Aromânii: Albania - prima parte (@TVR2)

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ย. 2019
  • Episodul 1 din seria documentară Aromânii, realizată de Maria Cica, difuzat în anul 2010 la #TVR2.
    În Albania, o ţară muntoasă aşezată de-a lungul mării, aromânii sunt băştinaşi şi trăiesc în zone ce sunt cunoscute ca fiind numai ale lor. Ei numesc această ţară Arbinişii, iar albanezilor le spun arbineşi.
    În prima parte sunt prezentaţi aromânii care trăiesc la malul mării Adriatice, în fascinanta și strania Albanie.
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ความคิดเห็น • 67

  • @ruso4315
    @ruso4315 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    îmi place cum vorbește... au multe cuvinte de la țară de la. noi din Ardeal.. Dumnezeu sa le poarte de grija acol unde sunt ei

  • @mirceaamariutei8854
    @mirceaamariutei8854 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Rădăcinile sunt aceleași, cei care au invadat lucrurile au avut tot interesul de a şterge identitatea băştinaşilor pentru a deveni ei proprietari. FELICITĂRI celor care păstrează tradiția şi adevărul poate lumina!

  • @gabinicola6959
    @gabinicola6959 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Ce frumos! Este laudabila preocuparea autoritatilor pentru sustinerea scolii cu predare in aromana si pentru tot ceea ce inseamna conservarea culturii! Acum doi ani, fiind pentru prima data in Sarande, am fost impresionat sa vad statuia lui Nicolae Iorga pe faleza! Oricand ma intorc cu drag in aceasta tara minunata, Albania, pentru ca am dat la o parte prejudecatile pe care le aveam despre albanezi. Sunt niste oameni deosebiti, primitori, cu bun simt si cinstiti. In materie de arta culinara si servicii turism Grecia e in urma.

    • @cinevadinsighet
      @cinevadinsighet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      prejudecatile noastre fata de albanezi provin din faptul ca sunt (declarativ) musulmani, si au "furat teritoriul "fratilor ortodocsi" sarbi" , sarbi care isi trateaza minoritatea romaneasca mult mai rau decat Albania. Pacat....

  • @_utahraptor
    @_utahraptor หลายเดือนก่อน

    Aromâni vă iubesc! ❤

  • @rogerius1
    @rogerius1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    foarte emotionant! merci mult!

  • @GeogeOprescu-kh6uf
    @GeogeOprescu-kh6uf 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Albania e o țară foarte mică dar are avantajul ieșirii la mare . Albania de azi e prosperă și la asta contribuie și aromânii . Să învățăm pstriotismyl de la albanezi și de la aromâni .

  • @viacheslavbraila3596
    @viacheslavbraila3596 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    noi romanii din sudul Basarabiei in Ucraina avem cuvinte asaemanatoare ( gini- bine, śapti- śapte, zîua-ziua)

  • @user-ci7fz5kp8e
    @user-ci7fz5kp8e 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I am part Vlach by origin. My family stopped using the language 4 generations ago and we indentify as Albanian . I am glad to see there is a regeneration of interest on learning Aromanian by the youngest generations. Vlachs of Albania contributed greatly on the establishment of the Albanian state and deserve more than be a “cultural” minority.

    • @thesecretlibrary890
      @thesecretlibrary890 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why you used that Greek script name?

    • @saebica
      @saebica ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thesecretlibrary890 Because he's Greek?

    • @ljubovasiljevic6771
      @ljubovasiljevic6771 ปีที่แล้ว

      Im to, im from North Est Srbija

    • @_utahraptor
      @_utahraptor หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ljubovasiljevic6771Vlachs from northeast Serbia are different from those from Greece, Albania and Macedonia. In Serbia they are speakers of Romanian and migrated from Romania 300 years ago. The ones more to the south have lived here for 1000 years and have their own language.

  • @GeogeOprescu-kh6uf
    @GeogeOprescu-kh6uf 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tatăl meu avea un prieten care se numea Fărșerotu un om foarte discret și muncitor .

  • @doce7678
    @doce7678 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Especially in the Middle Ages, all speakers of Romance languages ​​were called Vlachs, Blachis, Volokhs, thus differentiating them from speakers of Germanic or Slavic languages.
    It is still practiced today. Example: Hungarians call Italians olasz, Italy is in Czech - Vlachy, in Polish - Vlochy, Romanians, in Hungarian, are called olasz (pl), in German the term is Walach(us), in Ukrainian - Voloch.
    As for themselves, the Vlachs have always called themselves in their language (be it Aromanian, Istro-Romanian, Megleno-Romanian, etc.) Români or Rumâni. The situation is not unique in Europe. Germany is called Nemaeka by most Slavic peoples, and Germans are called Germans, Italians call them Germans, but Germans call your country Deutschland, and they call themselves Deutscher. The situation is similar for Hungarians, Austrians, Dutch, Swiss, etc.
    So Vlach is a generic name that FOREIGNERS used for the notion of "Romanian", and the territory inhabited by "Vlachs" they called Vlahia, Magna Vlachia, etc. That is, "Land of Romanians/Rumanians". It is a reason why all the Romanian state formations north and south of the Danube were called "Vlachs" or "Countries of the Romanians" in the Middle Ages. In this case, I wonder if any part of the Romanian race has the right to claim the name "Vlach" only for itself... Because "Vlachs" in the sense of foreigners or "Romanians" in the literary language, we are all even if, In the local language, we called ourselves "Romanians" (Daco-Romanians), i.e. Nordics, "Ar(u)mans" (Southern Romanians or Vlachs) or "Rumeri" (Western Romanians). However, we cannot say that the Vlachs are anything but Romanians. Let's not forget that there was a Land of the Vlachs called Vlachia, with Basarab the Great as its ruler.
    Greetings from Romania to all ethnic Romanians (so-called Vlachs)!

    • @valevisa8429
      @valevisa8429 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pe scurt,daca la origine Vlah a insemnat strain in limba gotilor,la slavi a fost folosit ca "vorbitori de limba latina",sau romani.

  • @MariusNicolaeToader
    @MariusNicolaeToader 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Etnogeneza popoarelor arhaice balcanice este mult diferită de variantele ”oficiale”!!!

  • @gregorz228
    @gregorz228 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Am un prieten Albanez macedonian

  • @Danaceli95
    @Danaceli95 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Unde pot gasi in limba albaneza?😢

  • @alexandravanson2366
    @alexandravanson2366 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As far I understand, aromanians are neither greek, albanian or rumanian but are claimed by all those nations to 'belong' to them. Unfortunately, those people always were in wars because of that

    • @ByMyselF27
      @ByMyselF27 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, you can say so yes. They were hunted and involved into wars due to the usage of their language. Nowadays, It is silly indeed if you think about that but then there were no social media and the rights of people were inexistent in some Balkan countries (Yes even Greece).

    • @tavicsson
      @tavicsson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Aromanians do not live only in Greece or Albania, but in most of Balkan countries - N Macedonia, Bulgaria and since the 1920's in Romania as well (see later on why)... they are the followers of the Thracian people who were living in all the Balkan peninsula but also North of the Danube (i.e. present day Romania) before the Roman occupation . All these regions were Romanised some 2,000 years ago, and the followers are the Romanian people. However, due to the Slavic invasion in the Balkan peninsula in the 5th-6th Century AD, the territorial connection between the Romanians N of the Danube and the (A)romanians S of the Danube was lost, most of the previous inhabitants of the Balkan peninsula were subsequently Slavicized and the Romanized population (the Aromanians) retreated (or remained as such) to high mountaineous regions and dealt (mostly) with growing sheep, later on also with trade.
      The language spoken by Aromanians nowadays is a dialect of Romanian, the grammar is identical. Some words are identical as in proper Romanian, whereas others are, understandably, different, after so many centuries of separation. However, as mentioned in this documentary (made by an Aromanian lady living in Romania and quoting a historian also of Aromanian origin, living in Romania), some of these different words (than literary Romanian) can be found in regions of Romania, thus proving once more the initial identical ori gin of Romanian and Aromanian. With a little training by listening, a native Romanian speaker could rather easily learn and umderstand the Aromanian dialect. Anyway, Aromanian is a Latin language and has nothing to do with Greek, Slavic or Albanian languages (except some borrowed words) - this is an undisputable fact.
      Regarding history, after so many centuries of isolation from present-day Romania (as mentioned), after 1848-1860's Romanian intellectuals 'discovered' by travelling that in the Balkans there was a population calling themselves (A)Romanians and speaking a language very close to Romanian , and subsequently tried to help them maintain their inheritance by supporting churches and public schools in literary Romanian / Aromanian in their regions, oferring scholarships in Romania fir the young and supporting their political rights before the Ottoman(Turkish) authorities - at that time, the entire Balkan peninsula was part of the Ottoman Empire. As such, in 1912 the Turks officially recognised the Aromanians as a constituent nationality in their Empire, with a sort of an autonomy, including at religious level (Aromanians, like list Romanians, are Christian Orthodox).
      Unfortunately for Aromanians, with the quick fall of the Ottoman Empire after WWI came the split of their homeland into the newly appearred or extended countries in the region, Greece, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Albania, what remained of European Turkey... their unity and power thus diminished and , moreover, they became the victims of the chauvinistic politics of these young states, which persecuted even violently those who had or attained to other ethnicity than the majority. (An exemple mentioned in this documentary is the Aromanian priest and teacher Papa Lambru Balamace, murdered by Greeks and filo-Greeks in 1914). (You may know that Macedonia and the neighbouring regions were a salad of nationalities, with no clear majorities).
      Another big blow to the Aromanians living in Greece was the colonization of the regions where they lived with Greeks who fled fromTurkey (Asia Minor) after 1920, thus creating additional pressure on them (they couldn't use anymore the land they previously used for grazing sheep). For these two types of reasons, many Aromanians (not only from Greece but also the other Balkan countries) emmigrated to Romania, with which they identified at that point (considering themselves a branch of Romanians), where they felt their identity was no longer in danger and where they also received for free agricultural land to cultivate.
      Thus, the proportion of Aromanian 'nationalists' diminished in the Balkan countries. After WWII the Romanian/(A)romanian schools and churches supported by the Romanian state and the local Aromanians were closed or switched to the official language. Apparently, from fear and then, in time, by conviction, many Aromanians now identify with the majority people where they live, the youth no longer speak the language... and especially in Greece, where they have no identity rights, those who try to advocate for the public use of the language are harassed - there was the case of an Aromanian lawyer in Greece some years ago who was even imprisoned for some time because he distributed some leaflets promoting the language...

    • @ana-mariaatonoaie2784
      @ana-mariaatonoaie2784 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tavicsson thank you. Very clear and really insightful!

    • @alexandrutarlescu2963
      @alexandrutarlescu2963 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@tavicsson Best comprehensive explanation for greeks,albanians,bulgarians,serbs and other God loving nations yet Lies loving nations as well.

    • @marincalmic2630
      @marincalmic2630 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Not really. It is one thing to claim that so-called ARomanians are not Albanians or Greeks, which is true, but other one is to assert that they wouldn't be Romanians, which is untrue. Their dialects are one of the most valid argument that ARomanians without any doubt are Romanians. Another strongest argument of this fact is their self-denomination [in their own vernaculars] as ''Rãmãni''', rarely even as ''Rumãni'' (or more distortedly as ''Ar'mãni'' with an extra, unetimological initial A) exactly as self-denomination of the rest of the Romanians.

  • @ljubovasiljevic6771
    @ljubovasiljevic6771 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mihailo Pupin, marele fiziciana, a fost arominul vostru, stramosi lu sunt veniti de la Corcea

  • @luciancasu101
    @luciancasu101 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    2:02 se pronunță Șciptari, nu Șchiptari, crainica lu' pește.

    • @enaner1370
      @enaner1370 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lucian Casu şchiptari 😊 fii atent cum pronunță ei acolo...

    • @scrippythecaru
      @scrippythecaru 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      depinde de unde sunt albanezii....în nord se pronunță șciptar și în sud mai degrabă șchiptar

    • @marincalmic2630
      @marincalmic2630 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Depinde de dialect, forma sud-centrală (actual standard) e mai aproape de Șciptari, cea din nord (standard istoric, inclusiv Cosovo) si extrem sudica e mai aproape de Șchiptari.

    • @saebica
      @saebica 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Se pronunță Șiptar, cu r ca-n engleză

  • @diturigramshi1132
    @diturigramshi1132 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This Vangjel Shunti has betrayed the Aromanian cause. By being the chief of Aromanians of Tirana , he made possible in exchange of money that many corrupted , mafios Muslim Albanians to study in Romania. He bacame rich this way.

  • @liljanakordha9940
    @liljanakordha9940 ปีที่แล้ว

    po perse nuk jepni acetare .si ta mesojne te tjeret

  • @user-wq4ll9bj5m
    @user-wq4ll9bj5m 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Цинцари

    • @vasilesandulache3813
      @vasilesandulache3813 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Iar tu ești un mucan spurcat cu păr pe limbă!

  • @danielpandelea5335
    @danielpandelea5335 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Limba Dacică reală

    • @hytoxaka8195
      @hytoxaka8195 ปีที่แล้ว

      Limba traca*

    • @fatosmulla8421
      @fatosmulla8421 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ma che dacia lingua dacia e scomparsa non era lingua latina lingua dacia la lingua che parlano adesso i vllachi e una lingua vecchia rumena anche perché i rumeni sono latinisati

  • @danielrosca8301
    @danielrosca8301 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    În 200 de ani ocupam ca România tot Balkan pana la mare și formam Dacia Superior

    • @ulikaplani1039
      @ulikaplani1039 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      90% Cigani..🤣🤣

    • @hytoxaka8195
      @hytoxaka8195 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ulikaplani1039apoi ma bine murim😂😂

    • @fatosmulla8421
      @fatosmulla8421 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nessun storia del europa scrive qusto che dici tu

  • @dorinameres3100
    @dorinameres3100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Aromâni parcă au limba amestecată cu ; română, albană....

  • @duskojowcewski643
    @duskojowcewski643 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If they are ROMANIANS, why you put translate, ROMANIANS dont understand their Vlach or Aromanian language?

    • @saebica
      @saebica ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Because it's the Romanian propaganda to make Romajians believe we're Romanians..

    • @duskojowcewski643
      @duskojowcewski643 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@saebica Who are actually Romajians?

    • @saebica
      @saebica ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@duskojowcewski643 Romanians are Getae-Dacians, a Thracian tribe

    • @duskojowcewski643
      @duskojowcewski643 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@saebica U told me Romajians, who make propaganda to who?

    • @saebica
      @saebica ปีที่แล้ว

      @@duskojowcewski643 Romanians say Aromanians are Romanians and Greeks say we are Greeks.
      We're Thracians