Vladimir Samsonov vs Gionis Panagiotis (2016 Olympic Qualification)

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  • @hariskrijestorac
    @hariskrijestorac 6 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    As a chopper, I watch this match once a month for inspiration

    • @ChessArmyCommander
      @ChessArmyCommander 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have you seen this? th-cam.com/video/zNVP3hyi74c/w-d-xo.html

    • @godgunsandgoldens
      @godgunsandgoldens 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ChessArmyCommander Women’s chopping game doesn’t count.

    • @Eats_Flowers
      @Eats_Flowers 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@godgunsandgoldens Either woman in this video would put you in the dumpster.

    • @bryanwells4063
      @bryanwells4063 ปีที่แล้ว

      id watch joo sae hyuk gionnis lacks the forhand chop in his game you can see he loses many point from being too agressive with his forehand or just being to predictable with the forehand, he hits into the net or too high and gets a smash he cant defend, playing safer is usually better for defenders especially at amatuer league like me, obviously it higher levels you need to take risks but I feel like Joo's playstyle is one to strive for gionnis is a bit of an odity

    • @rayc7914
      @rayc7914 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bryanwells4063 yeah I agree, he is predictable. I think Gionis lacks aggressive forehand loop fundamentals as well. When he attacks with his forehand he seems to want to guarantee the ball over the net so he spins it into a high arc, but the lack of forward momentum (which brings risk as you said) means he is always vulnerable to counters or balance shifting. The Chinese are able to have their forehand loops at a fast pace so that the opponent has less time to react while also generating enough topspin to get the ball over the net, and Gionis is unable to do that which is quite a large hole in his technique

  • @LeTDDswag
    @LeTDDswag 8 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    What a match from Gionis he was like a wall, he's a bit like a good wine, at 35-36 he seems better than he ever was.
    But I think it's also due to Samsonov's relative lack of power, he has a good placement but can't really choke Gionis like the Chinese do against defenders for example, so the rallies are very long and it's tiring for Vladi...

  • @qazwsxa1029
    @qazwsxa1029 8 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Wow! I haven't seen Samsonov lose to a chopper in ages! Amazing game (plus some luck) by Gionis

    • @qazwsxa1029
      @qazwsxa1029 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Green Light Transport A LITTLE luck, Gionis didn't win the match by coin flip. However, he won the first set on a net at 11-7, and got an un-returnable net and an edge ball in the third, which he won 11-8. The last two sets were deuces. This 4-1 isn't the same as Ma Long's decisive 4-1 victory over Samsonov in the German Open this year, at least 3 of the sets Gionis won could have gone either way with a lucky ball or two for Samsonov.

  • @sergtennisks
    @sergtennisks 8 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The monotone servise and not enough strong forehand did not give advantages to Samsonov.

  • @96JW77
    @96JW77 8 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    If Samsonov was a chopper (defender), he would play like Gionis

  • @topspin4456
    @topspin4456 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Wonderful , beautiful table tennis on the highest level with one of the most elegant player of all time, Vladimir Samsonov, and the Greek wall Panagiotis Gionis with his wonderful variations.
    I hope, that this "old" players Vladimir, Panagiotis and Timo will play as long as possible.
    They are the good old wine of the international table tennis. Phantastic.

  • @charliexiong1787
    @charliexiong1787 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    These two tween tower guys just quit from basket ball team.

  • @knotwilg3596
    @knotwilg3596 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Last set Samsonov was clearly exhausted, mentally and physically. It's not easy to play a chopper when he has a good day. And indeed Samsonov seems to lack the power to take advantage of the softer returns.

    • @ktosomcosom19
      @ktosomcosom19 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sorry for a late reply (just 6 year-late, so hopefully it's fine). Samsonov did seem physically not alright here, perhaps he had a cold/flu. Normally, he has the power when he needs it to finish the point, and is extremely consistent with placement and extremely good reading of the spin that can frustrate even the most patient defensive players. Joo Se-Hyuk chose Samsonov as the player who is hardest to play against.

  • @GGun1t
    @GGun1t 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Unexpected 0_0 well congrats to Gionis. Its ok Vlady, you're still going to the Olympics :)

    • @Alex_Averin_TT
      @Alex_Averin_TT 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      He's not 😞

    • @Alex_Averin_TT
      @Alex_Averin_TT 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +YourMaster86 actually, he can qualify based on his world ranking which is odd yet really nice.

  • @ottoparts789
    @ottoparts789 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Samsonov let gionis go from the table to far all the time, allowing him to play how he wanted. If you notice, gionis would back up then loop to samsonovs backhand and every time made that shot. Crazy match

  • @rayc7914
    @rayc7914 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Gionis has a simple and beautiful style. Maybe it is a bit too simple and him lacking some forehand fundamentals made him unable to contest the Chinese, but I always enjoyed watching him

  • @zazenforever4940
    @zazenforever4940 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lets just say it, Panagiotis played great. I know at times it is difficult to say that a "chopper" beat an "offensive" player, but that is what occurred. I could be wrong, but there does seem to be a certain amount of looking down on defenders (of all types) from the general table tennis community. I dont understand it as there are many, many styles of play in this sport, yet somehow unless someone "offensive" it is considered to be an inferior style.. Strange.

  • @Tryzerlol
    @Tryzerlol 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Unreal how much luck Panagiotis has throughout the match. I prolly would've gone apeshit in Samsonovs spot long ago

  • @lightmobile
    @lightmobile 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow Gionis was in the zone!!

  • @FILIPeeeK
    @FILIPeeeK 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    WHAT A MATCH!!!!!

  • @arildbrkke3918
    @arildbrkke3918 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gionis has little unforced errors, and keeps calm and plays his game, entertaining match and a strong win for him. Har to play against, he also does some surprise twiddles :)

  • @pukulu
    @pukulu 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    big win for Gionis. He seemed to be very sharp and more motivated than Samsonov.

  • @aa4362
    @aa4362 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    CLASH OF TITANS

  • @serjos27s
    @serjos27s 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Классный матч. Замучал Гионис Владимира. Время берет свое.

  • @แมวเหมียว-ฐ5ม
    @แมวเหมียว-ฐ5ม 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ่joosehyuk 2

  • @Listermintsluesh
    @Listermintsluesh 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such pure control from both these two and really great to watch too.

  • @ВсехЛюблю-ю3т
    @ВсехЛюблю-ю3т 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    intellectual game. impressive!

  • @ucnhtmenow1
    @ucnhtmenow1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I understand the sportmanshio in saying sorry when it hurts the meet it the edges of the table bit then again, it's just part of the game. It definitely wasn't purposely done.

  • @adry9898
    @adry9898 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is Samsonov out of Rio 2016?

    • @bluefirenoskillz2154
      @bluefirenoskillz2154 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Adrián Ferreira Bermúdez Samsonov will be in cause of his world ranking

  • @ucnhtmenow1
    @ucnhtmenow1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know what it is but there's something about Vladimir I don't like but it's still fun to watch his amazing skills.

  • @bytheswor150
    @bytheswor150 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    great match from gionis. it seemed that in the first 2.5 sets samsonov has a tactic which is attacking to gionis' backhand and then slightly pushing him to the middle knowing his is going to use his backhand there, and I guess the rest was attacking stronger to his backhand side. however it didn't really work since each time samsonov attacked slightly too far to his FH side, gionis attacked so sharply samsonov didn't return almost any of those. not to mention what happened when samsonov just attacked his FH side. afterwards I think his main tactic was to attack and then push shortly which worked better, but still not quite did the job due to samsonov lack of power. with less power gionis didn't get very far from the table there had an easier time returning those short balls quite low and spinny and because of that he didn't have to get much faraway from the table in order to chop.
    both these tactics are very popular against choppers and they usually work, I guess with the lack of power samsonov couldn't quite control the game as he should against chopper

  • @ПавелНик-р7е
    @ПавелНик-р7е 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Красивая игра. Но с греком играть в таком стиле... Ну уже не те годы. Самсонов еле тащит игру, отыгрывая каждый мяч лишь бы исполнить, никакой динамики и комбинации.

  • @ChessArmyCommander
    @ChessArmyCommander 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You get the right person playing the modern defensive style, and they can beat *anybody* .

  • @LAMBOMETS
    @LAMBOMETS 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Samsonov is too soft here

    • @Cornerer1
      @Cornerer1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      then you should watch how Zoran Primorac outplayed choppers all the time with even less power.

    • @serendipity5874
      @serendipity5874 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Cornerer1 Zoran primorac didn't play till he was 45. Vladi is 40 here.

  • @CrazyHynter
    @CrazyHynter 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    The crowd is clapping too fucking much, I don't even know how the players concentrate.......They should be clapping on a hard point, not after every single one, for 10 fucking seconds.

    • @kirihara147
      @kirihara147 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      lol, most of time they are clapping for another couple, there is a lot of couples playing at the same place at the same time, how could you not notice it...

  • @ВикторМ-в6э
    @ВикторМ-в6э 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Стареет Володя...

  • @Kovalainenn
    @Kovalainenn 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sorry for Samsonow, does he still has chance to come through?

  • @바람과돌
    @바람과돌 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    헐 수비형선수 득점하고 '좋아'라고하는건가???

  • @maizenblue2441
    @maizenblue2441 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looked like the Panagiotis guy was just playing passive waiting for unforced errors. Good strategy, terrible entertainment.

    • @angeloskoulas2157
      @angeloskoulas2157 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's the whole philosophy behind modern defence: play a disruptive, passive game trying to find an opportunity to attack when it's best for you. Notable advocates for that style are Chen Weixing, Joo Se Hyuk and Panagiotis Gionis

  • @marinpetrov629
    @marinpetrov629 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Match .Well DOne to Pangiotis .Btw what is he Chopping with ?Is it Faint Long ?

    • @sjjapp
      @sjjapp 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Marin Petrov Butterfly Feint Long II 1.1mm

  • @sfiris22
    @sfiris22 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    fantastic play by Gionis. bravo!

  • @brahms008
    @brahms008 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whaou, great performance !

  • @Alex_Averin_TT
    @Alex_Averin_TT 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm sooo sad....Samsonov's performance costed him the Olympics. And he rarely loses to Gionis too. Gionis did play well though.

    • @GeniusTableTennis
      @GeniusTableTennis 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Vladi is already qualified...

    • @Alex_Averin_TT
      @Alex_Averin_TT 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +GeniusTableTennis no, he did not qualify. He will have to qualify based on his world ranking. In that case I think he still will qualify, cause I just read that on TTD's site, but I was worried for a second.

    • @GeniusTableTennis
      @GeniusTableTennis 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +YourMaster86 Yes, he is definitely qualified because of his world ranking :)

  • @owen7342
    @owen7342 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    first

  • @Haiman9
    @Haiman9 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pana thinks he won the olympics by beating a 40 year old samsonov.

    • @bluefirenoskillz2154
      @bluefirenoskillz2154 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Haiman9 A 40 year old Samsonov is the nr. 8 of the world and he qualified for rio with that match, so why so mad boy?

    • @marakixd6203
      @marakixd6203 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haiman's TV panagiotis is 36 so what are you talking about?

  • @recanterc7754
    @recanterc7754 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are the new balls better for choppers?

    • @riujithetechnician
      @riujithetechnician 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      a lot of people say that you need more power for this ball to generate spin. So if you already have good power on your spin, there shouldn't be too much problem

    • @sjjapp
      @sjjapp 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Reduced speed helps for sure, but spin is a defenders ally. Heavy backspin and variation in spin is essential for defenders. Numerous interviews with guys like Joo Se Hyuk back this up, that the new ball is another change in the sport that negatively affects defenders.

  • @JazzyJesterTechPing
    @JazzyJesterTechPing 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I dont like to win from others errors..

    • @DoN253
      @DoN253 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +jazzyjester then you shouldnt play table tennis

    • @JazzyJesterTechPing
      @JazzyJesterTechPing 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +DoN253
      I know how to win my point, only cowards win from defence.

    • @GUSTAVOPINGPONG
      @GUSTAVOPINGPONG 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      When you attack and win points you are making points from others errors. He couldnt block your topspin, was his error, he could not read your heavy topspins' spin, was his error too. So put how you want to put it, every time you make a point in this sport is because the other guys error.

    • @beanburritocs
      @beanburritocs 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +jazzyjester lol. how is defense cowardly? you have to stand up to your opponent's attack. if you miss your loop against my chop its no different from me missing my chop against your loop.

    • @JazzyJesterTechPing
      @JazzyJesterTechPing 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its different, I try to win the point by me attacking and making the point depend on myself and you try to live from my mistakes , you just return and return until I make a mistake. Its like to play with myself against a defender, defender is like mosquito, suck all your blood until you have no power.