beautiful!
Thanks. The Mater might not have the build quality of the Strix or Suprim, but if you mess about with the LEDs on the fans, and the mini LCD screen, you can have the best-looking :-)....and less coil whine.
@@mrmrgaming I personally think this looks better than the Suprim X - On the side of the Suprim, where it has the Suprim X Logo, it looks a bit tacky /not professional in my opinion anyway.
Seems the main issue people say with this one is the software /fans, but I have also used Asus Software which is very bloated /hard to fully uninstall for "novice" users (which I am not lol). Hopefully the new vBIOS updates on this card will help with the Fan curves.
Thanks for your review of this - There are not many of them sadly. :)
@@josephlaurence When it's in your case and you pick the LEDs colours/pattern, this is the best looking 4090 with ease. When the LEDs are off, its the Suprim.
One way around it is that I have the fans on all the time at 800rpm (silent). They ramp up when it gets hotter. This way, I have the LEDs on all the time.
For some reason my Aorus 4090 Master won't display these various LED lights. It just lights up the one that's rainbow colors but none of those that are single colors. Had uninstalled Gigabyte Control Center and installed again, but no luck. ¿How you made yours to properly work?
Have you just updated the LED firmware. There was a new one this month and a few people say their LEDs are messed up. The new bios is great, but it seems the screen and LED firmware is one to miss for now.
@@mrmrgaming Honestly, I never thought thare was a dedicated firmware just for the LEDs... I0I I'll check it out. Thanks.
Just check Reddit to see if the LED/screen firmware is OK. The new bios is great, but I normally let others test the firmwares in case of bugs.
@@mrmrgaming The LED firmware worked. Now I cand switch every GPU light preset at GCC. Haven't done the BIOS yet. I'd rather that one to be done under a technician supervisor, same for my Aorus Master X670E Motherboard latest BIOS update. I can tell the GPU's LCD screen doesn't change along the other color presets.
What cpu cooler is that?
Deepcool LT720
Would you recommend I buy this or the 4090 strix?
The Strix OC is the best 4090 there is. Well made, feels good, looks good, has the best cooler and fans, fastest card....But, most of them have bad coil whine. Some get lucky, but I would say 80/90% have noticeable to bad coil whine.
The Master is a great card so far, I really like it. Its biggest issue is the bios fan curve is too high, and it does not need it. What I did was install GCC and set all the LEDs how I like. Then, uninstall it and install Afterburner to control the fans. The normal bios control goes from 0 to 1400, and silent is 0 to 1200, but with AB, you can set it to start at 900rpm and then work its way up.....oh, and the coil whine is way, way lower than the Strix and Suprim cards.
Right now, if you can get a Strix or Suprim with low coil whine, get one, but if not, get the Master. Its just I know I never found one out of many tries.
Thanks for your detailed reply I genuinely appreciate it. I think I'm going to go for the gigabyte card and see how it goes. I don't want to entertain coil whine.
@@wdunn06 The worst I can get out of the Master is with RDR2. One of the most notorious games for it. With the Master, there is coil whine, but I have to sit by my PC and listen for it. With the Strix and Suprim, I could sit a few meters away and hear the coil whine.
If coil whine was not an issue, the top 3 would be Strix/Suprim/Master in that order, but because coil whine is an issue, I would say Master/Suprim/Strix.
Really wish i bought this one instead of the OC edition
This was way down on my list. I tried most others, and this was the last one. It turned out to be the best for me.
beautiful card i would have this just under the RTX 4090 SUPRIM X looks wise
If, they would let me set a fan speed of 30% all the time and ramp up as needed, this would be the best-looking card. The LEDs and what you can do with them is amazing to see, but they have to be running, and that's only in demanding games.
@@mrmrgaming can you not use Fan Control (app) or MSI Arfterburner to set your own fan curves to make it do it what you want?
@@sebna You can, but it's not easy because you want Gigabyte software for the LEDs. They sometimes don't work well together.
I have found a good way around this and a way that I want because I want the LEDs on all the time. I set the far left temp as 0, right in the bottom corner. This keeps the fans on all the time at 800rpm, then as it gets warmer, they speed up.
For this card, it's great because the LEDs look really good, but because the card is so good at cooling unless it's a demanding game, you don't see the fans come on much.
@@mrmrgaming You could try one of the 3rd party apps to control RGB - like Fan Control but for RGB and get rid of atrocious Giga software.
I am using the card right now. There is zero coil whine and zero fan revving issue. For me this is the best 4090 out there.
The fan revving was fixed around August via a bios update, so any made around that time no doubt shipped with the update.
It's a great card.....so far. I wish I had tried this card first when they launched.
But it sounds very loud in the video! Maybe you just have to be lucky and get the right card when you buy it 🤔 And I heard that the software isn't good😶
@nickai7056 This video was before the new bios that dropped the speed and fixed fan revving.
For noise, Strix is the best, then maybe Suprim or Master.
The problem with the Strix and Suprim is that they have a bigger chance or coil whine that is very noticeable.
I just scooped this up for MSRP. Pumped. What's this chatter about the card's BIOS? This card has a BIOS?? Guh?
You need to see which bios it comes with. If it's F4 or F11, you're on the new one. If not, then updating the bios really helps this card.
You might also need to update the LCD and LED firmware. www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N4090AORUS-M-24GD/support#dl
10-4. I'll see once I get it and fire it up. Thank you, sir.
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@@Luke-rg5lc No worries. Just make sure if you had any software for past GPUs, you uninstall it.
I have interesting info or you. I have here 2x Suprim X and I have just sent back PNY 4090.
If not for one tiny problem, which probably would not even get noticed or known about by most, PNY was just destroying MSI Suprim X. So much better fans and cooling. Fans are quieter and when you can hear them they have this hush type of sound which blends into background while MSI has this droning sound about it which can be hared from the moment they start spinning at 880 rpm.
The cooling performance of PNY is out of this world. In normal operation it is about 15C! lower than MSI Suprim X, when I push it to the max with two runs 20 min each of Furmark Stress test to make sure the system is properly heated PNY is constantly 10C better than MSI...
What is more this leads to MB chipset and NVMe SSD to be 10C cooler in stress test.That is just massive.
CW is better also on PNY. Not by much but it is better I would estimate it as 2-3/10 for PNY and 4/10 on one of MSI and 4-5/10 on the other.
Finally the 4-5/10 MSI has some QC problems with its fans and they make some strange mechanical noises in addition. Like squeaking etc.
Quick and dirty MSI Afterburner OC scan set them to same parameters... but PNY does it at 450Wats mostly while MSI goes to 530 for no reason or gain.
It is entirely possible that the PNY I had here was a really good piece of silicone lottery, but I also flashed MSI with PNY BIOS and the improvement was instant but still temps where 5-6C higher than on PNY.
The reason why I sent back this PNY, and I had to force myself to do it, as not only it preforms so much better than Suprim X but was also 270 euro cheaper than Suprim X, is frequency response of the sound the fans make. I have calibrated measuring mic here. I used it to measure and compare coil whine on all 3 cards but also fans.
PNY fans have 40db spike at 22.4khz over noise floor (10-15cm from mic placement from fans). 99% of population will not be able to hear it. I cannot but a) I can still feel it (that is why I measured it, as I could feel there is problem if high frequency part of spectrum) and b) It leads to ear fatigue, in my case, kind of scratchy, itchy feel in the ear and tinnitus aggravation if exposed for prolong periods of time.
To those who would like to write that humans cannot hear that high. That is true for 99% of population but it is not about hearing it. The sound energy is still exerted at our hearing organ. To be exact membrane and other mechanical elements of it are unnecessary bombarded 22400 times a second with 40db force if you would put your ear 15cm of the card. At 100cm I am seating I measured it to be still about 9db of energy. It will not do you any good especially if you tend to spend hundreds of hours a year in front of a PC.
MSI fans are free from that problem so even tough those two MSI cards are worse in every other aspect than this 22.4khz spike I have decided to send back the PNY card (still cannot believe I did it, and that they allowed such fan to be used...). Such a brillant card that PNY was (and BTW i tested fans individually to make sure it is not that one of them has a problem. No all are the same).
So now I am deciding between the two MSI... I want to do final heat soaking of both and see if any performs better.
Have you noticed droning sound made by fans on your MSI - by the looks of it you rate Giga fans higher than MSI but lower than ASUS?
Cheers
Sorry, missed this.
The Asus fans win, and if you can keep the Suprim fans below 1400, they are great, but after that, a lot of the cards start to sound the same, bar the Strix.
The reason why the Strix is so good is because the cooler works so well. Because of this, the fans spin slower=less noise.
The Gig fans are great until 1400 like most of the others. By that, I mean I can make out from the case fans, not so much in volume, but I can distinguish them.
I have heard good thing about the PNY card this time around. I think Palit are the ones to avoid due to poor PCB layout/parts.
Asus has updated their Strix with different inductors. Many months ago I did videos on the coil whine for Strix and Suprim and I blamed the 70a inductors...and I was right :-) The problem is finding one of the new cards as it seems sellers have no idea how to tell old vs new.
@@mrmrgaming Would you say Asus is overall the better card out of all aftermarket brands ?
@@dac33nr58 If...and it's a big if, you can get one with low/no coil whine (can not hear it when in your PC case) then yes..It wins on cooling/fan noise/2xhdmi.
The Gigabyte Master is next, or a Suprim X.....if you can find one with low/no coil whine.
@@mrmrgaming I heard Asus pcb soldering is better quality & rigidness, and coil whine can disappear over time?
@dac33nr58 Not sure on build quality, but as for coil whine. 95% of the time, it stays the same. The odd time it gets better, and at times a card gets worse.
There is about 10 things I know of that can cause coil whine, but most of the time it's the card itself. This is why you can buy a GPU and it's silent, but put it in your friends and you hear bad coil whine.
How do I get the bird chibi sounds to stop playing, it comes one from time to time and annoying as heck.
From the GPU? Buzz or squealing? Or is it a humming sound?
@@mrmrgaming sounds like a real bird, at first it looks like it coincide with the chibi time egg hatching animation in the lcd display then I’d hear it when I swapped to custom GIF. I googled this everywhere but no luck lmao.
@@jamesrock9446 Coil whine is more of a buzzing sound, but you might have coil squeal. It's basically a high-pitched squeal.
It might be from your GPU or from the motherboard chokes that are normally arranged around the CPU socket.
@@mrmrgaming thanks mate, just sub'd to your channel!
@@jamesrock9446 Thanks. I don't make that many vids, more so when I buy new bits, but I answer many questions.
This year will just be the AMD 8000 CPU and probably Deepcool's new AIO which is due out soon.
Is this better then the gaming oc and if so why?
It is better, yes.
The fans are better, the bios as to how it works is better. Quieter. When the RGB is on, it looks very nice. More power phases.
It's Gigabytes top card at the moment.
@@mrmrgaming ahh I always thought the gaming oc to te the best version, thanks for clarification!
@@instaq The main plus points for the Master, right now are the looks and the fact that they did a new bios, and it fixed an issue that all Gigabyte 4090s have. They sorted the fan revving and fan curve speeds. Sadly, they have not done one for the Gaming and Windforce.
@@mrmrgaming which would you choose if you had the option between this aorus master and Asus Tuf?
@@instaq Well, in an ideal world where neither of them develop a fault the moment I recommend it lol, The Master.
Out of all the cards I tried, I rate the top 3 as Asus Strix/Master/Suprim X.
The issue with the Strix and Suprim is finding one with bearable coil whine.
If you find a Strix with no coil whine, that is a clear winner in many areas...but I never did.
i am ordering same card it cost like hell but i will buy it. It is best looking card and the most silent. iT COST 2200 euros in my country where is minim salary 880 euros lol.
So far (hope I don't curse myself) the card is excellent. Out of all the cards I tried, only the Strix is better, but its coil whine (tried 3) was terrible.
@@mrmrgaming i never found review that aorus master has melting problems rest cards do. But i found review The gigabyte can eazy break if you do not do vertical mounting.
@@MakeSh00t A lot of the "Breaking" Gigabyte and Founders editions were down to the prebuilds.
Due to the cost, most prebuilds came with Gig and Founders cards, and if you know a 4090, it's not light. Now, I don't care how well-pack prebuilds are; I would not trust the weight of a 4090 horizontal as it travels 100s, if not 1000s, of miles.
There was one repair channel where he also pointed out that the Gig and Founders had the bigger issue because they were in more prebuilds.
I myself have vertically mounted since the 3090. The cards are just too big and heavy to be 100% safe.
@@mrmrgaming So now i am scared so u asume that 4090 strix is better? Not braking like gigabyte because its to heavy ?> I can buy strix..
@@MakeSh00t The Strix OC is the best 4090...but also one of the worst.
It has the best fans. Best cooler. 2x HDMI. It is well supported with argb software.
Fast.
But, it is also the heaviest card, and I really would not horizontally mount it at all.
It also has the worst coil whine, like 2x or 3x what the Master has, but there is a lottery with that.
I pointed out long ago that I thought the 70a inductors in the Strix and Suprim were to blame for their bad coil whine. In August, Asus said they were going to swap the inductors out for a different brand in the hopes of lowering coil whine. The problem is no one knows what is the old stock and what is the new, hence "lottery".
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Such a sexy card but with bad software! I had once the 3090 Master and it kept having very HOT VRM's from a prebuilt I purchased. The shop returned me a MSI Suprim instead which still works very well!
From what I've read, the 4090's should be fine this time for the VRM issue. I would be uneasy with the PCB reports but then again, this shouldn't be a problem if you take good care of it. However, the awful known Gigabyte support pushes me away from any product of that company. Especially for the PCB cracking, Giga doesn't support this and you are clearly SOL if that happens to you.
With your current track record of unlucky tech parts, I really hope this won't be happening! About time you stop fiddling around and just enjoy your machine man!
Also, I truly hope Cablemod will take care of your 4090 Suprim X!
PS. That NV7 case is quite sexy! Might buy the white variant for my gf new rig 😊
The cracking PCB seems to fall heavily on prebuilt machines according to one of the repair shops. Even without that, I just don't trust having these heavy cards horizontal, I have them all vertical now and no doubt forever because they are not going to get lighter.
So far with Cablemod, it seems they are going to fix rather than replace it.
The NV7 is nice, very nice, but I hate building in it. I did not find it build-friendly and I might swap to the Lian Li evo xl when it comes out.
@@mrmrgaming Without any GPU holder or anti-sag yeah, I'd be worried shitless! I used to have my 4090 mounted vertically but I'm not liking the downgrade to PCIE 3.0 with the riser. And whenever I do a BIOS update, I always had to remember forcing the system to go at PCIE 3.0.
Granted, SOME may say that PCIE3.0 is not "that big of a deal" but in 4K gaming, I'd say the otherwise!
So Cablemod will fix your GPU? Bah! That's good I guess... just all that delay sucks big time.
Duly noted for the NV7! She currently sits on the Lian Li 011 Dynamic XL and that one was quite bitchy to build inside... and add 10 Corsair RGB fans that you gotta manage all the frickin' cabling... guh! Quite a good thing Corsair finally made some daisy-chain fans... which should be in her new PC.
@@starfuxer My MB does Gen 4 and 5, and the riser is Gen 4 so I am ok that way.
At the moment, it seems like a fix, but it will be sold once I get it back.
The NV7 is very nice, but I think it lacks about 2cm more width for cables at the back and the side intake is harder to work with.
There is an NV9 on the way that basically fixes all the issues.
@@mrmrgaming Oh my MB does Gen 5 but the riser I have is Gen 3 sadly... the bling bling Azza Riser! If they make a Gen 4, I'll consider going back vertically but as of now, I got my case 'bracket' with the ASUS Helios and a gpu holder underneath. All's good!
Yeah, I saw the NV9 at Computex... that could be the right case for our needs.
@@starfuxer I am going to see what price the Evo XL goes for and see if it's tempting.
Nice card
Thanks. It's a card (well, brand) I never thought I would end up with, but it turned out best for me.
@@mrmrgaming why not? Is It anything wrong about Gigabyte cards? I wanted a 4090 but finally got a 7900 XTX because of the connector issue.
@@Yandross Gigabyte doesn't have the best rep, although many people forget that Gig cards go into a lot more premade PCs. Because of this, you do hear about more issues, but that's because they have been speed-fitted or shipped within a PC that was perhaps not well-packed.
I would say MSI and Asus are close at the top, then perhaps Gigabyte. It's just with the 4090s, this Gigabyte card has been the best one "I" had.
suprim x all the way
Tried 3 of them. Nice looks, good fans, bad coil whine.
My 3090 was a Suprim X so that's why I tried the 4090, but the Suprim X and Asus Strix use 70a inductor, and they are more prone to coil whine.
Some people got lucky, but a lot did not. It was that bad that Asus even said the 70a inductors would be swapped for another brand (Aug 2023) but no news what happened or if it worked.
@@mrmrgaming I just came from a RTX 3080 ROG STRIX and the coil whine was unsufferable. Literally a nightmare. I wanted to buy a GPU I would never ever hear, did my research and the Suprim X with literally the same cooling system as the 4090, was king. Perhaps I was lucky but theres 0 coil whine in my card so far, I tested it for barely 6 days.
@Aegis. There is a list of about 10 things that cause coil whine, but one or two of them require knowledge and tech most don't have. (Such as batch numbers of caps and inductions used) The main one is simply getting a "good" one lol
95% of the time, it's down to the card and parts used, but there are times where we can do things to get rid of it.
If your card is OK now, great, it might be luck, or MSI have also swapped induction brands, who knows......Oh the joys of PC gaming.
@@mrmrgaming joys indeed!
Gigacrap 😂
Time will tell, but so far it runs faster and cooler than the MSI Suprim X I had.