Imagine Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and then Americans started complaining "Woah, you have you fight this war on American soil, not in the foreign territories conquered by Japan or on Japanese soil! We were invaded so we gotta fight it here! Let's not escalate!"
This is what we Poles have been saying for years - You can truly negotiate with Russia only from a position of strength. If the Russians sit down to negotiate in any other setting, it is only because they know that these negotiations will end positively for them.
and what wrong did Putin towards Poland ? nothing, its Poland poking Russia in Ukraine...this is just a war of propaganda how Russia is bad, but true is its collective west provoking Russia, even this war happened because of west
@@steveroufas1938 Most Poles now living in Canada fled there from the Russians during the Soviet era . What Poland is doing regarding Ukraine is nothing more than the result of our experience with Russia over the centuries. The weaker Russia is, the safer we will feel in our country. Because few Poles believe in any democratic turn in Russia - what would be the best solution... for Poles and Russians.
@@steveroufas1938 It's obvious that you don't know the history of Poland, Russia or Ukraine - otherwise you wouldn't have written something so ridiculous. Communism entered Poland on Soviet tanks - without them it would never have caught on in Poland .Communism in Poland is nothing else than the time of Russian domination. Communism itself, the Soviet one, is nothing more than another mask put on by Russian imperialism. What happened in 2014 was nothing more than a rebellion of Ukrainians tired of Russian domination that kept their country in poverty and corruption. Peaceful rebellion - until Russia felt a threat to its interests and did what it always does in such situations - it used violence.
Russia agreed with and abide by the Minsk Accords. Ukrainian puppets, and NATO did not. They used the accords to fool Russia and the world. Russia and Ukraine were about to sign a piece agreement just a couple of months after the beginning of the conflict. NATO (US and UK) killed the piece talks! Don't try to rewrite history. US-led NATO is the root cause of the problem here. Not Ukraine or Russia!
It's not "confusing and anemic". It's strictly and knowingly pro-Moscow. All those who try to slow down everything in terms of helping Ukraine or in terms of punishing Russia are the people of Moscow. Yes, that's how many of them we have here.
Why did he fail to mention that russians dont have a problem with war being fought on their soil...as long as its not a proxy war for nato...which it currently is. Why should russia accept ukraine fighting with nato help when russia didnt do anything to nato?
@@KolyaUrtz sure, each nation state is legitimized based on the story of "the nation". similarly, entities such as the Soviet Union or the European Union legitimizations are based on other "narratives" as the kids call ideologies nowadays.
@@guilima2757 The point is that Russia today is much weaker than when it was the USSR. It does not hold Ukraine, for example, who have proven utterly determined in protecting their country, as the poorest country in Europe in a fight against the largest country on planet Earth.
Yes, and as I know in USA was used word russians not soviet. In USSR it was used word soviets astronauts and in USA it was translated as russian astronauts.
To the contrary, individuals AND their personally perceived, identified, or operating ingroups, function quite logically, FOR THEIR OWN expressed, implied, or covert advancement, success, dominance. This can supersede ANY other loyalties, and in the case of, for example, the antinational, anti-inclusive, and pro-theocracy, elements comprising the US republican party. Consider that limited, ad hoc coalition well, to undersand the logic of spdcific activities. Many of these agreed-upon tactics do run counter to the US long-term best interests, to the functions of actual democratic structure, and enter into severe error due tothe differing goals of extraordinarily coalitional funding of specific oligarchs, whose goals remain personal, liquid as to coalitional participation and existence. Many of the implicit agreements exist SOLELY as utilitarian tools for establishing social dominance by the separate individuals and parties to that coalition. The logic IS CLEAR and VISIBLE.
All he saud was the West won't attack Moscow cause it's afraid. The Tali were supplied with Russian equipment from Pakistan, but the US did bomb Islamabad.
The USA did not understand that Ukraine was a high-tech corner of the USSR. Much of the rocket and aviation development was done in Ukraine. So they are still capable of building missiles and turbo engines. In the USSR development and production were mostly split. The development happened in the center towns like Moskow, St. Peterburg, and Kijev, whereas the production was done somewhere away from the borders.
Are you kidding? 😂😂😂😂. In all American high-tech corporations, there are former Russian Rocket Scientists but none of Ukrainians. At least I did not meet anyone for 33 years.
@@mishaknopkin2199 Because the US needed some time to distinguish between Russians and Ukrainians. As in the Soviet system engineering bureaus and factories were split, locating the developers was difficult. You are suffering from Putinitis and cannot distinguish between Russians and Ukrainians. The developers were located in the large towns, whereas the factories often worked in the east far away from the borders. The westernmost oblasts belonged to the Habsburg Empire until 1918, and to the re-established Poland until 1939. The population was then called Ruthenians as well as their language. In contrast to that the eastern part of Ukraine was called 'Small Russia' in the 19th century. But that is far away from the USA.
Yeah, I think you're right. But I think that's a problem too. Ukraine now can produce rocket, drone and many other new weapons. Potentially now the Ukrainians are a competitor in the production of weapons for the US and Europe. I'm not sure but in future if Ukraine survive at this war, they become a great weapons producers. I think Western arms manufacturers would prefer Ukraine to disappear
@@kelcritube That's the discrepancy. Western weapons industry would appreciate it if both disappeared. Then only China would remain as an alternative. The war of attrition goes in this direction: The one who suffers a bit less will win the war unless the USA enters the battlefield as a decision-maker like in both World Wars.
@@mishaknopkin2199 perhaps the answer to that question is that you are not omniscient and should work on your object permanence - which most babies master in their first year of life. Just because you personally did not see something does not mean it does not exist.
He is wrong. We West has done everything it can and then some to try and get Ukraine a dirty victory and the only they they have succeeded in is getting hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians killed. If NATO wants to defeat Russia it will have to use its own forces and not hide behind a proxy and even then we will just get a nuclear exchange. The whole premise of inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia hinges on the Ukrainians being able to militarily drive the Russians out with a decisive victory and then join NATO. From there NATO would arm Ukraine like Israel #2 and start covert destabilization campaigns into Russia to try and "decolonize" the Russian Federation and shatter into potential puppet states. Russia called the bluff and mobilized and now Ukraine will find out what Germany found out during WW2 about the resolve of the Russian people. Every day Ukraine does not capitulate is another day Ukraine becomes smaller until one day there will be no Ukraine left.
Also... Russia has for a long time used foreign missiles to hit Ukrainian territory (from Iran and NK). Why then can't Ukraina use foreign missiles to hit Russian territory?
Because Russia have satelites, Ukraine does not. Ukraine uses US satelites. If US satelite navigate US missiles, where is Ukraine in that? It is US attacking Russia. Edicate yourself how does modern systems works.
The war still goes on mostly because of Apple's money and companies kept in China. Russia had no resources to keep it this long. Half the funds and resources are from China. But the US can't slap CCP because they have too big businesses together. Apple. Also, the West is completely saturated with Russian intelligence. There are 3% of Moscow agents in NATO's high ranks! Up to 10% in the high echelons of the EU. Those are mild estimations.
I disagree in part. The Americans can easily accept the idea that wars are entirely fought on foreign soil because it’s basically unfathomable to most Americans that war could ever take place inside the United States that wasn’t a civil war of our own making. Thus it was actually quite easy to trick the minds of Americans into thinking this way. Unconscious sympathy. Americans lost their collective minds when war was finally brought to our lands (9/11). Also Russia has zero capability to negotiate “sincerely”. For Russia there is only ever a ceasefire. They will do their best to rebuild and try again.
Yikes. Bad take. Not sure why you would say that. Our White House was burned down during the War of 1812 (along with a good portion of Washington D.C.), and the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor was what finally dragged us into World War 2. Common knowledge amongst those Americans who didn't sleep through middle school History class.
I seem to recall that the UK invaded the US in 1814, and burned the White House (along with other government buildings.) In Dec 1941 the Japanese invaded, and captured, US territories (Philippines, Wake Island.) In 1942, Japan invaded Alaska and wasn't kicked out until 1943. The current attitude towards "conflict containment" arises from fear of war with another nuclear power, and the belief (however unfounded) that all nations want to keep wars confined in scope. In one sense that's quite understandable, but what it broadcasts to all the third world countries is that they need to become nuclear powers. However, I completely agree with the statement that for ruzzia there is only ceasefires, to allow them the chance to rebuild and try again. Their violation of treaties they've signed is never ending.
1. You missed the part where no russian ever had a problem with ukraine fighting on russian soil. 2. Why should russia accept nato helping ukraine fight on russian soil when russia didnt touch nato? 3. Last claim is so baseless and dehumanizing its insane.
...how is it the best? He literally said bunch of nonsense. He doesnt even understand that russia has no problem with ukraine fighting on russian soil...problem is with what help and weapons. Why should russia accept nato helping ukraine on russian soil when russia didnt attack or do anything to nato?
@@KolyaUrtzyou’re the one, who is talking nonsense. Russia has no any rights to accept or decline anything related to Ukraine. They cannot decide for Ukrainians, cannot control and cannot interfere. But somehow they decide that they can and invaded a peaceful neighbor country.
@@MaksymS-t5s Unfortunately for Ukraine, their government have used Ukraine's right to decide for themselves, and they chose "we want NATO", Russia will not accept that, and Ukraine knew this right from the beginning, anyway they took on the risk of a Russian attach. Does Russia have the right to decide what other countries should do? No is the answer. Does America have the right to decide what other countries should do? No is the answer. Does China have the right to decide what other countries should do? No is the answer. It's just so that countries that think they have power also often think that there are certain things in other countries they want to influence, be it missiles in Cuba, or NATO in Ukraine, it's not fair that they exercise this influence, but there is not much we other little ones can do about that, when the big bullies want to bullie, they do so, no matter if it is fair/legal/acceptable or not.
Timothy Snyder has always been very insightful and eye-opening. His book Bloodlands is a must read for anyone interested in Eastern Europe and why the Ukrainias are fighting so bloody hard against Russia. They have truly, utterly and permanently broken up with Russia for very good reasons. Russia has no friends, it has only victims and partners in crime.
Timothy Snyder's books give a twisted version of history, mostly serving the political goals of U.S. neocons, and they have little to do with the truth. I bought one of his books and honestly wish I could get my money back. His videos are full of historical mistakes, and that’s probably why he disables comments. His students aren't really encouraged to criticize his lectures either. If you want to learn the real history of Russia and Ukraine, you should read the old Kievan Rus and Galician chronicles-I have a copy in my library. I’ve read them and highly recommend them to anyone. A simple fact, like the thousands of former Ukrainians now fighting on the Russian side, which Snyder completely ignores in his videos, says a lot.
@@TheAlopolo Thats a very intellectual comment. I appreciate the opinions of educated and informed people. Thank you. Unfortunately they are unable to give me anything due to the hundreds sanctions imposed on Russian banks. liquor stores and other institutions.
Ichkeria, Tatarstan, Bashkortastan, Udmurtia, Ingria, Tuva, Buriatia, Yakutia, and so on must be free. The West had never recognized The Baltic states as a part of russia, so these countries also must not be recognized as a part of russia and must be recongnized as occupied territory by moscow-terrorist state. Greetings from Kazan, Tatarstan.
The imperial practices of russia forcibly internally displacing, supplanting with muscovite language ( notably only about 60% similar to Ukrainian, Polish, Belarusian, which 3 show past similarity up to 90% and beyond with each other, pointing to being separate from the muscovian russian) and biased education, presently has fragmented the regions mentioned. The human brain, evolved to be obligatorily social, extends its perception of group identity of identity to early-learned ingroup identity. Perceived loyalties, and identity is difficult to overcome and is causal in our common facultative betrayals, whenever emotions may induce some perception of better likelihood of social advancement. Stalin and others outright murdered those who exhibited identity differing from muscovite -- see the immediate rounding up of Ukrainkan folkmusicians in the late 1920s, as well as the far longer persecution pf Ashkenazi Jewish population, and sl many smaller group identities, such as Crimean Tatar, to begin to understand only the active intentionally pursued atrocious formation and maintenance of empire.
@@incognitotorpedo42 I do get that...but that isn't what's happening in Ukraine. It's a multi decade brewing both ethnic(Rus and ukr) and geopolitical (Rus and the west) conflict where Russian reasons for attacking are so incredibly both unique and important that it doesn't exist anywhere else. If global Israels empire(America and Europe are vassals of Israel) didn't overthrow ukr government in 2014 and change it in to a anti Russian hostile state...none of this would have ever happened. How far is global banking system allowed to push and corner Russia before Russia retaliates?
Great points! This is good to see people trying to explain the difference in how we view Russia to what it is REALLY like! Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦 love from the UK 🇬🇧
Why not explain how the Russian empire is different from the US empire? Also explained how Ukraine will survive as a US colony? Remember, the US got Cuba from the Spanish after the Spanish US War. How did that one end???
Questions answered: 1. The USA stopped invading its neighbors a long time ago. Russia didn't. 2. Ukraine isn't a US colony, never was. Ukraine is fighting not to be a Russian vassal state-thus for its own independence. Also as a historical note, I think Spain handed Cuba to the USA as it was about to lose against a rebellion there.
@@pplr1 US stopped invading its neighbours long time ago, cause they moved to invading countries all over the globe. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria - all recent examples. On the second point, Ukraine does not own any of its land anymore - the US corporations do. Plus Ukraine is soo in depths to the US( no free help there) that their children and great great grand children will not be able to repay the debt to the US. This is the modern day colonial rule. Not through occupation but by financial slavery.
@pplr1 the US stopped invading its neighbors? What was the invasion of Panama then? And instead of invading it neighbour's nowdays it is invading countries around the globe... Syria and Afganustan anyone? Ukraine is whole owned and ginancialy supported by the US. How is it not a colony? Most of the land and industry was dold our by Zely the Clown to US corporations... And Spain just handing Cuba to the US? Are you serious? Why was there a war?? Nice try of revisionist history...
I might misunderstand this point but it’s not imperial thinking, the reason why the US and NATO doesn’t target Russia with ballistic missiles is because NATO and the US is NOT at war with Russia and doing this would be categorised as an act of war. If the US wants to declare war, then a legitimate strategy would be to target Russian military assets. However, the big problem with this is Russian NUCLEAR deterrence.
He won't cos John wipe wipe the lavatory with him. John has been available to ALL from NY to Shanghai but Snyder is always nowhere to be seen. There's a reason.
Thank you for the hearing, the streaming, and huge thanks to Prof. Snyder for his intellectual depth and moral clarity, and also eloquence. Fully subscribe to what he's said here. Deeply appreciated, from Kyiv, Ukraine.
The Yale professor has just eloquently verbalised a conclusion regarding Russia, based upon his learning and personal experience. My own 'common sense' has been telling me for months that Ukraine should be given every assistance, and Russia must not be allowed to be victorious. Ukraine should be invited into the European Union, and at the same time given the opportunity to join NATO. Russia, with Putin as the leader, is very dangerous for the world order, and he needs to be contained. Compared to Russia, China is prowling tiger, dangerous, but will negotiate. China, above all, wishes to trade - upon its own terms ! That's a problem.
china needs to negotiate coz its not autonomous as 99% of countries - russia is fully and its endlessly rich considering any war spendings, therefore any geopolitical question should be talked about 10000000000 over and over and over, but we live in a world that didnt appear yesterday - aka "u say russia invaded that but didnt you invade something before etc etc" thats why russia is actually the biggest threat to western economic wellbeing since it has the least things to lose arguing
Wishful thinking 😅😅😅wars never to be predicted, tells us what to given, Ukraine cannot operate weapons that the US or Europe given without their personal and satellite to be operated, One point when the US NATO invaded irag, Did Russia and China supply weapons to Irag to defend itself, and Ukraine was not part of NATO and committed troops in Irag Ukraine don't you know the US and NATO invaded Irag illegally lying lying lying have you condemned the US What's goes around comes around This world was not built for the Western countries to controlled do what they want and nobody can't do the same you are out of touch with reality, Your country is destroyed , even given all that you wanted you will not force Russia to come to the table stupid accessment Once how many countries send money weapons, what's is the outcome nothing Striking deep into Russia what do you think Russia sit and say let's talk peace, hope this guy is a military expert 😅😅😅 hope not 😅😅😅 The US don't wins war they created havoc and and ran way history shows Peace chance you have at that time should have been taken but bojo bojo from UK send by the jankeys no,fight to the last Ukrainian, your backers don't have enough weapons to be given, Russia has demilitarised NATO and Ukraine, there's no wonder weapons again,if there's one it's will be knock out and other wonder weapon given
@@EduardO-gm7hx well russia doesnt plan on using nukes on ukraine now does it? even after ukraine has been firing rockets into their territory, conducting targeted assassinations, droning oil and gas plants, and also now invading directly on russian soil forcing over 300,000 people to relocate.... it seems like its unclear what putins red line is, or would you say everything is going according to plan? why doenst russia step up the aggression? or dont tell me u think they are being ethical lol
@@watupppl3 Because it would mean the US is at war with Russia, and therefore would have to get boots on the ground. The US (and 32 member states of NATO) have been waging their "Proxy war" and economic war against Russia for 3 years now, and have gotten absolutely nowhere. All those "wonder weapons" have not worked. That's why it's a bad idea. Here's a video you might also find interesting. th-cam.com/video/s2nqnM1C-mU/w-d-xo.html Regards.
@@watupppl3 I did reply, but for some reason it appears to have been taken down. Basically, because at that point, it would mean the US are at war with Russia, and the Pentagon don't want any of that.
Truth is plain and simple, Russia is kicking ass in Ukraine's eastern territory. The real truth is that NATO, the USA/EU is using the Ukranian territiory as it's personal battle ground with Ukranian lives on the field of battle. This guy Snyder is full of crap.
Prof. Snyder says at one point, "the idea that when you invade a country the entire war must take placce on the territory of the country you've invaded. No one has ever said that before." While Professor Snyder is right, he is old enough to know better. The Korean war, the Vietnam war, the war in Afghanistan are all examples of where the US (or UN in case of Korea) constrained itself to fighting only in the country that was invaded. The US considered North and South Korea two parts of Korea. When China entered the war, the US would not take action in China to stop the flow of weapons and men. Now there is a stalemate - NO PEACE TREATY HAS EVER BEEN SIGNED between the two Koreas. Only a cease fire. While fighting in Vietnam the US bombed North Vietnam, and briefly made incursions into Cambodia and Laos - to fight North Vietnamese invaders there, they stayed out of North Vietnam. The US gave up there. In the Afghanistan war, most of the Taliban homeland is in Pakistan, which country's good will the US depended on to ship thousands of tons of supplies to Afghanistan, and so the US could never invade or even bomb those Taliban territories.
That's the point it's doesn't work when you trying to keep the war in one country hoping it doesn't spill out into a next. It just create a long war and even more bloodshed.
Wait a minute, youi're telling me that the Vietnamese invaded Vietnam? Vietnam was a crime against humanity and not a good example of a country acting purely in defensive self interest - - this is what Tim Snyder means by the US accepting implicitly the Moscow imperial narrative! It does so through normalising its past atrocities as well! It plays the game of big powers that can run smaller ones! How can we break out of this viscious escalation between two world super power nations unable to tell the morality of why imperial domination of others is bad??!!!
Despite the very attractive hand movements much of what this man said was tosh.The USA is desperate to keep the war in Ukraine and so are the Europeans.
The first couple of minutes of this video are so very true! The history of russia was what I learned as a student in the 60's. Timothy Snyder has hit the nail squarely on the head with this assessment. Awesome video! Thank you.
At the start of this war the Ukrainians had to school us in the West to stop referring to their country as "The Ukraine" - Russian appellation designed to diminish the country and its people to an insignificant sub-region of "Greater Russia"
It tickles me pink that Russia supporters thought Ukraine is obligated to keep the war within their own borders, and that the invaders' country should be free from consequences.
And what are you going to say when Russia drops a nuke? Do you think USA would put up with being invaded? We didn't even want nukes 90 miles away from us.
@@tradeprosper5002 Because it would be okay for the US to resist an invasion, but God forbid Ukraine do the same, right? And please, stop with the "nukes, nukes" line. Every time your hero Putin gets humiliated, you always go back to that hopeless prayer. You just sound desperate 😅.
@@MrSlanderer I remember Cuba and Kennedy so your take on nuclear war does make me desperate at your ignorance. Russia confrontation could get easily elevated and Putin is not my hero. Ukraine is not a nuclear power and is paying the price for being a Western proxy.
this guy for some reason is not talking about US promise of not extending NATO one inch to the east( unless NATO extension of one inch to the east would be violation of the promise but extension of 3-4 thousand miles is not due to being bigger then one inch). he is not talking unilateral withdrawal of the US from nuclear arms reduction treaties, nothing to say about cue d'etat in 2014 engineered by the US government (Victoria Nuland) , Minsk agreements from 2015, 13.000 Ukrainians killed in Donbas by the cue government in Kiev for the crime of not wanting to recognize over throwing legally elected president in 2012 Victor Yanukovic. I do not know where they find this characters. If there goal is to get better informed about problems in Ukraine they should not be talking to propagandists.
Russia was not losing in March 2022 and they negotiated. But then you- the US/UK in particular- thought you can win and continued the massacre. Also, Russia was not losing in 2014-2015 when they negotiated the Minsk Accords, a far better deal than today’s war, but again you- the West- used that as a ploy to “strengthen” Ukrainian Army - fact admitted by Poroshenko, Merkel, and Hollande. But now, you choose to forget all that and construct your argument in a way that it will support the decision to struck Russia with US missiles. These “professors” acting as influencers are the true criminals before this conflict. They twist logic and facts to make the point for their patrons.
Now put the shoe on the other foot. Can any country negotiate with the US Empire, except from a position of strength? These experts are so elementary in their thinking it is painful to watch.
Never fails, any video commenting on what is needed to deter Russian imperialism will have vatniks and useful idiots going on and on about "WELLL WHADDDAABOUTTTTT...?" We all know this trick of rhetoric and it's obvious. Redirection does not absolve anyone
In a year's time he'll be saying 'if only Trump had lost the election, Moscow would have been ours by now'... let him go, heck, give him a gun and boots - we can watch him triumphantly roll into the Red Square...
I think it is less about our having accepted Russian concepts of imperialism and more about concerns that if Russia's back is pressed too hard against the wall that they'll pop off some nukes. Which is something no one wants to see. This has caused the U.S. to be overly cautious about what it supplies Ukraine and how it allows Ukraine to use what has been supplied. If there was no nuclear threat, I don't think those restrictions would have even been considered, let alone imposed. Basically, the U.S. wants the Ukrainians to win, but not at the price of Russia opening the pandora's box of nuclear attacks, even small scale tactical nukes. However, I don't think that Ukraine can be or should be held back by those concerns. They need to prosecute the war in the way that seems most likely to gain them success. And if that means using their own weaponry, that they've developed and produced themselves, in attacks against the Russian heartland, they should do that.
In fact, due to Russia's violation of the terms of the Budapest Memorandum, we have every right to manufacture nuclear weapons, especially when we are constantly threatened with them.
@@Anddriiyy Russia doesnt threaten you with nukes, stop fearmongering. All russia did is war that if YOU attack russia you will be nuked...which all nuke possesing nations do. How hard is this to understand???
pretty sure russia attacked coz of complete inability of Ukraine government to do its job, 40% of gdp for 10+ years was a gas tax, they got countless loans which were excused countless times and loans still arent paid to this day (ukraine refused to pay them before 2014) with the further utterly disrespectful breakage of any cooperation and going to the point of oppressing any type or russian nationality within the country + heavily going towards russian competition with all of the investments they gained from russia
The USA don't want the Ukraine to win. They said very explicitly that they want Ukraine to be "defended to the last Ukrainian man." Does that sound like the Ukraine winning? They want to replace Putin, like they replaced Yeltsin. RAND suggested a number of possible ways to accomplish that, one of which is "a protracted war with the Ukraine." Of course it accomplished the opposite of what they wanted, as always. This video is supposed to justify an escalation of the war into Russia. Russia has a history of using precedents set by NATO, so it is also an open invitation to Russia to nuke the USA.
Snyder has very good understanding of the region and its people coupled with great skill to explain and present these ideas with a respectful moral lense.
as an eastern european myself, i concur. suffered through communism and soviet imperialism enough to not wish this upon future generations. russia has a delightful history and culture. within its borders. i prefer preserving my culture over one imposed upon me.
Current US goverment actually want to win the election not Ukrainia winning the war. Both candidates are playing the same role. One to keep the rainbow progresivve power in place and the other to make bussiness again. Europe and Ukrainia must understand that to create policy of no dependance in security from US.
I wish the Prof would be as eloquent in opposing "special military operations" carried by the West in places like Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. Otherwise, his staunch defence of Ukraine looks more and more like Russophobia. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Russia’s invasion in essence it's fundamentally no different from Western overreach in the Middle East or South East Asia unless you think only SMOs in Europe by a Big Power you dislike are unjustified.
Rather obvious difference I’m afraid. The ‘West’ never had the slightest intention to conquer, brutalise & absorb those countries you mention. Ill-judged as some of those ventures may have been, with sometimes dubious motives, they did non involve an intent, as is clear in Russia’s case in Ukraine, to deny those countries’ very existence.
@briansullivan5135 Over 3 million Vietnamese peasants died. Vietnam was bombed 3X as heavily as Nazi Germany. How many Vietnamese then could even point America on a map? Good intentions are not enough. Lots of evil is done around the world based on "good intentions". And you naively suggest the stated intentions of Western SMOs are the real intentions, when in fact they're just media spins to woo world public opinion. At least Russia is fighting a war across its border, and not 1000s of miles away from home, across vast oceans and against peoples whose languages they can't even understand. Russia is fighting a typical European war in Ukraine, while America has been fighting classic colonial wars against 'uncivilized tribes', with the best of intentions, of course.
@@ncheedxx0109 The USA did not attempt to *annex* Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, nor any other country in living memory. The most recent major territorial expansion of the United States was in 1867 when the US purchased (not annexed!) Alaska. Russia, however, has ACTUALLY annexed parts of Georgia and Ukraine just in the past 2 decades, not to mention the illegal Russian occupation of Moldovan territory since the 1990's.
@paulwarren9927 So waging an illegal war costing millions of lives and against a 3rd world country that poses no threat to the West can be excused because the aggressor does not intend to annex any territory. That's twisted logic. Sorry, but Russia's SMO in Ukraine makes more sense to me than America bloody adventurism in SE Asia and the Middle East. The professor would have more cred if his sense of outrage over Ukraine extended to senseless wars waged by the West outside Europe. As it is, he sounds more like a Prof Dick Cheney.
@@tayler2396 trolling? im only one here actually giving arguments and counter arguments while anyone i tried to debate just insults me... by all definitions of trolling ur the one trolling since you arent actually trying to argue but are just looking to insult the other guy
@@KolyaUrtz Look, we all saw Russia amass its army and invade Ukraine with plans to destroy it. Previously, we saw how Russia stole Crimea. We know that Russia started the insurgency and contributed little-green-men troops into the Donbas. We know that Russia poisoned people in our countries, arguably an act of war on our soil. We saw Russia force down a RyanAir commercial jet and kidnap a Russian oppostion leader. In short, we know what Putin's Russia is. You can play your games, try to muddy the waters, but it's not going to succeed, at least not on this forum.
Heh heh, I remember the media narrative at that time was that Russia's economy would consider in 6 weeks. Now he is trying to cope by saying he expected Russia to crush Ukraine. If that was the initial exp expectation, then the west should be celebrating today instead of panicking.
Silly. We accepted the idea that Ukraine couldn’t attack Russia on its own soil because we took Russia's nuclear threats seriously. The U.S. feared that crossing this red line would provoke a nuclear response, not because attacking Russia was unimaginable, but because a nuclear power like Russia had never been attacked on its own territory before. Real fear dictated this restraint, not a lack of will or principle.
@@KolyaUrtz How hard is it to understand that supplying military aid to Ukraine is not the same thing as NATO fighting Russia? Did the US fight the Vietcong in Vietnam, or did the US also fight the Soviets, Chinese, North Koreans, Cubans, and Khmer Rouge in Vietnam?
@@tayler2396 Everyone accepts that viet war was also a proxy war for ussr. No one ever said otherwise...and its completely different since that ussr help just defended vietnam and didnt attack the US mainland. Today nato fighting a proxy war in ukraine and indirectly attacking russia is just insane considering russia never touched nato or harmed it in any way. Its a one way war. Currently russia is justified nuking nato let alone if nato provides ukraine long range missiles and helps it destroy russian things deep in russia. Then especially.
Well said! I agree with his thesis. Historically, Kyiv was the first Ukrainian capital and approved by the Golden Horde. At that time Moscow was a small, rural village. Then there was a period where the Ukrainian Cossacks dominated. We should make Russia feel the war they started and make them support the 1994 agreement where they agreed to Ukraine's borders including Crimea.
@@dmitryletov8138 I do not pretend to be an expert on Eastern Europe. However Kyiv was founded around the 6th or 7th Centuries. Russia n the 12th Century. Rostov on Don in 18th Century. I was referring to the original Rus Capital. My point is that Ukraine was an independent kingdom 600 years before the Mongol invasion. The Russian Empire grew to become a major European power later in history.
This is all factual and true statements, but it still does not change the reality that Russia is on the right side of history and USA's obsession with war as a business has caused all these problems
What a load of bull they threw weapons into Ukraine within hours of the conflict. They showed aircraft coming and going into Ukraine delivery munitions live on the news
There are problem with taking a Ukrainian historical discourse, given how much of it is built on mythology and falsehoods. It saddens me deeply to see a professor of history to propagate false narratives. His logic rest on very tenuous assumptions that stem from his Russophobia, rather than unbiased judgement .
Extremely well said. I think another issue is that we are keeping Ukraine ahead just enough to feed the military- industrial complex and get them a 'W'.
Imagine Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and then Americans started complaining "Woah, you have you fight this war on American soil, not in the foreign territories conquered by Japan or on Japanese soil! We were invaded so we gotta fight it here! Let's not escalate!"
Now imagine that Japan has a nuclear triad and the US does not. Idiot.
Imagine America didn't have a Navy or industrial base necessary to wage war on Japan and your analogy would actually make sense.
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Yes. And there would be no nuclear triad.
But that's too complicated.
American education is lagging far behind.
@@reorioOrionright, russia has nukes, it can do whatever it wants. What's the next country you're willing to sacrifise?
@marklampton2792 well, there's no analogy, and it shows that something wrong with not letting Ukraine to strike back
This is what we Poles have been saying for years - You can truly negotiate with Russia only from a position of strength. If the Russians sit down to negotiate in any other setting, it is only because they know that these negotiations will end positively for them.
and what wrong did Putin towards Poland ? nothing, its Poland poking Russia in Ukraine...this is just a war of propaganda how Russia is bad, but true is its collective west provoking Russia, even this war happened because of west
This fact is the primary reason why a just peace must include making it impossible for Russia to ever do this sort of thing again in the future.
@@steveroufas1938 Most Poles now living in Canada fled there from the Russians during the Soviet era . What Poland is doing regarding Ukraine is nothing more than the result of our experience with Russia over the centuries. The weaker Russia is, the safer we will feel in our country. Because few Poles believe in any democratic turn in Russia - what would be the best solution... for Poles and Russians.
@@steveroufas1938 It's obvious that you don't know the history of Poland, Russia or Ukraine - otherwise you wouldn't have written something so ridiculous. Communism entered Poland on Soviet tanks - without them it would never have caught on in Poland .Communism in Poland is nothing else than the time of Russian domination. Communism itself, the Soviet one, is nothing more than another mask put on by Russian imperialism. What happened in 2014 was nothing more than a rebellion of Ukrainians tired of Russian domination that kept their country in poverty and corruption. Peaceful rebellion - until Russia felt a threat to its interests and did what it always does in such situations - it used violence.
Russia agreed with and abide by the Minsk Accords. Ukrainian puppets, and NATO did not. They used the accords to fool Russia and the world. Russia and Ukraine were about to sign a piece agreement just a couple of months after the beginning of the conflict. NATO (US and UK) killed the piece talks! Don't try to rewrite history. US-led NATO is the root cause of the problem here. Not Ukraine or Russia!
One of the best summaries of the West's confusing and anemic response to the War in Ukraine. Excellent.
It's not "confusing and anemic". It's strictly and knowingly pro-Moscow. All those who try to slow down everything in terms of helping Ukraine or in terms of punishing Russia are the people of Moscow.
Yes, that's how many of them we have here.
Yes
So try it please😂😂😂😂😂
you bros need to read more Sun Tsu and then you might understand what is going on
Why did he fail to mention that russians dont have a problem with war being fought on their soil...as long as its not a proxy war for nato...which it currently is. Why should russia accept ukraine fighting with nato help when russia didnt do anything to nato?
"Part of being an empire is controlling the discourse." So true. The Soviet Union was a story. Russia is a story. It's time to step back and reframe.
What exactly you’re trying to say? Hail to genocide of Russians or what?
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US doesnt control the discourse? what are you even talking about???
...by your logic what country isnt a story??? wtf are you talking about?
@@KolyaUrtz sure, each nation state is legitimized based on the story of "the nation". similarly, entities such as the Soviet Union or the European Union legitimizations are based on other "narratives" as the kids call ideologies nowadays.
I observed, on many visits to Russia, the West over estimated Russia's capabilities, and mixing USSR legacy as Russia today.
The USSR legacy isn't that great either! It collapsed, remember?
@@Evan490BC and... ? it's not today Russia :)
@@guilima2757 The USSR was a superpower, today's Russia is a Chinese subsidiary. You import drones from Iran FFS!
@@guilima2757 The point is that Russia today is much weaker than when it was the USSR. It does not hold Ukraine, for example, who have proven utterly determined in protecting their country, as the poorest country in Europe in a fight against the largest country on planet Earth.
Yes, and as I know in USA was used word russians not soviet. In USSR it was used word soviets astronauts and in USA it was translated as russian astronauts.
Thank you Professor Timothy Snyder. Far more logic than any Politician can come up with.
To the contrary, individuals AND their personally perceived, identified, or operating ingroups, function quite logically, FOR THEIR OWN expressed, implied, or covert advancement, success, dominance.
This can supersede ANY other loyalties, and in the case of, for example, the antinational, anti-inclusive, and pro-theocracy, elements comprising the US republican party.
Consider that limited, ad hoc coalition well, to undersand the logic of spdcific activities.
Many of these agreed-upon tactics do run counter to the US long-term best interests, to the functions of actual democratic structure, and enter into severe error due tothe differing goals of extraordinarily coalitional funding of specific oligarchs, whose goals remain personal, liquid as to coalitional participation and existence.
Many of the implicit agreements exist SOLELY as utilitarian tools for establishing social dominance by the separate individuals and parties to that coalition.
The logic IS CLEAR and VISIBLE.
@@briseboyIs that what we call BS?
empty platitudes and a false assertions
All he saud was the West won't attack Moscow cause it's afraid. The Tali were supplied with Russian equipment from Pakistan, but the US did bomb Islamabad.
@@briseboyExactly what I heard the other day on the bus.
The USA did not understand that Ukraine was a high-tech corner of the USSR. Much of the rocket and aviation development was done in Ukraine. So they are still capable of building missiles and turbo engines. In the USSR development and production were mostly split. The development happened in the center towns like Moskow, St. Peterburg, and Kijev, whereas the production was done somewhere away from the borders.
Are you kidding? 😂😂😂😂. In all American high-tech corporations, there are former Russian Rocket Scientists but none of Ukrainians. At least I did not meet anyone for 33 years.
@@mishaknopkin2199 Because the US needed some time to distinguish between Russians and Ukrainians.
As in the Soviet system engineering bureaus and factories were split, locating the developers was difficult. You are suffering from Putinitis and cannot distinguish between Russians and Ukrainians. The developers were located in the large towns, whereas the factories often worked in the east far away from the borders.
The westernmost oblasts belonged to the Habsburg Empire until 1918, and to the re-established Poland until 1939. The population was then called Ruthenians as well as their language. In contrast to that the eastern part of Ukraine was called 'Small Russia' in the 19th century.
But that is far away from the USA.
Yeah, I think you're right. But I think that's a problem too. Ukraine now can produce rocket, drone and many other new weapons. Potentially now the Ukrainians are a competitor in the production of weapons for the US and Europe. I'm not sure but in future if Ukraine survive at this war, they become a great weapons producers. I think Western arms manufacturers would prefer Ukraine to disappear
@@kelcritube That's the discrepancy. Western weapons industry would appreciate it if both disappeared. Then only China would remain as an alternative.
The war of attrition goes in this direction: The one who suffers a bit less will win the war unless the USA enters the battlefield as a decision-maker like in both World Wars.
@@mishaknopkin2199 perhaps the answer to that question is that you are not omniscient and should work on your object permanence - which most babies master in their first year of life. Just because you personally did not see something does not mean it does not exist.
I hope that this video gets millions of views
He is wrong. We West has done everything it can and then some to try and get Ukraine a dirty victory and the only they they have succeeded in is getting hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians killed. If NATO wants to defeat Russia it will have to use its own forces and not hide behind a proxy and even then we will just get a nuclear exchange. The whole premise of inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia hinges on the Ukrainians being able to militarily drive the Russians out with a decisive victory and then join NATO. From there NATO would arm Ukraine like Israel #2 and start covert destabilization campaigns into Russia to try and "decolonize" the Russian Federation and shatter into potential puppet states. Russia called the bluff and mobilized and now Ukraine will find out what Germany found out during WW2 about the resolve of the Russian people. Every day Ukraine does not capitulate is another day Ukraine becomes smaller until one day there will be no Ukraine left.
It will be suppressed
Like it, comment on it, share it and save it to your Favorites playlist to get it to more people.
@@Puleczech Yes! 💯 I did all of it.
I don't agree, so why share it.
Also... Russia has for a long time used foreign missiles to hit Ukrainian territory (from Iran and NK). Why then can't Ukraina use foreign missiles to hit Russian territory?
well, there is a pact agreement between Hitler and Stalin! Sorry, Putin and Biden or otherwise it's hard to tell who is worse
Why can't they? Nobody knows why, but it's never questioned. Until today. Hopefully this changes everything!
Where's your proof?!
Because Russia have satelites, Ukraine does not.
Ukraine uses US satelites. If US satelite navigate US missiles, where is Ukraine in that?
It is US attacking Russia.
Edicate yourself how does modern systems works.
The war still goes on mostly because of Apple's money and companies kept in China. Russia had no resources to keep it this long.
Half the funds and resources are from China. But the US can't slap CCP because they have too big businesses together. Apple.
Also, the West is completely saturated with Russian intelligence. There are 3% of Moscow agents in NATO's high ranks! Up to 10% in the high echelons of the EU. Those are mild estimations.
I disagree in part. The Americans can easily accept the idea that wars are entirely fought on foreign soil because it’s basically unfathomable to most Americans that war could ever take place inside the United States that wasn’t a civil war of our own making. Thus it was actually quite easy to trick the minds of Americans into thinking this way. Unconscious sympathy. Americans lost their collective minds when war was finally brought to our lands (9/11).
Also Russia has zero capability to negotiate “sincerely”. For Russia there is only ever a ceasefire. They will do their best to rebuild and try again.
Yikes. Bad take. Not sure why you would say that. Our White House was burned down during the War of 1812 (along with a good portion of Washington D.C.), and the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor was what finally dragged us into World War 2. Common knowledge amongst those Americans who didn't sleep through middle school History class.
I seem to recall that the UK invaded the US in 1814, and burned the White House (along with other government buildings.) In Dec 1941 the Japanese invaded, and captured, US territories (Philippines, Wake Island.) In 1942, Japan invaded Alaska and wasn't kicked out until 1943. The current attitude towards "conflict containment" arises from fear of war with another nuclear power, and the belief (however unfounded) that all nations want to keep wars confined in scope. In one sense that's quite understandable, but what it broadcasts to all the third world countries is that they need to become nuclear powers. However, I completely agree with the statement that for ruzzia there is only ceasefires, to allow them the chance to rebuild and try again. Their violation of treaties they've signed is never ending.
Also about 911, some hints on the roots are pointing towards the kremlin.
1. You missed the part where no russian ever had a problem with ukraine fighting on russian soil.
2. Why should russia accept nato helping ukraine fight on russian soil when russia didnt touch nato?
3. Last claim is so baseless and dehumanizing its insane.
What if Russia gave missiles to Syria which it then launched to USA. That’s what he is saying.
Where to watch all of Snyder's portion of the session? I would like to watch more, but I would like to see everything Tim says.
It's right here on YT
@@RuslanKvitnevyi Then add the link
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Thank you Prof. Snyder! At least one person truly understands the history of Ukraine and its consequences.
Was there any history in here. I didn't hear any back story...
...how is it the best? He literally said bunch of nonsense. He doesnt even understand that russia has no problem with ukraine fighting on russian soil...problem is with what help and weapons. Why should russia accept nato helping ukraine on russian soil when russia didnt attack or do anything to nato?
@@KolyaUrtzyou’re the one, who is talking nonsense.
Russia has no any rights to accept or decline anything related to Ukraine. They cannot decide for Ukrainians, cannot control and cannot interfere.
But somehow they decide that they can and invaded a peaceful neighbor country.
@@MaksymS-t5s Unfortunately for Ukraine, their government have used Ukraine's right to decide for themselves, and they chose "we want NATO", Russia will not accept that, and Ukraine knew this right from the beginning, anyway they took on the risk of a Russian attach.
Does Russia have the right to decide what other countries should do? No is the answer. Does America have the right to decide what other countries should do? No is the answer. Does China have the right to decide what other countries should do? No is the answer.
It's just so that countries that think they have power also often think that there are certain things in other countries they want to influence, be it missiles in Cuba, or NATO in Ukraine, it's not fair that they exercise this influence, but there is not much we other little ones can do about that, when the big bullies want to bullie, they do so, no matter if it is fair/legal/acceptable or not.
@@K2teknik. NATO for Ukraine was and still is the best option to defend the country
Timothy Snyder has always been very insightful and eye-opening. His book Bloodlands is a must read for anyone interested in Eastern Europe and why the Ukrainias are fighting so bloody hard against Russia. They have truly, utterly and permanently broken up with Russia for very good reasons. Russia has no friends, it has only victims and partners in crime.
Timothy Snyder's books give a twisted version of history, mostly serving the political goals of U.S. neocons, and they have little to do with the truth. I bought one of his books and honestly wish I could get my money back. His videos are full of historical mistakes, and that’s probably why he disables comments. His students aren't really encouraged to criticize his lectures either. If you want to learn the real history of Russia and Ukraine, you should read the old Kievan Rus and Galician chronicles-I have a copy in my library. I’ve read them and highly recommend them to anyone. A simple fact, like the thousands of former Ukrainians now fighting on the Russian side, which Snyder completely ignores in his videos, says a lot.
Hy that analog, the US has no friends, just enemies and parties to exploit. Soooo how is the exploit of Ukraine going? Is it worth the 13 trillions???
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"Russia has no friends, it has only victims and partners in crime." Replacing Russia with "US" sums up the US brilliantly at this time...
His book is propaganda.
Thank you, Prof. Snyder.
Thank you Prof. Snyder !
A brilliant man with deep understanding of things
Yes if you are uneducated and uninformed
@@AcikaB congrats! You just earned 25 russian rubles for the comment. Keep on going so you'll got for a bottle of vodka by the end of the day
He's a moron with zero understanding of the subject in particular and geopolitics in general
@@TheAlopolo Thats a very intellectual comment. I appreciate the opinions of educated and informed people. Thank you.
Unfortunately they are unable to give me anything due to the hundreds sanctions imposed on Russian banks. liquor stores and other institutions.
@@AcikaB Well, have a pretend vodka. Here's your potato.
Ichkeria, Tatarstan, Bashkortastan, Udmurtia, Ingria, Tuva, Buriatia, Yakutia, and so on must be free. The West had never recognized The Baltic states as a part of russia, so these countries also must not be recognized as a part of russia and must be recongnized as occupied territory by moscow-terrorist state.
Greetings from Kazan, Tatarstan.
Why
First they have to leave Ukraine!!!!!!!
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Sure. All you have to do is convince Russian government that this is the right thing to do
The imperial practices of russia forcibly internally displacing, supplanting with muscovite language ( notably only about 60% similar to Ukrainian, Polish, Belarusian, which 3 show past similarity up to 90% and beyond with each other, pointing to being separate from the muscovian russian) and biased education, presently has fragmented the regions mentioned.
The human brain, evolved to be obligatorily social, extends its perception of group identity of identity to early-learned ingroup identity. Perceived loyalties, and identity is difficult to overcome and is causal in our common facultative betrayals, whenever emotions may induce some perception of better likelihood of social advancement.
Stalin and others outright murdered those who exhibited identity differing from muscovite -- see the immediate rounding up of Ukrainkan folkmusicians in the late 1920s, as well as the far longer persecution pf Ashkenazi Jewish population, and sl many smaller group identities, such as Crimean Tatar, to begin to understand only the active intentionally pursued atrocious formation and maintenance of empire.
So clearly articulated! Thank you, professor!
Yes, Clear and hopeless. Good war monger talk that suits the Arms Lobby Plan!
I agree with this assessment.
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Because you dont understand anything
@@KolyaUrtz because you are russian Kolya
Excellent wake up call Professor Snyder!!! Sincere compliments. Thank you 🇳🇱
Thank goodness someone who's not a politician stating the obvious.
Obvious? Obvious is that russia shouldnt accept nato fighting against russia when russia didnt attack nato. How do you not understand this?
It would be nice if SOME politicians could see and state the obvious.
@@KolyaUrtz That argument is as old and worn out as dirt. It didn't fly then, and it don't fly now, so give it up.
@@KolyaUrtz How do you not get that in a stable world, Countries can't take over other countries because they have more bombs and bodies?
@@incognitotorpedo42 I do get that...but that isn't what's happening in Ukraine. It's a multi decade brewing both ethnic(Rus and ukr) and geopolitical (Rus and the west) conflict where Russian reasons for attacking are so incredibly both unique and important that it doesn't exist anywhere else. If global Israels empire(America and Europe are vassals of Israel) didn't overthrow ukr government in 2014 and change it in to a anti Russian hostile state...none of this would have ever happened. How far is global banking system allowed to push and corner Russia before Russia retaliates?
Excellent!
Thank you for these videos
Great points! This is good to see people trying to explain the difference in how we view Russia to what it is REALLY like!
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦 love from the UK 🇬🇧
Why not explain how the Russian empire is different from the US empire? Also explained how Ukraine will survive as a US colony? Remember, the US got Cuba from the Spanish after the Spanish US War. How did that one end???
Questions answered: 1. The USA stopped invading its neighbors a long time ago. Russia didn't. 2. Ukraine isn't a US colony, never was. Ukraine is fighting not to be a Russian vassal state-thus for its own independence. Also as a historical note, I think Spain handed Cuba to the USA as it was about to lose against a rebellion there.
@@pplr1 US stopped invading its neighbours long time ago, cause they moved to invading countries all over the globe. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria - all recent examples.
On the second point, Ukraine does not own any of its land anymore - the US corporations do. Plus Ukraine is soo in depths to the US( no free help there) that their children and great great grand children will not be able to repay the debt to the US. This is the modern day colonial rule. Not through occupation but by financial slavery.
@pplr1 the US stopped invading its neighbors? What was the invasion of Panama then? And instead of invading it neighbour's nowdays it is invading countries around the globe... Syria and Afganustan anyone? Ukraine is whole owned and ginancialy supported by the US. How is it not a colony? Most of the land and industry was dold our by Zely the Clown to US corporations... And Spain just handing Cuba to the US? Are you serious? Why was there a war?? Nice try of revisionist history...
Wow! Clear and precise!
Thank you for your support and your hard work. 💙💛🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Why aren't people like him heard more often on the news etc, brilliant and well spoken. 👏
Mainly because he is speaking nonsense and we get enough of that from Blinken.
@@corallynnewman3536 Cope harder Ivan.
Wow. Just wow. I’ve never heard a more succinct assessment of this war. Slava 🇺🇦
I might misunderstand this point but it’s not imperial thinking, the reason why the US and NATO doesn’t target Russia with ballistic missiles is because NATO and the US is NOT at war with Russia and doing this would be categorised as an act of war. If the US wants to declare war, then a legitimate strategy would be to target Russian military assets. However, the big problem with this is Russian NUCLEAR deterrence.
It would be nice to see Snyder debate a person like John Mearsheimer
No, he is too dumb. He is a dishonest propagandist. You dont seem to be an educated person with a comment like that
Shit-For-Brains Mearsheimer doesn't hold a candle to Snyder LOL.
@@Mrpartycrascher Loner Box made a great video on the latter 🥰
He won't cos John wipe wipe the lavatory with him. John has been available to ALL from NY to Shanghai but Snyder is always nowhere to be seen. There's a reason.
@@Addission17 The reason is that no body buys Snyder
Thank you for the hearing, the streaming, and huge thanks to Prof. Snyder for his intellectual depth and moral clarity, and also eloquence. Fully subscribe to what he's said here. Deeply appreciated, from Kyiv, Ukraine.
Thank you, Prof. Snyder, for your brilliant thoughts.
Thank you for standing with Ukraine! 💙💛
U r totally rite
Ruzzia needs to get what it dishes out....
Such as?
US is hegemonic imperialist, Russia is a mere state, dont you recall 1990 and Gei Will 'Pax Americana?'
The Yale professor has just eloquently verbalised a conclusion regarding Russia, based upon his learning and personal experience. My own 'common sense' has been telling me for months that Ukraine should be given every assistance, and Russia must not be allowed to be victorious. Ukraine should be invited into the European Union, and at the same time given the opportunity to join NATO. Russia, with Putin as the leader, is very dangerous for the world order, and he needs to be contained. Compared to Russia, China is prowling tiger, dangerous, but will negotiate. China, above all, wishes to trade - upon its own terms ! That's a problem.
So EU should discard it's principles for Ukraine but not for Turkey for example.
@@KuopassaTv Both should be in if possible. Rules are for fools and the guidance of wise men. Douglas Bader I think.
china needs to negotiate coz its not autonomous as 99% of countries - russia is fully and its endlessly rich considering any war spendings, therefore any geopolitical question should be talked about 10000000000 over and over and over, but we live in a world that didnt appear yesterday - aka "u say russia invaded that but didnt you invade something before etc etc" thats why russia is actually the biggest threat to western economic wellbeing since it has the least things to lose arguing
@@wonqa What? China is "not autonomous"? Russia is "endlessly rich"? Dude, what are you smoking?
Wishful thinking 😅😅😅wars never to be predicted, tells us what to given, Ukraine cannot operate weapons that the US or Europe given without their personal and satellite to be operated,
One point when the US NATO invaded irag, Did Russia and China supply weapons to Irag to defend itself, and Ukraine was not part of NATO and committed troops in Irag
Ukraine don't you know the US and NATO invaded Irag illegally lying lying lying have you condemned the US
What's goes around comes around
This world was not built for the Western countries to controlled do what they want and nobody can't do the same you are out of touch with reality,
Your country is destroyed , even given all that you wanted you will not force Russia to come to the table stupid accessment
Once how many countries send money weapons, what's is the outcome nothing
Striking deep into Russia what do you think Russia sit and say let's talk peace, hope this guy is a military expert 😅😅😅 hope not 😅😅😅
The US don't wins war they created havoc and and ran way history shows
Peace chance you have at that time should have been taken but bojo bojo from UK send by the jankeys no,fight to the last Ukrainian, your backers don't have enough weapons to be given, Russia has demilitarised NATO and Ukraine, there's no wonder weapons again,if there's one it's will be knock out and other wonder weapon given
Thank you, professor, for telling officials the truth about Russia
Why didn't the Professor tell this in 2022 ?
Thank you, prof. Timothy!
Excellent speech.Concise and absolutely right ❤
This so true
Stop giving Ukraine U.S. money and weapons.
Well said!
And very late too! Why didn't he this big advice in 2022?
As allways absolutely brilliant speach, thank you Mr. Snyder ❤️🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇸🇺🇦❤️.
You invade a country, you don't get to dictate how the invaded country responds.
You do when you have nukes
This will be interesting when Viet Nam and Afghanistan decide to invade the invaders.
@@EduardO-gm7hx which america has
@@watupppl3 Russia is not at war with America though, they’re at war with Ukraine and Ukraine doesn’t have nukes.
@@EduardO-gm7hx well russia doesnt plan on using nukes on ukraine now does it? even after ukraine has been firing rockets into their territory, conducting targeted assassinations, droning oil and gas plants, and also now invading directly on russian soil forcing over 300,000 people to relocate.... it seems like its unclear what putins red line is, or would you say everything is going according to plan? why doenst russia step up the aggression? or dont tell me u think they are being ethical lol
The issue is not about Ukraine fighting on Russian soil, it's America firing American missiles from Ukraine into Russia.
Nice try bot
@@Stefus87 I can assure you, I'm not a bot.
So why is america firing american missiles from ukraine into russia an issue for you? You have family and friends in russia or something? Im confused
@@watupppl3 Because it would mean the US is at war with Russia, and therefore would have to get boots on the ground. The US (and 32 member states of NATO) have been waging their "Proxy war" and economic war against Russia for 3 years now, and have gotten absolutely nowhere. All those "wonder weapons" have not worked. That's why it's a bad idea. Here's a video you might also find interesting. th-cam.com/video/s2nqnM1C-mU/w-d-xo.html
Regards.
@@watupppl3 I did reply, but for some reason it appears to have been taken down. Basically, because at that point, it would mean the US are at war with Russia, and the Pentagon don't want any of that.
Thank you for posting. Very interesting.
Truth is plain and simple, Russia is kicking ass in Ukraine's eastern territory. The real truth is that NATO, the USA/EU is using the Ukranian territiory as it's personal battle ground with Ukranian lives on the field of battle. This guy Snyder is full of crap.
Prof. Snyder says at one point, "the idea that when you invade a country the entire war must take placce on the territory of the country you've invaded. No one has ever said that before."
While Professor Snyder is right, he is old enough to know better. The Korean war, the Vietnam war, the war in Afghanistan are all examples of where the US (or UN in case of Korea) constrained itself to fighting only in the country that was invaded. The US considered North and South Korea two parts of Korea. When China entered the war, the US would not take action in China to stop the flow of weapons and men. Now there is a stalemate - NO PEACE TREATY HAS EVER BEEN SIGNED between the two Koreas. Only a cease fire. While fighting in Vietnam the US bombed North Vietnam, and briefly made incursions into Cambodia and Laos - to fight North Vietnamese invaders there, they stayed out of North Vietnam. The US gave up there. In the Afghanistan war, most of the Taliban homeland is in Pakistan, which country's good will the US depended on to ship thousands of tons of supplies to Afghanistan, and so the US could never invade or even bomb those Taliban territories.
Very good points.
That's the point it's doesn't work when you trying to keep the war in one country hoping it doesn't spill out into a next. It just create a long war and even more bloodshed.
and thats why it fail let hide and built shreth is not good tactic
Wait a minute, youi're telling me that the Vietnamese invaded Vietnam? Vietnam was a crime against humanity and not a good example of a country acting purely in defensive self interest - - this is what Tim Snyder means by the US accepting implicitly the Moscow imperial narrative! It does so through normalising its past atrocities as well! It plays the game of big powers that can run smaller ones!
How can we break out of this viscious escalation between two world super power nations unable to tell the morality of why imperial domination of others is bad??!!!
Despite the very attractive hand movements much of what this man said was tosh.The USA is desperate to keep the war in Ukraine and so are the Europeans.
Best speech I heard in a loooong time on the war in Ukraine 🎉 Bravo!
Thank you Professor Timothy Snyder. Hope this makes more people think and see what's really going on and why.
So concise and so true. Thanks, professor!
Thank you professor- for everything you do to bring truth to the world about Ukraine
The first couple of minutes of this video are so very true! The history of russia was what I learned as a student in the 60's. Timothy Snyder has hit the nail squarely on the head with this assessment. Awesome video! Thank you.
What does that even mean? What are you suggesting? Russian history isnt real or something?
At the start of this war the Ukrainians had to school us in the West to stop referring to their country as "The Ukraine" - Russian appellation designed to diminish the country and its people to an insignificant sub-region of "Greater Russia"
That affirms that what you learned was bullshit, back to reading for you.
Great thoughts. Thank you, Prof. Synder
Spot on!🇬🇧
Perfect....❤❤❤
Perfectly said and understood! Thank you Sir.
Thanks for the valuable preview and I will watch the full video.
Thank you Timothy Snyder for your support for Ukraine and insight into the nature of the conflict.
It tickles me pink that Russia supporters thought Ukraine is obligated to keep the war within their own borders, and that the invaders' country should be free from consequences.
You think war is funny?
@@JohnDoe-lw2nmNot as funny as claiming to be against war, while cheering the aggressor. A fake pacifist, pretending to care about "sAVinG LiVeS."
And what are you going to say when Russia drops a nuke? Do you think USA would put up with being invaded? We didn't even want nukes 90 miles away from us.
@@tradeprosper5002 Because it would be okay for the US to resist an invasion, but God forbid Ukraine do the same, right? And please, stop with the "nukes, nukes" line. Every time your hero Putin gets humiliated, you always go back to that hopeless prayer. You just sound desperate 😅.
@@MrSlanderer I remember Cuba and Kennedy so your take on nuclear war does make me desperate at your ignorance. Russia confrontation could get easily elevated and Putin is not my hero. Ukraine is not a nuclear power and is paying the price for being a Western proxy.
Thank you, professor
Spot on as always!
this guy for some reason is not talking about US promise of not extending NATO one inch to the east( unless NATO extension of one inch to the east would be violation of the promise but extension of 3-4 thousand miles is not due to being bigger then one inch). he is not talking unilateral withdrawal of the US from nuclear arms reduction treaties, nothing to say about cue d'etat in 2014 engineered by the US government (Victoria Nuland) , Minsk agreements from 2015, 13.000 Ukrainians killed in Donbas by the cue government in Kiev for the crime of not wanting to recognize over throwing legally elected president in 2012 Victor Yanukovic. I do not know where they find this characters. If there goal is to get better informed about problems in Ukraine they should not be talking to propagandists.
Listen to this exceptionally wise man! What a rare joy to see a man who penetrates into the core of the matter…
A great example of the reality in the war against Ukraine!!!!!
why didnt he mention nato weapons?
@@KolyaUrtz Because they will only be used when NATO is attacked.
@@vincentmahon6423 they are currently being used by Ukrainians
Russia a superpower, don't make me laugh 😂😂😂😂😂
Omg yes! Thank you for calling out those hidden assumptions and biases.
Its not the Russian imperial thinking that worries me.. Its the US imperial thinking.
Russia was not losing in March 2022 and they negotiated. But then you- the US/UK in particular- thought you can win and continued the massacre. Also, Russia was not losing in 2014-2015 when they negotiated the Minsk Accords, a far better deal than today’s war, but again you- the West- used that as a ploy to “strengthen” Ukrainian Army - fact admitted by Poroshenko, Merkel, and Hollande. But now, you choose to forget all that and construct your argument in a way that it will support the decision to struck Russia with US missiles. These “professors” acting as influencers are the true criminals before this conflict. They twist logic and facts to make the point for their patrons.
Thank you Professor Snyder, very informative information
Now put the shoe on the other foot. Can any country negotiate with the US Empire, except from a position of strength? These experts are so elementary in their thinking it is painful to watch.
Absolutely! The arrogance of this thinking is unbelievable
Never fails, any video commenting on what is needed to deter Russian imperialism will have vatniks and useful idiots going on and on about "WELLL WHADDDAABOUTTTTT...?"
We all know this trick of rhetoric and it's obvious. Redirection does not absolve anyone
They try so hard to divert us from the real causes of the war and water it down to the assertion that Putin is evil and Russia is imperialist country.
Russia is a terrorist neostalinist mafia police state inhabited by a brainwashed autodestructive people and ruled by a billionaire KGB psycopath
In a year's time he'll be saying 'if only Trump had lost the election, Moscow would have been ours by now'... let him go, heck, give him a gun and boots - we can watch him triumphantly roll into the Red Square...
I think it is less about our having accepted Russian concepts of imperialism and more about concerns that if Russia's back is pressed too hard against the wall that they'll pop off some nukes. Which is something no one wants to see.
This has caused the U.S. to be overly cautious about what it supplies Ukraine and how it allows Ukraine to use what has been supplied. If there was no nuclear threat, I don't think those restrictions would have even been considered, let alone imposed.
Basically, the U.S. wants the Ukrainians to win, but not at the price of Russia opening the pandora's box of nuclear attacks, even small scale tactical nukes.
However, I don't think that Ukraine can be or should be held back by those concerns. They need to prosecute the war in the way that seems most likely to gain them success. And if that means using their own weaponry, that they've developed and produced themselves, in attacks against the Russian heartland, they should do that.
In fact, due to Russia's violation of the terms of the Budapest Memorandum, we have every right to manufacture nuclear weapons, especially when we are constantly threatened with them.
@@Anddriiyy Russia doesnt threaten you with nukes, stop fearmongering. All russia did is war that if YOU attack russia you will be nuked...which all nuke possesing nations do. How hard is this to understand???
pretty sure russia attacked coz of complete inability of Ukraine government to do its job, 40% of gdp for 10+ years was a gas tax, they got countless loans which were excused countless times and loans still arent paid to this day (ukraine refused to pay them before 2014) with the further utterly disrespectful breakage of any cooperation and going to the point of oppressing any type or russian nationality within the country + heavily going towards russian competition with all of the investments they gained from russia
The USA don't want the Ukraine to win. They said very explicitly that they want Ukraine to be "defended to the last Ukrainian man." Does that sound like the Ukraine winning?
They want to replace Putin, like they replaced Yeltsin. RAND suggested a number of possible ways to accomplish that, one of which is "a protracted war with the Ukraine." Of course it accomplished the opposite of what they wanted, as always.
This video is supposed to justify an escalation of the war into Russia. Russia has a history of using precedents set by NATO, so it is also an open invitation to Russia to nuke the USA.
Snyder has very good understanding of the region and its people coupled with great skill to explain and present these ideas with a respectful moral lense.
Professor Timothy Snyder is telling it exactly how it is.
as an eastern european myself, i concur. suffered through communism and soviet imperialism enough to not wish this upon future generations. russia has a delightful history and culture. within its borders. i prefer preserving my culture over one imposed upon me.
How ironic, since the west is just as aggressive at exporting its culture and values… 😂😂😂
You suffered? While playing World of Warcraft?
Outstanding!
Not so much...
If you keep telling me Russians are losing, Russians will believe they're losing, and be willing to negotiate?
Hilarious
Current US goverment actually want to win the election not Ukrainia winning the war. Both candidates are playing the same role. One to keep the rainbow progresivve power in place and the other to make bussiness again.
Europe and Ukrainia must understand that to create policy of no dependance in security from US.
It is not only his deep understanding of what really is going on, but also
his crystalline explanation of it that even a child can understand
I wish the Prof would be as eloquent in opposing "special military operations" carried by the West in places like Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. Otherwise, his staunch defence of Ukraine looks more and more like Russophobia. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Russia’s invasion in essence it's fundamentally no different from Western overreach in the Middle East or South East Asia unless you think only SMOs in Europe by a Big Power you dislike are unjustified.
Rather obvious difference I’m afraid. The ‘West’ never had the slightest intention to conquer, brutalise & absorb those countries you mention. Ill-judged as some of those ventures may have been, with sometimes dubious motives, they did non involve an intent, as is clear in Russia’s case in Ukraine, to deny those countries’ very existence.
@briansullivan5135 Over 3 million Vietnamese peasants died. Vietnam was bombed 3X as heavily as Nazi Germany. How many Vietnamese then could even point America on a map? Good intentions are not enough. Lots of evil is done around the world based on "good intentions". And you naively suggest the stated intentions of Western SMOs are the real intentions, when in fact they're just media spins to woo world public opinion. At least Russia is fighting a war across its border, and not 1000s of miles away from home, across vast oceans and against peoples whose languages they can't even understand. Russia is fighting a typical European war in Ukraine, while America has been fighting classic colonial wars against 'uncivilized tribes', with the best of intentions, of course.
@@briansullivan5135 Over 3 million peasants were killed in Indo-China alone. That's a heavy price to pay for Western "mistakes" and good intentions.
@@ncheedxx0109 The USA did not attempt to *annex* Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, nor any other country in living memory. The most recent major territorial expansion of the United States was in 1867 when the US purchased (not annexed!) Alaska. Russia, however, has ACTUALLY annexed parts of Georgia and Ukraine just in the past 2 decades, not to mention the illegal Russian occupation of Moldovan territory since the 1990's.
@paulwarren9927 So waging an illegal war costing millions of lives and against a 3rd world country that poses no threat to the West can be excused because the aggressor does not intend to annex any territory. That's twisted logic. Sorry, but Russia's SMO in Ukraine makes more sense to me than America bloody adventurism in SE Asia and the Middle East. The professor would have more cred if his sense of outrage over Ukraine extended to senseless wars waged by the West outside Europe. As it is, he sounds more like a Prof Dick Cheney.
bravo
for what? not understanding basic geopolitics?
@@KolyaUrtz Trolling for Russia won't work here.
@@tayler2396 trolling? im only one here actually giving arguments and counter arguments while anyone i tried to debate just insults me... by all definitions of trolling ur the one trolling since you arent actually trying to argue but are just looking to insult the other guy
@@KolyaUrtz Look, we all saw Russia amass its army and invade Ukraine with plans to destroy it. Previously, we saw how Russia stole Crimea. We know that Russia started the insurgency and contributed little-green-men troops into the Donbas. We know that Russia poisoned people in our countries, arguably an act of war on our soil. We saw Russia force down a RyanAir commercial jet and kidnap a Russian oppostion leader.
In short, we know what Putin's Russia is. You can play your games, try to muddy the waters, but it's not going to succeed, at least not on this forum.
Truth
how?
Timothy Snyder the great truth provider! 😀
Dudayev talked about this russian mindset. The problem is when Russia’s enemies believe the rhetoric…
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Colors of scum!
Brilliant!
Professor Snyder gets it
No he doesnt. I could ask him one question and his entire world view would crumble
"The Americans were wrong". Wow, what a profound statement.
Heh heh, I remember the media narrative at that time was that Russia's economy would consider in 6 weeks.
Now he is trying to cope by saying he expected Russia to crush Ukraine. If that was the initial exp expectation, then the west should be celebrating today instead of panicking.
Silly. We accepted the idea that Ukraine couldn’t attack Russia on its own soil because we took Russia's nuclear threats seriously. The U.S. feared that crossing this red line would provoke a nuclear response, not because attacking Russia was unimaginable, but because a nuclear power like Russia had never been attacked on its own territory before. Real fear dictated this restraint, not a lack of will or principle.
Absolutely spot on assessment
So what they're saying to US partners and allies around the world is, get nukes?
Nuclear non-proliferation has been a failure.
No. We accepted that term because its logical that its unjust for russia to fight nato when russia didnt attack nato...how hard is this to understand?
@@KolyaUrtz How hard is it to understand that supplying military aid to Ukraine is not the same thing as NATO fighting Russia?
Did the US fight the Vietcong in Vietnam, or did the US also fight the Soviets, Chinese, North Koreans, Cubans, and Khmer Rouge in Vietnam?
@@tayler2396 Everyone accepts that viet war was also a proxy war for ussr. No one ever said otherwise...and its completely different since that ussr help just defended vietnam and didnt attack the US mainland. Today nato fighting a proxy war in ukraine and indirectly attacking russia is just insane considering russia never touched nato or harmed it in any way. Its a one way war. Currently russia is justified nuking nato let alone if nato provides ukraine long range missiles and helps it destroy russian things deep in russia. Then especially.
Well said! I agree with his thesis. Historically, Kyiv was the first Ukrainian capital and approved by the Golden Horde. At that time Moscow was a small, rural village. Then there was a period where the Ukrainian Cossacks dominated. We should make Russia feel the war they started and make them support the 1994 agreement where they agreed to Ukraine's borders including Crimea.
Oh common- Novgorod, Ladoga, Rostov Veliky were great cities, or the only Russian words you know Vodka and Moscow?
@@dmitryletov8138 I do not pretend to be an expert on Eastern Europe. However Kyiv was founded around the 6th or 7th Centuries. Russia n the 12th Century. Rostov on Don in 18th Century. I was referring to the original Rus Capital. My point is that Ukraine was an independent kingdom 600 years before the Mongol invasion. The Russian Empire grew to become a major European power later in history.
I needed that explanation! ♥️🇺🇸🇺🇦 🫠
Thanks for this information.
Amazing! Thank you! 👍
This is all factual and true statements, but it still does not change the reality that Russia is on the right side of history and USA's obsession with war as a business has caused all these problems
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Nice try bot
What a load of bull they threw weapons into Ukraine within hours of the conflict. They showed aircraft coming and going into Ukraine delivery munitions live on the news
There are problem with taking a Ukrainian historical discourse, given how much of it is built on mythology and falsehoods. It saddens me deeply to see a professor of history to propagate false narratives. His logic rest on very tenuous assumptions that stem from his Russophobia, rather than unbiased judgement .
Extremely well said. I think another issue is that we are keeping Ukraine ahead just enough to feed the military- industrial complex and get them a 'W'.
Thank you for such a clear explanation!
FINALLY people are realising this!!!