Massacre of Moca 1805/ Who were the real victims?

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  • @michaelruiz3104
    @michaelruiz3104 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    So basically everyone regardless of race or color were victims to this massacre. And it would make sense because given the type of person Dessalines was, known for his brutality and spared no one regardless of age or gender, I'd doubt that him and his troops, along with Christophe when they looked at the Black people they just said, "Nah, they're black so don't kill them."

    • @HispaniolaHistoryChannel
      @HispaniolaHistoryChannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Indeed, toussaint himself killed other blacks while defending the property of white people, a very complicated and misleading "black revolution" at the least.

    • @michaelruiz3104
      @michaelruiz3104 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HispaniolaHistoryChannel And it's important that this information is spreading because too many people spread this misconception that only white and mulattoes were killed. And yes it's true that more so of the white and mulatto population were killed because Dessalines and Christophe retreated through the Cibao, where more of them resided. Not to mention that Dessalines was known for bearing a strong hatred towards whites and mulattoes. But the part that gets left out when referring to this massacre is how Dessalines eventually stretched his order for those to be put to the sword to basically anyone regardless of color. Even those who possessed the same degree of African ancestry as Dessalines. Being black, in Dessalines eyes, didn't save you.

    • @beatrice123ful
      @beatrice123ful 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lies Dessalines was not killing all whites. We have polish Haitians desaline give them citizenship

    • @sergeantwilliepete2252
      @sergeantwilliepete2252 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No - it was anyone who sided with the Europeans.

    • @abrahamisaacmuciusiii9192
      @abrahamisaacmuciusiii9192 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Jean-Jacques Dessalines got the last laugh. I say that because, the nephew of Dessalines emigrated from Saint Domingue to Captaincy General of Santo Domingo. From 1795 to 1809, Santo Domingo was ceded to France and many colonists left Saint Domingue to Santo Domingo to find refuge from the Haitian Revolution. The nephew of Jean-Jacques Dessalines (a Black man) who was named Bernard Chevalier and his wife Louise Moreau emigrated to Captaincy General of Santo Domingo during what is now called " Era de Francia ". Both Bernard and Louise were Mulattos of French European and Afro Haitian descent. Bernard's mother was the sister of Jean-Jacques Dessalines. Her names Marie-Noelle Dessalines. The child of Bernard Chevalier and Louise Moreau was named Eleonore Juliette Chevalier Moreau. Eleonore Chevalier went on to have three children by three different men. Her child was a boy named Leonidas Saladin Chevalier. His father was Parfait Silvestre Saladin Coustard, a Haitian soldier who came to the Dominican Republic during the 1822 to 1822-1844 Haitian occupation. He too came from the prestigious background as Eleonore. Her second child was a girl who was named Luisa Ercina Chevalier. Luisa Ercina's father was Justin Alexis Victor Turenne Carrie Blaise. Justin Carrié, a Quadroon was born in Santo Domingo to Haitian Mulatto father and a White French mother. Luisa was the maternal grandmother of General Rafael L. Trujillo y Molina. Eleonore's third child was a boy named Stanislas Chevalier. The father of Stanislas was a Mulatto Haitian named Mr. Poirier.

  • @dr_1758
    @dr_1758 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Just checking in on you bro. Hope is all well 🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴

    • @HispaniolaHistoryChannel
      @HispaniolaHistoryChannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for sending your concerns hermano, it's much appreciated. My intentions is to return soon, my recent research has uncovered amazing information about our beloved island, just needed time to process and tune out all the noise. Again, thanks for checking in, I truly appreciate those that have supported this platform.

    • @dr_1758
      @dr_1758 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@HispaniolaHistoryChannel You're work is appreciated hermano!!

  • @jpimentel201
    @jpimentel201 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Good video, I must add that there were many towns including mine "Baní" that those troops burned down to the ground sacked and committed atrocities in on their way to Moca. Baní for example had to rebuild the town because of it. Alot of this info rarely gets mentioned.

  • @renatac8829
    @renatac8829 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you so much for this content when they’re trying so hard to disappear Dominicans culture and sense of patriotism is when is needed the most the newer generations are being brainwashed totally!! 🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴

  • @milianoelrey3636
    @milianoelrey3636 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Dios te bendiga Hermano Dios Patria y Libertad Duarte is proud of u❤️🇩🇴

    • @guyjourdan3578
      @guyjourdan3578 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Trujillo did worst than that

    • @milianoelrey3636
      @milianoelrey3636 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@guyjourdan3578 Karmas a bitch ain’t it🖕🏽

    • @zeroexponent675
      @zeroexponent675 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@guyjourdan3578 yeah, i remember trujillo trying to take whole haiti and killing haitians there (sarcasm)

  • @HispaniolaHistoryChannel
    @HispaniolaHistoryChannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Who were the real victims of this genocide?

    • @coachevy2851
      @coachevy2851 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Dominicans

    • @jodh-cx1zd
      @jodh-cx1zd ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Dominican people

    • @roctv100
      @roctv100 ปีที่แล้ว

      Domincan Republic did not exist yet. Spanish Haiti had mulatto, blacks, and white Spainards.

  • @MrRebel165
    @MrRebel165 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video brother. This was more a genocide... in that time 90 % of the population was either mixed ( mulatto) also called criollos (born in the island) the Spanish side of the island had a lot of free slaves, including Anna Madgigine Jai Kingsley who everyone should read about. Great video!! I would love for you to speak on Anna Madgigine Jai Kingsley... Her story will blow your mind!!!

    • @HispaniolaHistoryChannel
      @HispaniolaHistoryChannel  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the feedback, I have to look into those names you mentioned, sounds interesting

    • @abrahamisaacmuciusiii9192
      @abrahamisaacmuciusiii9192 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Anna Madgigine Jai Kingsley was a West African woman from Senegal and she specifically came from the Wolof tribe. After being enslaved in West Africa and delivered to the Spanish colony of Florida she was emancipated by Zephaniah Kingsley, an English European man who was her master and father of her four children.

    • @MrRebel165
      @MrRebel165 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@abrahamisaacmuciusiii9192 yes, I'm surprised her story hasn't been made a movie. She is a real life hero. After Spain sold Florida to the US, all the emancipated slaves would automatically become slaves once again, including her even tho she at the time owned the largest number of slaves in Florida. She saved the lives of many of her slaves as her plantation was being attack and burned to the ground, and she was able to make a run to Puerto plata. One of her daughters married a direct descendants of mine in the 1800s.

    • @SeekThePaleSeptember
      @SeekThePaleSeptember 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrRebel165To quote the rogue scholar Cardi B: “Like huh?! Like What?! Like, Huh, like what, like huh?!”
      So she was emancipated under spain… But she herself had the largest number of slaves under Spanish owned Florida… But when the Spanish sold Florida to The U.S. all the emancipated former slaves, and the emancipated former slaves still kept as slaves under this woman all became slaves again? And she is a hero because before losing all of her emancipated slaves that were her slaves, she helped them escape? Probably as a middle finger to The White United Statestian as if to say, if I cant keep my emancipated slaves, than neither can you!!
      Jesus Christ!! Just when you think you understand our shared history you uncover ever more complications that cement you’ve just scratched the surface!

  • @stanleydouge2803
    @stanleydouge2803 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dessalines was a product of slavery everything he experienced formed his brutality but he freed us Haitians may our God Granmèt Olohoum Bondye forgive him of his faults and sins and may his soul continue to rest in vilokan Ginen

    • @JayOverCameHell
      @JayOverCameHell 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All that paganism is a lie from Lucifer.. there is only heaven & hell when you die

  • @mixtapemania6769
    @mixtapemania6769 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Good video 💯. Only thing about that holocaust label is it might make people think Dessalines killed them for having distant jewish ancestry. It was more out of a hatred of the residents of Santo Domingo in general after having failed to drive out Jean Louis, with the spanish leaders of santo Domingo coming to his aid.

    • @HispaniolaHistoryChannel
      @HispaniolaHistoryChannel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the feedback, Indeed, the "Holocaust" label for the video has less to with Jewish ancestry of the victims and more to do with the use of fire to kill and drive out the victims...the literal definition of "Holocaust" is a "burnt offering" or sacrifice by fire, but I for sure have to do a follow up to this video, the topic is to vast to cover in a few minutes

  • @Jesus-he7gi
    @Jesus-he7gi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hope everything is well with you
    hope you haven't stopped
    God Bless

    • @HispaniolaHistoryChannel
      @HispaniolaHistoryChannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Indeed hermano, thanks for the wellness check, God willing, the channel will return soon to continue the work, gracias

  • @coachevy2851
    @coachevy2851 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👏👏👏

  • @coachevy2851
    @coachevy2851 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video came in handy

  • @MBilly
    @MBilly 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    💚🔥🔥🔥🔥 🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴

    • @machovalkarie7896
      @machovalkarie7896 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As a hatian, I would like to apologize for the moca massacare

  • @welingtontorres4560
    @welingtontorres4560 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hello there Dominicans by then we where not that mix like we are now a days , back then the prominent people on dominican side was ESPAÑOLES FROM SPAIN , BLACKS , AND MIX AS MINORITY.

    • @MrRebel165
      @MrRebel165 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yo are incorrect, by that time the island was 90% mixed with most of the Spanish nationals only being there for political positions. The Spanish had basically left the island which is why the Haitians where able to do what they did. Remember mixing had been going on since 1492 as soon as the island was "invaded" killing most of the Taino population but also fathering lots of babies with Taino women who where slaves. Form the 1500s to 1800s is alot of time to mix and procreate mixed babies .. specially since Spain allowed for slaves to bee freed and live as free after earnings their freedom.

    • @jacintoarzu1939
      @jacintoarzu1939 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ⁠​⁠@@MrRebel165that’s false the island was not as mixed as it is in 1804

    • @MrRebel165
      @MrRebel165 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jacintoarzu1939 sure... My 8th time removed grandfather arrived from France in 1810... I have my whole family tree since that moment. We still have an American slaves in Samaná... We have American last names all over the island " cocolos" and the island had almost a 40% population of none Europeans. By that time Spain and France had left the island abandoned. Hence why england and the Dutch attacked the island in various instances in this time.

  • @djnon-refundablefee9245
    @djnon-refundablefee9245 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You made an entire video, you do know theres no official report of Moca right? Also no dominicans before 1844 dont forget that.

    • @HispaniolaHistoryChannel
      @HispaniolaHistoryChannel  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@djnon-refundablefee9245 that's your perspective, the reports came from several newspapers, eye witnesses accounts, even studied and confirmed by Haitian scholars. Secondly, what do you think the root word of "Dominican" is? The island was once known as Santo Domingo, the ones under French were called "San Domingues", so what the Spanish would be called? You do know there were people on the island who settled, built churches, schools, forts, etc...before the French and their slaves arrived right?. I went light on this video but folks with your mindset won't rest until I bring out all the receipts and spill all the beans... don't temp me I've been chilling thus far

    • @djnon-refundablefee9245
      @djnon-refundablefee9245 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HispaniolaHistoryChannel Your issue is you live in the realm of speculation like Moca like I said no official report on it regardless if whom it was studied by anthropologists historians, Herodotus himself can not account for moca,to add 1805 moca happened DR wasnt established till 1844 if we are going to say in the realm of facts we can agree no dominicans were kxlled prior to 1844. Folks with my mindset love facts you cant just stick to facts when it fits your narrative. NO DR PRIOR TO 1844 like no Haiti prior to 1804. If you want facts go all out not just some. “The island was once known as Santo Domingo” ( There were many names for that island. )< Really this is why your channel is failing because of your knowledge pertaining to this topic is limited and bias to what you think, If you have a personal opinion thats fine but stay in the box of your mind no one can tell you how to think and what to think.

    • @JayOverCameHell
      @JayOverCameHell 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Absolutely not true … Dominicans existed way before 1844 as they are literally a mixed race people of African,Taino, & Spanish descent which had been mixing for at least 200 years before 1844… How could some people be so Stooopid 🤣😭

    • @Cucurú-c9v
      @Cucurú-c9v หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why? It's because they're Marxists spreading discord, lies and haters to our Quisqueyan populace because they lost in America. They get a foothold in Quisqueya, every type of crime, hatred, and immorality will plague Quisqueya. Then they'll be crying for a leader like Trujillo. And they lost Big in America. Americans finally see them as the Marxists the left is. Democrats need to boot them out of their party.

  • @roctv100
    @roctv100 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think you should put the reason why the hatian leader Dessaline decided to attack , why did they go after french general Jean Louis , how was the nature of warfare between the French and Hatain at the time play into what happend? You're missing alot of context

    • @HispaniolaHistoryChannel
      @HispaniolaHistoryChannel  ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Sounds like you are downplaying the fact that Dominicans were the victims of these attacks, tortured and enslaved. It was an overkill and unnecessary. Those Haitian attempts to conquer the entire island continue after Dominican Independence and is still the mindset of many Haitian nationals today...and that's a problem for Dominican sovernty

    • @jacintoarzu1939
      @jacintoarzu1939 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ⁠@@HispaniolaHistoryChannelDominicans got the name in 1844 so “Dominicans “ did not exist at the majority of that island were Spaniard and did contribute to slavery and for some reason Dominican history is always apologists history as if the island didn’t have slaves and they seen slave owners as amigos

    • @HispaniolaHistoryChannel
      @HispaniolaHistoryChannel  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@jacintoarzu1939 false, the term "Dominican" existed before Haiti, and even the Spanish empire...the Dominican order who founded Santo Domingo in 1496...it was first applied to the Spanish speaking chirstians of santo Domingo as early as 1625... before the French and their slaves entered the island

    • @EndingVisions
      @EndingVisions 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@jacintoarzu1939false we existed under the rule of Spain since 1492 called the Spanish Captaincy of Santo Domingo

    • @S3TheDon
      @S3TheDon 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@HispaniolaHistoryChannelthank you for preaching the real history. People don’t wanna admit that Haitians killed many Dominicans and it was never always Dominicans having a “hate” towards Haitians just because of color