The Vampiric Tutor font being slightly off will irk at first glance. The fact that the flavor text says "students,diuining" instead of "students, divining" makes me think the counterfeiters need someone to proofread better.
Just a vanilla creature? I was thinking a bronze tablet effect. "Exchange ownership of one floppy taco and one reserved list card target player controls"
I used to work as a cashier in a bank and I could tell fake notes instantly by touch. Every time except once when I was working in a shop and this dude bought in a fake £20 Scottish note where the paper was ‘spot on’! And because I hadn’t handled Scottish twenties very much, I couldn’t be 100% on the printing, but something felt off, but the paper was so good and was the hardest thing to fake, so I let it go. I did however get the security guard to note down the dudes car registration. After he’d gone I checked again and it was a good fake (next generation), but it was a fake. No UV stamp under black light. We went around the shops on the estate and he hit all of them too. All had been fooled! But we had the dude’s car reg. Were the banks or police interested? Not at all! It was impressive though. The one fake that got past me in all my years at the bank and in retail. And it was all to do with the feel of the paper.
I like how Rudy almost completely ignored the rosette concerns. The whole point is that the fake Exhibit A is using a two layer printing process, while the "r" in Exhibit B is the older fake where the type blends into the rosette. Sure, you can judge by texture when you've handled 1 million floppy tacos, but most of us rely on a multiple point authentication in order to get it right when dealing with expensive cards. If counterfeiters ever nail the card stock and find a way to pass the green dot test, confidence in vintage magic will collapse among non-unprofessional TH-camrs.
Thing is if they perfect the print, then they will move to perfect the feel and maybe even the paper. Still there is no point for them to try to perfect the feel, if printing still needs improvement. I imagine at some point they will have the capital to produce their paper and that is what is more scary.
With my surround headphones I physically felt the wind and whoosh of when Rudy swinged by my right ear when he threw the first letter to the table. Creepy!
Been sorting and sorting and found one of those and a couple others since your videos. So easy to see them. But maybe I don't know. I am mostly lost. I sorted ten thou cards into colors omg. Now I know they need to be in symbols. But after doing that. I found lists of the truth so starting over. Have sleeves now and pages and ya lost. Omg.
as someone who did offest printing, the halftones (correct term) not rosetta, all that shows you is if the registration is on or off. meaning the dots line up correctly to give you the right color tone. On a full printed sheet there are a set of blocks usually 5 to 6 blocks to use as reference of correct registration, also sometimes they are crosses inside circles which are used to line up the different printing plates....
Just like the guy who mailed the 3 cards in I use the rosettes as my major form of verification, plus light test is pretty dang good. I usually can tell fakes by texture way before getting to the inspect phase, but I wonder if the technology gets to a point where the texture is matched really well. PS how many counterfeiters are watching this and taking notes 🤔
Another detail on the Vampiric Tutor in particular, on the back of the card top left corner, there is now white spec/spot. If you look at any other mtg card back you will find the white spec/spot. 10:15
I once had someone come to my LGS with a binder full of mirrodin beseiged era non foil mythics and rares. All of them looked like this tone. The set symbols were how I noticed, luckily I told the judges before anyone traded with him. These fakes seem to have gotten a lot of people. He said that he inherited all of his cards from his uncle but I really doubt it, the dude was like 25 and this was back around m15 prerelease.
The magnification does tell a story, the one of how the cards were faked. It's just not the quality of the dots, it's the pattern and type. Exhibit 'A' is a standard CMYK ink jet printer. All dots are the same intensity, and the dot pattern is aligned with the print head across the page. At the bottom of the "r" you can also see color underprinting of the black ink, a common practice to increase black density in ink jets. Exhibit 'B' is an ink jet photo printer, as it has two different pigment intensities in C and M channels, and uses a stochastic "random" dithering pattern rarely used in offset. Exhibit 'C' is clearly offset press, as you can see the rotational difference between the M and Y screen mask, and variation of the ink flow through the mask. Not as quick as the feel test, but just as certain. If the counterfeiters ever get the card stock right, this sort of examination might be necessary.
It is a matter of time before they do get it right. I mean WotC card stock is made by people in a factory using processes that can be replicated. It is only a matter of time if the financial incentive is there. For now, the counterfeiters can get 90% of the profits by only working on the printing. If they ever need to focus on the card stock to make the money, good bye Irene.
His sample of Exhibit A looks as if the black type was printed first, then the 4 color background was printed, because the rosette pattern is overlapping the type. Whereas, Exhibit C it is obvious that the black type was printed along with everything else, as part of the 4 color as it should be. Four color being CMYK (Cyan Magenta Yellow Black) that is used to create the color art in typical printing. You could also use spot colors to print, which is ink that is already red, or green, or orange, etc. without having to combine the CMYK, but that is a much more expensive process, and not likely to be used for Magic, though it is used in some degree for other trading cards. Exhibit B is just a joke, and fairly obvious that someone scanned a printed card and tried to use that to print more.
its very hard for typical mtg finance people to avoid proxies because mtg finance people believe, as a rule, they should always be involved in these unbalanced value trades where they get more than they give, usually dealing with Timmies aka literal children who don't know better. this makes it very easy for a proxy vendor to just pretend to be ignorant of prices and values or pretend to be under 18 and all their stock gets bought out.
I think I've said it before. If someone tries to sell counterfeit cards, that person could be charged by law. It's similar for being caught selling stolen items. Stores have every right to withhold counterfeit items. HOWEVER! Destroying said items will hurt your case however as you have altered the evidence.
@@nubnub8202 looks like theres an empty sleeve ontop of the package which is what he accidentally hit with his off-camera hand causing the yellow paper packaging move
I disagree. You can play games with the cards. If you are buying the cards for money you will always lose. If you are buying them to have fun then it doesn't matter if they are fake.
@@whiskerbiscuit6674 fake cards cost almost nothing to buy and the case protectors are stupid expensive because of a supply issue right now, Rudy made a video on it a couple days ago, i think youd be supervised >_>
Tempest and a Computer This. It’s like people here have never bulk ordered proxies before. You aren’t stuck with one quality level and it ranges greatly. My friends and I don’t have rules against proxies so I order frequently
The advantage of looking at the printing pattern under magnification, is that it can be used to authenticate cards over the internet when the cards are not in hand and can't be personally inspected. Sometimes you need to know if a card is real before they ship it to you.
I wonder how many more years before the Chinese have completely nailed the production of current set cards. I believe it is only a matter of time. The Chinese have a great history and tradition of creating replicas. Its not shameful near as much as it is in the West. Anyways, it will be interesting to see what happens when they get them to the point where Ol' Greasy Hair can't tell by feel.
Plot twist,... just to make Rudy mad,... WoTC starts glossing all their cards and reprints everything from 1993 to date with glossy shiny plasticky materials as a cost cutting measure. You know cuz corporations are greedy.
Just making a joke but a hundred years from now will the fake exact cards obviously are much more scarce than the millions of real Prince and have some kind of intrinsic value
Tool tip: a caliper can measure the thickness of paper, and an accurate scale will, obviously, show weight differences. These two tools will show a visual confirmation for the camera as you explain the tactile differences that are difficult to capture on camera. Nice vids!
blightsteel wear is super sus because that kind of wear is almost unheard of on modern era cards, esp very rare ones. how may of these have actually been rescued from toddlers?
What I love about the fake cards for the kids is that they won’t care so long as they don’t try to sell them... maybe if these counterfeit cards had FAKE in big red letters on the back it wouldn’t be so bad?
No way, even my vintage four horseman cards that have literally been thrown around in parks, driveways and garages still don’t have wear like that! It’s all about true real old consistency in the wear & tear!
Magic copies is a bad scene then trust me the pokemon copies scene is fucking so bad that searching for pokemon lots on ebay will give you litterallt pages of fakes. Before you get near anything remotly legit.
Way I could easily tell Vampiric was fake was the kerning on "Instant" and the rest of the text being too wide and the uneven bolding on the text vs the flavor text. The Nether Void was also obvious due to how dark the printing was, which didn't happen for English Legends.
Didn't watch the video yet but from the thumbnail alone I can say I verify authenticity the exact same way as whomever printed those blown up microscope images of the rosettes. Quality methodology.
The text on that Vampiric Tutor is also way off, most noticeable around the word "divining". Take a look at the scryfall image of a classic 6th ed vampiric and compare to the one in the video, the text generally looks a little wrong but also there's no spacing between the comma and the word "divining" and also the card in the video has it spelled "diuining" lmao
The Vampiric Tutor font being slightly off will irk at first glance. The fact that the flavor text says "students,diuining" instead of "students, divining" makes me think the counterfeiters need someone to proofread better.
lol good catch.
I noticed that too. There being a glaring typo was an immediate red flag.
I think that’s intentional, it’s enough difference to make it not violate Chinese copy right law
@@patmacrotch5611 chinese copyright laws, huh?
Rudy, Killer of Hopes and Dreams
Legendary Creature - Human Taco
6/9
Just a vanilla creature? I was thinking a bronze tablet effect. "Exchange ownership of one floppy taco and one reserved list card target player controls"
@@unbanrofellos5786 I was thinking "Exile target Rudy t-shirt you control, then return it the battlefield under its owners control in size XXL."
giggity
I used to work as a cashier in a bank and I could tell fake notes instantly by touch. Every time except once when I was working in a shop and this dude bought in a fake £20 Scottish note where the paper was ‘spot on’! And because I hadn’t handled Scottish twenties very much, I couldn’t be 100% on the printing, but something felt off, but the paper was so good and was the hardest thing to fake, so I let it go.
I did however get the security guard to note down the dudes car registration.
After he’d gone I checked again and it was a good fake (next generation), but it was a fake. No UV stamp under black light.
We went around the shops on the estate and he hit all of them too. All had been fooled!
But we had the dude’s car reg.
Were the banks or police interested?
Not at all!
It was impressive though.
The one fake that got past me in all my years at the bank and in retail. And it was all to do with the feel of the paper.
I like how Rudy almost completely ignored the rosette concerns. The whole point is that the fake Exhibit A is using a two layer printing process, while the "r" in Exhibit B is the older fake where the type blends into the rosette. Sure, you can judge by texture when you've handled 1 million floppy tacos, but most of us rely on a multiple point authentication in order to get it right when dealing with expensive cards. If counterfeiters ever nail the card stock and find a way to pass the green dot test, confidence in vintage magic will collapse among non-unprofessional TH-camrs.
Thing is if they perfect the print, then they will move to perfect the feel and maybe even the paper. Still there is no point for them to try to perfect the feel, if printing still needs improvement.
I imagine at some point they will have the capital to produce their paper and that is what is more scary.
With my surround headphones I physically felt the wind and whoosh of when Rudy swinged by my right ear when he threw the first letter to the table. Creepy!
Yes! I love the hopes and dreams box.
It's the only place I can see my future!
Someday when Rudy gets big he'll be a professional youtuber
Now I'm obsessively checking my 6ED Vampiric Tutor
3:48 roughing up the edges on the cocaine lol
It’s the card stock stupid - Rudy 2020
Been sorting and sorting and found one of those and a couple others since your videos. So easy to see them. But maybe I don't know. I am mostly lost. I sorted ten thou cards into colors omg. Now I know they need to be in symbols. But after doing that. I found lists of the truth so starting over. Have sleeves now and pages and ya lost. Omg.
as someone who did offest printing, the halftones (correct term) not rosetta, all that shows you is if the registration is on or off. meaning the dots line up correctly to give you the right color tone. On a full printed sheet there are a set of blocks usually 5 to 6 blocks to use as reference of correct registration, also sometimes they are crosses inside circles which are used to line up the different printing plates....
Same methods for screen printing registration.
Learned something. Thank you!
If you're going to use the loupe as your standard, at least use it on the green circle on the back. I've yet to see any counterfeits pass that test
Just like the guy who mailed the 3 cards in I use the rosettes as my major form of verification, plus light test is pretty dang good. I usually can tell fakes by texture way before getting to the inspect phase, but I wonder if the technology gets to a point where the texture is matched really well.
PS how many counterfeiters are watching this and taking notes 🤔
I am writing it all down on a soft shell taco.
We're all going to be in trouble if they start using matte-finish paper for fake cards😲
Grown_man_studies_cardboard.mp4
"Makes thousands buying and selling cardstock!"
If i didnt see it come from a sealed booster pack i already question it- thats why i only play with the cards and never buy them for value.
Another detail on the Vampiric Tutor in particular, on the back of the card top left corner, there is now white spec/spot. If you look at any other mtg card back you will find the white spec/spot. 10:15
I once had someone come to my LGS with a binder full of mirrodin beseiged era non foil mythics and rares. All of them looked like this tone. The set symbols were how I noticed, luckily I told the judges before anyone traded with him. These fakes seem to have gotten a lot of people. He said that he inherited all of his cards from his uncle but I really doubt it, the dude was like 25 and this was back around m15 prerelease.
also you should have basement troll t shirts... would be amazing
Hi Rudy, in your hopes and dreams box I saw and Italian Volcanic Island.. Can I have more info about it and what makes it fake?
Every time I watch a Hopes and Dreams video I hope check on my hopes and dreams in their slabs just to double check man. Rudy scaring me.
The magnification does tell a story, the one of how the cards were faked. It's just not the quality of the dots, it's the pattern and type. Exhibit 'A' is a standard CMYK ink jet printer. All dots are the same intensity, and the dot pattern is aligned with the print head across the page. At the bottom of the "r" you can also see color underprinting of the black ink, a common practice to increase black density in ink jets. Exhibit 'B' is an ink jet photo printer, as it has two different pigment intensities in C and M channels, and uses a stochastic "random" dithering pattern rarely used in offset. Exhibit 'C' is clearly offset press, as you can see the rotational difference between the M and Y screen mask, and variation of the ink flow through the mask. Not as quick as the feel test, but just as certain. If the counterfeiters ever get the card stock right, this sort of examination might be necessary.
when did they start fakemasterpieces/ expeditions never seen those before
Early 2018
A while ago
‘Again, I’m not a professionel youtuber’ 😂
Great video.
All hope is lost !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those rubbery Pokemon cards are probably water resistant. Upgrade!!
Can anybody explain to me why the counterfeiters can get very close with everything except the card stock?
because WotC uses a proprietary cardstock made only for them. Nobody else is allowed to use it and the reciepe is unknown to most.
It is a matter of time before they do get it right. I mean WotC card stock is made by people in a factory using processes that can be replicated. It is only a matter of time if the financial incentive is there. For now, the counterfeiters can get 90% of the profits by only working on the printing. If they ever need to focus on the card stock to make the money, good bye Irene.
His sample of Exhibit A looks as if the black type was printed first, then the 4 color background was printed, because the rosette pattern is overlapping the type. Whereas, Exhibit C it is obvious that the black type was printed along with everything else, as part of the 4 color as it should be. Four color being CMYK (Cyan Magenta Yellow Black) that is used to create the color art in typical printing. You could also use spot colors to print, which is ink that is already red, or green, or orange, etc. without having to combine the CMYK, but that is a much more expensive process, and not likely to be used for Magic, though it is used in some degree for other trading cards. Exhibit B is just a joke, and fairly obvious that someone scanned a printed card and tried to use that to print more.
I need a fake power nine. So I can glue them to a white A4 and put them in a frame XD
I pulled a blightsteel out of a pack, oooh shes minty
anyone have a link to the video about the failed graded card?
I like how you slam down the cards in the beginning lol
its very hard for typical mtg finance people to avoid proxies because mtg finance people believe, as a rule, they should always be involved in these unbalanced value trades where they get more than they give, usually dealing with Timmies aka literal children who don't know better. this makes it very easy for a proxy vendor to just pretend to be ignorant of prices and values or pretend to be under 18 and all their stock gets bought out.
That got more gloss than Rudy's hair after 3 weeks of no showers !
Patinis
Hopes and Dreams sounds like a place for all my ex-girlfriends 😢😢😢😢😢
Sounds like you had a lot Of ex girlfriend 🥳
The pokemons are too obvious LoL
I think I've said it before. If someone tries to sell counterfeit cards, that person could be charged by law. It's similar for being caught selling stolen items. Stores have every right to withhold counterfeit items. HOWEVER! Destroying said items will hurt your case however as you have altered the evidence.
Literally the second you threw down those pokemon cards I know they were fake. Pokemon has never used that type of vertical foil.
I cant get enough of the fake card checks. Btw the modern fakes got really good in 2023.
Hose. Me. Da. Dee.
Wake up and smell the cards! You can smell genuine cards and fake cards and tell the difference
Those Pokemon cards were so blatant and obviously fake the second you held them up. Yikes.
Fake and Green =3
Imagine if those cardare actually not fakes and Rudy just made a mistake
"Mistake"
Are you selling that fake gluten free uggy?
1
i swear i see a ghost just touch and move the top right package at 10:12. seriously creepy lookin
Probably just his off camera hand touching the side lol.
@@paullwrightt unless that hand is invisible, I'm not sure about that conclusion.
@@nubnub8202 looks like theres an empty sleeve ontop of the package which is what he accidentally hit with his off-camera hand causing the yellow paper packaging move
The protectors are worth more than the fake cards in them
I disagree. You can play games with the cards. If you are buying the cards for money you will always lose. If you are buying them to have fun then it doesn't matter if they are fake.
@@whiskerbiscuit6674 fake cards cost almost nothing to buy and the case protectors are stupid expensive because of a supply issue right now, Rudy made a video on it a couple days ago, i think youd be supervised >_>
Whisker Biscuit you got to love paying 80+ dollars for a product you didn’t ask for 🤗
@@shadowrundas The high quality proxies of cards run around $3. Aint that much, but i reckon its still more than the top loader
Tempest and a Computer This. It’s like people here have never bulk ordered proxies before. You aren’t stuck with one quality level and it ranges greatly. My friends and I don’t have rules against proxies so I order frequently
When is Rudy going to judge counterfeit tacos vs real taco bell tacos?
This is the real question
The real question is when will he compare Taco Bell tacos vs real Mexican tacos
@@enxel493 This. The Taco Bell tacos are the counterfeit tacos.
It doesn't have the correct "patina" of age. That would be an accurate word.
Is rudys light house in the hopes and dreams box
No.
Nopes and Dreams
The advantage of looking at the printing pattern under magnification, is that it can be used to authenticate cards over the internet when the cards are not in hand and can't be personally inspected.
Sometimes you need to know if a card is real before they ship it to you.
Rudy when I grow up I wanna be just like you... Minus the Stupid Hair Cut & Fake Beard...
Just have the floppy taco's, smell cards obsessively and a great sense of humor.
I wonder how many more years before the Chinese have completely nailed the production of current set cards. I believe it is only a matter of time. The Chinese have a great history and tradition of creating replicas. Its not shameful near as much as it is in the West. Anyways, it will be interesting to see what happens when they get them to the point where Ol' Greasy Hair can't tell by feel.
All my hopes, all my dreams, carried away in that luxurious stylish cardboard coffin. The bootleg afterlife in Rudy's basement!
Plot twist,... just to make Rudy mad,... WoTC starts glossing all their cards and reprints everything from 1993 to date with glossy shiny plasticky materials as a cost cutting measure.
You know cuz corporations are greedy.
2001, fml those were the times! All modern cards look and feel plasticky to me, low quality of print and inks...
The smell of pack fresh newer cards is disgusting.
Just making a joke but a hundred years from now will the fake exact cards obviously are much more scarce than the millions of real Prince and have some kind of intrinsic value
How long till secret lair fakes
God, Pokemon fakes are still so bad.
Hose me all over my face and chest
Have we all been watching some of the awesome baby beaver and chipmunk videos?
"I still go by instinct..."
Hey I got this Gem Mint ready to be graded Alpha Black Lotu-
"...FAKE!!!!!"
Can’t feel a card from pictures
Tool tip: a caliper can measure the thickness of paper, and an accurate scale will, obviously, show weight differences. These two tools will show a visual confirmation for the camera as you explain the tactile differences that are difficult to capture on camera. Nice vids!
blightsteel wear is super sus because that kind of wear is almost unheard of on modern era cards, esp very rare ones. how may of these have actually been rescued from toddlers?
Anyone else think Rudy sounds like the t-Rex from Toy Story when he gets excited?
I opened Blightsteel in my first ever pack.. It's a shame I didn't know what sleeves were for 5 years
What I love about the fake cards for the kids is that they won’t care so long as they don’t try to sell them... maybe if these counterfeit cards had FAKE in big red letters on the back it wouldn’t be so bad?
No way, even my vintage four horseman cards that have literally been thrown around in parks, driveways and garages still don’t have wear like that! It’s all about true real old consistency in the wear & tear!
Another great video. I'm new to MTG and there is always something to learn. Thanks man!!
Wow!!! That Black Lotus really does look like a Basement Troll.
What about the light test? I have used that as my go to.
What do you think of it?
I find modern magic cards feel fake in general.
Man that hurts .. so sorry for the person who bought this .
When your wifi doesn't like you - is it because your 2.4 and 5 ghz are the same name but somehow you put different passwords in on accident?
Magic copies is a bad scene then trust me the pokemon copies scene is fucking so bad that searching for pokemon lots on ebay will give you litterallt pages of fakes.
Before you get near anything remotly legit.
Why did this come up in my feed on the day after the 30th anniversary info comes out? Coincidence? Hmmm.
That's why I buy my proxies from reputable sources lol
Won't you take me to... Hose town ! Won't you take me to... hose toooown.
Some sick bastard rebacked Ikoria promos with the back of pokemon cards!
Why are counterfeiters so bad at card stock? Is there an understood reason?
Are the modern cards harder or easier to fake than the old ones? i would assume harder?
Petina is the word you're looking for Rudy
Touched my magic cards through the fence
Fooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolks
(👎👎👍👍👍 ÷ 2 x 3.14159)🌮 ÷ 2 = MTG
It's baffling that even after a year Pokemon card counterfeiters haven't got the font right.
legend, canadian first
I thought you said Hoax and Dreams ':D
Cmon Rudini, dont spoil the video in the your titles!
Way I could easily tell Vampiric was fake was the kerning on "Instant" and the rest of the text being too wide and the uneven bolding on the text vs the flavor text. The Nether Void was also obvious due to how dark the printing was, which didn't happen for English Legends.
Didn't watch the video yet but from the thumbnail alone I can say I verify authenticity the exact same way as whomever printed those blown up microscope images of the rosettes.
Quality methodology.
The text on that Vampiric Tutor is also way off, most noticeable around the word "divining". Take a look at the scryfall image of a classic 6th ed vampiric and compare to the one in the video, the text generally looks a little wrong but also there's no spacing between the comma and the word "divining" and also the card in the video has it spelled "diuining" lmao
"...Paying in cryptos, gettin kids hosed...' would the real rudy shady please stand up, please stand up!!