@@genuineglimmer yea bc they where a head of meta. His wattson mechanically is the best. But the seer horizon Mets was the main reason they where that good.
@@kensosa7447 for a newly formed team. you have to understand how important chemistry and familiarity with your teammates in comp is. No need to be so negative
We all know what the C9 roster was like and how Zachmazer treated Naughty. Naughty himself said on stream with Alb that he had a lot of bad habits after teaming with Zachmazer for 2 years and it would take time to break, but he was excited with the changes of his new team going forward. Now Lou was not fully prepared to Micro Naughty throughout PL and so his patience rightfully so ran out. But instead of trying to adapt or make constructive criticisms to make things work, he began harping /hyper focusing on Naughtys mistakes and took his frustrations out on him. So here’s the thing that I’m sure Naughty eventually realized himself. Lou did EXACTLY what his previous IGL just did. In reality nothing changed for Naughty. He traded one Zachmazer for another and that’s why his confidence died out. This team needed to take some accountability and work on their own individual bad habits. They came so close to LAN in the hardest meta possible as a new team when they were probably only a few fixes away from being Top 5 in NA.
I wouldn't say "he traded one Zachmazer in for another", and more so, he "made Lou become another Zachmazer". Cause Naughty proved multiple times throughout the split that he needed to be micro-ed, and refused to improve his overall awareness and macro-knowledge to act as a more independent player.
I remember when they first got together officially, and I was so fucking excited, despite seeing the cracks in the armor. Two of my favorite MnK bruisers and Naughty the pocket nuke. Such a shame to them dissolve so quickly.
@@kavid8120 there are 60yo dudes that cry when their football teams lose, nothing wrong with getting emotional when something you liked suddenly isn't there anymore
Cop out explanation at 32:08. No personal accountability on Lou's part. Alb took all the weight on his shoulders to the point of tears, when none of it was on him.
If he added that those results he got after which he stuck aruond were in some way his fault, and not him doling out a favor to the other players, he could've saved it. Instead its revealed in his tweet that he thinks they had different goals when we as the audience know they didn't.
I found myself questioning some of the calls, and had to stop and think about it more and realize this is a high pressure game situation making quick calls for several zones ahead of what I would normally think of in a lobby I could never compete in. They had a hell of a run and it is a shame such a team imploded so quickly
@@TacDonut556 which he recognized his past mistakes and made it known that he wants to change and be better which i think he did fairly well hes working great as a kbm fragger who gives great suggestions as a past igl but still listening to his igl to the best of his ability
Loved the team but Lou having an easy out with blaming naughty always rubbed me the wrong way. I really hope that naughty can find a team that lifts him up and gives him back the confidence that makes him a great player
It sucks that Lou and Naughty didn’t give LCQ a chance but I guess we don’t know what is going on behind the scenes. Esports comp is ruthless and impatient.
generalizing it to an esports problem isn't the answer, the problem is peoples mentality they take one loss and split up? no competitive drive to make the team better.
it wasn’t just abt the loss it was about making mistakes and not fixing them which is why Lou was so upset and left if I was in his position I would’ve given in some more time but I understand why he left
@@gl0cksw1tch i mean, if he thought naughty had such a problem lou would've demanded they work on things, not act like a little child and wait until oversight is done then, out of the blue decide to leave without actually taking on the challenge of changing his team dynamic.. exactly lou was a baby and bailed on them because he didnt want to work as a team.. exactly what i said
@@widegap1169 Bruh, did you not see where Lou said he asked them to put time in customs with him and Doop?? And they didn’t!?!? That totally negates the point you’re trying to make.
Naughty sounds like such a good teammate. Every time he made a mistake and Lou went after him, he looked down and apologized. Not a single drop of ego could be heard in his voice. But Lou, even if he was frustrated, just spoke from the ego. Hope they all earn from this and manage to thrive
I agree with your point about Naughty but to say Lou just spoke from ego?!? Cmon man. People praise Hal for all the shit he says but Lou does it, and not even to the extent that Hal does, and it’s “Lou has an ego”.
@Scott Schleicher Yeah, I get your point. But did you see Hal this split? He was about to give up, and he even said that if it wasn't because of his teammates, he would have given up. You don't see Lou going after Alb that hard, and when things got a little rough, he bailed. There is a thin line between passion and ego, and I just believe Lou is more on the ego side of the line
@@scottschleicher3865 stop moving the goalposts lol, and arguing with strawmen. No one here saying that lou was toxic, is also saying that hal being toxic is good. Being toxic is bad, no matter your name or your skill. Lous toxicity was ruining comms and taking focus away from the game, and after wiping it prevented them from properly discussing what went wrong and how to fix it next time.
JHawk, a point to add in the "Naughty vs Lou" perspective, it's important to note that Lou said that he often got angry at Naughty because he felt that Naughty was hyper-fixating on the wrong things. While Lou put hours in every day on his macro, zones, and team building, he got annoyed that Naughty was spending that time in ranked, working on his aim. He knew that Naughty could shoot straight, and the possible 1/4th of a bullet extra per magazine wouldn't make a difference. Therefore, he was more susceptible to getting angry at Naughty because he felt that Naughty had all the time in the world to fix his macro problems, but instead focused on playing ranked to improve his aim, sometimes even at the cost of focus during PL due to a bad sleep schedule.
Macro is determined by the igl/coach, so this doesnt really make sense. Naughty, as the roller fragger, is basically only supposed to shoot his gun. So getting his aim perfected is the only goal he really has. Not prioritizing his sleep schedule for pro league is an issue though.
@@aaronboothe1842 Not macro, I think they meant to say game sense or situational awareness. Which is the ability to think about what to do in the current situation without the need to be micro-ed.
@@aaronboothe1842 That is not true at all. Most teams in NA and other regions split their macro-duties between the members of the team. On OpTic you got literally all 3 players figuring out their macro together, same goes for XSET (2 incredibly successful teams). Just to name 2 examples, there are more tho. IGL-ing doesn't mean you do all the macro work for their team + microing them when needed to. That's just what some of the most authoritarian IGLs in the scene tend to do (like Sweet or Zer0), but it's definitely not what Lou had in mind when he started teaming with Alb and Naughty.
@@aaronboothe1842 If that's the case then Naughty needs to be johnny on the spot when Lou calls.. Right.. if Naughty isn't aware of the macro and needs to be micro'd by Lou.. then when Lou says.. Take height, play the 2v2, ress.. he needs to do those things and be hanging off Lou's words.. hearing him trying to micro Lou calling for a seer alt rather than taking the head glitch made me want to vomit.
This shows that communication is so important in these high level games. Everyone is so good at this game but this game doesn't reward good technical plays but teamwork. Every part is integral is important. The brain tells the legs to move and if one leg moves even a slightly different direction the whole body will trip and fall
My heart aches for each of them. Individually they're all so talented and their stories inspiring. I hope Alb and Naughty bounce back from this and I hope Lou finds a team that fits him better.
Lou vs naughty was the biggest problem for sure. I didn’t like Lous leadership style always bashing on naughty and never took positive criticism. He had a recent clip stating that he always thought he was right in his early days and it still showed this split
Have you ever watched TSM or Dark Zero?? Arguably the Two best Teams in the Game?? Who constantly Blame game and scream at each other 😂Especially Hal?? 😂😂 Lou was a way nicer version of Hal in these clips! Not to mention if you really watched alot of their matches Lou was always being nice and pumping Naughty up!! Taking a few clips from Hundreds of Hours of Games and say thats all it was is a little disingenuous!! Lou said it, He asked Naughty and AL to come into Custom to practice more with him and Doop before and during pro league's... But That didn't happen and thats where Lou's frustration came from!! And give the kid a break, its an intense game and sometimes were in the wrong when we blame someone... Lou usually would go back and admit when he was wrong unlike The CEO Hal!!! They just didn't work out and it sucks because I loved Lou and AL together!!! I like Naughty but he's not on their level!! They should've subbed Doop in!! AL, Lou and Doop would've been Tits together!!
@@stanleyfranks9891 lol, hal and darkzero yell and do that to each other because they play together for years now and each other knows exactly how to follow the calls from their igls, evan for example, now when hal gives a call he knows exactly what to do and learned how to do that the best way with his character, its impossible to compare a team with 2 months and 1 tournament together with two lan winning teams, also Naughty is better than lou on roller, lou probably just switched so its easier for him to focus on fighting and managing the team at the same time
@@stanleyfranks9891 u compare the team that made their debut less than 3 months against the teams that have been together for years. Its not even comparable man, wtf
The real one to feel bad for rn is Alb, he's probs feeling rly down with calling himself the common denonminator. He left a org to play with a team that disbands in like 1-2 months after, a lot of people would chase the bag and not give it up because it's stable good pay. He left the org in belief of the team and the team just falls apart and he's just struggling here with his controller fragger/igl just starting to have beef with each other(or at least on the surface here we don't know the BTS). A large part of the team's problem is just bad reads/ways of playing the ring like stated but the problems rising with his two other teammates probs put him in a hell like state
Ngl, I'm on Naughtys and Albs side on this one. I know its hard to be a IGL and theres alot of pressure on Lou but you simply can't just put the blame on Naughty and also Alb every single damn time.
This is the 1st time Alb is leaving a team and I felt like he was the only mature party as they split. After watching that clip of them trying to setup and Lou kept getting knocked, trying to get to his deathbox. And Naughty missed the revive by 1 second and Lou got mad at him. The way Alb tried to get them to move past it and kept trying to get them to focus was really commendable. You could tell Alb desperately wanted to make this team work. I also feel bad for Naughty constantly feeling like he can't do anything without criticism
If you are the leader of a group, and you tell them to go up, but 1 of them goes left and the other goes diagonally up. Regardless of whether or not going up is the right choice, if your group isn't doing what you, the defacto leader, wants to be done, how can you be sure what the real problem is? There is no opportunity to realize going up is not the right call, because its not being done properly. Lou does occasionally admit, he makes mistakes like throws bad utility when Mac brings it up, so he is at least a bit self aware. But I do agree that Lou is the main problem of the group. He wants to be in control of everything, so the slightest deviation in micro, stands out as a problem which is shown by his lack of trust in Naughty and Mac's calls, whenever they make any.
honestly they did well with what little time they had. Im glad to see that alb was so mature on this team compared to previously seriously do hope he and the others find success in the future
My favourite video of yours so far! was rooting for them all split and watched all games mostly from their pov, yet I couldnt isolate their issues half as well as you did here. It must not be easy to mention chemistry when you analyze teams, so I really admire how fair and based you were on the third point, lou needed to trust naughty more and vice versa. Maybe if Mac took a role more similar to reps in team chemistry they couldve worked those things out… I feel this video is a perfect visualization of why 3 cracked players wont necessarily be a cracked team, personalities and past experiences take a HUGE role in a teams success and I always underestimated that when picking my horses. Thanks for yet another amazing video man!
the main problem is the rotations and i love how you show this so well, I love Lou, but this team didn't work out mainly because of his mentality, both sides have their mistakes, but when you are the IGL you need to know how to deal with your team members better...
this is so in depth. . . teams need to hire analysts like jhawk. hes seriously pushing the boundaries of team chemistry and comms analysis in comp apex. raven if you see this. . . call this man lol
Great video. I do think that mindset is half the battle, especially with so much pressure in that kind of environment. It can make or break a team. It's sad to see how it turned out for LANimals, but hopefully these players (including DOOP), will find teams that mesh well and work out.
25:50 - that point about communication in high stress situations is so on point. Even tho we as viewers enjoy the screaming and passionate comms on teams like this, it's so detrimental to their actual success. Like it or not, the totally emotionless, clear and concise comms of teams like OpTic are probably the most effective way of handling these kinds of situations. I also really appreciate you trying to look at things from everyone's perspective. Sure from the outside it may seem as if Lou broke apart the team because of his ego or whatever, but if you take your time to watch through their matches, it becomes really apparent that their dynamic was totally screwed towards the end of their time teaming together. Departing from that environment is honestly the best possible solution at that point.
25:00 I can't hear lou asking him to take high spot in the middle. He just said "focus on the middle" which naughty assume "look at the middle" ( and shot anything at the middle).. Mac also screaming loud and so many bombarment, so I can't hear a thing..
he said "yeah yeah Naughty fly up" but the up got cut in half it sounds like. Certainly could've been more specific but he also pinged in front of him while saying it so put two and two together and there ya go
@@andis9076 the point being that Lou could've at least pinged instead of vaguely saying "fly up" which could totally mean anything at that point in chaos.
On the Button as usual JHawk. I was watching them the whole time also. And totally watched naughty’s confidence crumble and Mac’s also a little bit. Great Video..
Constructive criticism: I got a bit confused when going through problem #1 because I didn't have the basics laid out--i.e., where they normally landed, which POIs they like, etc. The video kind of launched into digging into what went wrong in Regional Finals by talking about the team comp, and I think it would have been nice (if formulaic) to just get those basics out of the way in the very beginning. Or, alternatively, just hint at what is going to go wrong in regional finals before going into problem #2
That’s good feedback. Honestly at first I wasn’t going to include the “change part” of the problem #1 and it was just going to be time. But then I started talking about how they picked up their stride with the comp change and then on my research I saw they changed it again later and just tossed it in there without much thought. I tried to save the POIs for the second problem to make it hit harder but you’re right, I probably should’ve given the usual “foundation” of their stuff first
@@AyeJHawk yeah other people might have different opinions! Just mine. (Killer video by the way. The extended clip of Lanimals in the cart by Frag East was devastating to watch, very well done.) I also imagine that there is a minority of more casual viewers who don't know much about comp and could use the initial grounding in what's going on right off the bat.
Made sure I went back and liked all the videos I watched. Just waiting till dark In preparation for this back to back since I haven't watched this vid about LANimals yet.. 🔥
Feel bad for Alb. Hes trying to keep a level head on Rampart, which at a high level requires ridiculous micro-management, whilst Lou blames his team even though he isnt listening and Naughty plays like a player who peaked at Plat div 3 and is deaf
I know these videos take a lot of effort but I would love to see maybe another series that could fill in the gaps it could be something small maybe like a play breakdown or algs stats would be nice! Thanks for all the good work man
tough part is I still work a full time job so honestly dont have the time to add in more content in between videos. Adding in more stuff would only delay the long form. But who knows, maybe one day I could go full time in content creation and pump them out wayyyyyy faster :)
@@AyeJHawk makes sense man keep up the good work but doing this level of content in between a full time job is already impressive. You still keep a consistent schedule either way so looking forward to the next one
Whilst I absolutely agree with your point at 14:48 , it kinda is an unfortunate situation. As a NRG fan, they would always rotate through landslide for a zone like that with their zone comp. However relegation candidates NXS would often sit top landslide instead of rotating, so NRG had to go the other way and caught LANimals off guard. Kinda a butterfly effect
yeah I actually had recorded a whole 30 second bit about that but deleted it cause tbh as a pro team you definitely should be aware that NRG's rotates were being griefed and they should've adjusted accordingly. Gotta know that stuff
@@AyeJHawk no doubt, I think that also is a consequence of dropping at different poi’s in different matchdays. So much to remember, that they prob assumed nrg was chillin on their rotates
Yeah... I honestly cant say that I can remain a Lou fan. His holier than thou and condescending attitude really rubs me the wrong way. He lacks accountability as it was always naughty's fault.
The what if on this team's potential is probably gonna haunt the league for a while this team could be top ten in the world if they got it together but guess we'll never know :(
feeling really bad for naughty regardless whoever's fault is it, he dint deserve this much humiliation and blaming. i can relate myself with lou not for skills obvious , about blaming teammate always for everything and dragging the topic for long and making toxic atmosphere. since i stopped doing it i can see my teammates are playing much better.
I’ve been a fan of Lou & Alb for a while but after watching this the amount of respect I grew for Naughty is insane. He was never rude, took accountability, apologized and kept it moving but Lou kept nagging on his mistakes, when in reality most of the clips you see Lou going down first or not listening to the comms his team is giving him as well. Also, some of the rotations & pushes are very questionable from his part. He needs to work on the way he speaks to his teammates or his comp career is over. Alb handled this gracefully, always stayed mature & calm amidst the whole blame game. Hope to see them succeed individually though
Haven't been able to catch them play cuz timezone but seeing them performing decently I felt really good. Sadly they disbanded after getting 14th overall, really thought they could get things going but fuck, love these three.
This reminds me a lot of what happened with Taxi y Noko, I don't want to blame anyone, the three of them are great players and I hope to see them sometime on a LAN
Mr. JHawk, is there any possibility you will make a video on the upcoming LAN competitors of the APAC regions? Teams like GO and FUN123 were really fun to watch this split and I would love for your brain to dissect them. (If you need a Korean translator, hit me up)
I will be making a video about each region that gives a brief overview of each qualified team. So both APAC regions will be getting one! Shoot me a DM on Twitter if you have any insight that you think could be helpful as I am not very familiar with APAC N like I am NA or EMEA
@@AyeJHawk I will do! ^^ I think the way they address each other in Korean is very telling of their hierarchy and their relationship so for sure I think it plays a role into their success
@yaizamuor9743 I don't know if hierarchy is the right word for it. They are all pretty close now and it's pretty clear they respect each other as friends and competitors
@@헤이-q7s i would still say they have a hierarchy tho maybe that is my western tainted way of seeing it… I have been learning Korean for the past 6 years and I find fascinating the amount of social and cultural rules you can find in the way people address each other (correct me pls if I am wrong)
Really wish they worked on it til LCQ, these guys had the potential to be the best had they meshed well. All incredible players. Great work btw always good relatively unbiased breakdowns, keep it up.
unless the communication between Lou and Naughty got fixed it would've only gotten worse. Lou would continue to get frustrated and Naughty would keep second guessing his every move. At some point it was just impossible for them to fix it
@@AyeJHawk Naughty needed a little more time to get more loose instead of wanting to get micro managed all the time, i also felt like Lou and Mac treated him like he was 10 and had single digit iq, too bad the team ended before they could actually get on track with each other playstyle
Of course theres always gonna be a star player or one that excells consistently and it’s just up to the other two to accept and for the star player to be humble enough so that the other two can work with him and not be annoyed to the point that they lose each other.
For team that came so close to Lan in such a short period of time (Their first run as Lanimals) is impressive despite what other people may say.
Furia is make the LAN in 2 months of playing with HW. I remember when in spring 2022, Furia tweeted: HisWattson is the new member.
@@genuineglimmer yea bc they where a head of meta. His wattson mechanically is the best. But the seer horizon Mets was the main reason they where that good.
except when you look at the players, should of made lan
yea if they were noobs. and weren’t pros whos been playing 24/7 for 3 years :)
@@kensosa7447 for a newly formed team. you have to understand how important chemistry and familiarity with your teammates in comp is. No need to be so negative
We all know what the C9 roster was like and how Zachmazer treated Naughty. Naughty himself said on stream with Alb that he had a lot of bad habits after teaming with Zachmazer for 2 years and it would take time to break, but he was excited with the changes of his new team going forward. Now Lou was not fully prepared to Micro Naughty throughout PL and so his patience rightfully so ran out. But instead of trying to adapt or make constructive criticisms to make things work, he began harping /hyper focusing on Naughtys mistakes and took his frustrations out on him. So here’s the thing that I’m sure Naughty eventually realized himself. Lou did EXACTLY what his previous IGL just did. In reality nothing changed for Naughty. He traded one Zachmazer for another and that’s why his confidence died out. This team needed to take some accountability and work on their own individual bad habits. They came so close to LAN in the hardest meta possible as a new team when they were probably only a few fixes away from being Top 5 in NA.
I wouldn't say "he traded one Zachmazer in for another", and more so, he "made Lou become another Zachmazer". Cause Naughty proved multiple times throughout the split that he needed to be micro-ed, and refused to improve his overall awareness and macro-knowledge to act as a more independent player.
They need a coach to guide them, 3rd person who can guide them.
@@andis9076 ...they had a coach.
Seems like he would need someone like Sweet 🤔
@@BruceWayne-wh4of Well said. Couldn't said it better myself.
That amount of effort in this is fucking insane, huge respect.
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I remember when they first got together officially, and I was so fucking excited, despite seeing the cracks in the armor. Two of my favorite MnK bruisers and Naughty the pocket nuke. Such a shame to them dissolve so quickly.
For real, when they announced it and then also when they added Doop, such a lovable squad man
This split hurt bro
Lou is insanely bipolar. Look at the ridiculous neck tattoo if you want to understand mania.
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you’re a grown azz man dawg
About time, once the IGL starting to blame specifically one of their member for almost anything. Just matter of time, they're gonna split up.
@@kavid8120 there are 60yo dudes that cry when their football teams lose, nothing wrong with getting emotional when something you liked suddenly isn't there anymore
Cop out explanation at 32:08. No personal accountability on Lou's part. Alb took all the weight on his shoulders to the point of tears, when none of it was on him.
If he added that those results he got after which he stuck aruond were in some way his fault, and not him doling out a favor to the other players, he could've saved it. Instead its revealed in his tweet that he thinks they had different goals when we as the audience know they didn't.
I found myself questioning some of the calls, and had to stop and think about it more and realize this is a high pressure game situation making quick calls for several zones ahead of what I would normally think of in a lobby I could never compete in. They had a hell of a run and it is a shame such a team imploded so quickly
I still feel bad for Mac. He left TSM to be with them and show that he was going to fight with this team.
not only that, he also fixed most of his problems (ignore the roller arc). He played so well all split.
dont feel bad for mac at all.. He's not easy to play with.. He was toxic as hell with faze.
@@TacDonut556 which he recognized his past mistakes and made it known that he wants to change and be better which i think he did fairly well hes working great as a kbm fragger who gives great suggestions as a past igl but still listening to his igl to the best of his ability
lol hes such an idiot. why would you pick an unproven pick up team over TSM roster.
He left his content org so his team would have a better chance of getting signed. So sad, i really wish they stayed together
When Mac screams "FIGHT BRO, FIGHT!!" gets me hyped every time
Loved the team but Lou having an easy out with blaming naughty always rubbed me the wrong way. I really hope that naughty can find a team that lifts him up and gives him back the confidence that makes him a great player
It sucks that Lou and Naughty didn’t give LCQ a chance but I guess we don’t know what is going on behind the scenes. Esports comp is ruthless and impatient.
generalizing it to an esports problem isn't the answer, the problem is peoples mentality they take one loss and split up? no competitive drive to make the team better.
it wasn’t just abt the loss it was about making mistakes and not fixing them which is why Lou was so upset and left if I was in his position I would’ve given in some more time but I understand why he left
@@gl0cksw1tch i mean, if he thought naughty had such a problem lou would've demanded they work on things, not act like a little child and wait until oversight is done then, out of the blue decide to leave without actually taking on the challenge of changing his team dynamic.. exactly lou was a baby and bailed on them because he didnt want to work as a team.. exactly what i said
they had the potential to be a tier 1 org, lou just didnt give it his all into creating a dynasty.
@@widegap1169 Bruh, did you not see where Lou said he asked them to put time in customs with him and Doop?? And they didn’t!?!? That totally negates the point you’re trying to make.
Naughty sounds like such a good teammate. Every time he made a mistake and Lou went after him, he looked down and apologized. Not a single drop of ego could be heard in his voice. But Lou, even if he was frustrated, just spoke from the ego. Hope they all earn from this and manage to thrive
I agree with your point about Naughty but to say Lou just spoke from ego?!? Cmon man. People praise Hal for all the shit he says but Lou does it, and not even to the extent that Hal does, and it’s “Lou has an ego”.
@@scottschleicher3865 lou is not hal. not even close lmao
@@PopularJingo- so only Hal can tell people they are doing something wrong?
@Scott Schleicher Yeah, I get your point. But did you see Hal this split? He was about to give up, and he even said that if it wasn't because of his teammates, he would have given up. You don't see Lou going after Alb that hard, and when things got a little rough, he bailed. There is a thin line between passion and ego, and I just believe Lou is more on the ego side of the line
@@scottschleicher3865 stop moving the goalposts lol, and arguing with strawmen. No one here saying that lou was toxic, is also saying that hal being toxic is good. Being toxic is bad, no matter your name or your skill. Lous toxicity was ruining comms and taking focus away from the game, and after wiping it prevented them from properly discussing what went wrong and how to fix it next time.
props to al for keeping his cool in the midst of all that.
he lost it a few times 😂 Which I loved❤But he was pretty good!
@@stanleyfranks9891 not as much when mazer was around, he definitely changed
@@Zint1Ruto Remember when Mazer, Lou and Monsoon were on a Team? Thats the Team I want Back!!
That scene was literally the Mr Incredible meme and his teammates were still trying to grab armor and peacock around with full loot lmao
Always happy with some analytical Apex videos. We need this in the community.
JHawk, a point to add in the "Naughty vs Lou" perspective, it's important to note that Lou said that he often got angry at Naughty because he felt that Naughty was hyper-fixating on the wrong things. While Lou put hours in every day on his macro, zones, and team building, he got annoyed that Naughty was spending that time in ranked, working on his aim. He knew that Naughty could shoot straight, and the possible 1/4th of a bullet extra per magazine wouldn't make a difference. Therefore, he was more susceptible to getting angry at Naughty because he felt that Naughty had all the time in the world to fix his macro problems, but instead focused on playing ranked to improve his aim, sometimes even at the cost of focus during PL due to a bad sleep schedule.
Macro is determined by the igl/coach, so this doesnt really make sense. Naughty, as the roller fragger, is basically only supposed to shoot his gun. So getting his aim perfected is the only goal he really has. Not prioritizing his sleep schedule for pro league is an issue though.
@@aaronboothe1842 being an igl doesnt mean he should be micro managing do you see verhulst getting micro managed by hal
@@aaronboothe1842 Not macro, I think they meant to say game sense or situational awareness. Which is the ability to think about what to do in the current situation without the need to be micro-ed.
@@aaronboothe1842 That is not true at all. Most teams in NA and other regions split their macro-duties between the members of the team. On OpTic you got literally all 3 players figuring out their macro together, same goes for XSET (2 incredibly successful teams). Just to name 2 examples, there are more tho. IGL-ing doesn't mean you do all the macro work for their team + microing them when needed to. That's just what some of the most authoritarian IGLs in the scene tend to do (like Sweet or Zer0), but it's definitely not what Lou had in mind when he started teaming with Alb and Naughty.
@@aaronboothe1842 If that's the case then Naughty needs to be johnny on the spot when Lou calls.. Right.. if Naughty isn't aware of the macro and needs to be micro'd by Lou.. then when Lou says.. Take height, play the 2v2, ress.. he needs to do those things and be hanging off Lou's words.. hearing him trying to micro Lou calling for a seer alt rather than taking the head glitch made me want to vomit.
Damn it Jhawk I JUST forgot for a moment they split up and now I'm sad again.....Love your videos man!
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This shows that communication is so important in these high level games. Everyone is so good at this game but this game doesn't reward good technical plays but teamwork. Every part is integral is important. The brain tells the legs to move and if one leg moves even a slightly different direction the whole body will trip and fall
Then you start beating up the leg, then you fall even harder.
My heart aches for each of them. Individually they're all so talented and their stories inspiring.
I hope Alb and Naughty bounce back from this and I hope Lou finds a team that fits him better.
Agreed on everything. I truly hope a year from now I'm making videos on how each of them were dominating on LAN
Does Alb and Naughty stays together?
I hope Lou retires from comp apex, he's really talented but he cant keep doing this to people.
@@Aaronxxi true man. I really like Lou tho, he's the first apex streamer i ever watch but i don't think he could fit for any teams.
@@cactusman0403 no man, Alb messaged naughty the morning lou tweeted he was leaving and naughty just said he was going to look for a team on his own.
I was cheering LANimals on so hard. I believed until the bitter end. This whole situation is so disheartening.
same :(
I feel you bro, straight up pain
Lou vs naughty was the biggest problem for sure. I didn’t like Lous leadership style always bashing on naughty and never took positive criticism. He had a recent clip stating that he always thought he was right in his early days and it still showed this split
He’s soft tbh. Bro should’ve played sports growing up
Have you ever watched TSM or Dark Zero?? Arguably the Two best Teams in the Game?? Who constantly Blame game and scream at each other 😂Especially Hal?? 😂😂 Lou was a way nicer version of Hal in these clips! Not to mention if you really watched alot of their matches Lou was always being nice and pumping Naughty up!! Taking a few clips from Hundreds of Hours of Games and say thats all it was is a little disingenuous!! Lou said it, He asked Naughty and AL to come into Custom to practice more with him and Doop before and during pro league's... But That didn't happen and thats where Lou's frustration came from!! And give the kid a break, its an intense game and sometimes were in the wrong when we blame someone... Lou usually would go back and admit when he was wrong unlike The CEO Hal!!! They just didn't work out and it sucks because I loved Lou and AL together!!! I like Naughty but he's not on their level!! They should've subbed Doop in!! AL, Lou and Doop would've been Tits together!!
@@stanleyfranks9891 a team without roller is bad idea these days sir...
@@stanleyfranks9891 lol, hal and darkzero yell and do that to each other because they play together for years now and each other knows exactly how to follow the calls from their igls, evan for example, now when hal gives a call he knows exactly what to do and learned how to do that the best way with his character, its impossible to compare a team with 2 months and 1 tournament together with two lan winning teams, also Naughty is better than lou on roller, lou probably just switched so its easier for him to focus on fighting and managing the team at the same time
@@stanleyfranks9891 u compare the team that made their debut less than 3 months against the teams that have been together for years. Its not even comparable man, wtf
The real one to feel bad for rn is Alb, he's probs feeling rly down with calling himself the common denonminator. He left a org to play with a team that disbands in like 1-2 months after, a lot of people would chase the bag and not give it up because it's stable good pay. He left the org in belief of the team and the team just falls apart and he's just struggling here with his controller fragger/igl just starting to have beef with each other(or at least on the surface here we don't know the BTS). A large part of the team's problem is just bad reads/ways of playing the ring like stated but the problems rising with his two other teammates probs put him in a hell like state
The "FIGHT BRO FIGHT" at 1:08 was inspirational af man. It was just just a game, but I'm hitting some prs in the gym with this.
As a long time fan of alb i was really hoping for this team to do well. Hope he can find a consistent team soon and get back on his feet
Same
yoo jumba!! love your stuff
@@kittyratrawr 🫡❤️
Ngl, I'm on Naughtys and Albs side on this one. I know its hard to be a IGL and theres alot of pressure on Lou but you simply can't just put the blame on Naughty and also Alb every single damn time.
This is the 1st time Alb is leaving a team and I felt like he was the only mature party as they split. After watching that clip of them trying to setup and Lou kept getting knocked, trying to get to his deathbox. And Naughty missed the revive by 1 second and Lou got mad at him. The way Alb tried to get them to move past it and kept trying to get them to focus was really commendable. You could tell Alb desperately wanted to make this team work. I also feel bad for Naughty constantly feeling like he can't do anything without criticism
If you are the leader of a group, and you tell them to go up, but 1 of them goes left and the other goes diagonally up. Regardless of whether or not going up is the right choice, if your group isn't doing what you, the defacto leader, wants to be done, how can you be sure what the real problem is? There is no opportunity to realize going up is not the right call, because its not being done properly.
Lou does occasionally admit, he makes mistakes like throws bad utility when Mac brings it up, so he is at least a bit self aware. But I do agree that Lou is the main problem of the group. He wants to be in control of everything, so the slightest deviation in micro, stands out as a problem which is shown by his lack of trust in Naughty and Mac's calls, whenever they make any.
love the breakdowns dude keep it up
thanks ghost :)
@@AyeJHawk have you been asked to be a coach yet or what? lmao
Great channel! The Music the dramatic scenes and good Story summary
I've benn watching a lot of scrims lately and realized we NEED an Alliance video, btw great stuff as always
honestly they did well with what little time they had. Im glad to see that alb was so mature on this team compared to previously seriously do hope he and the others find success in the future
That was one of the most beautiful most dramatic intro I've seen and it's awesome man i love it
I love how fast this one came out. Keep up the good work, I love your vids!
Another banger as per usual. Common JHawk W.
it's only been out for five minutes...? and you commented 5 minutes ago..
My favourite video of yours so far! was rooting for them all split and watched all games mostly from their pov, yet I couldnt isolate their issues half as well as you did here. It must not be easy to mention chemistry when you analyze teams, so I really admire how fair and based you were on the third point, lou needed to trust naughty more and vice versa. Maybe if Mac took a role more similar to reps in team chemistry they couldve worked those things out… I feel this video is a perfect visualization of why 3 cracked players wont necessarily be a cracked team, personalities and past experiences take a HUGE role in a teams success and I always underestimated that when picking my horses. Thanks for yet another amazing video man!
I so love this channel. Can't put into words how effin awesome this was put together.
the main problem is the rotations and i love how you show this so well, I love Lou, but this team didn't work out mainly because of his mentality,
both sides have their mistakes, but when you are the IGL you need to know how to deal with your team members better...
this is so in depth. . . teams need to hire analysts like jhawk. hes seriously pushing the boundaries of team chemistry and comms analysis in comp apex. raven if you see this. . . call this man lol
This is actually a perfect analysis to everything that happened, great video!
Definitely earned my like & sub 🔥💯
Great video. I do think that mindset is half the battle, especially with so much pressure in that kind of environment. It can make or break a team. It's sad to see how it turned out for LANimals, but hopefully these players (including DOOP), will find teams that mesh well and work out.
This is an incredibly well put together and concise video.
Thabk you!! For bringing that third point up! Naughty got blamed wayyyyy to much. Sad split hope they all find homes in the future.
25:50 - that point about communication in high stress situations is so on point. Even tho we as viewers enjoy the screaming and passionate comms on teams like this, it's so detrimental to their actual success. Like it or not, the totally emotionless, clear and concise comms of teams like OpTic are probably the most effective way of handling these kinds of situations.
I also really appreciate you trying to look at things from everyone's perspective. Sure from the outside it may seem as if Lou broke apart the team because of his ego or whatever, but if you take your time to watch through their matches, it becomes really apparent that their dynamic was totally screwed towards the end of their time teaming together. Departing from that environment is honestly the best possible solution at that point.
Dude your analysis skills are second to none. Really well done video.
25:00 I can't hear lou asking him to take high spot in the middle.
He just said "focus on the middle" which naughty assume "look at the middle" ( and shot anything at the middle)..
Mac also screaming loud and so many bombarment, so I can't hear a thing..
he said "yeah yeah Naughty fly up" but the up got cut in half it sounds like. Certainly could've been more specific but he also pinged in front of him while saying it so put two and two together and there ya go
@@AyeJHawk And Naughty was up just not on the spot that Lou was talking about. I didn't see any pings yet Naughty was getting blamed for this.
@@Beast_KT Head glitch is exposed from multiple angles, I don't think he can stand there without being shot from far away.
@@andis9076 the point being that Lou could've at least pinged instead of vaguely saying "fly up" which could totally mean anything at that point in chaos.
Amazing video man, love the unbiased analysis instead of just pinning the blame all on one person. Can't wait to see more!
JHawk you’re the GOAT bro, keep up the quality content
Amazing and well put together!
I knew this was coming, it was only a matter of when. Great job as always.
This is a very well made analysis of the team. Great video!
great content, wish i'd found this channel sooner. definitely something the apex scene and esports in general needs way more of. respect
On the Button as usual JHawk. I was watching them the whole time also. And totally watched naughty’s confidence crumble and Mac’s also a little bit. Great Video..
Thanks Jay
Constructive criticism: I got a bit confused when going through problem #1 because I didn't have the basics laid out--i.e., where they normally landed, which POIs they like, etc. The video kind of launched into digging into what went wrong in Regional Finals by talking about the team comp, and I think it would have been nice (if formulaic) to just get those basics out of the way in the very beginning. Or, alternatively, just hint at what is going to go wrong in regional finals before going into problem #2
That’s good feedback. Honestly at first I wasn’t going to include the “change part” of the problem #1 and it was just going to be time. But then I started talking about how they picked up their stride with the comp change and then on my research I saw they changed it again later and just tossed it in there without much thought. I tried to save the POIs for the second problem to make it hit harder but you’re right, I probably should’ve given the usual “foundation” of their stuff first
@@AyeJHawk yeah other people might have different opinions! Just mine. (Killer video by the way. The extended clip of Lanimals in the cart by Frag East was devastating to watch, very well done.)
I also imagine that there is a minority of more casual viewers who don't know much about comp and could use the initial grounding in what's going on right off the bat.
That intro was super hype man! 💯💯
Excelent bro, more for LG please.
Made sure I went back and liked all the videos I watched.
Just waiting till dark In preparation for this back to back since I haven't watched this vid about LANimals yet..
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preciate you homie, its uploading now, should be out soon
Really enjoying these videos man. They are great.
This intro is so hype! I love all these players and hope they find the right opportunities to thrive
gonna miss these guys
Alba one of the most talented player. I hope he'll found a new team.
Great video, LANimals was a good project.
Feel bad for Alb. Hes trying to keep a level head on Rampart, which at a high level requires ridiculous micro-management, whilst Lou blames his team even though he isnt listening and Naughty plays like a player who peaked at Plat div 3 and is deaf
Good job man, really good knowledge of data base algs games! Keep going, got my subscription
Thanks Marcos!
I know these videos take a lot of effort but I would love to see maybe another series that could fill in the gaps it could be something small maybe like a play breakdown or algs stats would be nice! Thanks for all the good work man
Tier list could go crazy too, edge team tier list or zone or maybe like best poi
tough part is I still work a full time job so honestly dont have the time to add in more content in between videos. Adding in more stuff would only delay the long form. But who knows, maybe one day I could go full time in content creation and pump them out wayyyyyy faster :)
@@AyeJHawk makes sense man keep up the good work but doing this level of content in between a full time job is already impressive. You still keep a consistent schedule either way so looking forward to the next one
Been waiting for this video, super sad Lanimals split up
that INTRO gave me goosebumps
No way there was a segment called (nail in the coffin) and we didn’t talk about them getting 3-0’d off spawn against TriPods
the pods better take this as an act of disrespect and use it as motivation to win LCQ in order to force me to make a video about how they did it
I have been waiting for this video !
Well done on this video, script and production was great
Whilst I absolutely agree with your point at 14:48 , it kinda is an unfortunate situation. As a NRG fan, they would always rotate through landslide for a zone like that with their zone comp. However relegation candidates NXS would often sit top landslide instead of rotating, so NRG had to go the other way and caught LANimals off guard. Kinda a butterfly effect
yeah I actually had recorded a whole 30 second bit about that but deleted it cause tbh as a pro team you definitely should be aware that NRG's rotates were being griefed and they should've adjusted accordingly. Gotta know that stuff
@@AyeJHawk no doubt, I think that also is a consequence of dropping at different poi’s in different matchdays. So much to remember, that they prob assumed nrg was chillin on their rotates
Yeah... I honestly cant say that I can remain a Lou fan. His holier than thou and condescending attitude really rubs me the wrong way. He lacks accountability as it was always naughty's fault.
The what if on this team's potential is probably gonna haunt the league for a while this team could be top ten in the world if they got it together but guess we'll never know :(
Juice!! Found the right video while I’m waiting for my flight 👌🏻
feeling really bad for naughty regardless whoever's fault is it, he dint deserve this much humiliation and blaming.
i can relate myself with lou not for skills obvious , about blaming teammate always for everything and dragging the topic for long and making toxic atmosphere. since i stopped doing it i can see my teammates are playing much better.
Fantastic content as always. You never disappoint, and I love getting the in-depth analysis that I never would have found on my own.
Quality video, subbed and liked. Looking forward to more
Another banger!!! My boy don’t miss with these videos.
I’ve been a fan of Lou & Alb for a while but after watching this the amount of respect I grew for Naughty is insane. He was never rude, took accountability, apologized and kept it moving but Lou kept nagging on his mistakes, when in reality most of the clips you see Lou going down first or not listening to the comms his team is giving him as well. Also, some of the rotations & pushes are very questionable from his part. He needs to work on the way he speaks to his teammates or his comp career is over. Alb handled this gracefully, always stayed mature & calm amidst the whole blame game. Hope to see them succeed individually though
im glad JHawk showed up because i missed all of this
Haven't been able to catch them play cuz timezone but seeing them performing decently I felt really good. Sadly they disbanded after getting 14th overall, really thought they could get things going but fuck, love these three.
So sad for Mac and Naughty. Hope they land on their feet. This Team really had potential imo
I think u portrayed everything perfectly !! Great Work! It didn't work out but what a beloved and hype team was it. Huge Love to Mac
unfortunate to see this happen to my favorite players. great video
That intro got me pumped 😂 those dudes just shooting straight
Lasers
Great work as always brother
J Hawk is really the goat let’s be honest… S-Tier Apex PL content, nobody does it better, keep it up!!
so much potential sad it didnt work out
same :(
Love your content bro!!!! Good video 🔥🔥
Thanks Juan
14:21 That is the most perfect GOD nade ive ever seen.
This reminds me a lot of what happened with Taxi y Noko,
I don't want to blame anyone, the three of them are great players and I hope to see them sometime on a LAN
Mr. JHawk, is there any possibility you will make a video on the upcoming LAN competitors of the APAC regions?
Teams like GO and FUN123 were really fun to watch this split and I would love for your brain to dissect them. (If you need a Korean translator, hit me up)
I will be making a video about each region that gives a brief overview of each qualified team. So both APAC regions will be getting one! Shoot me a DM on Twitter if you have any insight that you think could be helpful as I am not very familiar with APAC N like I am NA or EMEA
@@AyeJHawk I will do! ^^ I think the way they address each other in Korean is very telling of their hierarchy and their relationship so for sure I think it plays a role into their success
@yaizamuor9743 I don't know if hierarchy is the right word for it. They are all pretty close now and it's pretty clear they respect each other as friends and competitors
@@헤이-q7s i would still say they have a hierarchy tho maybe that is my western tainted way of seeing it… I have been learning Korean for the past 6 years and I find fascinating the amount of social and cultural rules you can find in the way people address each other (correct me pls if I am wrong)
@@wooziwrldd do u mean when they say hyung and stuff? That's just cause of age really
Really wish they worked on it til LCQ, these guys had the potential to be the best had they meshed well. All incredible players. Great work btw always good relatively unbiased breakdowns, keep it up.
Great video! Now I'll watch it
RIP LAN, best of luck to Lou, Naughty, and Mac
unless the communication between Lou and Naughty got fixed it would've only gotten worse. Lou would continue to get frustrated and Naughty would keep second guessing his every move. At some point it was just impossible for them to fix it
@@AyeJHawk yeah, I def see that now, I I was too quick to judge Lou.
@@AyeJHawk Naughty needed a little more time to get more loose instead of wanting to get micro managed all the time, i also felt like Lou and Mac treated him like he was 10 and had single digit iq, too bad the team ended before they could actually get on track with each other playstyle
great breakdown as always 💯💯
Your videos have passion on apex legends i like it
Another great video, bro
Been waiting for this!
so sad man...i love their energy
These guys really had potential together. I guess that some people are just not compatible. They were very fun to watch.
Of course theres always gonna be a star player or one that excells consistently and it’s just up to the other two to accept and for the star player to be humble enough so that the other two can work with him and not be annoyed to the point that they lose each other.
Dude your videos are so insanely bingeable i cant explain why lol
LMFAO THE INTRO WENT SO HARD!! alb”we so fucking good” PAINNNNNN
P A S S I O N
Lou proved all my assumptions right. He lacks conviction and is nothing but a quitter.
I believed in Lanimals so much
same