Elac bs41vsSony SSCS5vsPioneer BS22LRvsPioneer SPC22

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  • @stevec.1319
    @stevec.1319 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Really enjoy your reviews. I wish you and your show, good fortune

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for the kind words! 🙏

  • @link2012_KSH
    @link2012_KSH 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This review is much more practical than other reviews on youtube.

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much for the kind words!

  • @aaronjohnson2999
    @aaronjohnson2999 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you so much for this review! I just picked up the Sonys thanks to Cheapaudioman and already had the Pioneer so seeing this review was exactly what I was looking for. Going to have to put my Pioneers out front and see if I can tell what you mean by a better soundstage

  • @joerod4998
    @joerod4998 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One of the best reviews I like the laid back approach

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So glad you enjoyed it!
      I really focused on making the most of the viewers time while also keeping it relaxed.

  • @yvesst-arnaud6562
    @yvesst-arnaud6562 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like your style very straightforward, and i appreciate the fact you combine 2 pioneer sp-c22 (center chanel) in stereo. Very interesting.

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you for the compliment!
      After hearing the bs22lr the temptation was unavoidable to hear a MTM version.
      It does not disappoint, so long as you are not requiring much bass under 70hz.
      The midrange magic, combined with the MTM style configuration, combined with an external subwoofer and crossed over at the appropriate frequency of 80hz, makes for a very fun movie and music listening experience.
      That was my Andrew Jones impersonation. 😬

  • @mikeday62
    @mikeday62 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I watch a decent amount of speaker and amplifier reviews. Your style and presentation is among the most enjoyable and interesting to listen to. So happy to hear someone still talking about the pioneer BS-22 in 2022. The sound is so satisfying I bought two pair. Trying out the pioneer center channel speakers (set up vertically) sounds interesting.
    I didn't expect the elac 41 would sound as good, partly because amazon kept dropping the price after christmas down to $68/pair. But I've heard several reviewers complimenting them recently. Really enjoying your tear-down and internal view videos. And the cats were very creative. 😹

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you for the very kind words. I put alot of effort into this video as it was important to me that I get it right.
      Hearing from people like you motivates me and I am thankful for that.
      Keep an eye out for my next speaker video, it will be a center channel comparison to help people decide which setup is ultimately best for home theater.

  • @robertbrown1876
    @robertbrown1876 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey bro just found you on here love the review I believe you done really well with describing these as good as they all are. Thanks for doing the video, looking forward for you doing more...

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much!
      I am working on a center channel comparison between the Sony, the ELAC, a similiar priced Polk the Pioneer spc22, and as a more expensive bonus speaker the Elac reference center channel!
      Should prove to be some valuable information to be found!

  • @stonefree1911
    @stonefree1911 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good reviews. I bought a pair of the ELACs for a bedroom system and they are great (needs a sub..). Cool pro tip...remove the silly tweeter grill for better mid/high end. Big difference.

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! Agreed on the grills. I pull of the cloth ones too for movie night!

    • @SK-qu4wo
      @SK-qu4wo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Does removing the tweeter grill really make that much of a difference in mid/high end? How do I remove them without damaging the tweeter or cabinet?

    • @stonefree1911
      @stonefree1911 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SK-qu4wo It certainly makes a difference to many that do it, including me. Here is a vid:
      th-cam.com/video/SMzT85dS0jM/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=TonicofSonic

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SK-qu4wo I think it does make a difference.
      ELAC must agree because they revised the design for the more expensive reference series.
      I made a video showing how to remove it. Very easy they are held in by two dabs of silicone.

    • @SK-qu4wo
      @SK-qu4wo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TonicofSonic
      Yeah I watched the video. Thanks for the update.

  • @joshuawang5859
    @joshuawang5859 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great review! Neumi BS5 may be another good choice

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the compliment!
      I will look forward to hearing those speakers!

  • @donalddeorio2237
    @donalddeorio2237 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I use a pair of the Sony's for my desktop system. Powered by a Fossi audio amp and an Yiama DAC headphone amp. The sound is above average and better than most powered desktop speakers.

  • @RennieAsh
    @RennieAsh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love the stiff tail wag from cats

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      These cats are great with tons of personality. The black one I named Smokey because he looks like a puff of diesel smoke rolling down the road, the Brownish one is the neighbors cat named autumn, and the grey one I named Greyson, he is scary intelligent and has an adopted daughter named Hopper.
      We have many homeless cats in the neighborhood, so I feed them and give them water everyday. I have managed to rescue three so far, while greyson and hopper are finally ready for a permanent home now too!

  • @jimdotson5132
    @jimdotson5132 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am enjoying the Sony 590 AVR, sscs5's and sscs8. You were so right and thank you! Last Sunday, I found a pristine pair of BS 22's from 2014 for $40. They look and sound brand new. I set them up next to the Sony's (both on the same stands... only had 2 stands). I have been comparing as time allowed to see if I should keep the Sony's. My LR is small, so one pair at a time is all I need. I think the Sony's sound better to me so far (good high/mid and adequate bass - the movie theatre). I will definitely keep the BS 22's which also sound excellent just not as defined. Perhaps, I will someday have another room for them or just feel like swapping in the LR occasionally.
    Do you have a recommendation on a low cost, quality, over ear, comfortable wireless headphone with aptx? Not asking much huh. Also, be nice if it has replaceable ear pads (may need to find used), Maybe you could do a video on this topic. I think it might appeal to a number of folks. Many of use no longer live where we can "stretch" our audio gear as we did in the past. I certainly partook of this joy in my younger days. Thanks again. Your videos are refreshing, informative and just fun!
    Jim

  • @tatsumaru12345
    @tatsumaru12345 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just wish the pioneers were still being made!!
    I bought 3 bs22s, and 2 fs52s like 3 years ago used. Not even 200$. But I've been trying to find a 3rd fs52 floor stander for my center. Not easy. Planning on a 8 hour round trip this coming weekend to pick 2 fs52s up for 90$.
    'yeah yeah, the sp22 is enough for most. I'm a stickler for LCR having the same sound. Its a disease I know

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That does sound like a disease. Maybe start a gofundme to finance the treatment. Free speakers!
      I understand wanting to use the fs52. The value in those is off the charts when you are paying as little as 90$.
      The kind of thing you buy just to put in storage. Honestly I have no idea how well the spc22 would even match up with the fs52. Those things are beasts and the spc22 probably cannot play as loud without distortion of some kind becoming an issue. Gonna have to keep an eye out for a used set of those once I find the space.

  • @RobertSpiller
    @RobertSpiller ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Question...with these speakers, which amp or receiver would you recommend? I'm researching on creating my first hifi system?

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  ปีที่แล้ว

      For a simple compact 2 channel set up try the AIYIMA a07.
      Sony, pioneer, onkyo, and yamaha all make great affordable AV recievers for surround sound setups.
      And never pay full price for speakers, wait until they go on sale unless you are in a hurry.

    • @RobertSpiller
      @RobertSpiller ปีที่แล้ว

      What will I use for a dac? Does the Aiyima a07 have a dac inside? For speakers...for my budget, I'm looking at the Neumi

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RobertSpiller No dac inside the a07.
      Not huge on dacs myself but if you need one consider buying one that matches the style and size of your amp for stacking and appearance purposes, I know there are several good options that match the a07 from aiyima and fosi.
      Also consider an amp with a built in dac.
      Aiyima also has some more expensive options with dacs already built in, also most 2ch av style recievers would have at least 1 digital input.
      I personally like to shoot for an all in one setup when it comes to dacs which is why I use an av receiver for all my digital needs.
      One power cord, one power button to push and well optimized, hard to beat that kind of convenience.
      I do see the fun side of pairing units, but these things take time and consideration. More than most people expect going into it.

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RobertSpiller If you end up needing tone controls on the amp itself, consider the fosi tb10a tpa3116 mini amplifier as an alternative to the AIYIMA.
      I like that unit alot.

  • @SK-qu4wo
    @SK-qu4wo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is the Elac-BS41 hard to push. I plan to pair them with an old 75 watt Sony STR-AV230 receiver.

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not at all. Very average. Some of these speakers are excessively sensitive, the ELAC are spot on.

    • @SK-qu4wo
      @SK-qu4wo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TonicofSonic
      So my 75 watt Sony STR-AV230 should be able to push these Elac speakers? I just ordered a pair off Amazon since they are on sale again.

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SK-qu4wo Oh yes it will push them.

    • @SK-qu4wo
      @SK-qu4wo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TonicofSonic
      Thanks man! You're the only youtube audio guy who actually took the time to answer this question that I've been asking for months on other channels.

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SK-qu4woThat is frustrating, I know Cheapaudiospam 😅 runs a pay to play channel these days. He used to be the king but some of his recent content is just beyond painful to watch.

  • @chuckschillingvideos
    @chuckschillingvideos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have to admit it. That catfight made me laugh my butt off.

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wish I had caught a few other ones camera that had me grabbing my chest. These cats put on a good show.

  • @ryankliever3228
    @ryankliever3228 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice review.

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  ปีที่แล้ว

      I must have cought the algorithm because I keep getting nice comments like this lately. Unfortunately I only find time to make videos in the winter and so far this winter I have been struggling health wise. Hope things get better so I can make more videos like this. 👍👍

  • @NeilBlanchard
    @NeilBlanchard 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It looks like the Elac BS41 has air core coils on the woofer and the tweeter - which is great. That's where its cleaner bass comes from. It also looks like it really needs a stiffening brace between the drivers - I'll bet you that is where the veiling on the upper midrange is coming from. Gluing on a rib to the back of the baffle to strengthen the thinnest part, would do wonders for this speaker. That and replacing the sandcast wire wound resistor with a non-inductive resistor, and I would guess it would go into another league.

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is such a special speaker in the world of affordable audio. Simple design, good drivers, decent box, this speaker will be the "go to" speaker for DIY upgrades for many years to come.

    • @NeilBlanchard
      @NeilBlanchard 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TonicofSonic Can you confirm that the larger inductor coil in the crossover is wound on a plastic core, as it appears to be? Or is it metal?

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@NeilBlanchardSure, I will pull it out and take a peek when a get a chance.
      I should be able to get that done sometime in the next day or two. 👍

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Confirmed it is wound on plastic.

    • @NeilBlanchard
      @NeilBlanchard 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TonicofSonic Nice! Air core inductors on a speaker this inexpensive is an excellent thing!

  • @michaelllewellyn525
    @michaelllewellyn525 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    TKS, again, enjoyed listening and learning from you sharing things about these various speakers. I'm still chasing my tail and have not nailed down what I am going to do....thought I had, by replacing my present Klipsch R- 52C with an ELAC Debut 2.0 C5.2, at $219 but wheels spinning different directions and am seeking and would appreciate you knowledgeable input as I continue to consider which way to go! My system is a 5.1.2, the Fronts are old used Infinity Primus P363s, one change that might be for the better, even if I kept the present Center, is replace the fronts, maybe with a couple of Bookshelf speakers that would work harmoniously with the Center - but the Klipsch Frquency R. is like 89-XXXX? One big reason I was/am interested in one like the ELAC is because the reviewers appear to emphasize that the Dialogue clearly stands out from everything else . . . one idea I wanted to hear what u think about: 3 - ELAC CS41s - one being used as a Center? I'm 83 and that explains why me ears r not what they once were, I do have hearing aids but truthfully this present Center, which emphasizes Vocality does usually keep me fm having to use my aids. I think fm what u said about those on this video, you'd say that the Sony would be the one for me and my ears....but I kind of like the sound of those older Pioneers [$ wise too]....but I'll bet the Pioneers don't produce clear.easily heard dialogue like my present or the ELAC?? With all your experience evaluating speakers - any other bookshelf size speakers that u can think of besides the ELAC CS41s that would more than fit the bill for replacing my old Infinitys and work well with my present Center??? TKS GOD Bless U!!!

    • @michaelllewellyn525
      @michaelllewellyn525 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      CHANGE:!!! Things have now changed, hope/pray for da Better, I had reviewed alot on the ELAC 5.1s, but after I posted here I happened upon a review of the Bookshelf E. 5.2s at "cheapaudioman" and that plus others PUT it over the top and he summed it up by saying, for him, they were the BEST he has ever reviewed/heard in the $200 Speaker range....then I happened back to Amazon and the had a BIG sale on the 5.2 Center, their reg. price is like $269, 1 left at $179 and I had some cash back on there - ordered one to replace da Klipsh for $172......Now.....I think I'll just wait for awhile and a SALE on the same bookshelf [5.2] and replace these old Infinity's .... problem solved..... will finish out me latter days with the BEST sound system of MY Life! Thank YOU, Lord! and Thank YOU too! Amen

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I do have a recommendation for that situation. If your keeping the center than you would do well to try the old faithful sony sscs5 bookshelfs.
      Those would be a good pair for your center channel and are overall just great speakers at a solid price. Try to get them on sale, I have purchased 5 sets over the past three years and never paid paid more than 90$ for a set.
      With or without room correction those will fit your needs very very well.

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@michaelllewellyn525 Ah yes the elac 5.2 are amazing. A nice blend between the 6.2 and the cs41. Those will be a great fit if you go that direction! Good luck and rememebr if you buy from Amazon only buy "shipped from Amazon" products for a worry free return. I also recommend trying to buy "shipped from *and* sold from amazon" if available for the same price. You get 30 days to decide if you like them and drop off at ups is easy if you return.

    • @michaelllewellyn525
      @michaelllewellyn525 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I.......m BACK! I sure would appreciate being able to tap into all of the Speaker Knowledge you have stored up and ask if you'd please use it to help me make a more informed decision concerning replacing these: www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/infinity-primus-p363-loudspeaker/ These are my fronts, used and dented bass cones, were cheap, and I'd never know about those woofers being "bruised"! They sound good, I think, but.......tomorrow my new Elac Debut 2.0 C5.2 arrives and I can put the Klipsch R 52C into the For Sale pile! As you know, last time we met here, I was shopping now for a good deal on a PR of B5.2s.....since then I have found several pairs of B6.2s for around $200.....I am thinking that IF I do change the Fronts, the B6.2s might be a Better way to go, [your input please], Next thing to ask your input on will help me decide IF I want to just stay PAT, and forget the Bookshelf Speakers. I am 83 thus I go back to the ol' days prior to improved knowledge & Tech. have changed Speakers too....and, unlike then you do not necessarily have to have at least THREE Way Speakers, now many two ways sound better than any three way.....+ remember, I have never in my life ever had "matching" C+Fronts! I already have a pair of Stands IF needed for the change. Now, da Nitty Gritty, Do you think if I decided to go ahead and replace these old Infinities w 2 B6.2s on stands working w a C5.2 - I'd really be, sound wise, making a POSITIVE change in my Home Theater Setup? Look forward to your feedback and I'll take 'er fm there! GOD Bless! & Thanks, michael

  • @INeedsMoneys
    @INeedsMoneys ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tank you

  • @Simon_Hawkshaw
    @Simon_Hawkshaw 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review. Thanks.

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I appreciate your compliment!

    • @Simon_Hawkshaw
      @Simon_Hawkshaw 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TonicofSonic you're most welcome and my honest opinion.

  • @mrmotown1004
    @mrmotown1004 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I combine the Sonys with the pioneer center channel? Or should I just invest in the Sony center channel?

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can mix them. I mix speakers all the time with great results and these are close enough to mix. If you have room correction that would pretty much mitigate the differences.
      Although, I personally would keep an eye out for the sony center to go on sale and pick one up. It is pretty much the perfect bargain center channel. I got mine for like 90$ open box and like most Amazon open box it was unopened or at least never hooked up to anything. Sale price gets low enough but open box during a sale is a steal.

    • @mrmotown1004
      @mrmotown1004 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TonicofSonic Ok right now now I’m using the Sonys as surround speakers and the pioneers as my mains. But I want to switch them to see if there’s much difference

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mrmotown1004 The Sony will lack that warmth midrange and special midrange punch that the pioneers have. You will trade that for a clear sound and more accurate bass. Depending on your type of music, each speaker excels at different things, with neither being able to be deemed superior in my opinion. The Sony are better suited for surround sound, only because of the supirior top end, as the bass advantage is nullified by the use of a subwoofer in surround setups. The pioneer are better for everyday tv watching and relaxed music listening.
      Depending on the amp, the room, you may agree or disagree.

    • @mrmotown1004
      @mrmotown1004 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TonicofSonic ok I only use for home theater purposes. I made the switch and ur right the Sonys have a much brighter sound than the pioneers I can really hear the super tweeters Gonna take some getting used to

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mrmotown1004 Switching between these two speakersis like a master class in how similarly priced speakers can be so different, and yet both still be so good.
      I forgot to mention the soundstage of the Sony is also much flatter, while the pioneer wrap the sound around you and center image better.
      Like I said, master class.

  • @INeedsMoneys
    @INeedsMoneys ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You are a spectacular

    • @TonicofSonic
      @TonicofSonic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for the kind words!
      I will take those straight to the bank if you don't mind. 👍

  • @joerod4998
    @joerod4998 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dat Donald Sutherland tho lmao !