TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Was Martin McGuinness an informant?? 13:00 JOINING THE FORCE RESEARCH UNIT 43:15 Did FRU operate both sides of the border? 48:00 Was Ian ever shot at ? 5:00 Work as an FRU handler 57:30 Thoughts on Operation Kenova 1:28:40 HOW handlers met w/ informants/agents 1:39:20 Story about IRA man who drove into the FRU offices 1:41:10 Did the IRA ever have info on IAN ?? (Ian potentially has his life saved by an IRA man’s wife) 1:46:30 Any FRU killed ? 1:49:20 HOW DID FRU RECRUIT AGENTS/INFORMERS ? 2:12:05 HOW WAS SCAP (STAKEKNIFE) RECRUITED ?? WAS HE A “WALK-IN”?? & More thoughts on Operation Kenova 2:32:55 When agents are suspected by IRA 2:36:40 ’Spy-masters dilemmas” (Frank Hegarty’s case) 2:46:50 Psychology of handling an agent 2:52:00 Killing Rage (book by Eamonn Collins) 2:59:55 More thoughts on Operation Kenova 3:09:15 Was Gerry Adams an informer?
You’re doing some absolutely vital work with these podcasts. The real history of the war. This stuff needs to be exposed so that we never EVER go back to those dark days ever again. Thank you.
Only found this channel last week. Absolutely fascinating. Best channel I've watched about 'The Troubles'. I'm English but I've spent time in NI & The Republic. Got friends in Donegal & Belfast. Very objective channel. Both sides put over really well. I heard the rumour about Martin McGuiness being a 'tout' but I can't see it myself. I always thought he was genuine. Unlike others in the Republican movement. And Loyalist. Great video 👍
Thank you for what you do. It's really important to air this stuff to help ensure things don't go backwards. I hope all the people of Ireland can continue to follow the path of peace and reconciliation long into the future however that unfolds. Best wishes all.
Well so, Adams with a father and a brother whom were sex abusers but the securocrats did not use this as leverage. McGuinness whom allowedl himself to be filmed in possession of a loaded short also allowed himself to be filmed involving the putting together of a car bomb with the actual film beeb developed on mainland UK , are you also trying to tell me that this was not used as leverage by the securecrats, bearing in mind it would get McGuinness 100 years in a Diplok court.
Vauge vauge vauge... I was at hitlers bat mitzvah. "everyone in derry new he was a tout" say that internally... For two decades.. I was told that sands was compromanded for eating a big mac and he was turned. Targeted republican armed the loyalists as counter revolutions You didn't need a ceasefire. The army council went to Sandhurst. My friend your selling books, then your soul. The fenians were a fiasco. The easter rising was terribly planned. The brits fucked it up. And like a German told members of the Ira you know how to die for Ireland but not win. That changed. Who do you fear most a guy who slides down from a chopper and dose a commando role. Or a blanketman?. Every fifty years. A righteous idea....
Hands down my favourite podcast on the troubles . Can you look into when, in the late 90,s 1 RIR Stationed in Tyrone where tasked to aggressively deploy to Drumcree and refused
This handler is a real 'kute Hoor'! He is so operationally aware, ingrained experience, that he says a lot and at the same time he says nothing. Secret to staying alive! "Loose lips sink ships". I'd bet his real name is 'Manie Chester' . . we'll never know. Nonetheless, an interesting listen. Thank you. May your search continue.
The only reason the FRU infiltrated loyalists was they did not want them shooting their agents in the ira . After the uvf shot ruby who was an agent this could not be repeated . They had to know about every target loyalists were about to do and scap was once saved as the FRU advised not to hit him but to go for another target another man with an Italian name .
Tell me what collaborating did McGuinness do with MI5 in the 90s during bombings in London are you telling me MI5 did not ask Mc Guinness to either elliminate or confirm identies which the MI5 became aware of operating in London?
The British Army allowed soldiers to die, the RUC allowed cops to die, all to protect agents, this is an established fact acknowledged by the British Government. Knowing that, do you really think that MI5 would value the lives of English civilians over an agent who not only provides you with high grade intelligence on your enemy, but is also directly involved in forming both IRA and Sinn Fein policy and strategy? The British, wherever they've been in the world, if a quick victory is unlikely, always play the long game.
Hi mate , I honestly didn’t know what to expect when I found your podcast eg would it be more of the usual pseudo republican “ Provowood productikns” ergo total fantasy and propaganda which is the norm however to be fair it’s as diametrically opposite to that as it gets and you should be very proud of yourself. It’s a great channel great guests totally balanced and you ask good questions and you’re building a comprehensive, balanced , fascinating and informative channel which documents the long ( very dirty ) war and preserving a chunk of history that the official channels of both sides seem to want to forget or jade with propaganda and lies makes a mockery of every single person who served on both sides and gave their lives on both sides not to mention all of the civilian deaths. Good for you and the only way we avoid future conflict is to understand the past ones and you are taking it direct from the horses mouth which is great . In relation to the “ LIC ( military anagram for Lizard in Chief kind of a supreme commander of lizards everywhere) who pops up everywhere and spins his “ never ending story “ Some of your viewers have commented that LIC he was SF and I can whole heartedly confirm that the “ Walton Commando ergo uber clerk “ was never , ever , not even remotely close to SF im not even sure if he passed the HUMINT course. The “ fru” was part of the old SIW NOT under the auspices of DSF and as such was over seen by the Intelligence Corps SIW ( specialised intelligence wing ) none of them received special forces pay end of discussion. As to Lizard in Chief ( a small lizard at that with small lizard syndrome) I know this absolute clown and he is both a narcissist, pathological liar , coward , traitor, weasel and a disgrace to the old Templar Barracks / Repton manor and he was a terrible soldier who was throughly disliked before he started his “ crusade” and this is where this becomes hysterical. The only CHIS this idiot ever recruited was himself because he is insecure , an underachiever and desperate for public recognition to be seen as being important which he wasn’t . He was a “ walk in “ to Sinn Féin who would be manipulating him ever since so weak and psychologically needy they have played him like a musical instrument and he is too desperate, narcissistic and egotistical to realise it . You see, he’s never known who he is , he just about scraped into the intelligence corps where most of us had a few language and were by our very nature intelligent but Ian arrived with a chip on his shoulder. They just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. he was a bookworm. He filed intelligence reports into a computer gaining little snippets of knowledge. As for his skill set, don’t make me laugh he’s a librarian. He is too weak emotionally and psychologically and physically to have ever been able to recruit anyone of value he’s not authoritative physically imposing intellectually demanding nothing he couldn’t pass p compony or all arms commando both of which were seen as good beat up courses before going on to the special duties course But he did a job that no one else wanted to do he read he studied he compiled documents he said methodically data into a computer and that was his niche . But don’t take my word for it was laughed out of the Stevens enquiry basically called Walter Mitty . Judge peter sethwick called him not credible and Sir Desmond DeSilva said he didn’t attach any weight to anything he said it was all hearsay. He is an utter disgrace , his conduct is beyond shameful. It was a war , both sides played dirty , and this joker can’t accept he was a low level glorified clerk / collator ( ok Ian “ special collator “ lol ergo Uber clerk . Let’s look at his military record totally incompetent, psychologically compromised , weak , gutless , had zero confirmed kills , handled low level agents and wasn’t trusted by anyone from the get go. Now before the conspiracy theory lot say I’m just trying to muddy the water I’m not. I think that the entire legal process surround enquiries prosecuting soldiers 3040 years onwards prosecuting members of the Provos or the loyalist it’s time for an amnesty for all sides it was war it was a bloody, dirty war , none of us played fair it was big boys rules we all knew it we all signed up for it . The rest of us have moved on with our lives and Ian is still staring this stuff up within enquiries and generally being a nuisance Russian friends would call him auseful idiot. As for McGinness being an agent as much as I despised the man during the war, he’s dead he’s not here to defend himself, so I will and how’s that for a paradox , he was no agent for Vauxhall Cross if her knew anything about the way that real intelligence operates and he doesn’t he would know that in every single conflict Vauxhall Cross maintains something called a bamboo pipe meaning a senior officer from Vauxhall Cross will have a line of communication to a senior officer in the opposition and they are not passing intelligence but it’s a way to ceasefire regulate take a take a break and dialogue had to remain open all the way through the wall and that was the job of Vauxhall Cross that is what hurst us too simple to understand and shows how low-level he was. As for Scappaticci he’s also dead and his judge will be my judge and everyone else’s judge so what he’s done is now between him and Almighty God , so that should be left to the annals of time subject to any court enquiry or inquest it was war and no Hurst doesn’t know who recruited him or the manner of his recruitment because everything inside the fru was compartmentalised . Here’s one for you Ian. MICE ( an analogy we use when recruiting sources looking at their motivation most people have got a mix of one or two) Money , ideology , compromise , ego . You’ve been compromised with your ego because you haven’t made any money out of it. Your ideology is your ego. Your ideology is self-serving. Which is why you never got anywhere in the military. As for this claim he makes we never use compromise ergo blackmail oh yes, we did often .Unlike Roland rat I mean Ian hurst I intend to honour the official secrets act I signed I would never reveal operational details however, here’s a high-level synopsis of what might have happened . A spouse Was known to be having an affair with someone else in the community and unfortunately for them one of our Romeo or golf towers ( that’s a massive geographic region) line of sight to the place they were using for their affair and we set up camp at one of the Romeo or golf Towers which already had some sophisticated recording equipment probably some of the best in the world we brought, which was the best in the world let’s just say some operators trained in CME ( covert means of entry ) might of accidentally wired the place for sound As well as put a few little cameras in then we might have accidentally recorded everything they were up to . Ouch . Just say those tapes were used as the catalyst to that individuals recruitment. And that’s one of several cases. Oh Ian just to complete your shame talk about going native calling the provos the “ Ra” cringeworthy but not as cringeworthy as referring to “ The Regiment or Hereford “ as 22 SAS. Total cringe you honestly don’t know who you are do you ? Karmas a bitch Ian you will live in shame both now and in eternity
@@irishboer7124 should have been more specific at a specific incident immediately after a Brit para was shot, apparently his comrade claimed Mr. A was seen in immediate are at time of action, then again we only have the lieing Brit paras to go by.
He’s 100 % wrong regarding scaps exit from the Ra. He was gone in 91, and certainly not in 94 or 95. Wasn’t anywhere near the martingale op, whuich derek survived btw
The Dark is quoted in 'Voices from the Grave' saying it was Ivor Bell who insisted that Adams was released from LK for the Cheney Walk talks, 'no fucking ceasefire unless Gerry is released', so the Provos used it as a bargaining chip to see how far they could push the British, and, to their astonishment, Willie Whitelaw agreed to it.
He was never in the Force Research Unit, he having been unsuccessful on the FRU course, which was never detrimental to a career, just simply, not what was your suitability to the ability required,,,he was posted toi 12 company which was the administrative element of the FRU, he was privileged, capable enough to be accepted into an inner sanctum of then high secrecy requiring loyalty and discretion. Clearly his bitterness of assumed failur as a potential handler, led him to extract this betrayal. Sadly, he had a bright future within the intelligence Corps, bright, articulate, competent, and to my mind, officer material. So sad he took the wrong path and now bents his frustations
He did pass the course, and was a 'handler' in St Angelo (West Det). That said, they didn't have any notable sources, mostly 'eyes and ears' involved in smuggling. The less-capable handlers were sent to West Det. If he had failed the course he would have been RTUd because he was still in the Cavalry. Moreover, 12 Coy was a normal Int Corps unit at that time and never had a FRU element in it, that was after the move to JSG and long after Hurst had left. He also would never have had any real future in the Int Corps because he wasn't bright enough. Listen to him trying to explain about information/intelligence at the start of the interview, it's laughable!
I don't really care whether this individual even told half the truth. He was part of a Colonial English War in an annexed part of a foreign Country. The Six Counties Volunteers should of learned something from Michael Collins and his twelve apostles. The Irish People were certainly kept in the dark, as were the English general Public . A Shameful time once again of English History in Ireland.
@@Judgementday-qp1ol just saying, you are probably right but used to piss me off sometimes when traveling especially upper class southerners telling me with partitionist mindset that I'm not Irish... Derry and Armagh are two of the most ancient cities in Ireland
@jackietreehorn5561 Doire agus Ard Mhaca go deimhin. Don't worry, there are a large amount of People who will never forget or leave behind our Brothers and Sisters in Ulaidh.
You had me up until your opening salvo, "Martin McGuinness"was a secret agent".... If you knew Martin, this is the last thing you would ever have though, he had so much respect from hard-line republicans....who were not easily influenced\swayed and had regular contact with him....Martin's movements\knowledge was known to everybody (so for him to be able pass details to handlers is just unbelievably absurd) - a real man of Ireland - just soling his good name.....you never got him....that's your gripe.
Keep up the great work this will be some archive in years to come. .. Make sure YOU own ALL of this content im sure u do but just a heads up. Riviting stuff. 👊
The suggestion the brought it in to land by way of lieing clearly suggest the leadership whom were doing the lieing were already compromised, if not why would they lie why would they have to bring it into land.
Audio quality on Ian’s end very poor, choppy. Probably mic but wonder is it connection too? Hate to be that guy but the content is great and deserves pro level audio.
This guy has been waffling on for years, he never backs up anything he says and everything he says for the most part is innuendo , hearsay or slanderous gossip designed to undermine certain Republican leaders , there’s a saying in Derry “ whatever you say , say nothing “, Ingraham certainly pushing the envelope on that one 😂
3rd time listening to this and the more I hear this man his well on the right path but 1995 when scap stepped down no way sure they had Donaldson etc no I've listened to a very senior Republican in the south and what he has to say is shocking about who the most senior agent really was never had to go on the run stayed at home when our contact couldn't go my near his home
All due respect to Mr. Hurst, describing the MRF as an "undisciplined" unit, and leaving it at that (despite the hosts best efforts), is an understatement of wild proportions. MRF (which ran between 1971-72) was succeeded first by the Special Reconnaissance Unit (also known as 14 Intelligence Company), and then by the Force Research Unit (FRU), of which Mr. Hurst was a member. Despite this short reign, MRF maintains its infamous reputation five decades on primarily because they became known as the most aggressive, and least accountable, of all British military units deployed to the North, up to and including SAS (for the record, SAS are by far the more lethal unit, but they at least lay claim to an ethos of precision enemy targeting, whereas the MRF made no such pretense, see below). During a televised 1990's BBC investigation, several former MRF (their face and voice disguised), described a typical offensive action as one in which a plain clothed MRF unit, armed with weapons taken off PIRA, would pile into a beat up sedan and go on covert 'patrols' with a mind toward counducting drive-by murders of any male they remotely suspected of having PIRA connections. In fact, due to the manner by which these targets of opportunity were selected (naked eye, from a moving car, sometimes at night), a mere resemblance to known PIRA volunteers was all too often enough to get an otherwise innocent person shot and/or killed. Even more reprehensible, according to these same former members, their rolling units would open fire from a rear passenger window, in the direction of a wholly unidentified group of people congregating near a known, or perceived, PIRA checkpoint (usually in or around Derry), then speed away under cover of darkness, never certain whom, or how many, they killed (an operation I'm sure the SAS would oppose out of lethal inefficiency, if nothing else). Whilst detailing his participation in just such an operation to a BBC Insight program titled 'Licensed To Kill' (currently available on the TH-cam channel, A Troubled Land), one former member described the MRF mandate with chilling straightforwardness: "We were there to terrorize the terrorists."
I think you need to get your facts straight. MRF became 14 Int & Sy Unit in the late 70s. They then became JCU(NI) in the early 80s, before morphing into the SRR and amalgamating into DSF at the end of OP BANNER. FRU became JSG(NI) in 1989, who then became DHU when they moved back to the mainland after OP BANNER. The 2 units always were, and are, completely different organisations, having different training, trade-craft and basic job descriptions.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Was Martin McGuinness an informant??
13:00 JOINING THE FORCE RESEARCH UNIT
43:15 Did FRU operate both sides of the border?
48:00 Was Ian ever shot at ?
5:00 Work as an FRU handler
57:30 Thoughts on Operation Kenova
1:28:40 HOW handlers met w/ informants/agents
1:39:20 Story about IRA man who drove into the FRU offices
1:41:10 Did the IRA ever have info on IAN ?? (Ian potentially has his life saved by an IRA man’s wife)
1:46:30 Any FRU killed ?
1:49:20 HOW DID FRU RECRUIT AGENTS/INFORMERS ?
2:12:05 HOW WAS SCAP (STAKEKNIFE) RECRUITED ?? WAS HE A “WALK-IN”?? & More thoughts on Operation Kenova
2:32:55 When agents are suspected by IRA
2:36:40 ’Spy-masters dilemmas” (Frank Hegarty’s case)
2:46:50 Psychology of handling an agent
2:52:00 Killing Rage (book by Eamonn Collins)
2:59:55 More thoughts on Operation Kenova
3:09:15 Was Gerry Adams an informer?
Great work my friend Good luck from Glasgow
You’re doing some absolutely vital work with these podcasts. The real history of the war. This stuff needs to be exposed so that we never EVER go back to those dark days ever again. Thank you.
Only found this channel last week. Absolutely fascinating. Best channel I've watched about 'The Troubles'.
I'm English but I've spent time in NI & The Republic. Got friends in Donegal & Belfast.
Very objective channel. Both sides put over really well.
I heard the rumour about Martin McGuiness being a 'tout' but I can't see it myself. I always thought he was genuine. Unlike others in the Republican movement. And Loyalist. Great video 👍
Thank you for what you do. It's really important to air this stuff to help ensure things don't go backwards. I hope all the people of Ireland can continue to follow the path of peace and reconciliation long into the future however that unfolds. Best wishes all.
Wow, you are getting some excellent guests on your podcasts.
Well so, Adams with a father and a brother whom were sex abusers but the securocrats did not use this as leverage. McGuinness whom allowedl himself to be filmed in possession of a loaded short also allowed himself to be filmed involving the putting together of a car bomb with the actual film beeb developed on mainland UK , are you also trying to tell me that this was not used as leverage by the securecrats, bearing in mind it would get McGuinness 100 years in a Diplok court.
But the reality was, they were afraid if they took McGuiness out. He would have been replaced by someone worse
If I was a gambling man my money would be on the (I was never in the Ra)guy 💯 Godbless Martin McGuiness,great podcast lads👍
@@paddymacmurphy8112 This is the British tradition tarnish our future Irish legends.
RIP Martin MC Guinness 🇮🇪
Vauge vauge vauge... I was at hitlers bat mitzvah. "everyone in derry new he was a tout" say
that internally... For two decades.. I was told that sands was compromanded for eating a big mac and he was turned. Targeted republican armed the loyalists as counter revolutions
You didn't need a ceasefire. The army council went to Sandhurst. My friend your selling books, then your soul. The fenians were a fiasco. The easter rising was terribly planned. The brits fucked it up.
And like a German told members of the Ira you know how to die for Ireland but not win. That changed. Who do you fear most a guy who slides down from a chopper and dose a commando role. Or a blanketman?. Every fifty years. A righteous idea....
@@mo6278Irish legend 😂😂😂
Hands down my favourite podcast on the troubles .
Can you look into when, in the late 90,s 1 RIR Stationed in Tyrone where tasked to aggressively deploy to Drumcree and refused
This handler is a real 'kute Hoor'! He is so operationally aware, ingrained experience, that he says a lot and at the same time he says nothing. Secret to staying alive! "Loose lips sink ships". I'd bet his real name is 'Manie Chester' . . we'll never know. Nonetheless, an interesting listen. Thank you. May your search continue.
Cute hure ya mean .
Yes he's very knowledgeable
Both have it wrong. “Cute hoor” is correct way of writing it, at least in Kerry
He's from Preston, he said so in the interview
@@cannibalholocaust3015far from cute, in another way, last chompers in his gub are fighting with each other
Im an Aussie so dont care about the conflict AT ALL... But love espionage and related content...
Love this handler, class act❤
The only reason the FRU infiltrated loyalists was they did not want them shooting their agents in the ira . After the uvf shot ruby who was an agent this could not be repeated . They had to know about every target loyalists were about to do and scap was once saved as the FRU advised not to hit him but to go for another target another man with an Italian name .
Brilliant video.. Ex-Head of SB, Ray White would be a great insight.
Mr White I'm sure would see through chummy.
The whole principle of the cell was totally undermined by passing volenteers through centralised anti interrogation, whose idea was this ?
Some units wouldn't have him about the place. They smelt a rat. Long before he was outed.
@@dowdallerno1 yes so I have been given to understand
Tell me what collaborating did McGuinness do with MI5 in the 90s during bombings in London are you telling me MI5 did not ask Mc Guinness to either elliminate or confirm identies which the MI5 became aware of operating in London?
Your assuming the government give a fuck about the people my friend.
Keep fishing the men lol
The British Army allowed soldiers to die, the RUC allowed cops to die, all to protect agents, this is an established fact acknowledged by the British Government. Knowing that, do you really think that MI5 would value the lives of English civilians over an agent who not only provides you with high grade intelligence on your enemy, but is also directly involved in forming both IRA and Sinn Fein policy and strategy? The British, wherever they've been in the world, if a quick victory is unlikely, always play the long game.
Hi mate , I honestly didn’t know what to expect when I found your podcast eg would it be more of the usual pseudo republican “ Provowood productikns” ergo total fantasy and propaganda which is the norm however to be fair it’s as diametrically opposite to that as it gets and you should be very proud of yourself. It’s a great channel great guests totally balanced and you ask good questions and you’re building a comprehensive, balanced , fascinating and informative channel which documents the long ( very dirty ) war and preserving a chunk of history that the official channels of both sides seem to want to forget or jade with propaganda and lies makes a mockery of every single person who served on both sides and gave their lives on both sides not to mention all of the civilian deaths. Good for you and the only way we avoid future conflict is to understand the past ones and you are taking it direct from the horses mouth which is great .
In relation to the “ LIC ( military anagram for Lizard in Chief kind of a supreme commander of lizards everywhere) who pops up everywhere and spins his “ never ending story “
Some of your viewers have commented that LIC he was SF and I can whole heartedly confirm that the “ Walton Commando ergo uber clerk “ was never , ever , not even remotely close to SF im not even sure if he passed the HUMINT course. The “ fru” was part of the old SIW NOT under the auspices of DSF and as such was over seen by the Intelligence Corps SIW ( specialised intelligence wing ) none of them received special forces pay end of discussion.
As to Lizard in Chief ( a small lizard at that with small lizard syndrome) I know this absolute clown and he is both a narcissist, pathological liar , coward , traitor, weasel and a disgrace to the old Templar Barracks / Repton manor and he was a terrible soldier who was throughly disliked before he started his “ crusade” and this is where this becomes hysterical. The only CHIS this idiot ever recruited was himself because he is insecure , an underachiever and desperate for public recognition to be seen as being important which he wasn’t . He was a “ walk in “ to Sinn Féin who would be manipulating him ever since so weak and psychologically needy they have played him like a musical instrument and he is too desperate, narcissistic and egotistical to realise it .
You see, he’s never known who he is , he just about scraped into the intelligence corps where most of us had a few language and were by our very nature intelligent but Ian arrived with a chip on his shoulder. They just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. he was a bookworm. He filed intelligence reports into a computer gaining little snippets of knowledge. As for his skill set, don’t make me laugh he’s a librarian. He is too weak emotionally and psychologically and physically to have ever been able to recruit anyone of value he’s not authoritative physically imposing intellectually demanding nothing he couldn’t pass p compony or all arms commando both of which were seen as good beat up courses before going on to the special duties course
But he did a job that no one else wanted to do he read he studied he compiled documents he said methodically data into a computer and that was his niche . But don’t take my word for it was laughed out of the Stevens enquiry basically called Walter Mitty . Judge peter sethwick called him not credible and Sir Desmond DeSilva said he didn’t attach any weight to anything he said it was all hearsay.
He is an utter disgrace , his conduct is beyond shameful. It was a war , both sides played dirty , and this joker can’t accept he was a low level glorified clerk / collator ( ok Ian “ special collator “ lol ergo Uber clerk .
Let’s look at his military record
totally incompetent, psychologically compromised , weak , gutless , had zero confirmed kills , handled low level agents and wasn’t trusted by anyone from the get go.
Now before the conspiracy theory lot say I’m just trying to muddy the water I’m not. I think that the entire legal process surround enquiries prosecuting soldiers 3040 years onwards prosecuting members of the Provos or the loyalist it’s time for an amnesty for all sides it was war it was a bloody, dirty war , none of us played fair it was big boys rules we all knew it we all signed up for it . The rest of us have moved on with our lives and Ian is still staring this stuff up within enquiries and generally being a nuisance Russian friends would call him auseful idiot.
As for McGinness being an agent as much as I despised the man during the war, he’s dead he’s not here to defend himself, so I will and how’s that for a paradox , he was no agent for Vauxhall Cross if her knew anything about the way that real intelligence operates and he doesn’t he would know that in every single conflict Vauxhall Cross maintains something called a bamboo pipe meaning a senior officer from Vauxhall Cross will have a line of communication to a senior officer in the opposition and they are not passing intelligence but it’s a way to ceasefire regulate take a take a break and dialogue had to remain open all the way through the wall and that was the job of Vauxhall Cross that is what hurst us too simple to understand and shows how low-level he was.
As for Scappaticci he’s also dead and his judge will be my judge and everyone else’s judge so what he’s done is now between him and Almighty God , so that should be left to the annals of time subject to any court enquiry or inquest it was war and no Hurst doesn’t know who recruited him or the manner of his recruitment because everything inside the fru was compartmentalised .
Here’s one for you Ian. MICE ( an analogy we use when recruiting sources looking at their motivation most people have got a mix of one or two)
Money , ideology , compromise , ego . You’ve been compromised with your ego because you haven’t made any money out of it. Your ideology is your ego. Your ideology is self-serving. Which is why you never got anywhere in the military.
As for this claim he makes we never use compromise ergo blackmail oh yes, we did often .Unlike Roland rat I mean Ian hurst I intend to honour the official secrets act I signed I would never reveal operational details however, here’s a high-level synopsis of what might have happened . A spouse Was known to be having an affair with someone else in the community and unfortunately for them one of our Romeo or golf towers ( that’s a massive geographic region) line of sight to the place they were using for their affair and we set up camp at one of the Romeo or golf Towers which already had some sophisticated recording equipment probably some of the best in the world we brought, which was the best in the world let’s just say some operators trained in CME ( covert means of entry ) might of accidentally wired the place for sound As well as put a few little cameras in then we might have accidentally recorded everything they were up to . Ouch . Just say those tapes were used as the catalyst to that individuals recruitment. And that’s one of several cases.
Oh Ian just to complete your shame talk about going native calling the provos the “ Ra” cringeworthy but not as cringeworthy as referring to “ The Regiment or Hereford “ as 22 SAS. Total cringe you honestly don’t know who you are do you ?
Karmas a bitch Ian you will live in shame both now and in eternity
Holy shit mate, go easy on your keyboard keys mucker...send your first draft of your novel to a publisher
Troll .. I don't think he claimed to know scaps story or other stories but he's provided insight
How about interviewing the former para and sas man whom in the 70s was about to lift Adams but was instructed not to.
Adams was lifted many times, you didn't need to be "paras" or "sas" to do it .
@@irishboer7124no he wasn’t , neither was McGuinness and others
@@irishboer7124 should have been more specific at a specific incident immediately after a Brit para was shot, apparently his comrade claimed Mr. A was seen in immediate are at time of action, then again we only have the lieing Brit paras to go by.
@@NICHOLASBYRNE3931"Lying Paras?" Coming from you? A Republican? Quis Separabit
Would you know his name ??
He’s 100 % wrong regarding scaps exit from the Ra. He was gone in 91, and certainly not in 94 or 95. Wasn’t anywhere near the martingale op, whuich derek survived btw
Never debriefed a source in his life, pure waffle,
Jerry Adams wasn't a agent 100% well 99.9% if only for why how he got released for Cheney walk talks id be 1000%
The Dark is quoted in 'Voices from the Grave' saying it was Ivor Bell who insisted that Adams was released from LK for the Cheney Walk talks, 'no fucking ceasefire unless Gerry is released', so the Provos used it as a bargaining chip to see how far they could push the British, and, to their astonishment, Willie Whitelaw agreed to it.
Fascinating
He was never in the Force Research Unit, he having been unsuccessful on the FRU course, which was never detrimental to a career, just simply, not what was your suitability to the ability required,,,he was posted toi 12 company which was the administrative element of the FRU, he was privileged, capable enough to be accepted into an inner sanctum of then high secrecy requiring loyalty and discretion. Clearly his bitterness of assumed failur as a potential handler, led him to extract this betrayal. Sadly, he had a bright future within the intelligence Corps, bright, articulate, competent, and to my mind, officer material. So sad he took the wrong path and now bents his frustations
He did pass the course, and was a 'handler' in St Angelo (West Det). That said, they didn't have any notable sources, mostly 'eyes and ears' involved in smuggling. The less-capable handlers were sent to West Det. If he had failed the course he would have been RTUd because he was still in the Cavalry. Moreover, 12 Coy was a normal Int Corps unit at that time and never had a FRU element in it, that was after the move to JSG and long after Hurst had left. He also would never have had any real future in the Int Corps because he wasn't bright enough. Listen to him trying to explain about information/intelligence at the start of the interview, it's laughable!
The familiar face will soon be outed.
Brilliant watch, highly recommend you give it a view!! I wonder if stakeknife is dead or not? just saying...
He's tatey bread
The course he was considered not suitable for,, he speaks volumes why not
Member of MRF stated on camera he carried out bombings , the question is where.
Magurks Kelly's bars are a couple
Those 2 bars wer bombed in the 70s yeah your rite not funny at all😢
Probably the Miami showcase band.
Dream on!
@@parkgate-ub1ey Misunderstood, not referring to person on interview his predecessprs whom he said were undiciplined
This Pratt failed the handlers course, so all bitter, disloyal, limited access to the truth, but well spoken nonsense and bitterness
Stan ogdin , had 3 birds fly ...
Becareful lads.
True
Johnny mad dog Adair
Johnny is on loads..rather listen 2 Jackie Mcdonald hear his story
I’m divided
That would be Gordon Kerr, good man, he unlike Ian Hurst
I don't really care whether this individual even told half the truth.
He was part of a Colonial English War in an annexed part of a foreign Country.
The Six Counties Volunteers should of learned something from Michael Collins and his twelve apostles.
The Irish People were certainly kept in the dark, as were the English general Public .
A Shameful time once again of English History in Ireland.
Never quite happened that way 🤣
Collins signed the treaty and gave up the north
@jackietreehorn5561 It was sign or a continuation of War that we couldn't win.
Not very Democratic, was it??
@@Judgementday-qp1ol just saying, you are probably right but used to piss me off sometimes when traveling especially upper class southerners telling me with partitionist mindset that I'm not Irish... Derry and Armagh are two of the most ancient cities in Ireland
@jackietreehorn5561 Doire agus Ard Mhaca go deimhin.
Don't worry, there are a large amount of People who will never forget or leave behind our Brothers and Sisters in Ulaidh.
I’m sure he monitored
You had me up until your opening salvo, "Martin McGuinness"was a secret agent".... If you knew Martin, this is the last thing you would ever have though, he had so much respect from hard-line republicans....who were not easily influenced\swayed and had regular contact with him....Martin's movements\knowledge was known to everybody (so for him to be able pass details to handlers is just unbelievably absurd) - a real man of Ireland - just soling his good name.....you never got him....that's your gripe.
M. Guinness was not an agent
@williem1710 I would not believe he was wrong but who knows
@williem1710ther is a documentary released on BBC recently about that
@@CarrigansGuitarClub recruited in 1973 in sunningdale. But I know you won’t believe that
What a great podcast love these long ones . The Ra
Get Eamon mc cann on from Derry
Keep up the great work this will be some archive in years to come. .. Make sure YOU own ALL of this content im sure u do but just a heads up.
Riviting stuff. 👊
The suggestion the brought it in to land by way of lieing clearly suggest the leadership whom were doing the lieing were already compromised, if not why would they lie why would they have to bring it into land.
No shortage of leaders lieing...like weapons of mass destruction
Audio quality on Ian’s end very poor, choppy. Probably mic but wonder is it connection too? Hate to be that guy but the content is great and deserves pro level audio.
Stanly Ogden you gotta laugh😂 liked to sup a pint, cleaned windows married to Hilda
He, was never a handler,
I understand from the Smithwick report, and I quote, " I simply did not find Mr Hurst to be a credible witness."
Great stuff fair play John
This guy has been waffling on for years, he never backs up anything he says and everything he says for the most part is innuendo , hearsay or slanderous gossip designed to undermine certain Republican leaders , there’s a saying in Derry “ whatever you say , say nothing “, Ingraham certainly pushing the envelope on that one 😂
A look into fulton would be great . Love the podcast
Was Fulton not a Walter Mitty
@@gerardhenry5501 not if you ask anyone who new the bollix in his day mucker . Nasty pasty to say the least
@@melissabyrne8749 are you talking about Gary Fulton lvf or the ra tout
@@gerardhenry5501 Peter keelley aka Kevin fulton mucker.
@@gerardhenry5501 for some reason my last msg was deleted even though this chap has been named in the podcast lol yeh the RA one mucker
This interview is everywhere man.
Brigadier James Gordon Kerr, a Scot he was in charge of 14th Intel got to love these Scottish lads❤
Sound quality is shite.
Sounds alright to me
I will admit, he’s talking truth and sense,,
He was not involved in the resseltment
He says we, he just read the paperwork
3rd time listening to this and the more I hear this man his well on the right path but 1995 when scap stepped down no way sure they had Donaldson etc no I've listened to a very senior Republican in the south and what he has to say is shocking about who the most senior agent really was never had to go on the run stayed at home when our contact couldn't go my near his home
Donal macybtire? Jason Marriner?
Now he is talking some sense,
you are being told a british pont of view,
He's not very credible, he set up his own general posing as a journalist and put on TH-cam exposing scap
A snivelling little man behind a desk blowing his own trumpet.
um ,er , um ,er stutter um er ,um er stutter , would of been a good interview but i switched of after 5 min , ur
You could bo better in a three hour interview could you? You mug.
All due respect to Mr. Hurst, describing the MRF as an "undisciplined" unit, and leaving it at that (despite the hosts best efforts), is an understatement of wild proportions.
MRF (which ran between 1971-72) was succeeded first by the Special Reconnaissance Unit (also known as 14 Intelligence Company), and then by the Force Research Unit (FRU), of which Mr. Hurst was a member.
Despite this short reign, MRF maintains its infamous reputation five decades on primarily because they became known as the most aggressive, and least accountable, of all British military units deployed to the North, up to and including SAS (for the record, SAS are by far the more lethal unit, but they at least lay claim to an ethos of precision enemy targeting, whereas the MRF made no such pretense, see below).
During a televised 1990's BBC investigation, several former MRF (their face and voice disguised), described a typical offensive action as one in which a plain clothed MRF unit, armed with weapons taken off PIRA, would pile into a beat up sedan and go on covert 'patrols' with a mind toward counducting drive-by murders of any male they remotely suspected of having PIRA connections. In fact, due to the manner by which these targets of opportunity were selected (naked eye, from a moving car, sometimes at night), a mere resemblance to known PIRA volunteers was all too often enough to get an otherwise innocent person shot and/or killed.
Even more reprehensible, according to these same former members, their rolling units would open fire from a rear passenger window, in the direction of a wholly unidentified group of people congregating near a known, or perceived, PIRA checkpoint (usually in or around Derry), then speed away under cover of darkness, never certain whom, or how many, they killed (an operation I'm sure the SAS would oppose out of lethal inefficiency, if nothing else).
Whilst detailing his participation in just such an operation to a BBC Insight program titled 'Licensed To Kill' (currently available on the TH-cam channel, A Troubled Land), one former member described the MRF mandate with chilling straightforwardness: "We were there to terrorize the terrorists."
@FRM101 The North? Didn’t know the FRU were stationed in Donegal.
He recorded mike Jackson his former general posing as a journalist and was a dirty action even to me as a nationaliist...
I think you need to get your facts straight. MRF became 14 Int & Sy Unit in the late 70s. They then became JCU(NI) in the early 80s, before morphing into the SRR and amalgamating into DSF at the end of OP BANNER. FRU became JSG(NI) in 1989, who then became DHU when they moved back to the mainland after OP BANNER. The 2 units always were, and are, completely different organisations, having different training, trade-craft and basic job descriptions.